NY 213 - Game Over!

[Almost50]

Obligatory pre-game post. Didn't even check the players list yet.

[Almost50]

Will get to this in between the WC games

[Almost50]

Preliminary readlist:

5. Pine+ (Leaning Town. the way he typed "/confirm" had a townie vibe to it)
1. Dunnstral+ (Null. His 6 looked town to my left eye but it looked scum to the right eye)
24. Scioness Sajj+ (Leaning Scum. "hi" and not "/confirm" sounds like buddying to me)
22. TheRampage+ (Null. His entrance lacked enthusiasm, and I attribute enthusiasm, to being town OR scum)
18. Texcat+ (Scum. I'd hate to break an old habit, and SRing tex is one of my oldest habits)
16. Osuka+ (Leaning town. Claiming Scum as scum is too bold a move for him)
14. Lovebird+ (Unless she received a Scum role I think this is Town!her)
20. Charles510+ (Scum. "I'm Chrales" sounds like IIoA. It also adds nothing new to what we already know about him)
25. Flavor Leaf+ (Town until proven otherwise. The last time I played him he was a Town PR, claimed it and got lynched anyway!!)
15. JarJarDrinks+ (Scum. I have no reason to SR him, but it's always nice to bug him. P.S. He's a nice guy)
21. Wavemode+ (Leaning Scum. I tried to plug in my mobile charger to that avatar and it didn't work properly)
4. Fumuki+ (leaning Scum. If it's "not that confuisng" to him then he must be scum with either Osuka or Ausuka)
7. Kublai Khan+ (Leaning Town. I've had so many Scum leans/reads and I'm not even halfway through. I need some town reads lest I get called out on faking a read list this early)
2. Srceenplay+ *SCUMMMMM! Now who's gonna read a wall post on page 2??)
23. Myloninja13+ (Scum. Hasn't claimed scum yet, and claiming scum is his town signature)
11. Ausuka+ (Town. I know I already TL Osuka too and have accused Fumuki if being scum with either, but they say "inconsistency is a town trait" so this makes me lock!town I guess)
9. Hopkirk+ (SCUM (serious read). 38 is all kinds of fake. I guess I found my tunnel target for the day)

VOTE: Hopkirk

Also hi, p. I mean... not p.

10. Edosurist+ (MU user detected. 'nough said)
13. EspeciallyTheLies+ (Scum because I want them to be. I already saw your town game so I wanna see your scum game. Unless you tell me your main you'll be my D2 tunnel target after I lynch Hopkirk today. I'll even fake a guilty on you because I can't be wrong)
12. Lalendra+ (Town. Reminder: Mathdino's not scum either)
8. WhemeStar+ (Town. Forgetting about the game = VT claim)
17. Andriod18+ (Scum. Forgetting to post "here" = already posting in the Scum PT)
19. ArcAngel9+* (Town. Didn't post on pre-game. Another VT claim)
6. Creature+* (Conf!Scum. Didn't post yet. What more evidence do you need??)
3. Almost50+ (Leaning Town. Too scummy to be scum and all, but I've never really got a 100% read on him ever!)

And finally,

Ircher is 100% scum

. 22 is a lie because I am a WW SK myself, so he's leading the Town off a cliff. (Whoops! Did I just scum slip??)

Not Known 15 must be Town iirc. I don't think the riles allow 2 scum mods (unless they're of different factions, maybe?)

@texcat: Thank you for pointing out the Ausuka/Osuka thing. I didn't catch that at first glance. You're still scum though because.. well.. what fun will we ever have if we TR'd each other for once?? That would SUCK! Right? RIGHT!

[Almost50]

So, my revised scum team is Creature+Android+Fumuki+Hopkirk+Mylo

Game solved!!

[Almost50]

CHILLAX! Now half the town thinks I'm too scummy to be scum, and the other half thinks I'm a troll worthy of a PL. Either way, I get flipped and they won't ever guess I named the whole of my scum team for real, so even if one of you flips the others get TR'd for it.

[Almost50]

VOTE: Creature

Solely based on his inactivity. New policy, lynch all inactives

Not 100% for the rule (and not against it either), but the one thing I know is inactive Creature - Scum Creature. My vote is on him in spirit, but I don't think we need to build a wagon there yet (we still have plenty of time on the day, unless we're afraid of scum PR hunting already)

[Almost50]

almost that might be the shittiest attempt at a game starting post I’ve ever seen, I’m sorry

it’s like you’re trying to grasp at straws when, actually, there are no straws

So you disagree with my TR on you?? GOOD. Replace yourself with one of my proposed scumsters.

[Almost50]

hot take: this is the real scumteam, and almost50 is their traitor.

Oh shit! You read through me. WAIT! I'm NOT the traitor though. If I was the traitor, naming my whole team would be throwing the game away. I'm a genuine member of that team, so by naming them you'd think they're clear cuz I can't be that dumb. Well guess what?

I AM

.

[Almost50]

This was mentioned in the queue thread, but I shall mention it again here to ensure that everyone is aware and so that everyone can find this information easily.

This game is confirmed to contain solely town-aligned players and mafia-aligned players. In other words, there are no Werewolves, there are no Serial Killers, and there are no second Mafia groups.

Btw, I claim

Survivor

. Ircher forgot to explicitly announce there are none of those (it's implied, but not explicitly stated), so I'd like to claim it now to prevent him from announcing it later.

Also, I'm Ascetic Hider with 1-shot of BP/PGO on odd nights. In even nights I'm a compulsive Commuter. You simply can't touch me.

[Almost50]

99.99% sure it's a joke but regardless Survivors are not allowed in normal games.

Goddamn it, I know that. The point was to investigate whether he was trying to pull something or make a joke.

If you already know that then it must've been a

false statement

for starters. (Also the fact that I said it's implicitly refuted in Ircher's disclaimer, as he explicitly said there are only Town and Scum aligned players with no 3P roles).

Whether it was purely for fun or to pull out a reaction is mine to know and yours to guess though. Confirming it's a reaction test totally defies the purpose, while confirming it as a pure joke denies me from using any reads I gain based on responses (or lack thereof) to it.

[Almost50]

@A50: Why is 38 the only one of my posts you said you disliked? Did you not dislike the others too?

It was your first post, duh! I was making sure I included a read on everyone in the order they posted in the thread.

[Almost50]

@Hopkirk:
How to sort a Creature 101 - The maual: Town!Creature posts. Scum!Creature doesn't. It's as simple as that.

[Almost50]

Huh. Second time Ausuka is mentioning a traitor.

Yep, and I've explained why I believe there is a traitor. Do you actually scumread me for this?

If you were a traitor and wanted to flag to your team who you are, then bringing up the possibility of a traitor apropos of nothing is a pretty good beacon.

If that's true then dueling on it persistently is another way of signaling it to your team.

[Almost50]

I was voting your for the stupid BS stuff you were doing earlier, you could have ridden that out. But now you are super number 1 scum with a bullet.

I think you can do better than "stupid BS". How about "low life SoB"? Like, I started the game with the intention to have fin,. and I'm not gonna let a #@$% like you ruin that for me, so you are on my ignore list already. Over and out.

[Almost50]

Did I succesfully prod-dodge?

you did, but you failed to shake my preliminary SR on you as you said

absolutely nothing

game-related.

[Almost50]

Creature wagon is bad

How many games did you play with Creature?

[Almost50]

This is Town!Creature:

1- Town!Creature.
2- Town!Creature. (I wasn't in this)
3- Town!Creature.

And this is Scum!Him

1- Scum!Creature.
2- Scum!Creature.

Feel free to find more games and compare his play as either alignment to his play here then tell me the wagon on him is bad.

[Almost50]

I mean, all he did so far is post totally irrelevant stuff, which looks like a poor attempt to mimic his town play, but there's a lot more to it than just the number of posts.

[Almost50]

VOTE: A50

hi old friend, I see you changed your avatar from a duck to a monkey

Eh.. signs of times.
Never was a duck though. It was an EMU

So you got a red role pm I see. Too bad. I was looking forward to playing

with

you, but now I have to play

against

you.

[Almost50]

Can you explain what sub-random reads means?

Means he has a better chance getting right by flipping a coin or rolling dice.

[Almost50]

VOTE: Almost50

Feels like you're setting up a "hey! I tell bad jokes!" crutch to lean on at a later time.

Don't really like this vote that much; feels like the classic 'vote the scummy person' d1 in RVS.

What are your thoughts about A50?

Post 143 shows me really disliking his play & post 152 shows him reacting really nastily to being called scum. What are

your

thoughts on Almost50?

Your just spewing "stupid BS" (Hwy! I'm just calling him scum.)

[Almost50]

12. Lalendra+ (Town. Reminder: Mathdino's not scum either)

Wait, what? Math isn't in this game right?

Nope, but he might be later on. You never know who's going to replace out and who's going to get in their place.

But seriously, that was a poor joke attempt in reference to our last game together. Nothing more.

[Almost50]

Either way, I get flipped and they won't ever guess I named the whole of my scum team for real

Wait...is that literally a scumclaim

Yes. I slipped and posted in the wrong PT. Tell no one though. Let's keep it between the two of us. (And then I won't kill you bc it makes me look bad. Or maybe I do and WIFOM myself out of it. Or maybe I don't and WIFOM the WIFOM... or.. oh well, you get the drill).

[Almost50]

@Hopkirk:
How to sort a Creature 101 - The maual: Town!Creature posts. Scum!Creature doesn't. It's as simple as that.

It's not though, because I have fallen victim to this logic before and he was just busy town.

I have presented my evidence, so present yours.

[Almost50]

5? (physical education?) presentations to do

How does one do a presentation in phys ed

U Can't Touch This

[Almost50]

VOTE: Almost50 until I figure out what the hell you're doing

That would probably be by D3 and I would have been long gone though.

[Almost50]

This is very unlike your tone in other games we've played and I'm not sure if you're just trying something new or if you're really as scummy as you're making yourself sound, and that's almost impossible to believe but as of yet I have no other explanation

Lalendra, my friend.. the mod has asserted there is

only

one mafia team with no 3P roles in the game. This means one is either Town or Mafia. When someone claims to be a survivor/SK .. etc they are

clearly

trolling.lying through their teeth because it's the opposite of what the mod explicitly declared. So, are you going to believe me or Ircher???

[Almost50]

Why I do it? I'll make it easy for you/everyone else:

1- It could be for reactions
2- I could be a PR trying to evade the NK
3- I could be a VT acting like a PR who's trying to evade he NK
4- I could be scum trying to be "too scummy to be scum" read
5- I could be just having fun and confusing the hell out of everyone (you

know

I like to do that) and none of the above has even crossed my mind

Now take a pick
Hint: "4" is bad bc I'm likely going to investigated (or vigged if there's a Town Vig). I'm not getting NK'd by scum though because I am still very much available for the lynch.

Important: Should an investigative waste their shot on me, please do not be obvious about TRing me on D2 (if the Vig doesn't decide I'm too much for them to take). You don't need to out yourself just to save my neck. I can probably talk myself out of a lynch when/if push come to shove.

[Almost50]

VOTE: A50

hi old friend, I see you changed your avatar from a duck to a monkey

Eh.. signs of times.
Never was a duck though. It was an EMU

So you got a red role pm I see. Too bad. I was looking forward to playing

with

you, but now I have to play

against

you.

on a scale of 1 to 10, how serious are u about this scumread on Golden?

1-2. The jalf-arsed reason I gave for a SR on Fumuki (whom GR replaced) stands. However, GR himself hasn't said anything to further support that weak read, so he's more of a null read now.

[Almost50]

I'm gonna follow Khan here.
VOTE: Almost50

FINALLY! The "I'm gonna follow Khan here." soft-clears KK and implicates Edo. It's almost like he's saying he knows I'm town and is already blaming it on KK. Bad bad vote here.

VOTE: Edosurist

My fellow townies, follow me. Are you ready to lynch a mafioso?

[Almost50]

Btw, I still think Hopkirk is scum too, but Edo is now my strongest read.

[Almost50]

Also someone may want to investigate Osuka upon an Edo red flip (or my green flip if it comes to that)

[Almost50]

I'm gonna follow Almost here.
VOTE: Edosurist

Nice one! I honestly didn't see that one coming.

[Almost50]

Btw, I still think Hopkirk is scum too, but Edo is now my strongest read.

Why though?

Edo has four posts so it's not enough to get a read and hopkirk has actually engaged in the game with posts that seem fine?

I have explained it when I voted him. You don't hop on the 2nd leading wagon with "I'm gonna sheep this other person" unless:

A) You're Scum with the player who has the largest wagon on them.
B) You're Scum who want to make sure the two competing wagons are on town, so if one collapses the other gets pushed further.
C) You're hard TRing the person you're sheeping AND trust their reads to be good enough to sheep.

You are free to evaluate the 3 options (or come up with a 4th), but -to me- it looks like 2/3 of the reasons = Edo is Scum. Furthermore .. actually ISO me to get the idea of why pushing me any further

for no good reason

is more likely to come from Scum.

[Almost50]

Osuka has managed to be scummy since pregame

Id you genuinely believe so then Edo's vote in me (to put make my wagon tied with Osuka's) should give you a bit of a pause.

[Almost50]

1. Pressuring you with a wagon since he's unsatisfied with how you're acting weird d1.
2. Putting a vote on you because he feels it's the best place currently.
3. Just voting you because he gets scum vibes from you?

1- "More votes on this please".
2- "I think that's the best place to vote right now".
3- "I'm getting scummy vibes from this dude".

See? You're not getting the point. I'm not SRing him for voting me (otherwise I'd be SRing everyone who voted or expressed will to vote me, which isn;t the case). Ny problem is with his stated reasoning of

sheeping

someone else, thus absolving himself from any wrongdoing aftermath.

[Almost50]

Page 10*

Id you genuinely believe so then Edo's vote in me (to put make my wagon tied with Osuka's) should give you a bit of a pause.

You think Osuka is town then due to:

B) You're Scum who want to make sure the two competing wagons are on town, so if one collapses the other gets pushed further.

OR SCUM due to:

A) You're Scum with the player who has the largest wagon on them.

Why'd you leave that out??

[Almost50]

Ny problem is with his stated reasoning of sheeping someone else, thus absolving himself from any wrongdoing aftermath.

There's no "absolving of wrongdoing aftermath" because you haven't flipped yet so why you acting like his motivation is scummy

Because I can't wait to make my case after I join the dead thread?? Scum hunting is looking into posts and actions and trying to determine if it's town or scum motivated. Is it not?

[Almost50]

I mean really! "you haven't flipped yet"??? You mean I should wait till I'm flipped to make a case based on someone's vote reasoning?? COME ON!

[Almost50]

And you haven't responded to the second part: Why assume I have a TR on Osuka but not a SR when I included BOTH possibilities in the same post?

[Almost50]

Fine. We will see. I'm fine with the day being me vs him for the lynch. An unofficial gladiator shot here. Vote one of us.

P-edit: EVERYONE knows (and a few explicitly said) that post #97 was a JOKEY ENTRANCE. Do I TR Pine "because he sounded town when he typed .confirm"??

It thus follows that #105 is a sarcastic response to Osuka taking my early reads too seriously.

Now if you look closer (back to #97 you'd see I only had ONE serious read (on Hopkirk). Why else would I state -within the post.. between brackets- it was a serious read if all other reads were also serious???

[Almost50]

Last time we played didn't I pick on something you put in a joke post and you responded saying it was a joke post so all of it was non-serious even the bits that looked serious?

Well, I don't remember the specific details of each and every game I play, but did I say "this is serious" at any part of that joke post within the post??

And since you (and a couple more players) seem interested in knowing how exactly my mind works, I don't mind sharing why I'm

still

suspicious of you:

1- You say I'm town. You then move your vote off the opposing wagon (Wait please. That doesn't mean much on it's own)
2- You say Edo and Lalendra are he bad votes on my wagon, then you vote Lalendra over Edo who already has a competing wagon)

Now 1 & 2 combined give me the impression you are scum with BOTH Edo and Osuka, and especially Edo here because you avoided his wagon in favour of a smaller wagon when you could've put him up as the leading wagon.

Some people call it weak sauce, some call it reaching, and some acknowledge it's good logic albeit unorthodox. Either way, you have just been given a glimpse of how a 50+ y.o. brain works in real-time.

[Almost50]

Now go back and see how I said to lynch Edo, check Osuka, while actively maintaining my SR on you (even before you moved your vote), and try to see it my way. 3 people I SR on various level and then see you doing this. Is it supposed to strengthen my SR on you, relief it, or to be considered NAI? (I'm asking specifically about how you would fell

if you were in my shoes

, seeing it from my PoV.)

[Almost50]

My TRs (ordered in alphabetical order so as not to give away the strength of each read):

Ausuka, Dunnstral, JarJarDrinks, Kublai Khan, Pine, Srceenplay, texcat, TheRampage, Wavemode,

I have Edo as my strongest SR, followed by Hopkirk, then Osuka. I suspect Android & Charles but I can't say I am at all sure they are really scum with the fore-mentioned 3.

[Almost50]

@Almost50 - You're voting Edosurist for sheeping, but JarJarDrinks and Lovebird have hoped on the Edosurist bandwagon in literally the same sheeping way. What's the difference?

JarJar's reasoning was a clear joke (the reasoning, not the vote). He sees what I see but has decided to copy & paste the exact wordings Edo used for voting me.

LB quoted 2 posts (including the one that triggered me) and said she didn't like either of them, i.e. how Edo hops from wagon to wagon with poor reasoning.

Also, let's not forget I know "something" about most everybody in this game. More to it, I have played Edo, JJD & LB before. Maybe not that many games, but I think I can tonally read them with better than pure randomness precision.

However, I am not imposing my own read of anyone on anyone else. I even addressed my concerns about Hopkirk with Hopkirk himself, and his response gave me a bit of a pause so I may need to reevaluate my read there sometime.

Edo isn't even present enough to engage and -if needs be- reevaluate. Maybe my major mistake is I decided to take this game a bit more seriously than I have most of my recent games? I mean, I could go back into the shadows and lurk some, but I have done that sometimes before and then regretted being NK'd on N1 w.o. having left much leads for my fellow townies to double-check later on (most people don't do it anyway, but some do check the reads and remarks of the dead townies at the later stages of the game).

Btw, my updated TRs list:
Ausuka, Dunnstral, JarJarDrinks, Kublai Khan, Lalendra, Pine, Srceenplay, texcat, TheRampage, Wavemode, WhemeStar,

[Almost50]

*Note: My TRs list is actually composed of 3 levels. Town, Townish & Null-Town. I don't want to say which is which because that's one way how scum usually know where to shoot at night.

[Almost50]

And Lovebird's whole post is... hypocritical at best. She doesn't seem to like one-line posts with votes. Which is the same thing she does. She's not on your townlist, so you've apparently have some reservation about her. So what's the reservation?

I haven't locked a read on her one way or another yet. Her play style makes it a bit harder for me to read her accurately at the start of the game, so she's in the null pile for now.

Did you really think that me calling out Ausuka on mentioned the possibility of a mafia traitor out of the blue was a way to signal the mafia team that *I* was actually the traitor? Does that really sound logistically plausible to you?

I didn't say that. I said "If that's true then".. i.e. "using your own logic leads to..". I was refuting your reasoning on Ausuka being the traitor (or rather trying to signal it by mentioning the possibility of one to exist).

Why did you think the word "persistently" accurately described my actions?

I may have misspoke. You mentioned twice in the same page (page 6) and I -mistakingly- thought you also mentioned it once before.

[Almost50]

Why is Ausuka on your townread list?

Because I played her recently and I have fresh memories of her town play

[Almost50]

Are you the same person that claimed survivor, named all of your scum buddies, and slipped and posted in the wrong PT? I' don't think your mistake is taking the game too seriously.

One of the reasons why we never seem to rhyme is you never try to see it my way. You expect me to play in a certain way and SR me for not following the mold.

Now ask someone who does follow my games and knows my play style and they will tell you this is one way I use to:

1- Get out of RVS (by grabbing attention)
2- Collect reactions to start forming reads

I mean, none of the people who claim to be able to read me will ever take such posts at face value, because they know:

1- I lie more often as town than as scum
2- I almost never post without thinking it over, so there has to be a catch

Now add that the claim itself is ridiculous bc it contradicts mod-confirmed info, and I don't even know how someone like Lalendra got confused about it. Then again, I know Lalendra gets suspicious of anything "out of ordinary" so I understand why she voted me when she did. In fact I expected it more than not. The manner she went about it though is more like her town play in a couple of recent games. (She did on N1 here)(she replaced out of this one)

Why am I talking about Lalendra? It was to give you an example if what I was doing with that weird entrance.

[Almost50]

So, my analysis of the votes on me are:

ETL: I have no idea yet.
KK: Looks town to me. I don't recall a game with him though, but I compared it to his overall posting style in this game.
Lalendra: Yeah, this is likely town her.
Edo: That was more than likely a scum vote.

[Almost50]

Not only am I the top poster (that's a first), but everyone else has posted

less

than the mod!!!

[Almost50]

not sure how i feel about hopkirk. very up in the air right now, but i'm fairly sure that slot is either pr or scum.

a50 has been having a breakdown as of page 12. tops my lynch pool, along with aa9 and jarjar.

khan can be town for now

Why are you on a vanity wagon then? If it's all the same to you vote the top wagon on a suspect.

[Almost50]

Ausuka, Dunnstral, JarJarDrinks, Kublai Khan, Lalendra, Pine, Srceenplay, texcat, TheRampage, Wavemode, WhemeStar,

How can you have TR wavemode and whemestar?

and Screenplay jesus

Tone-gut reads cannot be explained easily, my friend. The way they post.. the way they say certain things.. the way they do "not" react to certain things.. it all adds up. I'm not stopping you from voting/interrogating them though. Feel free to find out for yourself.

[Almost50]

@osuka:

Why are you hopping from one

vanity

wagon to another,

When the

leading

wagon is on one of your top 3 lynches?[/b]

[Almost50]

Alright

VOTE: Osuka

Let's see what happens with this one.

[Almost50]

@Creature: Hey, LOOK! Your tail is on fire!

[Almost50]

Has Srceenplay been okay lately?

No. He's replacing out ball over the place.

[Almost50]

Nope. I've played them once or twice though.

[Almost50]

You used the same remark he used some other game.

Great minds work alike.

[Almost50]

But don't let me distract you from catching up. The game is short so far, so you should be able to catch up in a few minutes I guess (and it matters to me what you say and what reads you develop)

[Almost50]

OK, Creature can be town now

[Almost50]

Also I think for this game especially it would be better to call me “ausuka“ than “asuka“.

@: I have a better idea. Instead of typing your names we can use your avatar pics to reference/address you

[Almost50]

I wonder if I broke my personal record of 50 posts in a row (excluding mod posts).

I think I made sure you didn't

[Almost50]

@a50 I want your opinion on what I asked creature too...I'm racking my brain about that.

I reacted to that in real-time. I don't think the way Ausuka brought it up can be considered signaling out her own role. But I have to admit I don't think I ever saw Ausuka's scum game either.

The way it felt was she was setup speculating. If we have a Role Cop that issue can be dealt with on N1. If not, then we can reevaluate according to how she voted/gets voted by flipped players.

tl;dr: I don't see much wrong in it at this time, but I can reevaluate in a couple of days (if I'm still alive)

[Almost50]

It feels like you voted your scum buddy for some distancing then it backfired, now hes yelling at you in scumchat.

I'm old and out of practice, but is day-scumchat a common thing?

To those who may ask later: I think this is a town slip, so if KK was a town leam before he is more likely so now.

[Almost50]

@wheme you’re 100% right, vax replaced into screen, I replaced into the charles slot.

That's not what it says on the front page though.

[Almost50]

Not everything that looks like a duck is a duck.

If it talks like a duck though.. I must be hallucinating! Ducks don't talk.

[Almost50]

I'll start it then. The Almost50 wagon sadly isn't going to happen today.

VOTE: Scioness Sajj

Why do you say this? It was still tied for number one when you cast your vote elsewhere.

Because lots of people were giving a Day 1 townpass to Almost50. So the wagon really had no momentum or potential for momentum.

Understandable. I’ve kinda felt a bit better about him recently but won’t be taking my vote off until he demonstrates some actual effort with my Creature thing.

Skimming is bad, but I understand you wanted to get the jest of it all in one go, so I'll help you:

OK, Creature can be town now

[Almost50]

I didn't skim. I don't care about your current opinion on Creature. I want you to demonstrate you're not just going off rote with your read.

Oh! In that case you're welcome to drop by my house and I'll show you all necessary documentations.

[Almost50]

@Gamma: Stop this nonsense ... or I might be obliged to fake a guilty on you on D2 (and you know the town can still win it afterwards anyway)

[Almost50]

How about instead of deflecting with memes you actually respond to my issues I have?

Nope. In my mind I have already responded sufficiently and you're just trying to act like you're doing something useful, so that's all you're going to get from me.

P.S. Don't forget I am one of the best players on MS who can read you. Also, I already had Edo down as Scum, and you only confirmed it to me. 100% Scum slot.

[Almost50]

"P.S. Don't forget I am one of the best players on MS who can read you. Also, I already had Edo down as Scum, and you only confirmed it to me. 100% Scum slot."
Whoaaaa a50. I think I am out of my league being in this game LOL.
I had edo as scum because of lurk though. Gamma is the complete opposite.

Well it's true. Ask him. I have more than 80% accuracy reading Gamma vs less than 40% average in general (and some players I have less than 10% hit rate on them).

The meme was referring to a game I was so sure he was scum I fake claimed a guilty on him and his response convinced others to lynch him even after I declared it was fake (and he did flip scum).

@Gamma: your catchup comes from scum Gamma. It reminds me a lot of a scum sub-in and catch up you did last time we played. Is this playstyle/do you catch up the same as town (if so can you link something I guess).

@Performer: See? I'm not the only one who can see through that facade Gamma's putting on. I'm just as convinced Osuka is Scum so I don't mind lynching her first.

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Ausuka, Lalendra,

Osuka

, Texcat
Can I get thoughts on these slots A50?

I have TRs on all 3 (to varying degrees though)

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updated lynch pool, in no particular order:

performer
a50
khan
hopkirk
jarjar
therampage


those are names i want to discuss more. i expect at least 4 of those to be scum
VOTE: performer
since people dont wanna talk about jarjar

Translation: I'm scum reading two thirds of my wagon (the last 6 voters out of a total of 9).

Do you thing the whole scum team is voting you in succession here???

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*THINK

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If both Osuka and Edo/Gamma are town slots then my reads are

really

all messed up

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I’m not logging into the his account very often

Just out of curiosity, when exactly can we expect you to start playing this game?

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And I don't mean 'super active', but I need some input, some reads and -maybe- a vote somewhere? Who's your top scum read?

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I'm neighbours with Performer and wavemode.

And NOW I find it more likely that the neighborhood contains a Traitor (somebody find the rerun of The Real Folks Blues modded by Firebringer and Frozen Angel), and that you indeed were signaling it out.

P.S. I haven't been paying attention to claims. I only know someone claimed a VT and I don't even recall whom it was.

VOTE: Ausuka

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I could be wrong but like I think there's plenty of potential for 3 town neighbourhood in a 25p game.

As a sidenote it's probably mechanically optimal to lynch in {rampage, wavemode} because they've both claimed VT. (completely unprovoked)

Thanks for reminding me whom it was.

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this long day 1 is killing me...

Tell me about it. I've consumed my D1 energy already and the day is still ongoing that I go prodded (do you know how rare it is for me to get prodded for inactivity?)

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and Ausuka is prob town now. I don't think scum outs the neighborhood.

I do. That's why I wanted a link to the rerun of

The Real Folks Blues

, because the Traitor in the 5-p neighborhood outed all members in it unnecessarily. (then went on and sabotaged the game by quoting his own role PM in-thread).

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FWIW, texcat & Vaxkiller are likely scum buddies if Ausuka flips traitor. Just saying.

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and Ausuka is prob town now. I don't think scum outs the neighborhood.

I do.

ok so scum-Ausuka would only do this if the other 2 members were town right.

So like, Ausuka outs the hood to get Wave lynched who then flips green and now Ausuka not only looks bad for pushing the mislynch but is one of 2 members of the hood left?

Seems like terrible scum play.

As I said before; I don't know Ausuka's scum game, and thus cannot say id she's good or bad at scum.

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Why are there no Ausuka votes here when the other two have over half the players between them.

You are part of the problem. You put the 8th vote on Performer rather than the 3rd on Ausuka.

Hint: I agree on the notion we should be lynching from within the neighborhood. I further agree that only 2 of them are getting all the votes/attention and -for some reason- Ausuka is being spared, which I don't like. I specifically don't like the fact she outed the neighborhood for no apparent reason, and I think this is her giving her scum team additional info since she can't do that in the scum PT. This is why I reconsidered her earlier mention of the Traitor which -at the time- didn't feel like signaling her role to the main team members, but it does now.

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Ausuka is confirmed to be

aligned with the town

.

IC???

UNVOTE:

I no longer can claim I have a grasp on the game status in any form at all.

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Was talking about the IC ability. Again sorry if this was the wrong choice.

NVM. If I'm being honest it was mistimed, but then I would still be arguing you were a Traitor thus misleading the town myself. Totally

not

faulting you here.

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pedit: rtft a50

I am f'ing doing that. That's how I catch up.

[Almost50]

@Almost -- you'll catch up soon and then facepalm lol.

Someone knows me too well!

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I'm just one extra slot

We both need to readjust and reenter the game ASAP.

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Ausuka is confirmed to be

aligned with the town

.

IC???

UNVOTE:

I no longer can claim I have a grasp on the game status in any form at all.

Dude. This means that she needs protection, and that we need to trust in her.
And trust in me , cause we both are splendid at reading each other.

Well, I'm of two minds here: What scum team shoots the IC on N1 in a 25-p game?? Then again, if I was a Doctor/JK I don't have a better target to protect tonight anyway.

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said it before and I'll say it again, vax is scum here and I want a wagon on him

I can get behind a wagon on Vax if there's enough support.

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VOTE: Vaxkiller

Let's get a "fake" claim out of this one.

P-edit: @PP: Vote Vaxkiller. Everyone else who has a wagon on them is probably town. Of the 4 who were not voting (I am voting now) I am 100% certain A50 is Town. There you go.

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So, if Ausuka is IC and him and Performer are advocating for Wavemode...why is Performer the leading wagon?

Because some of us fear there might be more than one PR in that hood, so we're leaving it to the NKs and/or the investigative roles to sort them out.

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I'm a vig so lets fucking kill one of these fucks and Ill shot the other one dumbasses

What the freak is this game? Why do people claim @L-11???? Ausuka I may understand, but you weren't even getting enough momentum/support to be lynched. And WTF do you mean lynch one and shoot the other.

WE BLOODY SUSPECT THERE MIGHT BE ANOTHER PR IN THE HOOD.

We are making use of the mere existence of the hood (the IC may get something in there from either of the other two either before or after one of them is shot by scum). It's bloody DAY ONE, and we have PRs.. investigative.. informative and what not. Let them do their jobs. And if you intended to F us up the ass anyway you didn't need to also out yourself for no apparent reason.

UNVOTE:

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NOONE counter. I aint syaing shit else.

So this was a bloody bluff???

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if we get a red flip (in the neighborhood as well), i'd be inclined to hit jarjar or a50

I agree to this and I volunteer to be shot tonight. I hate being tunneled out of pride. Everybody who knows me is telling you I'm town, but you are a better player than at least 15 others it seems. Also JarJar is town on my list, so "maybe" if you see my role card you will finally believe it!

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You know what?

@Performer: Why don't you claim already? Everyone's been doing it for the fun of it.

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VOTE: Android

Town Creature usually has better reads than mine. I don't want to lynch the more vocal players (even if scum they're sure to slip down the road because they're

talking

)

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But I wont fight a wave lynch since he's not much better and it's infinitely better than performer.

Are we aiming to lynch

scum

, or are we punishing people for their bad play?

I mean, sure.. wave didn't do much (except he has reads, and if he hasn't mentioned someone as a TR then I assume they're in his lynch pool), but the question is: Is he scum? Do you think scum will go "lynch me.. I'm just a VT in a neighborhood, but I'm not telling you who else is in that hood" and then continue to play the same way that got him SR'd in the first place?

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Frozen Angel

WHO?
WHAT??
WHEN???
OMG! OMG!

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It's sad that I can't remember people meta xd

Spoiler: @FA

Can't remember what??
I'm

The Cop

. Always have been and always will be, even when I'm not!!

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oh yeah android is fine lynch

Join the growing wagon?

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somebody find the rerun of The Real Folks Blues modded by Firebringer and Frozen Angel

It was based on my design / blue prints and was ran by Radiantcowbells and Firebringer not me.

I missed that he ref'ed the rerun, that wasn't an element in the rerun actually, it was in the original

Well, I obviously meant the original (the one that did have the details I talked about, was modded by FA and I wasn't in it. I was a player in the rerun myself so could've found the link to it if I wanted to)

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@EVERYONE: PLEASE.. stop throwing shade and suggesting votes on someone based on ONE recent post that you didn't like. We've been here for almost 2 weeks. We have over 70 pages of posts. If someone's post is bad go back and ISO them (or refer to your notes of why they weren't your prime suspect earlier). I'd like you all to concentrate more on the current wagons.

I believe Android to be scummier than Performer. Granted he (Android) was on VLA, but he himself said he was back and then... NOTHING! What has Android done so far that gives him anything more than a null-town

at the very best

at anyone's read list? I'd say he's null on many read lists and leaning scum on the majority of the rest.

Now we need to settle on a lynch before the end of the day, and between the 3 leafing wagons I feel like Android has the greater probability of flipping red. I also reiterate: I do

not

want to lynch in the hood today. We have PRs and they know what to do. If that hood is actually a masonry (i.e. if all 3 are town) they can help us a LOT. They are also going to be NK'd by scum anyway.

We need to play as a team, not "to each their own". Thank you

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VOTE: ArcAngel9

GDI, GR!! You could be wrong or you could be right on Arc, but that's a new wagon and we only have 18 hrs left.

Please pick one of Performer, Android or Osuka.

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@ Pine, tex, Dunn, Wheme, GR & FA: Pick one of Andriod/Performer.

Note: Andriod is assumed to be voting Performer, so make sure you account for that.

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I'm a VT do as you wish.

That's a relief. The only reason I had you in my null-town reads earlier was that I thought you might be a PR who didn't know how to handle your role. That did wear out already, but thanks for the reassurance. Lynching a VT is the next best thing to lynching scum with 16 hours to go.

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But there's info to be gained here as well. If you are indeed town then 2-3 scums are on your wagon regardless of Performer's alignment (scum would want to get a mislynch rather than a no lynch).

If you flip red though then bussing is minimal and there's 0-1 scum on your wagon if Performer is town, and up to 2 if he is your scum p.

So, assuming your town you're taking one for the team, and you have my personal respect for it.

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I'm a VT do as you wish.

That's a relief. The only reason I had you in my null-town reads earlier was that I thought you might be a PR who didn't know how to handle your role. That did wear out already, but thanks for the reassurance. Lynching a VT is the next best thing to lynching scum with 16 hours to go.

This is scummy

Andriod is pretty blatantly town from their posting on this page - performer is only maybe town. Not impressed with the reasoning or total lack thereof to vote andriod over performer by the last half of this wagon - get performer

Let me do a Dunnstral:

This is scummy

Andriod is pretty blatantly

town

vanilla from their posting on this page - performer is only maybe

town

vanilla. Not impressed with the reasoning or total lack thereof to vote

andriod

performer over

performer

andriod by the

last half of this wagon

quoted person - get performer.

For those who need further explanation: There is always a chance BOTH wagons are on town. In this case, Dunn got a VT claim from one and is fishing for the other one's role. It's as simple as that.

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Let me elaborate:

Scum don't care which townie they lynch, although they know they probably can't get a lynch on a PR this early into the game. What hey care about is get as many claims (or hints) as possible for them to shoot at night. Wave already claim VT. Performer might be as well, or could be a PR. If Performer is a PR then shooting him and pushing for a lynch on wavemode tomorrow (based on the "there's likely to be 1 scum in the hood" theory) destroys the hood. If Performer is a VT then whatever.. they can shoot someone else they think are more likely a PR and leave the hood till later (still using the same theory of 1 scum is in it).

We have such short time left. What if Performer claims a PR? Who are we lynching then? And what if Performer claims VT?

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why are you voting them instead of performer?

Because -right now- I think we've been tricked to wagon 2 townies, one of which is a VT, the other is

unknown

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what changed about Android in your opinion?

Read Dunn's post I was responding to. I agree Android sounds more townish of late, but then I still think Performer is also Town.

@Texcat: Yes I was. A man is entitled to change their reads based on new content. No? Android didn't do jack shot all game, and was lurking even after he declared his VLA was over. I rallied for his lynch then. Recently he came on and sounded townie, but also declared he can't promise much if he lived to D2. He claimed a VT. His lynch still provides info through VCA, prevents more claims, and doesn't hurt the town much.

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Oops! I guess I was also responding to FA when I addressed tex.

@Tex: The Scum team. I'm not quite sure who they might be at the moment and I'd need more time and info to be able to reevaluate.

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