NY 213 - Game Over!

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Sorry, haven’t logged into this account in a couple days. I’ll get to this shortly.

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I think the Almost wagon is unwarranted.

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am i the only one who feels like day 1 of this doesn't matter

or day 2 or 3 for that matter

i'll sheep whatever almost50 wants since im pretty sure he's town

no i don't have any solid reads because that would imply i've been reading this god-forsaken early game

Oh, look, it’s townMode.

Gotten busy and haven’t kept up. I generally always eventually catch up, and then y’all wish I didn’t. it’ll happen soon.

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I've only played one game with her but Lalendra is another player who feels meh as town I think going by experience + her sig. FL is a very good bet for scum imo.

I kinda agree with you about Flavor, he seems super disengaged

I’m not logging into the his account very often

And when does disengaged make me scum? Ever? I’m super active as scum, and when I’m lucky, I’m generally active lurking. Here I clearly don’t know anything. (I just skimmed this page a little and the last page, but couldn’t really piece much together.

I’ll likely catch up during the night, and go from there at this point

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I mean, when I do eventually show up to the party, y’all gonna wish I’d be less active, let’s be honest.

Y’all know how I am. This is a blessing in disguise.

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I haven’t read enough to have legit scum reads yet, or even know where I want to pursue. Eventually I’ll call out a post for being townie, but I’m a known derailer if wagons that are being pushed for NAI, so when I come in, expect this game to be a lot more Flavor-ful. You’re gonna have to keep up more, so best if I wait anyways

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Also, Performer is hardcore projecting in that last post, and trajectory setting up.

I might have found my way to give y’all the 5 pages of Flavor you wanted.

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This is in response to all the bullet points in Performer’s projecting post.

The main wagoneer targeted wagon analysis looking town, vote still there.

Comment on the Unneeded claim is discrediting of a potential town PR. (Idk what the claim is, I’m taking this at face value)
Hopkirk also questioned based on Rampage ISO. This leans me to think that PerformerScum hands down equals RampageTown.
Rampage is being discredited here by Performer, so to me it looks like it’s an attempt to cut down a claim (if it’s a VT claim, still counts, as it could give reason to go there in the future)

Self meta comment, i like talking about myself. Literally look at any random game of mine, and you’ll get loads of self meta.

The Khan scum team comment, sure yeah, it’s weird, but I think it comes from town moreso than scum. I’ll agree with you, though. It’s weird.

The reads lists are incredibly political. Enough scum reads where he can go wherever he wants and drop whoever’s he wants, and enough town reads to get people on the good side while keeping fluid.

On the note of Ausuka, Ausuka is her main, just not the first account. I don’t think the other account should have to be outed if they don’t want to. There’s plenty of games they’ve played to look up some meta if you want.

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Also, Performer is hardcore projecting in that last post, and trajectory setting up.

I still think this is FL scum tbh. This reminds me of penguin mafia because the stuff he's talking about with Performer is buzzwordy and isn't there. I think he is actually more readable when he's active though.

I use a lot of buzzwords in general.

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Also, Performer is hardcore projecting in that last post, and trajectory setting up.

I still think this is FL scum tbh. This reminds me of penguin mafia because the stuff he's talking about with Performer is buzzwordy and isn't there. I think he is actually more readable when he's active though.

I use a lot of buzzwords in general.

However, I do see what you mean in comparison to Penguin’s game.

I had a lot of pull in that game when I was inactive as well, though.

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623 from performer looks like he went looking for reasons to join the biggest wagon

I started ISO’ing Creature and ETL to see how I felt on the wagon I’m pushing, and I’ve agreed with ETL on his notes about Perf for the things I’ve checked up on. This post he linked does in fact look like Performer was reasoning to other people so he didn’t look poor joining on it.

The fact that he is wishy washy with it doesn’t help that projecting feel.

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And Creature is townie to me. I see Creature as a lurk sack do nothing when he’s scum, and it works for him :shrug:

Won a game with ScumCreature before haha

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Now Performer is in a spot where I’ve done exactly what they were implying I should do, however it was targeted at him.

I’m curious to see how Performer responds to me before I take much further action (I’ll probably delve Performer more in a bit)

If he comes at me, he’s strictly attacking for just analyzing one of my posts. I’m very aware that you could be town, but am leaning towards ScumPerf yet and seeing projection in your posts. Can I see you posting like this as town? Sure, but it’s enough that I’m going to delve further into it until I can figure out what I need or see something else worth putting more time into.

So Performer...how will you respond?

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Creature naked voted me (suspicious without explanation), stayed active with his one-line posts (good sign). Later he just randomly votes mylon of all people. Later naked voted me again. Added to my sr for fishy sequence of unexplained events

rampage - I do agree with his post 100 talk about lynching lurkers. But his 509 looked very odd for unvoting creature simply since he "took up an entire page." That just makes no sense from town, it looks like a manufactured reason. The rest of the ISO just looked too bare to be town, seemed like coasting scum. He said he would catch up, then posted about being unable to catch up, didn’t say anything about his reads (sr or tr), even did an unneeded claim - in other games, I’ve seen folks do a claim like that with no good reason, later they turned out scum. By this point of the game, he should’ve put up something more than what he's put up.

Etl voted me for my opening post, said it was lamist. See my 623 for further sorting of him. Had sr on jar, me, rampage. gamma & wheme were his tr. I called him out for one of my posts, and he didn't reply about it - looked scummy, like he's brushing it off and just in some death tunnel. All he’s done is keep his vote on me ever since I came in, which makes him even fishier.

Arcangel - see texcat read for more on my read on arcangel. Also, arcangel voted texcat first, and voted her again in that 604 post. Since we’re nearing the half-day mark, the series of posts from arcangel does not make me tr her. Also in the area of possible lurking scum

wavemode naked voted osuka, voted texcat (my tr), voted the charles slot due to him asking a game setup question (scummy reason to vote someone), did a prodge post, continued lurking, popped up to vote osuka after osuka’s wagon analysis. Definitely suspect line of actions from wavemode, can’t see that coming from town.

vax kept defending creature before pg 16. Later made what looked like an opportunistic vote on scioness, while scioness voted ausuka. Definitely on sr due to his ISO.

flavor - after half day, still hasn’t voted anyone - lurk central. Self meta post looked like a fluff post - how does that help anyone who hasn't played with you, tr you? Also, see my 959 for elaboration

wheme, mylon - for lurking and/or low content (fluff). As I stated in my opening post, it’s not wise to let folks like that slide by (handing them a free pass). On a related note, fairly certain at least 1 of scum is lurking in some way. Also, they made plenty of bare posts that had no elaboration.

I haven’t read your stuff yet, Performer, but I saw the last part about East Bay, just like Boonskiies. Haha, I am Boonskiies

Yeah, it’s rough. I work in SF too, so BART everyday.

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Damn, didn’t mean to quote

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@Flavor Leaf - Why arre you playing this game from an open alt? Why not just play as Boonskiies?

Boonskiies is my modding account basically now. I have different theme backgrounds for them, so it’s just easier this way. Ive played a lot on Flavor anyways.

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Off topic: Duuude, boonskies. No freaking way lol!! You have too many alts. Barting to sf, oh man. I saw those new trains they had, they're nice.
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Well, since I've played with you before, I have another lens to examine you from...hmm.

I’m a little north of Berkeley. I’m semi in this game now, so it’s easy to just make comments.

Perf’s town. His reads were very thought out, and that’s just doing the most as scum...-.-

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and Ausuka is prob town now. I don't think scum outs the neighborhood.

I thought Wavemode outed it?

@Wave - I nodded a game where I had a 3p neighborhood, and gave them all additional PR’s.

Town Ascetic Neighbor
Town Tracker Neighbor

Etc...

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etl is basically conftown at this point in my book

can we lynch performer please

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First part, I’m not sure on the second part. I don’t think I’m leaning there.

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etl is basically conftown at this point in my book

No clue how ur getting this.

Simple. There’s no scum motivation at all behind ETL, unless you go completely simple with it and go “He’s trying to push a mislynch!”

What good would that do? It’s a large. He’s doing the most for a mislynch bait player on day 1.

It just come across as scummy, but it’s more likely to come from town.

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Looking at Wave meta and he seems a lot more engaged as town.
In the games I've looked at so far he's subbed out 3/3 times as scum after not posting much.

that's a nice sample bias you got there pal

rather than insulting my integrity by suggesting that i replace out to avoid playing scum rather than for legitimate RL reasons, why not look at games where, i dunno, i actually stayed in til the end?

I’ve seen the opposite be true with him as well.

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@Flavor Leaf - Is there a towny reason not to put down a vote anywhere on Day 1?

Yep. Not paying enough attention, and i like analyzing the main wagons on day 1

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Yo gabba gabba
I’m here. I have time. Talk to me, talk to me, babbbbyyy

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Let’s not do someone in the neighborhood for the day, I wanna try to do some analyzing next day phase.

Large Norms are my speciality. Just not early games. Y’all know me. Y’all know me.

I’ll make an entrance eventually.
Yo.

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My townieness will be proven eventually. I don’t participate early large games too often unless I get a 1v1 with someone or hardcore see someone as scum.

Also, Whemestar always scum reads me, and has never been right. So, :shrug:

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Like, honestly, if you’ve played with me before, you know I’ll be here eventually.

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@Tex/Wheme/Flavour Leaf: Why are your votes where they are?

I’ll be a hammer vote. Trying to keep myself as mislynch bait.

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Like, I don't know why people are whining about Android18 or wavemode or whoever else with Flavor Leaf around.

Nah, I’ll show up.

I’m going to end up having the most posts in this game. You want 45 pages now or later?

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To me it shows that he's not reading the game and is just saying things

This is exactly what I’m doing.

Dunn, you’ve played many games with me, recently as well, I’ll show up

I hate early game especially in larges. I just get in long toxic 1v1’s

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Like, I don't know why people are whining about Android18 or wavemode or whoever else with Flavor Leaf around.

Nah, I’ll show up.

I’m going to end up having the most posts in this game. You want 45 pages now or later?

I'd rather have them now please.

Ausuka.

I’ll do it for you, okay?

I’m at work right now, though, so i cant catch up atm.

You know what. Imma bring back the ‘ol Last Night Tomorrow gimmick I used to do. I’ll work on it in the night phase. Scum don’t kill me. Town, just think I’m scum trying to pull something.

Y’all will see townBoon eventually. Believe it!

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@Hopkirki - It’s just early games in general. Sometimes I just fall so far behind, and the game goes by so fast, that I just cant keep up while playing casually.

I had like 30+ pages to read, and I like doing that in ISO’s when I have some time to. I just haven’t is all.

I’ll still post casually until I get a couple hours to invest in this game.

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Most of my posts this game happened while at work, in between my shows.

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VOTE: Android

I might not be online in time to hammer. I’d rather this than Perf.

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I wanna do some analysis with hood work.

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VOTE: Android

I might not be online in time to hammer. I’d rather this than Perf.

Why? I don't believe you've ever given an opinion on either

What’re you talking about?!? I basically entered this game and ONLY talked about Performer.

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Also, Performer is hardcore projecting in that last post, and trajectory setting up.

I might have found my way to give y’all the 5 pages of Flavor you wanted.

This is in response to all the bullet points in Performer’s projecting post.

The main wagoneer targeted wagon analysis looking town, vote still there.

Comment on the Unneeded claim is discrediting of a potential town PR. (Idk what the claim is, I’m taking this at face value)
Hopkirk also questioned based on Rampage ISO. This leans me to think that PerformerScum hands down equals RampageTown.
Rampage is being discredited here by Performer, so to me it looks like it’s an attempt to cut down a claim (if it’s a VT claim, still counts, as it could give reason to go there in the future)

Self meta comment, i like talking about myself. Literally look at any random game of mine, and you’ll get loads of self meta.

The Khan scum team comment, sure yeah, it’s weird, but I think it comes from town moreso than scum. I’ll agree with you, though. It’s weird.

The reads lists are incredibly political. Enough scum reads where he can go wherever he wants and drop whoever’s he wants, and enough town reads to get people on the good side while keeping fluid.

On the note of Ausuka, Ausuka is her main, just not the first account. I don’t think the other account should have to be outed if they don’t want to. There’s plenty of games they’ve played to look up some meta if you want.

Now Performer is in a spot where I’ve done exactly what they were implying I should do, however it was targeted at him.

I’m curious to see how Performer responds to me before I take much further action (I’ll probably delve Performer more in a bit)

If he comes at me, he’s strictly attacking for just analyzing one of my posts. I’m very aware that you could be town, but am leaning towards ScumPerf yet and seeing projection in your posts. Can I see you posting like this as town? Sure, but it’s enough that I’m going to delve further into it until I can figure out what I need or see something else worth putting more time into.

So Performer...how will you respond?

Off topic: Duuude, boonskies. No freaking way lol!! You have too many alts. Barting to sf, oh man. I saw those new trains they had, they're nice.
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Well, since I've played with you before, I have another lens to examine you from...hmm.

I’m a little north of Berkeley. I’m semi in this game now, so it’s easy to just make comments.

Perf’s town. His reads were very thought out, and that’s just doing the most as scum...-.-

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Maybe not entered

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Damn, i’ve Done more than I thought I did.

Go me!

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Regardless of the wagons, i don’t see Dunn as scum either way.

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He’s literally been pushing trying to get on other wagons besides the ones that are being pushed because he doesn’t think they are necessarily scum.

He literally waited less than 24 hours until deadline to eventually collapse.

That isn’t scum motivated at all really. I very much feel like he was genuinely trying to get he lynch elsewhere.

And the way he did it, isn’t just scum pushing elsewhere to try to save a buddy. That’s doing the most.

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Almost is a neat kill.

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I don’t see scum motivation in that bad thing, though

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My name is Flavor

This is true

Jar Jar’s scum

That reads list is
Alright enough of that rhyming crap

Jar Jar’s read list is POLITICAL AF.
That Mylo explanation is terrible.

A lot of people find mylo scummy, and it almost makes me think mylo is town and JJ knows it, but he wanted to put a scum read there.

VOTE: Jar Jar

I’m here y’all. Get ready

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A lot of scum fake claim vig. That explanationnon Vax is weak as hell.

Vig is literally one of the fake claims I have newer scum teammates claim if they look to be going down, because it gives a few days extra.

Vax did however take it back, and I get that, but the way Jar Jar explains that is scummy.

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You want the content, Jar Jar. You’re getting it.

This is funny because this is what happened with Performer. I actually feel like I put a decent amount forward, so that explanation on me also feels forced and political.

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Also, Kublai is coasting, and Jar Jar is slyly giving him support.

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Yeah, but I’m a Known hypocrite.

Jokes aside, I didn’t coast, i straight up wasn’t here and wasn’t trying to hide it.

You’ve been here, coasting.

:shrug:

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I mean, you didn't just coast Day 1. You careful didn't put a vote anywhere or say anything significant. Of all the Day 1 ghosts, you were you most conspicuously trying not to have any interaction with anyone.

Not that I tried not to have interaction, i just literally didn’t read the game, and didn’t have anything to say.

Now I’m here.

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I think Mylo is town.

However, I think Creature and Dunn are also town, so that wagon analysis is neat.

Which is why JarJar makes even more sense to be scum with that setup of joining the wagon.

Caught out by political reads, tbh.

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Also, the timing of the Kublai posts is great to me.

I feel I’m on the right track.

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I mean, you didn't just coast Day 1. You careful didn't put a vote anywhere or say anything significant. Of all the Day 1 ghosts, you were you most conspicuously trying not to have any interaction with anyone.

Everything I say is significant. Just might not be relevant.

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I mean, you didn't just coast Day 1. You careful didn't put a vote anywhere or say anything significant. Of all the Day 1 ghosts, you were you most conspicuously trying not to have any interaction with anyone.

Not that I tried not to have interaction, i just literally didn’t read the game, and didn’t have anything to say.

That's the ultimate perfect defense isn't it? Why'd you vote at deadline then?

Because Performer was obv town and it was a countering wagon.

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so that wagon analysis is neat.

What wagon analysis? Are you just doing it in your head and announcing reads? You're not even going to show your logic?

And this is you trying to come up with something to attempt to turn it back around.

The wagon analysis. Pretty simple if you just look at mylo’s wagon with the three people on it, two of which I mentioned.

I feel town is on town there, with a growing suspicion of Penguin, the other person on the wagon.

I don’t scum read PP, but it’s interesting to look out for when you take into consideration Jar Jar’s Setup.

Pretty sure I explain most of this.

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The Penguin stuff I didn’t bring up, but i didn’t really feel the need. That was something for me to keep note of since I didn’t know what to think of it yet.

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I mean, you didn't just coast Day 1. You careful didn't put a vote anywhere or say anything significant. Of all the Day 1 ghosts, you were you most conspicuously trying not to have any interaction with anyone.

Not that I tried not to have interaction, i just literally didn’t read the game, and didn’t have anything to say.

That's the ultimate perfect defense isn't it? Why'd you vote at deadline then?

Because Performer was obv town and it was a countering wagon.

If I iso you, am I going to find evidence of you saying that Performer looked scummy to you?

Sure, in the beginning. Not the end

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Off topic: Duuude, boonskies. No freaking way lol!! You have too many alts. Barting to sf, oh man. I saw those new trains they had, they're nice.
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Well, since I've played with you before, I have another lens to examine you from...hmm.

I’m a little north of Berkeley. I’m semi in this game now, so it’s easy to just make comments.

Perf’s town. His reads were very thought out, and that’s just doing the most as scum...-.-

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What's your definition of "POLITICAL"?

Reads for the sake of having said reads to gain favor in the social aspect of this game.

Scum state town reads/scum reads on people to get read in a certain way by other people. This happens subconsciously a lot of the times.

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Lol, there are so many pages in thisbgame i haven’t read. That was like the area where i was trying to get in the game

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I’m probably a super strong PR this game and lurking for that reason.

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Look at them. He doesn’t actually believe them, and theyre there to get him read a specific way.

Quit chainsawing your buddy.

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I’m probably a super strong PR this game and lurking for that reason.

Would you really tolerate other people defending themselves this way or is it part of your "known hypocrisy" meta-defense?

Who said I was defending myself that way?

I was just stating something.

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I don’t feel I’m the one needing to defend myself here. You’re just looking to tear me down because I’m after your partner and you tryna turn it on me.

I’m never getting lynched this game. Hint for your future scum games with me: buddy me, don’t try to mislynch me. You’ll have a much higher chance of success.

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I jump into games when I find scummy people. Then i go through all the possibilities.

I have a decent amount of town reads, and some scum reads.

I actually feel it’s pretty established as well, despite my lack o posts.

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I’m also less than 15 posts within you.

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I feel like I was the first to vote him.

You’re just continuing your coasting, though.

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I don’t have to explain anything.

I can conftown myself this game. Don’t worry.

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How’s this, guys? I’m going to conftown myself by the end of Day 4.

Now let me do what I will now be calling the Kubla Khan, and let me coast!

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I’m also less than 15 posts within you.

Yeah. Fluff will do that.

And I've played with tons of players who brag about never being lynched and how thay should be buddied. They usually do it more as scum. Big old yawn to your braggadocio.

I do everything as town that people should only do as scum!!

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I feel like I was the first to vote him.

You’re just continuing your coasting, though.

Your wagon analysis never showed any day 1 votes for JarJarDrinks you could join up with?

I’m not tryna wagon analysis Jar Jar, though.

That was simple common sense wagon reading with the Mylo.

Nothing else.

Don’t care about that right now.

I’m going off strictly play, and right now I’m just tryna Kubla Khan while pushing my point of KK and JJ being scum.

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Man I want jar jar lynched but VOTE: Vax

Vax is like...obv town here.

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I’m also less than 15 posts within you.

Yeah. Fluff will do that.

And I've played with tons of players who brag about never being lynched and how thay should be buddied. They usually do it more as scum. Big old yawn to your braggadocio.

Everything I say is significant. No fluff.

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You are literally coasting on reputation.

I am not Kubla Khan’ing on reputation, I’m Kubla Khaning after I put all my stances out. I have stances out on many people there.

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Jar Jar scum read the fake vig claiming for the sake of fake claiming vig.

I town read Vax for fake claiming vig and taking it back.

Fake claiming vig is scummy and survivalistic.

Vax not only took it back, something I do with claims often from a town perspective, so I see when others attempt to do it, he also did it in a non entirely survivalistic way, and he explained that.

This is TownVax.

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Man I want jar jar lynched but VOTE: Vax

Vax is like...obv town here.

Wat pls explain

A lot of scum fake claim vig. That explanationnon Vax is weak as hell.

Vig is literally one of the fake claims I have newer scum teammates claim if they look to be going down, because it gives a few days extra.

Vax did however take it back, and I get that, but the way Jar Jar explains that is scummy.

This quote post by KK is scummy. It’s to try and project a contradiction without having to put himself out there in anyway.

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KK and JJ are clearly partners.

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Kk is fighting for the sake of causing disruption and to try to derail momentum.

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You are literally coasting on reputation.

I am not Kubla Khan’ing on reputation, I’m Kubla Khaning after I put all my stances out. I have stances out on many people there.

This is the part where I ask you for your stances. Again.

I’ve already stated them. Look at my ISO. I say stuff when I say stuff. Don’t feel like repeating until relevant.

I don’t need y’all changing things up to get even more political.

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Added activity rule #12: "Regardless of whether or not you actually post, you are expected to be reading the game to the best of your ability at all times. (In other words, do not state that you have not been reading the game.)"

See the quote.

Oh, I had read it to the best of my ability. I won’t state ithat anymore, though. I’ll say not caught up.

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Oh, that’s a new rule.

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Lurking is also townie. So boom.

I lurk more as town.
I active lurk more as scum.

This was neither of those. I didn’t lurk at all. I just got busy in life had to wait to keep up

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How’s this, guys? I’m going to conftown myself by the end of Day 4.

I can conftown myself this game. Don’t worry.

Soft claims are scummy. Also, u seem pretty sure ur gonna be around on day 4.

Why wouldn’t I be?

I’m playing in a way where scum would be stupid to kill me.

And I feel like I’m one of the hardest people to lynch on site. :shrug:

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KK is now way lower on my list cuz flav leaf v KK looks like obvious scum theater.

Lol, look at this attempt at distancing from their partner, KK.

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Lurking is also townie. So boom.

no it isn't

I lurk more as town.

then you play scummy as town. Dont feel bad. not everyone is good at mafia.

Yeah, I feel it. I’m just great at mafia. I can play as scummy as I want as town and still not get lynched.

People are more paranoid of me when I’m townie.

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KK is now way lower on my list cuz flav leaf v KK looks like obvious scum theater.

Lol, look at this attempt at distancing from their partner, KK.

you do admit that if you and KK are scum, I'm pretty amazing at mafia right? Picking up on that scum theater right away is pretty impressive huh?

That would be great, but it’s not. I’ll be conf town, and you two are scum.

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KK is now way lower on my list cuz flav leaf v KK looks like obvious scum theater.

Lol, look at this attempt at distancing from their partner, KK.

huh? thats what I'm saying about you and KK. Did u really just "I know you are but what am I? my post?

Nah, that’s what you did.

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KK is now way lower on my list cuz flav leaf v KK looks like obvious scum theater.

Lol, look at this attempt at distancing from their partner, KK.

huh? thats what I'm saying about you and KK. Did u really just "I know you are but what am I? my post?

Nah, that’s what you did.

I stated you two were scum before you stated us two were scum.

I’m currently voting you, dude...

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You’re my main scum read, KK is my second

[Flavor Leaf]

You’re my main scum read, KK is my second

yeah I know how it works dude. You pretend to scumread ur buddy but you try to get me lynched so when I flip town, your scumread on KK looks bad.

Your scum read on me looks bad.

Your scum read on mylo looks bad.

Majority of your scum reads look bad.

All your reads are political.

Hell, I’ll lynch KK first. He was chainsawing you, and now you’re distancing.

You guys are literally just switching places while in 1v1s with me.

[Flavor Leaf]

Let’s lynch KK, then JJ. Calling your bluff here.

[Flavor Leaf]

Flavor, whats ur read on android?

Would’ve lynched Android over Performer yesterday, but idk if I want Android as the lynch.

[Flavor Leaf]

Let’s lynch KK, then JJ. Calling your bluff here.

nah cuz i could be wrong. Not gonna lynch on an association read.

Association lynch?

You said it was “obvious scum theatre”. That’s not an association lynch. That’s two scum reads.

[Flavor Leaf]

xd it's fun when you try and engage players with literally zero content and naked votes

VOTE: Whemestar

Don’t chainsaw to move focus off of Jar Jar.

[Flavor Leaf]

On page 81

I have work so maybe will catch up after work

Jar jar is a good vote for now

Man I want jar jar lynched but VOTE: Vax

Lol @ golden

creature aint never gettin lynched

VOTE: jar jar

It’s not a naked vote. He’s been talking about it after Jar Jar’s been posting. So he’s actively been implying he is getting scum vibes from JJD, he just doesn’t know exactly why. He’s a tone reader.

[Flavor Leaf]

this isn't chainsawing

I actually agree with you that his play has been super questionable and JJD has been in the lower half of my readslist throughout the majority of the game

the only thing that's stopping me from outright voting him is a crumb I saw that

I crumb more as scum than town. Why is that immediately townie to you?

[Flavor Leaf]

I crumb more as scum than town.

I’m probably a super strong PR this game and lurking for that reason.

I’m never getting lynched this game.

I can conftown myself this game.

I’m going to conftown myself by the end of Day 4.

That’s not me crumbing. That’s me getting cocky and obnoxious.

But i like the fire. That’s townie of you.

[Flavor Leaf]

I’m probably a super strong PR this game and lurking for that reason.

he's softclaiming a strong PR

if he's vt, then he's acting as a decent nk bait

if he's actually pr, then he's painting a big target on himself (unlikely)

if he's scum then he's bringing unneeded attention to himself by acting scummy and saying he'll be conftown

Ahhh...Classic Boon. I’m hilarious.

Yeah, it’s probably one of these or a mixture of multiple.

[Flavor Leaf]

Can someone who was townreading KK explain why he's town please?

Lol. JJ, I claim like five different roles every game. Regardless of alignment.

I’ll link you some games if you want, but I’m not going to go into circular reasoning for that stuff.

[Flavor Leaf]

Dat JJ/KK wagon on me. Much scum indeed.

[Flavor Leaf]

If I’m a PR, outwardly claiming like that, scum won’t think I’m a PR and will get WIFOM’d and not kill me.

If I’m a VT, I’m tryna act like a PR to get scum to potentially kill me.

I’m playing like mislynch bait, so scum doesn’t necessarily want to kill me, but they might because of the PR claim.

Classic Boon.


I WIFOM the entire scum team.

And you’re falling for it, hook, line, and stinker.

[Flavor Leaf]

Also, JJ is letting KK Kubla Khan some more. They’re taking turns. Classic scum buddy move.

[Flavor Leaf]

i would color the game like

Performer

Almost50

Osuka

Wavemode

Gamma Emerald

Ausuka

Frozen Angel

Vaxkiller

Creature

PenguinPower

EspeciallyTheLies

Myloninja13

Flavor Leaf

Dunnstral

Kublai Khan

Hopkirk

JarJarDrinks
WhemeStar
Pine
Lalendra

Andriod18

Texcat

Golden Robster

ArcAngel9

Scioness Sajj

While we have different reads for a decent amount of people, we are overlapping a good deal. I’m ultra paranoid, and I understand why people are scum reading you, but I think I’m going to start defending you more. I think it was an all town neighborhood.

[Flavor Leaf]

@GROB - I like your reasoning.

@KK - GET THAT VOTE BACK ON ME OR SO HELP ME! or so help me!

[Flavor Leaf]

@KK - GET THAT VOTE BACK ON ME OR SO HELP ME! or so help me!

If you flip town, you need to be policy WOTM out of every game.

I mean, you know, been here for 4+ years, win the majority of my scum games, heard this multiple times, doesn’t stop me from solving games/fooling people as scum :shrug:

[Flavor Leaf]

@KK - GET THAT VOTE BACK ON ME OR SO HELP ME! or so help me!

If you flip town, you need to be policy WOTM out of every game.

I mean, you know, been here for 4+ years, win the majority of my scum games, heard this multiple times, doesn’t stop me from solving games/fooling people as scum :shrug:

I don't believe you. I can't believe you.

Look, this isn't real life. I can't look at your face for visual cues as to whether or not you're joking around or not. I have to read your words and either take them at face value or not. This is why the "Lynch all Liars" policy is the best policy. If everyone in the game is 100% truthful all the time, then town is more likely to win.

If you're town, you're more interested in winning a scum game in the future by setting a meta of being a liar now. That's shitty. It doesn't respect the time, energy, and frustration I'm putting into this game over the days and weeks. If you're scum, you've set the set bar low so that you can say or do whatever and town are fools for letting you get away with it.

You're so self-serving that you're Scrappy-Doo.

Sure, but I don’t lie, so that doesn’t apply. I never say I for sure am, just probably.

[Flavor Leaf]

You’re just commenting without seeing how I actually do things, so anything you comment on my play will end up being moot.

I have my own style, it gets results. There are many games I end up being town leader in. To be fair, I’ve done some crazy shit as scum, and people know gat nothing is out of my scum range anymore so i have people constantly paranoid, but those same people will know that I can hard carry a game if I’m town. I prefer not to do that. I prefer if we as town can just work together. I’ll do what I can to ease it. I always do.

I’m even explaining everything clearly here. You assume my playstyle is a certain way just by assuming. I put a lot of analysis and thought into games, which is why i have to put some real sitdown time in.

[Flavor Leaf]

JarJarDrinks (5) - Andriod18 (2116), Flavor Leaf (2205), Dunnstral (2206), WhemeStar (2301), Lalendra (2334)

eh
why is this the lead wagon?

Cuz JJD is pulling an Unah, and made a completely political reads list on top of pushing a scum motivation, and then KK chainsaw defended, and then JJ chainsawed the chainsaw however tried to bus KK, but not enough to want to vote there. So the fake distance alongside the political reads and survivalistic nature, basically.

[Flavor Leaf]

ANSWER MINE FIRST

yes

if you really wanted to actually know you could of just checked my game history instead of being sarcastic

now answer my questions

Scum creature - never posts

Town creature - posts

[Flavor Leaf]

I don’t give reads list on command. I’ve already stated where I’m at with most people. Those one comment things I say lend it

[Flavor Leaf]

i just skimmed over 2402. Didn’t feel like dealing with KK’s devil advocate fluff.

[Flavor Leaf]

Just distraction from JJD.

[Flavor Leaf]

Is everyone voting me someone that I put on my reads list as scum?

That's gotta be a record for the most OMGUS wagon in mafia history.

How about joining me on Khan JJ?

[Flavor Leaf]

Is everyone voting me someone that I put on my reads list as scum?

That's gotta be a record for the most OMGUS wagon in mafia history.

How about joining me on Khan JJ?

Meant to comment on this, not quote.

JJD was even pushing that KK and I were “obvious scum theatre” yet then went further to say KK wasn’t only an associative read after flat out stating that KK was lower on his reads list.

I will lynch either JJD or KK today. I’m not really interested in other wagons bar anything major.

JJD is backpedaling while trying to go aggrieved to try and diffuse the situation.

[Flavor Leaf]

How about joining me on Khan JJ?

Could you explain why on this wagon as well? I'm actually considering it but don't really understand the full case since there was some suspicion being thrown toward KK day 1, plus I may have missed something as I skipped so pages.

Look into my posts from the past few days. I spoke a lot on KK.

[Flavor Leaf]

If I’m wrong on one of JJD/KK, it’s probably KK just being obnoxious town.

[Flavor Leaf]

I comment on anyone I have thoughts on. If i hadn’t made a comment, it means I’m not entirely sure on the slot, or I don’t feel the need to comment. I like playing in real time and then mixing it within the past.

For instance the Pine comment. I can’t recall a single Pine post atm, so :shrug:

I’ll deal with it by dealing with others. POE eventually if need be

[Flavor Leaf]

heyyyy I'm really bad and need to get to this game. correct me if I'm wrong but nobody has told me why KK was town? feels like loads of ppl TR'd him, and I don't really know why.

I wasn’t aware people were town reading him.

[Flavor Leaf]

You skip Day 1 except to brag about how you're not reading yet. You comment a little bit on things, but you don't actually put your vote anywhere until the last minute.
You've made hard and soft PR claims and then took them back. (Maybe? Sort of?)
You say that the lynchee will flip town (which is easy enough to predict as scum).
You vote JarJarDrinks with the explanation that his reads are political. I ask you to clarify, you refuse and change the topic.
In fact, you link me with JarJarDrinks because I'm "chainsaw defending" him.
Last I checked, chainsaw defending means that as scum I'm attacking you out of the blue because I'm defending a scum-partner. But I told you at the end of Day 1 that I would come after you Day 2, and I did regardless of your actions.

So for all the braggadocio of how awesome you are at manipulating people and at analysis. You've got 2 scum reads (one of which I know for a fact is town), and your analysis is a shitty "he seems scummy". So yeah, congrats. I'm definitely not getting behind you as a town leader. Mission accomplished on that.

Where's you reads on the game? Your promised analysis? You've had no comment on Pine all game? Lalendra? Myloninja13?

Where's your reads list, you day 1 lurker? (3rd time asking)

over-exaggerated, melodramatic and being excessive in this post

think this post is trying to produce a reaction and I TR it

You could say the exact same thing here, and literally just change that T to an S and does the same thing, if not more. This is projecty. However this does make me feel GROB and KK arent scum together.

[Flavor Leaf]

If I’m wrong on one of JJD/KK, it’s probably KK just being obnoxious town.

bleh post

you seem 100% sure that JJD/KK is scum then you backpeddle with this

Nah. That’s just how I seem. I’m never 100% sure until I am.

I go forward with thinking that I am correct, as it allows me to see the angles. Plus, it makes sense from my perspective, so I have no reason to think I’m incorrect until something comes up, and when it does, my reads adapt.

[Flavor Leaf]

It allows me to not look over anyone for simple things. I do it everywhere, I’m just more invested here right now is all.

[Flavor Leaf]

Good work, Hopkirk. Have a town read.

[Flavor Leaf]

It’s also hilarious that KK had some personal agenda it seemed against low activity’s posters, but once I came in, he seemingly forgot about all the low activity posters. I believe I am no longer a low activity player here.

[Flavor Leaf]

@JJD - do you have thoughts on Lalendra?

[Flavor Leaf]

Creature slot town.

ScumCreature would have just lurked it out and took any repercussions within the game, socially. He’d have taken a lynch.

[Flavor Leaf]

Why is that bad to have the vote come before?

I think it’s townie to just explain it afterwards because he felt it, and then explained it to himself even more.

[Flavor Leaf]

Sometimes I can’t put my readsninto words until a little later down the line.

[Flavor Leaf]

I don’t know how I feel about fa

Flavor leaf*

Well, I’m actually a rather chill dude, despite what it may seem on here. I’m just sarcastic/sassy, and through text it comes across like a dick. I have a mixture of self deprecating humor alongside my false bravado. Don’t get me wrong, I got that confidence, but I’m also very forgiving, and never want to actively make anyone upset. I feel bad killing off the people I’m closer to in Mafia even if I think they’re scum/threat to me when i’m Scum.

I do smoke a decent amount of weed, but like, only socially, but a lot of my close friends are everyday people, so I’m generally with them.

I’m an actor, theatre, getting a decent amount of film crew work, paying the bills :shrug: I’m an introverted extrovert. Yeah.

How do you feel now? Decent person

[Flavor Leaf]

FL can be town for now...probably won't reassess for a bit.

Probably for the best.

[Flavor Leaf]

FL can be town for now...probably won't reassess for a bit.

Probably for the best.

Probably.

Why is JJD the leading wagon?

Political reads basically. Survivalistic.

I think I’m about to go to KK myself. Hopkirk made some good posts.

[Flavor Leaf]

Since you decided to self meta mofo:

Also, JJ is letting KK Kubla Khan some more. They’re taking turns.

Classic scum buddy move

.

Here are examples of flavor leaf thinking things are "classic mafia" in other games:

Spoiler:

Mini Normal 1996 Post #2154
Flavor Leaf,

Mafia 1-Shot Ninja

, lynched Day 4

I feel this is a classic “doesn’t matter if you know I’m scum if you can’t get me lynched” scenario.

Mini Normal 1980 Post #1138
Flavor Leaf,

Mafia Neighbor

, lynched Day 2

Like the bus a buddy, vote a townie, classic maneuver is the epitome of bussing and preventing a lynch.

Have you ever thought someone was classic scum when you were town bro?

Yep.

[Flavor Leaf]

Good work, though JJD.

Enough for me to move my vote. I like the fire. Keep it up.

VOTE: Kubla Khan

[Flavor Leaf]

@Wave - I don’t think it’s a bad case; i just think it’s incorrect. It was actually a rather good case, better if he was scum, however I think the mindset and agenda behind it is coming from annoyed town.

[Flavor Leaf]

bad case. most of it is oversimplification and ignoring nuance. I don't see anything there that's scum indicative, especially if you juxtapose kk's supposedly shallow engagement with that of a number of other players who are much worse. I still townread Kublai

Oh, this was referring to Hopkirk, wasn’t it? Hopkirk has a good case.

I was referring to JJD’s posts.

[Flavor Leaf]

You could say the exact same thing here, and literally just change that T to an S and does the same thing, if not more. This is projecty. However this does make me feel GROB and KK arent scum together.

just feels like he's trying to provoke a reaction rather than directly attack you

Since you decided to self meta mofo:

Also, JJ is letting KK Kubla Khan some more. They’re taking turns.

Classic scum buddy move

.

Here are examples of flavor leaf thinking things are "classic mafia" in other games:

Spoiler:

Mini Normal 1996 Post #2154
Flavor Leaf,

Mafia 1-Shot Ninja

, lynched Day 4

I feel this is a classic “doesn’t matter if you know I’m scum if you can’t get me lynched” scenario.

Mini Normal 1980 Post #1138
Flavor Leaf,

Mafia Neighbor

, lynched Day 2

Like the bus a buddy, vote a townie, classic maneuver is the epitome of bussing and preventing a lynch.

Have you ever thought someone was classic scum when you were town bro?

this is pretty damning

It’s actually damning to JJD on second glance. There’s plenty of town games that the same thing was said. Don’t know why any of those weren’t brought up.

[Flavor Leaf]

Stop. I’m a mason.

[Flavor Leaf]

Claiming mason. Legit claiming mason.

[Flavor Leaf]

@Ausuka - it’s why i’m playing the way I am. Your IC claim fucked me up yesterday which is why I wanted to go outside the neighborhood so i can read a little more into stuff.

[Flavor Leaf]

My buddy/buddies will eventually claim to prove this. It’s why I’ve been saying I’ll be conf town eventually. Was trying to last a few days, but Ausuka/Wheme on me just equals toxic future.

[Flavor Leaf]

Also, Wheme always pushes me when he’s scum, just saying. This would be like the third time.

[Flavor Leaf]

Stop. I’m a mason.

You had three votes on you...not sure why the claim at this point.

p-edit

Um...how?

You’ve seen me claim under less pressure, PP. i just didn’t want to deal with Ausuka/Wheme on top of JJD/KK, tbh.

You’ve seen how toxic I can get

[Flavor Leaf]

Ausuka vs FL is doing the most, Wheme plays obnoxiously scum to me when he is scum, and JJD/KK I’ve been in a rough 1v2 with.

This was actually a decent amount of pressure, specifically once Ausuka joined in. The fact they’re IC would have lead that even further where even I know we’d have like forty pages of uselessness up until my eventual claim anyways

[Flavor Leaf]

Mason/full town neighbourhood doesn't seem that likely. How do you feel about Wave?

Gut says town, but generally I agree with the mason/full town neighborhood not seeming likely.

However, the vengeful neighbor being in the neighborhood gives me some pause, like they were supposed to shoot town Wave. I feel it’s possible that they’re all town because of the fact it doesn’t seem likely.

[Flavor Leaf]

KK scum read, I’m going back and forth with JJD a right now,

Wheme scum read.

Texcat...is pinging me a little, and when Texcat starts to ping me, she’s usually scum.

[Flavor Leaf]

Town reading Dunn, Gamma Emerald, and PP.

[Flavor Leaf]

Also town reading Mylo, Vaxkiller.

Hopkirk, Golden, and Android I’m getting a bunch of mixed signals from, but i don’t want to deal with any of those three right now. Bigger fish to fry.

[Flavor Leaf]

It’s changing because people have actively been choosing to accept all town neighborhoods lately, i still see it as likely to have the paranoia aspect.

[Flavor Leaf]

@Ausuka - you say mylo is capable as scum. If they are scum, they’ve done nothing here to suggest them being capable. I see them as town who’s just kind of here who has people pushing them, but doesn’t have any reads.

[Flavor Leaf]

When I’m not on my way to work, I’ll search for them. I do have three accounts to check from, so...haha.

[Flavor Leaf]

Claiming mason. Legit claiming mason.

I want the partner claim or I'm considering this fake.

Alright. Consider it fake and deal with it at another time then.

Ausuka even stated it could be false. I tend to do that. But it’ll sort itself out eventually anyways.

[Flavor Leaf]

IC + Masons = @ least 3 modconfirmed town roles.

that's a pretty shitty setup if true.

It’s no different than an IC and a cop in the same game, really.

It’s actually a little weaker.

[Flavor Leaf]

him saying that me not bringing up that he also does it as town makes me scummy even though he's only potentially done it under an alt makes him look shitty tho.

I’ve played a lot of games on this account. I’ve probably done it as town.

To be fair, I, along with a decent amount of others, see my main three accounts as interchangeable, so I forget that they are alts sometimes, and I forget other people don’t see it that way.

[Flavor Leaf]

IC + Masons = @ least 3 modconfirmed town roles.

that's a pretty shitty setup if true.

It’s no different than an IC and a cop in the same game, really.

It’s actually a little weaker.

cop isn't a modconfirmed role.

Neither is mason. Just my mason buddies(y) and I know that it is.

[Flavor Leaf]

IC + Masons = @ least 3 modconfirmed town roles.

that's a pretty shitty setup if true.

It’s no different than an IC and a cop in the same game, really.

It’s actually a little weaker.

cop isn't a modconfirmed role.

Neither is mason. Just my mason buddies(y) and I know that it is.

fair, but it's close to it.

so who's ur partner dude?

That’s not my role to claim. That’s just blatant rolefishing on your part.

[Flavor Leaf]

That’s not my role to claim. That’s just blatant rolefishing on your part.

Can u even call it fishing if I'm outright asking for the role?

I did say blatant. Besides, i didn’t call it scummy. I just called the action out.

I want KK more than you at this time. Like I said before, I’m seeing townie in you.

[Flavor Leaf]

To be precise, i said some fire in you, not specifically townie. Don’t want a “where did you say %#@%#* thing coming up.

[Flavor Leaf]

Why would you want to lynch within masons if a partner claimed?

Based on what you've said (wanting to lynch within masons/neighs)
Either you doubt the claim, in which case you should want to lynch FL.
Or you believe the claim and you should want to lynch Wave.

But you're saying you want a mason partner to claim

then

you want to vote within the 3 people. That definitely doesn't make sense.

I don't see what's so hard to get about it. One of those lynches is probably a mislynch, getting FL's partner to claim helps me determine which it is. I could lynch Wave now, I guess, and leave the second mason unclaimed, but I'd rather lynch more accurately.

So like, correct, I am at work, I did see the claim, and posted my thoughts about it in the mason thread.

I was on my way to work while posting, saw theclaim, had like 10 minutes left, so i made some mason thread posts to deal with later, as I didn’t have time to deal with a potentially big thing.

I was trying to figure out if GROB was town fake claiming mason to try and protect my mason partner(s), which would have been good play, or if he was scum claiming mason, which in this case, he would already know my alignment was town. If i had gone through with accepting that play, and he was scum, he would have been able to kill me off, coast as conf mason buddy and potentially 1v1 with a mason buddy of mine and successfully kill of 2 masons at the price of himself on day 4. That’s an easy trade to make as scum, and very solid play.

Idk if I think that’s what happened after the past few pages, but I needed more to see. I think I’m leaning town there.

All pushing me does right now is out my mason partner.

There are already crumbs out there, not necessarily mine, that will prove it, and there’s zero reason to out that right now.

[Flavor Leaf]

I didn’t mean to quote that.

[Flavor Leaf]

And wavemode scummed the past few pages up. Like holy fuck wave.

[Flavor Leaf]

VOTE: Flavor Leaf

Wait, I'm so confused. So Rob isn't really a mason, he claimed mason with FL just to call FL's bluff, and then FL didn't react? hmm. This changes things.

VOTE: Flavor Leaf

I’m literally at work. Stop being your mislynch bait self please. Also, if I were scum, there would also be ZERO REASON not to react. Hell, there’s even less reasons as scum not to react.

[Flavor Leaf]

There’s literally zero reason for GROB to claim mason to try and test my reactions. If I had flat out called you not my mason, and if I had gone along with it, it literally gives zero info. I would do both of those things as either alignment.

[Flavor Leaf]

Also, @Wave - we won said scum game we were partners for. My process gets results, so i actually feel it’s coming from town you to be more paranoid of it.

Scum you would have stuck harder to the crazy Boon gambits.

And I gambit, by my gambits are generally thought out.

[Flavor Leaf]

And wavemode scummed the past few pages up. Like holy fuck wave.

and just like that the wolf bares its teeth

That was already retracted. You only read what you wanted to read.

[Flavor Leaf]

Regardless of if you buy the claim or not, there is zero town motivation for going towards me today.

All that does is out my partner, which if I wasn’t actually a mason, I’d be caught out anyways.

[Flavor Leaf]

Mason partner doesn't claim today

There's no reason why we have to go after flavor leaf today, if he were lying we'd figure it out eventually and he wouldn't get away

And my biggest town read gets even bigger.

Man, Dunn, your play/perspective in the past few games I’ve played with you have been fire.

[Flavor Leaf]

We’re lynching ON MY WAGON, if a fucking 2nd mason claims.

Like seriously, terrible play y’all doing this game.

Absolulely zero chance of lynching off my wagon. Like, obviously a second mason is claiming if I get pushed today. It’s literally fucking pointless.

It is blatant role fishing, and if you’re town who “needs a second mason to claim” that’s just bad. It’s a fucking mason claim. It’ll come out.

[Flavor Leaf]

If second mason claims,
I will hard defend Mylo, because Mylo is obv town.

If a second mason claims, I’m coming after Penguin or Wheme.

Hell, I’m coming after them anyways.

VOTE: PenguinPower

You scum claimed in that last post. Coming from the KK wagon (which I have posted my doubts about in my mason thread), votes me and tries to out the other mason, and then says if a second mason claims, we go on Mylo.

We should never go Mylo specifically because of that.

There is zero town motivation in a second mason claiming and then just accepting it after that.


@Penguin - you say if it was anyone else, you’d agree, then why isn’t JJD and Lalendra scummy to you? Those aren’t the reasons they are doing it.

If my second mason claims, they essentially become tonight’s night kill.

[Flavor Leaf]

Sigh. Flavor Leaf is not a mason. It seems unlikely that the game contains masons AND neighbors, possibly but unlikely. It's not possible that FL's first claim is his true role. Just go look at his meta. He makes many claims during a game and I don't think the first one has ever been true. I've never understood the motivation for doing this, but I don't think it necessarily means he's scum.

@KK - my mason partner is in your weak town/town pile.

Like honestly, you guys aren’t fucking me over by doing this, you’re fucking over my partner.

[Flavor Leaf]

Didn’t mean to quote Texcat.

[Flavor Leaf]

I had Ausuka/JJD/Wheme/Lalendra/KK votes implied, and there were 3 on the time, and it was going to grow.

There’s also zero motivation as scum to claim mason there.

The reverse is just as true, if not more true than what you are saying

[Flavor Leaf]

It’s already INCREDIBLY obvious who my partner is, look at the crumbs, look at the reactions, and move on.

[Flavor Leaf]

There is zero chance there isn’t at least 2 scum in

JJD, Golden Rob, PP, Lalendra, Wave, Wheme, and I will power lynch my way through after the mason claim comes through.

Hint, I will not be going after JJD or Wave.

[Flavor Leaf]

Sigh. Flavor Leaf is not a mason. It seems unlikely that the game contains masons AND neighbors, possibly but unlikely. It's not possible that FL's first claim is his true role. Just go look at his meta. He makes many claims during a game and I don't think the first one has ever been true. I've never understood the motivation for doing this, but I don't think it necessarily means he's scum.

First one’s been true a bunch of times. Sometimes I change it and he second or third ones aren’t true. But the first ones have been true a bunch of times.

Also been through games with being the only one who hadn’t claimed.

I play every game in the moment. :shrug: it gets results.

Everytime you’ve been scum in a game with me Texcat, I caught you out.

[Flavor Leaf]

Which does give you townie points for stating you think it doesn’t make me scum. That’s technically defending me despite not believing the mason claim (which is kind of ridiculous at this point, because the only option if I get pushed is for the mason to claim. There’s literally zero reason for it not to happen, which is why we WILL be lynching off of my wagon or feel the wrath of Boon coming for this game.

[Flavor Leaf]

Didnt you guys like it better when I was lurking more?

[Flavor Leaf]

My partners gonna claim, KK.

I’m just sad they had to claim because I don’t want them to be night killed.

[Flavor Leaf]

I’d rather be night killed than have my partner be killed, but there’s no way they won’t be night killed over Ausuka or myself.

I’d say all protections should be on my partner when they claim. They deserve it.

[Flavor Leaf]

I don’t have scum reads on you or KK.

I get in 1v1’s to get accurate reads on the people around me.

Gets results.

Reaction test player. And through it, I started town reading the two of you.

So no, the reads did not suck, it brought me to a good point.

[Flavor Leaf]

Uhh. Flavor Leaf. Maybe you should stop appealing to emotion and night-action directing at this point. Let others post for a bit.

Nope. I’m going to continue doing it. My partner shouldn’t be night killed, and you’ll want them protected as well.

[Flavor Leaf]

Uhh. Flavor Leaf. Maybe you should stop appealing to emotion and night-action directing at this point. Let others post for a bit.

You also complained about me lurking out, so this is what you get.

[Flavor Leaf]

@JJD - I’m not even voting KK, and that’s not where I’d want you to go.

I’ve stated I want the lynch on my wagon, KK is not on my wagon, and I stated I don’t want you.

[Flavor Leaf]

It’s already INCREDIBLY obvious who my partner is, look at the crumbs, look at the reactions, and move on.

If it's incredibly obvious then it makes absolutely ZERO sense to not out it now.

It’s not my role to claim. They’re probably making a post right now.

[Flavor Leaf]

I would take the lynch before I outed my mason partner. They’re just going to claim to get things moving.

[Flavor Leaf]

It’s already INCREDIBLY obvious who my partner is, look at the crumbs, look at the reactions, and move on.

If it's incredibly obvious then it makes absolutely ZERO sense to not out it now.

In fact it makes more sense now since presumably scum can figure out the crumbs and then they'd know but town wouldn't.

It’s happening. Like, it’s happening. They’ll claim. Like I said, they’re probably typing up a long post right now with some analysis.

[Flavor Leaf]

It’s already INCREDIBLY obvious who my partner is, look at the crumbs, look at the reactions, and move on.

If it's incredibly obvious then it makes absolutely ZERO sense to not out it now.

In fact it makes more sense now since presumably scum can figure out the crumbs and then they'd know but town wouldn't.

I agree with this, though. If that helps.

[Flavor Leaf]

It’s already INCREDIBLY obvious who my partner is, look at the crumbs, look at the reactions, and move on.

If it's incredibly obvious then it makes absolutely ZERO sense to not out it now.

It’s not my role to claim. They’re probably making a post right now.

Probably? You haven't discussed whether or not he/she should claim in ur private thread?


pedit: ok I guess

We have. They brought up like as I claimed mason that if I needed to, I could claim them. They also stated that they should probably claim because nothings really happening and this town is slow at doing things, so we’ll need the remaining time.

[Flavor Leaf]

I’m also town reading this Scion fella.

[Flavor Leaf]

If second mason claims, I will hard defend Mylo, because Mylo is obv town.

My partners gonna claim, KK

I would take the lynch before I outed my mason partner. They’re just going to claim to get things moving.

It’s happening. Like, it’s happening. They’ll claim. Like I said, they’re probably typing up a long post right now with some analysis.

We have. They brought up like as I claimed mason that if I needed to, I could claim them. They also stated that they should probably claim because nothings really happening and this town is slow at doing things, so we’ll need the remaining time.

I feel like FL is just begging for a townie to gambit fake claim here. I'd be pretty surprised if we get a legit claim at this point.

I mean, when they claim, you’ll be able to go back and check things.

If I was fake claiming and hoping for it, I’d have already fake claimed Gamma Emerald as my mason partner. He’s not, but I almost did this anyways, hoping Gamma would see I’m town and go along with it. (He’s actually been town before and claimed masons with me, but I was scum) so I’d love to eventually be fake masons as town with my buddy, Gamma.

But Gamma isn’t my partner.

[Flavor Leaf]

I need to stop readin, will be back in an hour.

Flavor - why didn't you vote in the neighborhood D1. Didn't you suspect it is likely scum would be in the hood since you are mason?

No. I actually think there isn’t scum in he neighborhood, despite Wave’s play his day phase.

Me being a mason is exactly why i wanted the neighborhood to be left alone for a bit so i could analyze more.

The vengeful modifier in the neighborhood, along with masons and IC in the Neighbor is basically begging that Vengeful to shoot Wave, and from a setup design perspective, I can’t see that slot being scum really. I also town read Wave, and right now I’m probably just seeing Wave as scummy out of spite for being obnoxious.

Wave’s still on my wagon, and i wouldn’t mind lynching there, but I’m gonna go after the other people, but i would join Wave if need be, if that makes sense.

[Flavor Leaf]

If I was fake claiming and hoping for it, I’d have already fake claimed Gamma Emerald as my mason partner. He’s not, but

I almost did this anyways

, hoping Gamma would see I’m town and go along with it. (He’s actually been town before and claimed masons with me, but I was scum) so I’d love to eventually be fake masons as town with my buddy, Gamma.

I thought you were at work and just didn't have time to respond to the fake claim?

I don’t understand what you mean by that?

That had nothing to do with the fake claim by GROB. I can check up on site at work, I have downtime, but i can’t really be getting ultra invested so sometimes I gotta check out as I did there. But I came back within a few hours.

Gamma and I are just buds, and he knows how I work as scum better than the majority of the people in this game. We’ve fooled each other as scum, sure, but that just helps out. Gamma followed me onto KK earlier. He wouldn’t have done that if he didn’t see me as more likely town.

I’ve already thrown this out the window. He’s not my mason.

[Flavor Leaf]

Sigh. Flavor Leaf is not a mason. It seems unlikely that the game contains masons AND neighbors, possibly but unlikely. It's not possible that FL's first claim is his true role. Just go look at his meta. He makes many claims during a game and I don't think the first one has ever been true. I've never understood the motivation for doing this, but I don't think it necessarily means he's scum.

First one’s been true a bunch of times. Sometimes I change it and he second or third ones aren’t true. But the first ones have been true a bunch of times.

Also been through games with being the only one who hadn’t claimed.

I play every game in the moment. :shrug: it gets results.

Everytime you’ve been scum in a game with me Texcat, I caught you out.

OK, I stand corrected. You might be a mason. Or you might not. I wouldn't bet the ranch, or the house either way. I might be willing to bet the outhouse than you're not a mason though.

I don't remember ever making it even close to end game as scum, so I completely believe that you've caught me every time.

I wanna be scum with you one day. You’re someone I’ve actually played a good amount of games with, modded some games you were in, yet never really interacted with more than a few things.

[Flavor Leaf]

UNVOTE:

Can we please look over my wagon? Haha.

Specifically GROB, Penguin, Lalendra, Wheme.

[Flavor Leaf]

@Hopkirk - Just to verify. You are claiming mason with Flavor Leaf?

Do you realize that Flavor Leaf has no "u" in his name?

If I was from the UK, I would, though.

[Flavor Leaf]

can't tell if FL was at work or silently ignoring my gambit

What did you expect to get out of it? If you aren't actually the partner he knows that.

What were you trying to tell with the question you asked me Robster?

This post killed me earlier

[Flavor Leaf]

You didn't answer my "Why is Myloninja13 town?" question, Flavor Leaf.

He was hard day 1 mislynch bait.

If we go Mylo, I’d rather give it a day or so because it can bait scum better later in the game.

I highly doubt Mylo as scum will be able to Kubla Khan...sorry will be able to coast through this game at this point anyways. Just give it a day or two.

[Flavor Leaf]

@Hopkirk - Just to verify. You are claiming mason with Flavor Leaf?

Do you realize that Flavor Leaf has no "u" in his name?

Hard claiming the mason I've been subtly crumbing since early D1. Yep.
I mixed between U and no U because I'm British. That wasn't part of the crumb.

Ok thank you. That's actually a relief because now I can ignore all the paranoia surrounding Flavor Leaf and actually listen to him.

Do you see why I didn’t want to claim my partner, though.

I don’t want him to die.

[Flavor Leaf]

So what’s the play guys? Idk if Hopkirk town reads KK, but I town read you two. I also have solid town reads on Gamma and Dunn.

I’d prefer not to go on Mylo today because I feel scum has been setting that up for after the second mason claimed.

[Flavor Leaf]

I would like to go Penguin or GROB today. Lalendra could be scum, but like Mylo, I think that’s better for another day.

[Flavor Leaf]

I would like to go Penguin or GROB today. Lalendra could be scum, but like Mylo, I think that’s better for another day.

You have a very weak reason to scum read me based on my history with you, and you know it.

If we can get a GR wagon going, I will be glad to lynch that.

Mylo is scum though.

VOTE: Golden Rob

Fair point, but I’m scum reading you based on more than just things dealing with me. However, I’m willing to reevaluate.

[Flavor Leaf]

Whishy washy stances, including on me, the hard Mylo push, the trajectory of your vote path.