I can very much relate to this!In post 33, osuka wrote:VOTE: wavemodeif i got a nickel for every time i was called 'asuka' on here, i could probably make a job out of it
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I can very much relate to this!In post 33, osuka wrote:VOTE: wavemodeif i got a nickel for every time i was called 'asuka' on here, i could probably make a job out of it
In post 98, Almost50 wrote:So, my revised scum team is Creature+Android+Fumuki+Hopkirk+Mylo
Game solved!!
hot take: this is the real scumteam, and almost50 is their traitor.In post 99, Almost50 wrote:CHILLAX! Now half the town thinks I'm too scummy to be scum, and the other half thinks I'm a troll worthy of a PL. Either way, I get flipped and they won't ever guess I named the whole of my scum team for real, so even if one of you flips the others get TR'd for it.
He's Creature. He's not interested. His response to the wagon will be easily sortable. His flip could either support or disprove the Almost theory. What more evidence is needed?
Fun fact; generally you can find roughly the number of scum in a game by dividing the number of players by 4.5.In post 123, Charles510 wrote:I'm sure my vote will change as I get better actual reads on people as the day goes on.
Question: In this setup do we know exactly how many town Vs. how many scum are in the game?
Yep, and I've explained why I believe there is a traitor. Do you actually scumread me for this?In post 128, Kublai Khan wrote:Huh. Second time Ausuka is mentioning a traitor.
Yeah ok maybe I'm just wrong. I don't think this applies to mountainous but it does apply to a normal setup- you always get the normal number of scum - 0.25 and 25/4=6.25 so maybe there are just 6 scum, that would make sense. iirc mafia games get more scumsided the more players there are, though, so it's still POSSIBLE we have a traitor, just not as likely as I thought.In post 130, osuka wrote:If you divide the player count by 4, you get a closer number to what you would expect from a vanilla mafia vs vanilla townies setup. I don’t think we should be talking setup right now but I feel like it’s obvious there’s 5-6 scum
actually dont think i'll get prodded before then so ignore this i'm stupid sorry
no?In post 522, Scioness Sajj wrote:didn't you scumread those people for agreeing with you?In post 434, Ausuka wrote:i gave reasoning for why i believed there was a traitor and it would've made sense if almost was it. iirc people agreed with me at the time. sure it could potentially be seen as a traitor signal but there's also blatant town reasoning for doing that i've already mentioned which is being totally ignored in favour of a scum narrative
you don't believe your theory is plausible anymore?
4/6 is very optimistic.In post 769, osuka wrote: those are names i want to discuss more. i expect at least 4 of those to be scum
Feel pretty confident there's 0 scum in {perf, a50, hopkirk} but idk how to explain that to you. I played with perf on my old account as both scum and town and I don't think I ever read him incorrectly, but he's massive mislynch bait in general, partially because his tone is awkward and unnatural to most people? I don't know exactly. Join me on Rampage? I feel like he's likely scum jumping on your wagon.
Osuka really doesn't feel like he's trying to get lynched for his buddies' towncred + doesn't look like he's trying to set up good associatives either. Really just feels like he's scumhunting genuinely.In post 815, JarJarDrinks wrote:Why do u think it's obvious neither thing is happening?In post 805, Ausuka wrote:@jarjar; osuka read is gut/tone + the fact scum lynches don't happen d1 without bussing or town being in control. seems pretty obvious neither are the case here.
By dominating I mean on the path to an easy win. Like if town has many accurate townreads and many null/suspected players are scum getting caught and town are working together.In post 819, Creature wrote:or the dominating town is just plain wrong.In post 817, Ausuka wrote:town aren't dominating.
Rampage of course. FL, Kublai, Jarjar are my scumleans. There are likely plenty of inactive scum, but that goes for every game. Wavemode for me is a top choice among them but it's hard to tell.In post 823, Creature wrote:From the 30+ posters, do you have any scumread there?In post 820, Ausuka wrote:By dominating I mean on the path to an easy win. Like if town has many accurate townreads and many null/suspected players are scum getting caught and town are working together.In post 819, Creature wrote:or the dominating town is just plain wrong.In post 817, Ausuka wrote:town aren't dominating.
Meh this is fair enough, osuka could be scum getting bussed and fighting back, but I find the way in which he's doing that towny; he seems genuinely trying to sort scum on his wagon rather than any other kind of motivation.In post 835, JarJarDrinks wrote:Scum dont try to get themselves lynched (without a really great reason). Sure a busser may try to push the lynch hard but the bussee is gonna try to stay alive obv.In post 817, Ausuka wrote:Osuka really doesn't feel like he's trying to get lynched for his buddies' towncredIn post 815, JarJarDrinks wrote:Why do u think it's obvious neither thing is happening?In post 805, Ausuka wrote:@jarjar; osuka read is gut/tone + the fact scum lynches don't happen d1 without bussing or town being in control. seems pretty obvious neither are the case here.
By fighting and distancing with one another. Scum do this. He seems more concerned with lynching scum in general than making people look good with his flip.In post 835, JarJarDrinks wrote:Teach me how u one can figure this out on day one w/ no flips. How would scum go about setting up good associatives?In post 817, Ausuka wrote:+ doesn't look like he's trying to set up good associatives either.
That is basically the essense of a gut/toneread. I guess I should start using "good feels" instead because that's clearer? idkIn post 835, JarJarDrinks wrote:Oh? That seems like something you maybe should have mentioned when explaining ur townread instead just saying it was gut and doenst feel lika a bus.In post 817, Ausuka wrote:Really just feels like he's scumhunting genuinely.
Yes. Townies scumread people scumreading them more than people not scumreading them. Not to mention there are, very likely, several scum on his wagon.In post 836, Kublai Khan wrote:His 6 scumreads are all on his wagon and you think he's genuinely scum-hunting?In post 817, Ausuka wrote:Osuka really doesn't feel like he's trying to get lynched for his buddies' towncred + doesn't look like he's trying to set up good associatives either. Really just feels like he's scumhunting genuinely.
Oh? What have I been doing to disrupt town cohesion?In post 837, Kublai Khan wrote:Getting strong scum-vibes from you Ausuka. You're not trying to help or add to any town cohesion, you're just attempting to disrupt it.In post 817, Ausuka wrote:The second one is something that's hard to explain in words? but it should be obvious just from the gamestate, the lack of a clear PoE, and the fact that even if osuka was to be scum, he's just being bussed and there are likely 5 we don't know about. just seems blatantly obvious that this is a normal game and town aren't dominating.
Yes, not all 6 are going to be scum. He said there were likely 4, I even pointed out myself that was optimistic. That doesn't mean it comes from scum.In post 844, Kublai Khan wrote:But all 6? Out of a wagon of 9? That's ridiculous numbers.In post 841, Ausuka wrote:Yes. Townies scumread people scumreading them more than people not scumreading them. Not to mention there are, very likely, several scum on his wagon.In post 836, Kublai Khan wrote:His 6 scumreads are all on his wagon and you think he's genuinely scum-hunting?In post 817, Ausuka wrote:Osuka really doesn't feel like he's trying to get lynched for his buddies' towncred + doesn't look like he's trying to set up good associatives either. Really just feels like he's scumhunting genuinely.
I'm saying that Osuka is town and genuinely trying to find scum, yes. I don't agree with all of his reads and I'm not saying he's some god of townplay if that's what you're trying to imply, but I do think that he's town and the fact that he's the only wagon currently is problematic.In post 844, Kublai Khan wrote:You're painting a picture that Osuka is thoughtfully scum-reading the game.
Or I'm just town defending a townread? Like, there's nothing to make that less likely than me being scum whiteknighting osuka. Also I'm not saying anyone's building associative tells? I'm saying osuka specifically isn't doing that.In post 844, Kublai Khan wrote:If anything, is Osuka were to flip town, *you're* the one building a good associative tell of trying to rescue him.
So because there are 2/3 townies on a wagon on town (which I mean is itself debateable. I townread four of those players and some of those TRs are fairly weak. There are nine players on the wagon.) that means I shouldn't make a counterwagon?In post 844, Kublai Khan wrote:Well, the thing I quoted and the fact that you suddenly are trying very hard to disrupt the Osuka-wagon and start a counter-wagon. You've noted 3 out of 9 to be scum-reads for you, which means there's still 6 townies there. So even if you are town and 100% correct, it's still the biggest cohesive town effort all game and you're disrupting it.In post 841, Ausuka wrote:Oh? What have I been doing to disrupt town cohesion?In post 837, Kublai Khan wrote:Getting strong scum-vibes from you Ausuka. You're not trying to help or add to any town cohesion, you're just attempting to disrupt it.In post 817, Ausuka wrote:The second one is something that's hard to explain in words? but it should be obvious just from the gamestate, the lack of a clear PoE, and the fact that even if osuka was to be scum, he's just being bussed and there are likely 5 we don't know about. just seems blatantly obvious that this is a normal game and town aren't dominating.
My justification for pushing my reads is that I want to wagon and lynch scum.In post 844, Kublai Khan wrote: You've pointed to nothing that justifies your sudden "take-charge" attitude except that I put a ninth vote. Making a lynch a viable thing. Now suddenly Osuka is a "gut town-read who is genuinely scum-hunting" (paraphased) and we all must go after active lurkers.
Because I don't think the way you are interacting is indicative of scumbuddies trying to bus each other. Specifically I think that if you're scum with osuka Osuka doesn't make the performer push the way he has been doing.In post 846, JarJarDrinks wrote:I asked you how would scum set up associatives and you said "By fighting and distancing with one another". Why isnt that what osuka and I are doing?In post 843, Ausuka wrote:Yes, you have been scumreading each other, that doesn't mean his focus has been on creating good associative with you.
https://forum.mafiascum.net/memberlist. ... le&u=25801In post 909, Performer wrote: -ausuka, who are you? You played with me before?
I still think this is FL scum tbh. This reminds me of penguin mafia because the stuff he's talking about with Performer is buzzwordy and isn't there. I think he is actually more readable when he's active though.In post 913, Flavor Leaf wrote:Also, Performer is hardcore projecting in that last post, and trajectory setting up.
Yeah, any meta from my old account isn't going to be helpful, and meta from this account will be. I just provided the link because you (performer) asked.In post 916, Flavor Leaf wrote:There’s plenty of games they’ve played to look up some meta if you want.
neighbourhoods are NAI. I'm not scumreading wave because I'm in a hood with him and a townread, I scumread him based on play.In post 1019, Hopkirk wrote:Why didn't you push Wave when you were townreading Performer?
Well I think it is to some extent, yeah, although it's more the ungenuine AtE that comes along with it that I find scummy.In post 1030, Gamma Emerald wrote:Are you arguing that claiming VT unprovoked is scummy?In post 1023, Ausuka wrote:I could be wrong but like I think there's plenty of potential for 3 town neighbourhood in a 25p game.
As a sidenote it's probably mechanically optimal to lynch in {rampage, wavemode} because they've both claimed VT. (completely unprovoked)
PRs can be in neighbourhoods too you know...In post 1040, wavemode wrote:wait... what?In post 1033, Ausuka wrote:Well I think it is to some extent, yeah, although it's more the ungenuine AtE that comes along with it that I find scummy.In post 1030, Gamma Emerald wrote:Are you arguing that claiming VT unprovoked is scummy?In post 1023, Ausuka wrote:I could be wrong but like I think there's plenty of potential for 3 town neighbourhood in a 25p game.
As a sidenote it's probably mechanically optimal to lynch in {rampage, wavemode} because they've both claimed VT. (completely unprovoked)
You're the one who told everyone I'm a Town neighbor lmao
*outs my role*
"wavemode is scummy for outing his role"
Sorry this cracked me up more than it should have
Uhhh what game was this? Not that scum!you would lie about something this trivial but I don't remember itIn post 1114, Gamma Emerald wrote: ausuka can back me up on the one: there was a game where there was one guy suspected as the one scum in a hood and he skated by the whole game despite that
Oh right. I didn't think of that because of tw and von's TvT; I never thought of profii as suspected very much but yeah it is true that profii was suspected and got by because of shiny ML bait.In post 1118, Gamma Emerald wrote:Mafia monthIn post 1115, Ausuka wrote:Uhhh what game was this? Not that scum!you would lie about something this trivial but I don't remember itIn post 1114, Gamma Emerald wrote: ausuka can back me up on the one: there was a game where there was one guy suspected as the one scum in a hood and he skated by the whole game despite that
In post 1120, Gamma Emerald wrote:wait I thought von was the scum in the hood? w/e I guess I'm right even if I'm wrong?
The things that made me think he is the best vote areIn post 1224, Kublai Khan wrote:That is a pointless answer.In post 1221, Ausuka wrote:read on wavemode changed when I looked at his ISO and thought "oh he's scummier than I thought"
WHAT SPECIFICALLYwas it about his posts that made you think: "Oh, only someone with a mafia PM would post this way".