Dreamland (NY214 Mod/Dead Thread)

[Pine]

Dead/Replaced Players

dramonic
Elbirn
Flubbernugget
Inferno390
HitAlt
xyzzy
Almost50
Profii
Gamma Emerald
MagnaofIllusion
Taly
Kokichi Oma
HeWhoSwims
Skygazer

Spectators

Aristophanes (Backup Mod)
implosion (Listmod)
Firebringer (Reviewer)
mastina (Reviewer)
James Brafin

[Pine]

Setup:

17 Players - 12 Town, 4 Mafia, 1 Serial Killer


Vengeful Townie
Detective
Psychologist
Hider
Loyal Fruit Vendor
Loud Doctor
Visitor
Informed Townie: You know that all roles, aside from any VTs, have some element to them which was recently white-listed.
2-shot Activated Bulletproof Townie
3 VTs


Mafia Prime-Number-Night Jailkeeper (1 is not a prime number. 2, 3, 5, 7 are)
Mafia Disloyal Fruit Vendor
Mafia Ninja
Mafia Goon

1-shot BP Multitasking 2-shot Tracker Serial Killer

[Pine]

Randomized playerlist with roles inserted:

Chickadee - Vengeful Townie
<DEAD> Gamma Emerald

HitAlt

- Detective
Nosferatu

Andrius

Gustavo

- Psychologist
<DEAD> xyzzy - Hider
Ausuka - Loyal Fruit Vendor
Raskolnikov - Loud Doctor
Jingle

Inferno390

- Visitor
HeWhoSwims - Informed Townie
brassherald - 2-shot Activated Bulletproof Townie
Irrelephant

Taly

davesaz

- VT
<DEAD> Almost50

Elbirn

- VT
<DEAD> Flubbernugget - VT
<DEAD> dramonic - Mafia Prime-numbered Jailkeeper
<DEAD> Kokichi Oma

MagnaofIllusion

- Mafia Disloyal Fruit Vendor
Skygazer - Mafia Ninja
<DEAD> Profii - Mafia Goon
the worst - 1-shot Bulletproof Multitasking 2-shot Tracker Serial Killer

[Pine]

Welcome to New York 214: Project Pinecone! Here's your role information:

You are a

Vengeful Townie

. You have no special powers until and unless you are lynched. At that time, the game will enter twilight, and you will have 24 hours to submit a name to me by PM. That player will be killed.

Win Condition: You win if the town eliminates all opposing factions. At least one member of your faction must survive.

Please /confirm by PM. Day One will be started after 15/17 players have confirmed.

Welcome to New York 214: Project Pinecone! Here's your role information:

You are a

Town Detective

. Each night, you may submit a name to me for investigation. If they have attempted to kill someone this game, successful or not, you will be informed of this fact. Resolves after kills.

Win Condition: You win if the town eliminates all opposing factions. At least one member of your faction must survive.

Please /confirm by PM. Day One will be started after 15/17 players have confirmed.

Welcome to New York 214: Project Pinecone! Here's your role information:

You are a

Town Psychologist

. Each night, you may submit a name to me for investigation to determine if they are capable of killing anyone. If they have already killed someone or attempted to kill someone, this will return a negative result. Resolves after kills.

Win Condition: You win if the town eliminates all opposing factions. At least one member of your faction must survive.

Please /confirm by PM. Day One will be started after 15/17 players have confirmed.

Welcome to New York 214: Project Pinecone! Here's your role information:

You are a

Town Hider

. Each night, you may choose someone to hide behind. While hiding, you are immune to all kills targeted at you. However, should the player you are hiding behind die, you will also die. Please note that this is not the more-common Weak Hider, and as such you do not automatically die if you hide behind non-Town.

Win Condition: You win if the town eliminates all opposing factions. At least one member of your faction must survive.

Please /confirm by PM. Day One will be started after 15/17 players have confirmed.

Welcome to New York 214: Project Pinecone! Here's your role information:

You are a

Town Loyal Fruit Vendor

. Each night, you may send me a name. If that player belongs to your faction, they will receive a random piece of fruit. This fruit serves no discernible function.

Win Condition: You win if the town eliminates all opposing factions. At least one member of your faction must survive.

Please /confirm by PM. Day One will be started after 15/17 players have confirmed.

Welcome to New York 214: Project Pinecone! Here's your role information:

You are a

Town Loud Doctor

. Each night, you may send me a name. That player will be protected from all night kills that night. If your action resolves, your target will be informed that you visited them, but not what you did.

Win Condition: You win if the town eliminates all opposing factions. At least one member of your faction must survive.

Please /confirm by PM. Day One will be started after 15/17 players have confirmed.

Welcome to New York 214: Project Pinecone! Here's your role information:

You are a

Town Visitor

. Each night, you may send me a name. You will visit that player, but your visitation will have no discernible effect.

Win Condition: You win if the town eliminates all opposing factions. At least one member of your faction must survive.

Please /confirm by PM. Day One will be started after 15/17 players have confirmed.

Welcome to New York 214: Project Pinecone! Here's your role information:

You are an

Informed Townie

. You have no special powers, but know the following:

All roles in this game, aside from Vanilla Townies and/or Mafia Goons, have some element to them which was recently whitelisted for Normal games.

The moderator will not publicly confirm this information. What you do with it is up to you.

Win Condition: You win if the town eliminates all opposing factions. At least one member of your faction must survive.

Please /confirm by PM. Day One will be started after 15/17 players have confirmed.

Welcome to New York 214: Project Pinecone! Here's your role information:

You are a

Town 2-shot Activated Bulletproof Townie

. Each night, you may choose to activate your power. If you do, you will be protected from all night kills targeting you that night. You may use this power twice only.

Win Condition: You win if the town eliminates all opposing factions. At least one member of your faction must survive.

Please /confirm by PM. Day One will be started after 15/17 players have confirmed.

Welcome to New York 214: Project Pinecone! Here's your role information:

You are a

Mafia Prime-Number-Night Jailkeeper

. On nights identified with a prime number (note: 1 is not a prime number), you may send me a name. That player will be roleblocked and protected from all kills that night. Please note that, per Normal guidelines, you may not execute your power on the same night you execute your factional kill.

You have access to a Private Thread with your faction, found here. Additional information on your factional composition may be found there. You may communicate with your team at any time.

Win Condition: You win if the your team eliminates all opposing factions. At least one member of your faction must survive.

Please /confirm by PM. Day One will be started after 15/17 players have confirmed.

Welcome to New York 214: Project Pinecone! Here's your role information:

You are a

Mafia Disloyal Fruit Vendor

. Each night, you may send me a name. If that player does not belong to your faction, they will receive a random piece of fruit. This fruit serves no discernible function. Please note that, per Normal guidelines, you may not execute your power on the same night you execute your factional kill.

You have access to a Private Thread with your faction, found here. Additional information on your factional composition may be found there. You may communicate with your team at any time.

Win Condition: You win if the your team eliminates all opposing factions. At least one member of your faction must survive.

Please /confirm by PM. Day One will be started after 15/17 players have confirmed.

Welcome to New York 214: Project Pinecone! Here's your role information:

You are a

Mafia Ninja

. You may execute your team's factional kill, and may not be observed while doing so.

You have access to a Private Thread with your faction, found here. Additional information on your factional composition may be found there. You may communicate with your team at any time.

Win Condition: You win if the your team eliminates all opposing factions. At least one member of your faction must survive.

Please /confirm by PM. Day One will be started after 15/17 players have confirmed.

Welcome to New York 214: Project Pinecone! Here's your role information:

You are a

Mafia Goon

. You have no special powers, though you may execute your team's factional kill.

You have access to a Private Thread with your faction, found here. Additional information on your factional composition may be found there. You may communicate with your team at any time.

Win Condition: You win if the your team eliminates all opposing factions. At least one member of your faction must survive.

Please /confirm by PM. Day One will be started after 15/17 players have confirmed.

Welcome to New York 214: Project Pinecone! Here's your role information:

You are a

1-shot Bulletproof Multitasking 2-shot Tracker Serial Killer

. ach night, you may execute a factional kill. Twice per game, you may also send me a name. You will follow that player and learn whom they target, if anyone. As you have the Multitasking modifier, you may still make your factional kill while taking this action. Finally, the first night kill which would resolve upon you this game will be nullified. You will not be informed should this occur.

You have access to a Private Thread for your notes, found here. You may use it at any time.

Win Condition: You win if the your team eliminates all opposing factions. At least one member of your faction must survive.

Please /confirm by PM. Day One will be started after 15/17 players have confirmed.

[Pine]

Chick, mediating arguments is NAI because scum doesn't have to reason about alignment to be able to do it.

Why would scum not just do so in a PT though.

I tend to see mediating arguments coming from town 9 times out of 10.

For the record, I disagree with this. I try to keep the peace regardless of my alignment.

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I find claiming the Jailkeeper to be quite risky. No one's called him on it yet, but Jailkeeper tends to be more of a scum role, in the same sense that Roleblocker is. In light of its apparent success, though, the claim was ballsy and well-executed.

I held my breath there a bit when reading the "Is this Normal?" discussion, because the answer is unequivocally "Yes." This game is designed to be a bit experimental, and is intended to stress-test the new Normal guidelines. Role Madness isn't usually something you associate with Normals, but there's only three VTs and one Goon.

This is an entertaining game to read so far.

[Pine]

Subject: NY214: Project Pinecone (Day One)

What a way to coach your scumbuddies in the game thread - splendid!

Why bother? There's daytalk.

This scumtell kind of went the way of the dodo when daytalk became standard.

[Pine]

Daytalk is essentially equivalent to a decent scum PR *if utilized properly*

There are games where I was able to use daytalk to completely run the game. Depends on your partners.

[Pine]

Night One Actions

(Will be updated as they come in)

xyzzy - Hides behind Taly
brassherald - Activates Bulletproof status, 1/2 remaining

HitAlt - Investigates the worst (this will return a positive result)

Rask loudly heals HitAlt

(HitAlt will receive another notification)

Ausuka gives a fruit to Rask, successful

(Rask will receive a banana)

Original Roll String: 1d6 (STATIC)

1 6-Sided Dice: (3) = 3

Skygazer ninja kills the worst <BLOCKED, tw is no longer bulletproof>

MoI vends a fruit to Andrius (Andrius ALSO receives a banana)

Original Roll String: 1d6 (STATIC)

1 6-Sided Dice: (3) = 3

the worst stabs dramonic (dramonic dies)

the worst tracks Taly (Taly goes nowhere)

Inferno visits dramonic (Nothing happens)

Andrius analyzes Chickadee, finds her capable of killing

[Pine]

Hi Flubber. Personally, I consider your lynch the worst kind of lurkerlynch. It was EOD, ill-considered, scum-driven, and not very informative. The upside is that you're one of the few VTs, so there isn't a mechanical loss for Town. If HitAlt had been lynched, that would have been a blow for Town, especially as he's about to identify the SK.

[Pine]

For reference:

Fruit distribution table
1=Apple
2=Pear
3=Banana
4=Bunch of grapes
5=Orange
6=Peach

[Pine]

Oooooh, spicy. Looks like Mafia is going to shoot our SK. This will make the HitAlt guilty on him absolutely damning, as when he claims Vig, there won't be a second kill to point to.

[Pine]

Night 1 notifications:

HitAlt

In the night, you put together the clues surrounding

the worst

, and come to the unmistakable conclusion that he

has indeed attempted murder

!

Unrelated to this conclusion, you have also determined that

Raskolnikov visited you

, but his intentions are unclear.



Raskolnikov

A courier arrived in the night, bearing a mysteriouly-giftwrapped

banana

. You are not sure what, if any, purpose it serves.



Andrius

As things settle down following Pine's outburst and murderous rage, you settle down on the couch with

Chickadee

, and the ensuing conversation allows you to professionally analyze her. As the discussion progresses, you come to the unmistakable conclusion that

she is indeed capable of murder

!

Unrelated, a courier arrived in the night, bearing a mysteriouly-giftwrapped

banana

. You are not sure what, if any, purpose it serves.


dramonic

As things settle down following Pine's outburst and murderous rage, you brew some coffee. Alone in the kitchen, you do not hear someone sneak up behind you until the knife enters your back.

You have

died

! The mod/dead thread is now open to you.



the worst

Wiping dramonic's blood from your knife, you settle in to watch Taly for the night. Unfortunately, he

did not go anywhere

, so far as you can tell.

[Pine]

Welcome dram ^^

Sorry you died. Jailkeeper is one of my favorite roles, and I was looking forward to the Prime-Night modifier in action.

TW sneaked in just under the wire with his kill. Things would have gone very differently had he forgotten. We'd have had no death, and HitAlt's investigation would have been clean. That may have changed the game.

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Taly may have been wrong about dram, but his current Townbloc and Townleans are 100% correct. Impressive when you consider the current ratio is 11:3:1, and he's got 8/11.

Shame he likely does not have the clout to push that Townbloc to victory.

[Pine]

Well, the fact that TW shot scum is going to work in his favor. If he doesn't out his result before dying, it may die with him. HitAlt is sure to be a priority target for your team now. That said, Rask protected him N1 and may continue to do so with the partial claim out there.

Things may also hinge on whether your buddies guess that TW was a 1-shot BP, or assume he was Doctored, or Sky was blocked.

[Pine]

I'm delighted to have someone to actually discuss this game with...it's been quite interesting to spectate. Implosion, Firebringer, Mastina, and Aristophanes all have access, but I'm not sure any of them are actually following along.

[Pine]

This fencing between Hit and tw is excellent. They're both giving away a lot more than they think though.

[Pine]

Subject: NY214: Project Pinecone (Day Two)

I lold'

[Pine]

From the scum PT:

I think a few people are very close to solving and I also see a lot of really off reads/solves

I do think that we hit a huge setback and that night actions will play a huge part in game solving later on so MoI if there's any kind of result/claim/whatever I can fake in the game thread to muddy the waters without getting one of us lynched I'd love to hear it

I think this is half of an excellent analysis. She's missing the fact that a Town with both near-solves and off reads can be tipped if you surgically eliminate the good reads. She's also missing that an exceptional night for PRs means most of them are now outed, and they can pick them off as needed

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So just for the record, HitAlt is claiming that he "knows he was targeted for a kill last night"...that's bullshit. He wasn't, and nothing he was given suggests it. I have no idea where he's getting it from or where he's going with it.

[Pine]

I believe PGO is always non-Normal per new rules. It was permissible under the old greylist rule, but did not qualify for the new whitelist.

[Pine]

This is the only dead/mod thread. Feel free.

[Pine]

I agree. You were perhaps scum's biggest threat. I'm kind of glad the field is leveled now.

[Pine]

Also, TW just claimed serial killer, and I think no one noticed.

[Pine]

I post this to the SK thread yesterday

[Pine]

If any of you more-experienced mods has any reaction or advice with regards to how I handled the non-hammer there, I'd be interested to hear it.

It is my policy to bump replacing-out players to non-voting status, but here that caused what appeared to be a hammer, with the usual shenanigans surrounding a perceived but incorrect hammer. Except this time it was my rule quirk which caused it, rather than player subterfuge. Did I rob scum of a well-deserved (and badly-needed) mislynch? Or is it simply "no lynch is final until mod confirms it" territory?

I'm a bit anxious, because I can see both sides of it. I decided to stick to my policy here, but I'm not sure it was the right choice.

[Pine]

Scum are doing a really solid combination of distancing/bussing and scum theatre. If it works out for them, it's probably worth a Scummy nom.

[Pine]

Grrrrrrr I know. It's piling up and becoming a big task that keeps getting pushed down my priority list.

[Pine]

Nah. I just need to sit down for an hour or so and crank it out. Once I get started it will flow, and then I can keep up easily enough.

[Pine]

Well, the problem is that I hadn't really made the policy explicit.

The hammer wasn't an unreasonable assumption.

[Pine]

For those interested, the Inferno replacement was because he owned up to me that he accidentally saw setup information from this thread on James' computer screen. I appreciate his honesty.

[Pine]

James Brafin

[Pine]

On the contrary, the Town PRs have been getting lucky, and there are an obscene number of potential clears.

TW is essentially caught. He doesn’t make it to LYLO.
Skygazer and Profii have both been heavily wagoned.
MoI botched his claim, essentially locking himself into a slow-burning 1v1 with Ausuka.

I think Town has this in the bag.

[Pine]

Scum’s best chance might be to start shooting investigatives and hope the bussing between Skygazer and Profii saves one of them. If left alive, I’m pretty sure TW shoots MoI eventually.

[Pine]

You would have a fair point regarding the "recent whitelisting" thing, but there's no indication that HWS misunderstands.

[Pine]

Thanks!

The information that I have - does it relate to the new stuff in the entirety of the "changes to normal games" thread? (Regarding the whitelist stuff of course)

Everything in the changes thread is fair game. Aside from VT and Goon, every role has some aspect which was recently whitelisted.

Also this PM thread we exchanged makes it explicit.

[Pine]

I have a better one, but I may use it in the future.

[Pine]

Actions so far:

Raskolnikov loudly doctors Ausuka (Ausuka will receive a notification)
Ausuka fruitvends to brassherald (brassherald receives a peach)
Jingle visits the worst (Nothing happens)
GammaEmerald detects Profii (GEmerald finds no incriminating evidence)
Skygazer kills Almost50 (A50 dies!)
MagnaofIllusion chooses not to act
the worst kills A50 and tracks Ausuka (A50 still dies, the worst sees Ausuka visit brassherald)

Original Roll String: 1d6 (STATIC)

1 6-Sided Dice: (6) = 6

[Pine]

Ausuka

In the night, you are jerked awake from your fitful doze by a clumsy racket. You catch a glimpse of

Raskolnikov

, and are able to determine that he

visited you

, though you can't determine his intention.

Brassherald

A courier arrived in the night, bearing a mysteriouly-giftwrapped

peach

. You are not sure what, if any, purpose it serves.

Gamma Emerald

Following xyzzy's grisly death, you go over your notes regarding

profii

, and come to the conclusion that, as yet,

profii has not committed murder

.

the worst

Following xyzzy's grisly death, you are possessed of an urge to

kill again

. You wait until

Almost50

is alone, and slip some of the

arsenic

you conveniently have laying around into his drink. Confident this has done the job, you sneak about and

follow Ausuka

around. Your stealthy machinations are creepy enough to see her

visit brassherald

!

[Pine]

Forgot to write this one for A50:

After xyzzy's grisly murder, you resolve to have a good time. A little thing like death shouldn't keep you from booze a decent board game! So you mix yourself a nice

Jack and Coke

, and settle on the couch to wait for Pine to come back downstairs. Hmmm...this is taking a while...you

don't feel so great

...why is everything blurry? Your stomach hurts. Actually...your

everything

hurts! Fade to black...shouldn't have left your

drink unattended

...

You have

died

! Feel free to join us in the dead thread.

[Pine]

Nos do you have anymore clears?

nah fam

Yeah because you didn't submit an action, fam. Even with a 12-hour warning and a few hour grace period after the deadline passed.

tw got his in with less than an hour to spare, for the record. It's the second time in a row he's almost forgotten.

Also for the record, tw's Tracker shots are expended. With his BP shot spent, tracker shots gone, and the multitasking modifier irrelevant, he's a straight, vanilla SK.

[Pine]

Vengeful might be a bad claim??

Ugh we should've gone for gamma last night

Yeah you really should have. Ausuka would have been an even better kill, despite the fact that it virtually guarantees a MoI lynch. She’s wielding the Loyal FV role even more competently than expected.

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I gots a peach.

^Confirming this. Brassherald is very likely town. It's possible that Mafia have a tracker or a watcher but meh I think he's just town.

VOTE: Ausuka

The only way this vote is moving might (and only might) be to Skygazer who is pretty obvious scum.

Anyone who doesn't see that clearing Brass (who 0.00% of the playerbase thought was scum) as opposed to confirming I'm scum as she was whining about yesterday or clearing in the Pool of Death is 100% scum motivated play as opposed to game solving.

If you don't see that I can't help you. In which case go ahead and flip me today. It locks in Ausuka scum with my Town flip and minimizes the WIFOM damage her "clears" will do down the line (which right now is mostly only Rask IMO) and confirm both Nos and Chickadee as lock-Town.

This is a really solid argument, and I kinda hope MoI pulls it off.

[Pine]

The post was deleted, as was Jingle's off-topic reply to it.

Please be more careful, A50. No hard feelings, though, I got all your references. And as for "rock experts" preferring to be called "geologists"...well, I was a Geology major in college.

So yeah. Rock expert here.

[Pine]

@Pine: Thanks for deleting the post and -once again- I'm really sorry. I promise to be much more careful.

It's really not a big deal. If there had been game-relevant information, it would have been, but you were just chatting. I toyed with actually leaving it in place, but it was off-topic following a mod request to return to the game.

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how am I a high information flip? and why on earth would you protect MOI???

like if mafia want to shoot MOI I see no reason to not just let them do it considering without the claim we'd be lynching him today.

How are you not a high-info flip? When you flip Loyal FV, everyone you've vended to gets hardcleared. It also serves as a hard counter to MoI's claim (which is likely why he's apathetic - he got screwed by claim.)

Also, if MoI doesn't get lynched today, the smart play would be to have him not vend and claim to have received something from him. It's a soft inno when he's revealed as a Disloyal FV.

[Pine]

HWS’s claim? It’s close enough to the truth to be kind of clever. It puts scum on their toes and worried about their fakeclaims

[Pine]

Not going to bother replacing MoI. TW locked in his kill there, and Rask is protecting Ausuka...who Skygazer has sent a kill on.

I’m definitely going to get “overpowered Town!” complaints here. Well, tough. Scum had plenty of power. Town has gotten ridiculously lucky with their shots, and has skillfully used them to take the scumteam apart.

Skygazer is my dark horse to win, though, due to some especially effective bussing.

[Pine]

Not going to bother replacing MoI. TW locked in his kill there, and Rask is protecting Ausuka...who Skygazer has sent a kill on.

I’m definitely going to get “overpowered Town!” complaints here. Well, tough. Scum had plenty of power. Town has gotten ridiculously lucky with their shots, and has skillfully used them to take the scumteam apart.

Skygazer is my dark horse to win, though, due to some especially effective bussing.

I'd consider this a mistake in moderation because a MoI replacement could influence Skygazer to change night actions.

Hmmm. Okay. I'll give it to Kokichi; he responded to my recruitment request shortly after Irrelephant.

[Pine]

Pretty sure the only scum with an icecube's chance in hell is Skygazer, and it's not much more than that icecube's. Town PRs were too on the ball. Scum losing their best role N1 helped, and the crosskills are just murdering them. At dawn of D4, tw will have accounted for half the Mafia team solo, including both of their meaningful PRs. They also hit his BP on N1, so they know exactly who and what he is. Profii really ought to have outed him fully, but I don't think it will matter.

[Pine]

That would be clever.

She’s vending to Irrelephant though. It’s a shame scum lost their jailkeeper

[Pine]

Well...

Dram was killed by tw, who I don’t think you influenced

[Pine]

Skygazer kills Gamma Emerald (GEmerald dies!)
Kokichi does not fruit vend
brassherald chooses not to activate
Jingle visits Ausuka
the worst kills Kokichi (Kokichi dies!)
Rask loudly protects Ausuka (Ausuka receives a notification)
Ausuka vends an orange to Irrelephant

Original Roll String: 1d6 (STATIC)

1 6-Sided Dice: (5) = 5

GEmerald investigates Jingle, but dies.
Nosferatu investigates Ausuka, gets a clear.

[Pine]

GEmerald

In the night, you put together the clues surrounding

Jingle

, and come to the determination that, thus far, his hands are

clean of violence

.

However, as you chuckle slyly to yourself and pour a Scotch to toast your cleverness, you feel a pinprick in your neck.

A dart...?

Wha...? Things are fading...

You have

died

! Feel free to join us in the dead thread!

Irrelephant

A courier arrived in the night, bearing a mysteriouly-giftwrapped

orange

. You are not sure what, if any, purpose it serves.

Kokichi Oma

As you leave your private deliberations with your partner,

a dark figure

leaps out of the shadows, bearing a bat! Try as you might to defend yourself, you are

bludgeoned to death

without mercy.

You have

died

! Feel free to join us in the dead thread!

Ausuka

Ever so quietly, you leave a package for

Irrelephant

. On your way back to the group, you notice

a shadowy figure

trailing you. An errant shaft of light illuminates

Raskolnikov

's face. His intentions are not clear.

[Pine]

glad i could do so much hard work as a replacement

Sorry. I was going to just let the slot die, but Mastina was right, not giving Sky the benefit of someone to talk to wasn't fair.

[Pine]

This now the second game I’ve played with a townstomp
Kinda nice actually

And it's another large, too

It ain’t over til it’s over. In Turn of Camn, Town lynched correctly three days running, and scumteam pulled off a win because of an unassuming darkhorse. Right now, Ausuka is the big threat. Get rid of her, let tw wipe out some competition, and kill the clears. If she can keep from getting killed by tw, Sky has a shot. A long shot, but not impossible.

I also want to point out that this isn’t a Town stomp - the worst has killed 2/3 of the dead scum.

[Pine]

This now the second game I’ve played with a townstomp
Kinda nice actually

And it's another large, too

It ain’t over til it’s over. In Turn of Camn, Town lynched correctly three days running, and scumteam pulled off a win because of an unassuming darkhorse. Right now, Ausuka is the big threat. Get rid of her, let tw wipe out some competition, and kill the clears. If she can keep from getting killed by tw, Sky has a shot. A long shot, but not impossible.

I also want to point out that this isn’t a Town stomp - the worst has killed 2/3 of the dead scum.

I still think the tide is in town's favor

Oh certainly. I give them in the neighborhood of 90%+ odds at this stage. I'm just not counting chickens before they're hatched.

[Pine]

Does HWS know anything beyond the Pm
?


Like the prime number thing etc

All HWS knows is that every role (aside from VTs and Goon) has a component which was recently whitelisted.

[Pine]

*shrug* Like I said, it's my personal view. If you give out anything but the broadest hints, it becomes semi-Open at best, which isn't Normal.

[Pine]

Ftr I don’t think this is an inevitable town slam dunk. Skygazer and tw need to leave each other alone, eliminate Ausuka, and then take the clears apart. They could outpace the PoE-by-lynch rate.

[Pine]

Okay. Assume: 1) Town does not lynch any fruit clears 2) Nor any otherwise-obvious clears, or those who can make verifiable claims 3) tw and Sky do not shoot for each other 4) Both manage to evade lynches and guilties 5) All kills go through and they don't double up again

Safe-ish Townies
Ausuka (Universally TR, vendor)
Raskolnikov (Received fruit)
brassherald (Received fruit)
Irrelephant (Received fruit)

Should-be-safe-ish
Chickadee

D4 ML a non-clear Townie i.e. HWS
N5 Kill Ausuka and a safe Townie (Chickadee or Rask if they're smart)
D6 Lynch in {Nos, Jingle, Chick} (Probably the former)
N6 Kill the other important Townie, and another safe
<For argument's sake, let's assume HWS lynch, Ausuka/Rask kill, Nos lynch, Chick/brassherald kill>
D7 Players are now {tw, Sky, Irrelephant, Jingle, Brass} Irrelephant and Brass are still effectively clear, so scum's best chance is a Jingle lynch, maybe?

There's a path to victory for pretty much everyone, but it requires Town not following through on some good housekeeping strategies, like Doccing your best investigator (Ausuka) or policying tw before LYLO, or something clever like getting a free lynch by policying Chickadee and letting her shoot a question mark.

[Pine]

Subject: NY214: Project Pinecone (Day Four)

my modifier is "as fuck"

hardclaim vig as fuck

Probably a fatal error. Claiming vanilla big will be disproven when HWS flips. He’d have been better off claiming part of his real role. Vigilante Multitasking 2-shot Tracker might have been bought

[Pine]

Oh right my bad

[Pine]

Well that’s probably game. Unless Ausuka dies tonight, she has Skygazer dead to rights. She immediately PMed me a fruit vend to Sky. I mean, maybe Skygazer has a Scummy-worthy moment of insight and claims the fruit, but I doubt it.

[Pine]

Never mind. That’s definitely game. TW is stabbing Skygazer, and Rask is fixed on Ausuka. Sky flips red, TW gets turbo-lynched.

Pity. This would have been the best Vig performance I’ve ever seen, and I’m including my turn as Vig in NY211

[Pine]

No idea. The former is bad play, the latter merely unlucky.

[Pine]

Nah. Keeping TW around has worked really well for Town

[Pine]

Tbh I would almost let him win with Town if he immediately surrendered. He’d deserve the credit.

But that’s not how the game works. He had other choices.

[Pine]

Yeah, right?

[Pine]

Yeah he's whining in his logbook thread because he knows he's screwed. He was betting on you being Town.

[Pine]

That’s game. Will wrap it up when I get home

[Pine]

Nah you did well

[Pine]

Honestly every faction did a good job. Powers played an outsize role

[Pine]

Game over!

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