Newbie 1881 - Game Over

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I'm here, I'm reading

Hi everyone

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oh btw UNVOTE:

nancy/oka can be town so far (page 7)

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nancy ily so far especially 149

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[page 50]

dislike Oka's tunnelling of trinity and sudden suspicion of nancy when nancy scumreads him but I don't see scum Oka claiming VT necessarily?

nancy is still town
Ice is town
FF is town

I'm thinking I want to lynch between [Eragon, Quick] by PoE but I still need to finish reading

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Why not? If he claims a PR he runs the risk of catching votes from the actual PRs who would know he was lying (depending on the claim and the set up). A VT claim is safe.

That's fair. Maybe I'm thinking too much into it? I feel like fakeclaiming could earn a hammer if scum got unlucky with their claim but most town players aren't willing to immediately hammer a claimed power role so a VT claim lacks that survivalistic mindset you'd see in scum.

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honestly even nancy's tiltedness looks town to me

i dont see scum nancy desperately trying to save trinity at the end of day two, it's an interesting progression that would be so weird for scum to make

didn't get a lot of sleep cause my foster kitties are butts so im not sure when ill do a full catchup post

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Ice's progression onto nancy is super out of left field to me actually and I'm not sure what to make of it yet

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There were a lot of D1 posts that I don't see scum-ice making though

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nancy if you end up playin mafia on a different site can i play a game or two with you there? You seem rlly cool after reading through these ~70 pages!

I might put my vote on eragon? I think I have a scum game and town game complete with him (newbie 1879 and donner party) so I might meta dive first and stuff

quick is mostly PoE at this point so I probably won't vote there today?

I don't think anyone has the scumrange to play like nancy has as town so at this point my vote is never going there

still townreading ff so my vote isn't going there rn

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I would say

nancy
Ice
Oka
FF
Quick
Eragon

With nancy locktown for myself, and oka/ice pretty close together in terms of towniness level

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sorry i meant to say nancy is confirmed town

/s

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me too ):

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Spoiler: some posts from ice i like

I think I'm a bit lost at the moment. I've lost my town read on Nancy..... Please Nancy come back to town. I wanna believe.

How is it that we have no wagons? Everyone has a vote...... this is a nutso game. Scum is pulling a fast one on us.

So who's been convincing us to move our votes around and reassess our read so that we don't form wagons?

There's more town here then scum we should be able to start coming to a decision.

I'll be honest this is super sus to me.

Oka has been all over the place and not in a good way. He's swinging around and grasping at straws. He's being super defensive and irrational. HE IS SCUM. Why on earth would you jump off a wagon that's at L-2? That makes zero sense. Even if he was at L-1 you shouldn't be jumping off. If someone LOLhammers then we got a another scum out of it. Either way we get a scum.

Come on TOWN we need to start working together towards SOMETHING.

Throw me up on the block for all I care. At least then we'll start getting somewhere. We have 45 pages of content and in that we haven't been able to get a good wagon going. WTF?

We haven't even gotten anyone to L-1. Scum is just trying to wear us all out and make us forget anything that's already happened.

Like, all of this from Ice really resonated with me while reading through, the frustration with the lack of direction and lack of wagons. I really don't see scum-Ice making these posts about what the town needs to fix, and outlining his strategy, I'd see him taking more of a backseat and letting the chaos sit in. A lot of these are posts I do not see scum-Ice making.

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nancy r u actually scumreading ice now after calling him 99% town then locktown? just wonderin

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a lot of ff's play this game has lined up with his play from the first game i was in with him

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Pedit no I'm not, lmao, was joke

i almost caught u, u wily scum, watch out

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nancy maybe out of your scumrange was the wrong wording but there are a lot of posts/read shifts/other stuff you probably would not do as town. Like, your emotion in this game feels extremely real, there are moments where your opinion has changed drastically (trinity) and it lacks the consistency that scum like to have. I feel like scum, especially experienced scum, like to have extremely consistent reads, play super cautiously to avoid drastic shifts in their thoughts that could draw attention to themselves, etc etc. I don't really see any of that in you and while your progression can be a bit interesting at spots I definitely don't see it as a scum progression.

pedit: ye if it was a readflip on ice i was going to do some kind of "NANCY CONF TOWN POST" but

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since it's important i'll iso dive ff next

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Ice, do you think scum-nancy would bus scum-eragon rather than go for a quick lynch (pardon the pun) in this game state?

(that's not a leading question, I'm genuinely curious and want to see your thought process)

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Okay so I have to say I've like ff's play as town much more on D1 than D2. On D1 he seemed p aggressive, you can see him trying to gamesolve at points, and it plays pretty well into his meta from the town game I've played with him. D2 is less active, not really making those posts on his reads, yada yada this has been said before. I also don't like how FF seems so confident that Ice is town? Like, he's said time and time again that Ice is town but hasn't really had too much reasoning at all regarding his townread as Ice. Like, it feels like it's just there to have a strong townread.

That being said: my two strongest scumreads (quick/eragon) are on the wagon so that right there makes me immediately dislike the wagon. Eragon's progression onto FF make's very little sense considering his strong townread on FF for most of D1 and his case looks thrown together to just have an excuse to jump on. FF has also softed being a PR a few times so I've been a little hesitant to run him up today.

VOTE: Eragon

I would not be heartbroken by a FF lynch after that iso

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(I did not realize the deadline is this close I'm so sorry)

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Eragon: PoE factors a huge part into it. I also don't like how he gets real fence-sitty with trinity coming off of a townread right around the same time everybody else starts voting for trinity. Like, all he does is point out her defensiveness, every time making a point to say "it looks natural though", but winds up L-1ing trinity anyways. Like, it looks like he wants to cover his tracks knowing she's going to flip town by softening his scumread periodically. He did the same thing in the other game I played with him where he flipped scum, withholding voting for a decent chunk of time, voting for newbie lynchbait D1, softening it by saying "well they are a newbie, though."

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I don't like Quick's opening jump onto the Flicker wagon, the omgus on Ice, the omgus on FF, the hostility, the desire to not catch up, the list goes on and on but it's weaker than my read on Eragon

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Ehhhh not sure if I see scum-Eragon jumping off of a still viable wagon (Quick) to L-1 scum-FF so I'm not sure how ready I'd be to believe eragon/ff

Where did you say you dislike that stuff about him? I don't remember honestly and didn't see any of it in your iso right now but your iso is like 3 pages long so. Do you think the fact about him doing the same thing in another game of his would make or break my case? Because to me it was more of a meta anecdote tbh

I mean, I did talk about why it could come from scum, scum do not like to be on mislynches so by softening his scumread scum-eragon would effectively trying to remove any accountability from his L-1 vote.

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Eragon literally just put FF at L-1

Okay yeah you definitely brought up the FF wagon but I didn't know you were including that, I just thought you meant for the post of mine you quoted. Granted you also specifically mentioned the trinity wagon on this page and I remember reading it so I'm just being super dense/spacey rn

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Who did you protect?

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Not ccing if that wasn't already obvious

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I'm having a depressive episode so I may be fluctuating between various levels of usefulness

Oka can you talk me through your scumread on me?

(If anyone wants to send any wholesome memes my way feel free to do so)

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Considering there's been one other soft out there (can't remember who) then I think it's obvious that if there's some other PR out there then they should softclaim to help with PoE

Clears are also v useful obviously

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Hi I just slept through an entire day phase?

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Gg everyone! Sorry that I was a little scattered after catching up and accidentally sheeped nancy's thoughts without realizing it :p

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wow fire the new listmod pls