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[stungun0404]

hey, VOTE: radiantcowbells

i see a future where you’re glowing red

[stungun0404]

this will be... interesting. largest game i’ve ever played in regarding number of players.

Hi I claim miller

Our second sacrifice!

wait, what? don’t get this

[stungun0404]

hmm

why are there 5 players at the bottom of the player list that aren't alphebatized with the rest of us?

idk, my guess is that he did most of them off memory, and then forgot my name and put it at the end as i’ve never played in a spyrex game before. makes me wonder, though, too

[stungun0404]

since i only have a slight bit of experience with 5 other players in this game (namely unrealseal, creature, the worst, radiantcowbells, and gamma emerald) is there anybody here who is known to have a particularly strong scum game that i should know about?

[stungun0404]

omg Stungun I'm guessing we don't talk about that one marathon right

you were hard to gather support against, unfortunately :-/
at the very least though that doublevote power was the bomb. thanks ircher (who i think i saw was in this game) for making such fantastic game setups!

also played a game where creature was scum, so i might have a little intel there —> we’ll see

[stungun0404]

i have a townlean on unrealseal so far, but no one else. he seems like he means business, and i can’t really see an antitown player placing a player as locktown on the first page. would be an extreme pocketing attempt if there ever was one.

creature’s content so far, while different from the lurkiness i saw in his scum game, is still relatively safe play, so i’m not quite ready to lean town on him.

[stungun0404]

let’s see: 28 players in this game, typical ratio of scum per town is ~ somewhere around 3-4 town per each scum i think, so early guess is we’d be dealing with about 77% town and 23 % scum, doing the math then (28 x 0.77 to receive number of townplayers), i receive 22 town when rounded up, = a rough guestimation of 6 scum —> take this as it is a guestimation though because it depends on the powers present within the game, as well as how the setup is balanced

should have some better indication after some flips, but wanted to get some early spec out there

[stungun0404]

MariaR's avi is one of my mains in BBTAG, instant townlock kappa.

@stungun, I was pseudo-joking when I called creature "locktown". I do have a townlean on him since his play seems more reminiscent of Mini Normal 2015 (where he was town with me) than 8P Lynchpin (where he was scum and I fucking called him but then shit happened and argahapbhjkdsa) so far but it's very early so things can change.

i didn’t sense it was a joke, but i still don’t see scum making a splash even jocularly by locktowning someone on the first page. it’s enough for a townlean on you, but not a townread as it is hypothetically within scum range — it’s just hard to take something like that back

[stungun0404]

stungun is town.

can you explain your read please?

[stungun0404]

WAIT. WHY???? BEFORE EVERYONE CHECKS IN????

let’s not instant lynch — i want to hear from both parties, but while this was a very impulsive decision, i am inclined to vote katsuki because i don’t feel a scumplayer duels someone this soon

[stungun0404]

unfortunately, it looks like katsuki has experience with this duel element, so why’d you choose her of all players?

[stungun0404]

Oh, and nights are instantaneous which I personally think is awesome.

Pedit: Like, if we are fast enough, we may make it where scum can't get a kill in!

actually, this is a really good plan!

VOTE: katsuki

[stungun0404]

let’s remember: we’re voting for the person who wins this duel, not the person that is being lynched.

i think we would benefit from having both parties roleclaim so we know exactly what we’d be missing without them, and so we can make a more informed decision.

@firebringer, you in particular should roleclaim IMO.

[stungun0404]

so i have headache, and i just finally thought about my vote and i’m like “wait, why did i vote katsuki when i feel the chance is higher she’s scum then firebringer?” as i stated earlier

VOTE: firebringer, this duel element is slightly confusing

[stungun0404]

wow, this thread has increased in content by about 2.5 times what it was since i last visited, so let me catch up!

We should decide on a player we want eliminated tomorrow.
Pedit: So many pedits.... ANOTHER ONE!

a collectivistic approach

might

work, but if one player is sold on another player being scum, there’s really no way of stopping them from duelling given the incentive of going after e/s for themselves. ultimately, i’d rather people wait to use their power until they are sold on another player being scum. at that point, it’s most useful to duel because we can focus on nabbing scum, and not on crapshoots like this duel seemed like to me.

[stungun0404]

whenever i have trouble finding scum, i like to PoE my way to scum as much as i can. so far, my truest scumlean on content 14 pages through is on Brian Skies simply for how opportunistic his push against the bottom 5 of the player list seemed after skygazer merely floated the idea. given how quickly the duel came about, it made it difficult to find any further early scum leans/players i would identifiably label scum.

still got pages 15-25 to unpack, but there was a lot of gameread-producing content in pages 11-14 IMO --> at least in terms of producing townleans/townreads.

I am strong leaning town on Skygazer at the moment since I think pointing out the player list alphabetically in the manner done, and then proposing, even jokingly, to test the scum team within seems more town than scum motivated.

toog's train-of-thought on skygazer here gives me a townlean because i feel only town that is not in the bottom 5 of the playerlist defends a player as a strong townread off of something like that. enough for a townlean on toog.

in conjunction with the miller claim and the argument presented by toog there, i am comfortable enough putting skygazer in my townlean bin.

so townlean bin right now: unrealseal, firebringer, toogeloo, skygazer

307 places toogeloo as the first player officially to make it past my townlean bin and into my town bin. very pro-town suggestion that i think only town here makes.

no way scum actively goes for setting a collective voting system for the duelling matchups. too much busywork for scum to go through, imo. i don't see this being calculated --> this sort of content's hard to fake as scum.

So, toogeloo is scum.... Got it.....

why is toogeloo scum? i see pro-town motive in his first handful of posts within this thread.

319: again, toogeloo harps on about better coordination of the duels (as with a collective voting system); and it's the precise energy level with which he is attacking the current duel system that seems pro-town to me.

For the record, I think I'm dueling Toogeloo tomorrow, and if anyone beats me to it, I'm autolynching them.

...as in autolynching the person that duels toogeloo, or toogeloo? wording here makes your statement tough to understand the exact nature of. also don't like how it seems that you're fundamentally trying to dictate the next day phase's duel choice. for one, let's worry about today's first. and second free choice should be prevalent, maybe we can be democratic, but we definitely shouldn't be working with an autocratic system! that's the fastest way to lead to town destruction.

i'm tempted to put a scumlean on you here early fundamental theorem; we'll have to see if and how this holds up

345@fundamentaltheorem: interesting sr pile, i'm not sure i grok any of them, as our gamereads thus far seem very incompatible. can you explain the read on unrealseal?

346: early townlean on rb for his suggestion of using the duel sparingly in instances where you feel that you've nabbed scum, but others don't seem to agree with you. this post echoes the train-of-thought i formulated in one of my recent posts, and given that he said it first i'm inclined to townlean on him here early.

369: awfully bold post that i'm liking as an early townlean for gammagooey.

so right now
town: toogeloo
townlean (from strongest to weakest link): firebringer (too bold of a move for scum to make in duelling someone this early IMO), skygazer, gammagooey, unrealseal, rb
scumlean (from strongest to weakest link): brian skies, fundamental theorem... need to find more!

so through 14 pages, not a lot of scumleans relatively speaking --> but then again it's early, and there was a duel already which might have discouraged some actions that might otherwise have been scummy by some other players had there not been a duel so early.

[stungun0404]

this may be the case

but a free extra lynch at essentially random is +town equity

I GET A STRONG COP WHEN I WIN A DUEL WHERE I GET DUELED

lol. is this a joke, or is this legitimate?

i don't get the sense that what you are saying is genuine, so that's a scumlean for me

497: rb here reads like frustrated town to me.

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i feel like brian skies is using whatever he can opportunistically to throw people off potentially dueling/lynching him. in particular, he seems opportunistic in his progression from 490 to 501 in that he goes from suggesting skygazer to be scum to going back to throwing out the bottom 5 on the player list as scum, which i'm not quite sure i can gather what town incentive there could be to playing like that.

512: brian, the problem i have with it is it looks like you are using all these alleys to shield yourself and distract others, the latter of which reads as scummy.

533: ok, townlean on rc for being attentive enough to a). notice the difference in the capitalizations, and b). for not encouraging scumhunting to continue there IN SPITE OF not being in that pool of players that was supposedly "incriminated".

539: post that upholds my theory of toog town. again, this level of theory he's spewing is hard for scum to fake.

the ends some people seem to be playing to are strange.

if anything, those ends themselves could be AI, especially after we get some flips, so I would suggest noting anything you might have there.

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Also RC: I do grok the point of getting rid of both, as the other player will be a distraction regardless of the other lynchee's flip--but if you sense somebody is likely town, then wouldn't it be a bad move to encourage them being lynched? i feel that way about firebringer right now.

@FT I'm starting a townbloc with you
hope you don't mind

why? not sure either of you are town atm.


589: why does a townread have to be strong? any sort of townlean is enough basis to avoid lynching both options IMO.

[stungun0404]

@brian, i’m free and you’re free to comment on whatever we have issues with, so if there is logic you use that seems like a disconnect to me, i’m free to hold that against you

i would like you to explain your train-of-thought in your progression from your 490 to your 501.

[stungun0404]

533: ok, townlean on rc for being attentive enough to a). notice the difference in the capitalizations, and

b). for not encouraging scumhunting to continue there IN SPITE OF not being in that pool of players that was supposedly "incriminated".

What?

scum want town to be distracted from proper lynches, so in the instance he’s scum it would only be applicable if he has a partner in there, otherwise what incentive does scum him have for distracting town away from that?

[stungun0404]

and to be clear, i think skygazer is the main town member he’s distracting away from the logic. i’m not quite sure you are town

[stungun0404]

She claimed she was an Autobot. I asked if that was a scumclaim. She explained it in a way that would make sense if she were a miller. 501 is a joke (although if you read 512 or 518, you would already know this) and since I'm currently immune to death right now, I'm taking the liberty to shitpost until the Day Ends.

i read to the best of my abilities, but i still can’t keep track of everything and relate it to every single player in a game this large. i forget things as being attributed to certain players

533: ok, townlean on rc for being attentive enough to a). notice the difference in the capitalizations, and

b). for not encouraging scumhunting to continue there IN SPITE OF not being in that pool of players that was supposedly "incriminated".

What?

scum want town to be distracted from proper lynches, so in the instance he’s scum it would only be applicable if he has a partner in there, otherwise what incentive does scum him have for distracting town away from that?

Break this down for me, because neither your original statement nor your explanation for it make sense to me.

ultimately, i feel it’s unlikely scum bothers to give that type of attention to detail, unless they have serious incentive to do so, which would only be in the case of having partners in there if radiantcowbells wasn’t in that group of players himself

it’s enough for a townlean, but enough for a hard town stance on him, because it is refutable by having partners in there, or otherwise trying to look pro-town; but i truly don’t think scum without any partners in there would ever bother to distract away from that pool of players. i can only derive things from my own alignment, as i cannot for the other 4, so this was a particular interpretation that i could see from it.

[stungun0404]

not enough for a hard town stance

[stungun0404]

since i only have a slight bit of experience with 5 other players in this game (namely unrealseal, creature, the worst, radiantcowbells, and gamma emerald) is there anybody here who is known to have a particularly strong scum game that i should know about?

What would you do with that information?

i’d use it to be more vigilant in scumhunting, if it applies to certain players.

your posts so far have made me laugh, lmao. you seem to think everyone’s scum. is this for real?

[stungun0404]

so, this is where we currently stand

neither (11): Gammagooey, RadiantCowbells, Firebringer, rb, UnrealSeal, Fundamental Theorem, the worst, Skygazer, Gamma Emerald, Porkens, Papa Zito
Katsuki (7): Garmr, Creature, MariaR, Katsuki, DrippingGoofball, Brian Skies, BlueBloodedToffee
Firebringer (4): stungun0404, Toogeloo, Spiffeh, Antihero

Not Voting (6): Vecna, Princess Celestia, Fate, Prof Fridays, Lady Lambdadelta, dramonic

I’d like to see the ppl in this bottom pool take some stances

i’m willing to give a vote to hammer or get us closer to obe if we reach the point where it’s a foregone conclusion that neither wins so as to prevent us from taking up the full 48 hours, but i’d still prefer that firebringer wins because i think he’s town :-/

does anybody have a game to reference where firebringer pulled something like this as scum? i have seen it mentined, but i’ll have to see it for myself to believe it

[stungun0404]

Found my duel target

so far, your choice seems like a wise choice imo. stungun endorsed!

[stungun0404]

firebringer, do you have any townreads/townleans?

[stungun0404]

firebringer, do you have any townreads/townleans?

ive given probably a dozen reads in this game thus far.

Town: Creature, Spiffeh, Ircher, dramonic, rb, Skygazer
Weak Town: RC,
Suspicious Vibes: Garmr,
Scum: Seal, MariaR, Katsuki

can you expand on the dramonic town read? willing to give some weight to your reads if you flip town like i anticipate that you will.

[stungun0404]

539: post that upholds my theory of toog town. again, this level of theory he's spewing is hard for scum to fake.

It really isn't.

it's not so much that one post as it is the consistency of the type of theory he has been spewing that is difficult to maintain, and in his early posts his consistency in what i would label "pro-town/solving the game" type of theory is typically an easy facade for scum to maintain--it involves a lot of concentration and energy towards one game. it is very hard to consistently look like you are "pro-town/solving the game" with respect to the very workings of a game (and that's because the way it's set up; as scum already has an advantage here typically anyway). in my opinion, it's much much harder to fake; and i have several games of scumhunting to my experience where this has worked to find townplayers successfully. no, it's not resolutely against attack, but if he keeps it up i'd hard defend him as town. consistency is the key

[stungun0404]

just noticed a crucial error in my earlier post to ft, so ebwop

539: post that upholds my theory of toog town. again, this level of theory he's spewing is hard for scum to fake.

It really isn't.

it's not so much that one post as it is the consistency of the type of theory he has been spewing that is difficult to maintain, and in his early posts his consistency in what i would label "pro-town/solving the game" type of theory is typically

not

an easy facade for scum to maintain--it involves a lot of concentration and energy towards one game. it is very hard to consistently look like you are "pro-town/solving the game" with respect to the very workings of a game (and that's because the way it's set up; as scum already has an advantage here typically anyway). in my opinion, it's much much harder to fake; and i have several games of scumhunting to my experience where this has worked to find townplayers successfully. no, it's not resolutely against attack, but if he keeps it up i'd hard defend him as town. consistency is the key

[stungun0404]

What is IIoA, @fundamentaltheorem?

[stungun0404]

fair enough, i can see how my posts may have a tendency to come off as having IIoA. i tend to get sidetracked from my goal of analysis sometimes, so that isn’t intentional. I will fix that moving forward

[stungun0404]

hmm, interesting dripping goofball’s stated only two reads — and they were a townread on me and fundamental theorem. and i guess a scumread on skygazer in 476, but i’m not quite sure why

given he was accurate on his tr of me (although at the time i kinda felt like it might be pocketing thus why i questioned it early on), maybe ft is town? just seems like we are reaching opposite conclusions on literally everything, and for that i’m more inclined towards him being either offbeat town or scum.

i do like the detail provided in fundamental theorem’s recent analyses, especially attached to the one provided in 733, in that he provided a look into his own thought processes in addition to offering a good dose of reactions to the content he investigated —> as opposed to merely just making comments. but i still got that gut feeling he’s trying to mislead us, and that’s difficult to take away, especially when it seemed there was so many percentages—when looking at his later analysis—that favored scum percentages (8 in the negative region, whereas 7 in the positive region).

[stungun0404]

oh, quoted wrong post number, it was a reaction to 476. dgb scumread skygazer in 487

thanks to the above posts for helping me put that together!

[stungun0404]

UNOFFICIAL VOTECOUNT:

neither (12): Gammagooey, RadiantCowbells, Firebringer, rb, UnrealSeal, Fundamental Theorem, the worst, Skygazer, Gamma Emerald, Porkens, Papa Zito, Creature
Katsuki (5): MariaR, Katsuki, Brian Skies, BlueBloodedToffee, Fate
Firebringer (5): stungun0404, Toogeloo, Spiffeh, Antihero, Garmr

Not Voting (6): Vecna, Princess Celestia, Lady Lambdadelta, dramonic, neither, Prof Fridays

With 27 alive, it takes 14 to lynch.

how many votes are needed to switch the tide in favor of a player? 8? yeah, i don’t see that happening in a day.

VOTE: neither

[stungun0404]

@all: neither is L-1

[stungun0404]

my final words are that MariaR needs to be in a duel tomorrow.
GL town.

duel-y noted

[stungun0404]

Who should I duel

whoever you feel is scum is fair cause imo. i think it’s wise to wait a bit longer this day phase, however.

if it were up to me as of this second, probably maria as she’s looking bad to me after the townflips of firebringer and rc, who both had maria in their scum region, and apparently have experience with her being scum in games with them before.

[stungun0404]

Or scum could be trying to goad someone into quickdueling maria

It would only take one person

absolutely possible, and for that reason i’d prefer to hear from maria before we make any decision on who to duel

[stungun0404]

oh yeah, we can vote for lynch again!

VOTE: MariaR, as i can’t remember anything from your iso sticking out to me as any sort of townlean, and because both rc and fire had experience with you and thought that this was your scumgame.

[stungun0404]

i’m not scumreading unrealseal. i’ve been wrong before surely, but don’t think he’s exactly a lurk-out under scumreads when he hasn’t posted anywhere since his last post on site (looking at his profile). it’s alright if you guys pressure him, but i still am nulltown at worst on him atm.

[stungun0404]

Not Voting

(6): Vecna, Princess Celestia, Lady Lambdadelta, dramonic, Prof Fridays

I definitely think either ircher or skygazer should do the next duel.

what are everyone’s thoughts on considering someone from the not voting pool? IMO, it’s still a crapshoot, but if we don’t hear from these people after so long, then what good input will we get from them later? they had that whole first duel to commit to a decision during. might be bad in terms of information provided, but might also nail scum (but town is a higher shot(. so i’m about 25% in favor of this, whereas 75% against it.

[stungun0404]

I think Gamma is maf, thoughts?

gammagooey, and not gamma emerald right? i remember having an early townlean on him, can you explain what leads you to think he’s mafia?

[stungun0404]

hmm, let me investigate...

[stungun0404]

I think Gammagooey's stance on the duel mechanic was very opportunistic yesterday, especially since he 1) stated he thought Firebringer was probably town and 2) didn't scumread Katsuki. I think he was trying to take advantage of his comment in the sign-up thread and apply it here, even though the two situations are not actually the same.

you're... possibly right on the front that it felt by reading like he might have had an inkling both players were town - but he didn't do anything but voting neither about it.

i disagree with the opportunistic push --> if anything it felt very aggressive to me, but not exactly opportunistic. i definitely do not get what you are referring to regarding the "advantage-taking" of his comment in the sign-up thread, so what is that in reference to?

[stungun0404]

people who jump the gun on someone scummy instead of letting a very prob-town player get an ability go in the scrapheap WITH the scummy motherfucker

i’m not so sure i got the same impression you did here; i’m having trouble making the connection that you made here, particularly in how it points to him being scummy.

@gammagooey, is there any particular reason you want me dead right now?

[stungun0404]

@gammagooey, is there any particular reason you want me dead right now?

your play just seems like someone trying to get townread/someone trying to play 'correctly' more than someone trying to lynch scum

your mariaR read being entirely on Fire/RC's reads doesn't feel great and your #152 feels like an overreaction b/c with 28 people there was no way this game wasn't going to be people doing really stupid duels early on

mariar read was not solely based off those 2 players, but also my own consideration towards the end of the last day phase that i was doubting her towniness.

and fair enough regarding, but there’s really not a lot of strong scumleans so far imo. i’ll check back tomorrow and see if i can’t improve in that respect. unless there’s clear scumleans, i’m more of a poe player through forming townreads and sorting through my vote typically.

i’ll VOTE: Vecna on account of their 1 post in the thread so far not being game-relevant in terms of adding to the thread. makes it very hard to sort players like that

[stungun0404]

p-edit: and... another crapshoot

but still, some questions i came up with that i’d like answers to (each has a clear purpose):
@spiffeh, is there any particular purpose for you stating you have quite a few townleans/townreads, but are primarily withholding who they are on?
@garmr, where do you stand regarding mariar at the moment and why?
@mariar, where do you stand regarding garmr at the moment and why?
@princess celestia, do you have any current gamereads? i see only your rvs vote against gammagooey so far.
@creature, other than your townread of toogeloo in 337 (yay we both agree!), do you have any other townleans/townreads?


and now that i see this duel
VOTE: Neither, the problem i have with porkens duel is he seems to be up-to-date with the thread enough to know it was proper time to duel, and in spite of clear majority opposition to duelling that doesn’t involve it being initiated by fundamental theorem or skygazer this day phase, he does it anyway. first impression is that this has a scummy feel to me

[stungun0404]

NEITHER IS A SCUM VOTE YOU FUCKING FUCKERS

explain please, i’m willing to reconsider if given the proper reason to

[stungun0404]

ok, lld has a convincing argument. VOTE: antihero, as i lean towards porkens at the moment being more likely to be scum.

stungun: I'm town reading Fundamental Theorem, Garmr, MariaR, Toogeloo, Creature, Skygazer, UnrealSeal, rb to varying degrees

The only ones I'd say I'm confident in are FT, Garmr, and MariaR

glad to see you take some stances! is your list of townreads here ordered? i’m also interested in what makes you confident in a TR on the trio of ft, garmr, and maria r —> as i’m in a difference place than you atm there (i’m trying to sort mariar and garmr still, but ft seemed like an early scumlean to me that i am now seeing as likelier to be town), but i grok the rest of your reads.

[stungun0404]

OK, i’m townreading Lady Lambdadelta, to be upheld in the instance that this is positively confirmed to not be a scum vs. scum duel —> which i very highly doubt would be the case this early on when thinking about it. just like the last vote, would be extremely risky for scum to duel scum this early i think. the only motive i could foresee is if it gives them a power that seriously advances their wincon.

purely on a gameplay level, porkens does not seem like town to me at this moment —> i think he’s scum. reason is i don’t feel town reaches for the duel this early in the day phase after seeing the result of the last duel, even if they’re relatively inattentive. porkens can’t claim to being inattentive though, given that he was still responding to posts in what was basically the rvs area of this thread (posts 1-150) when he pulled the duel card out, yet he supposedly “knows” he can duel now? and apparently he voted neither dueler to win the last duel. so why is he suddenly wanting to win this duel, but he was against either winning the last duel. like, really?

[stungun0404]

Official Duel Count

neither (14): Gammagooey, RadiantCowbells, Firebringer, rb, UnrealSeal, Fundamental Theorem, the worst, Skygazer, Gamma Emerald,

Porkens

, Papa Zito, Creature, stungun0404, Brian Skies
Katsuki (4): MariaR, Katsuki, BlueBloodedToffee, Fate
Firebringer (4): Toogeloo, Spiffeh,

Antihero

, Garmr

Not Voting(6): Vecna, Princess Celestia, Lady Lambdadelta, dramonic, neither, Prof Fridays

With 27 alive, it takes 14 to lynch.

NEITHER WINS. Please Hold.

also, antihero comes out looking better at first sight here given fb’s town flip, contingent on porkens true motive for joining the neither wagon.

[stungun0404]

in that case neither vote seems obvious right?

what agenda are you playing to with this current push? i think lld’s case is a pretty damn good reason not to choose “neither”. it’s also a quite simple way scum can avoid choosing sides - so if you had to choose, which of the two players would you prefer survives?

[stungun0404]

in that case neither vote seems obvious right?

what agenda are you playing to with this current push? i think lld’s case is a pretty damn good reason not to choose “neither”. it’s also a quite simple way scum can avoid choosing sides - so if you had to choose, which of the two players would you prefer survives?

hi stungun
read my iso
report back

thx bb

i take it that you chose porkens, but you didn’t really hard commit. so you’d prefer porkens to survive, then?

[stungun0404]

wow we really want scum to win

Would you rather we do neither then?

i think what he’s implying is that town is making bad mistakes - which would imply he has a townread on porkens, but i’m not sure why.

[stungun0404]

it seems to me now like the people voting neither (specifically the worst and maria) are pinning their hopes on a multiball setup, which is inherently a dangerous mindset, and a bad reasoning for voting such given the information we have. let’s not jump to any conclusion till their some semblance of proof, here. i think that’s the better way to play

[stungun0404]

there’s some semblance of proof

[stungun0404]

it’s completely possible there’s a town day or night vig, one single scum team, and some sk’s/indie roles. why conclude multiball?

[stungun0404]

I'm not voting neither because of multiball. I'm voting neither because I don't townread either player. Multiball has nothing to do with my vote
I assumed scum submit a day action for a kill and it happened after the flip.

ok, that’s a fairer argument. but my reasoning against the worst in specific holds at this moment (for he stated porkens could be town).

that “scum submitting a day action for a kill” is countered if there’s one scum team and an indie for all we know, or a town night vig along with a scum team —> fate in particular seems like a reasonable enough player for a town member to kill, imo, given that i don’t remember anything from their content (apparently just 4 posts in the thread —> why is it an antitown kill?).

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i’d rather believe dgb was an antitown kill than i do that fate was an antitown kill

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@fundamental theorem: i understand rc as being a scum kill, i agree on that matter. however, what leads you to believe that fate was a scum kill choice? is fate a good townplayer?

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regardless of the alignment that actually performed the kill, it is a rather curious choice imo.

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I literally thought I was a mafia traitor until last night sooooo anyone who's townreading me probably needs to do a quick hard reset

is this a scumclaim? i was already starting to think you might be scum, so official

FoS

on the worst.

@ft, you have some interesting points, however i felt you went to an exhausting level of detail for your calculations as if you’d bet everything in this game that this game is multiball —> which again concerns me. it’s totally possible we have a multiball setup, it’s just i have not reached that conclusion myself.

is there a possibility that one single scum team killed dgb day 1 and killed rc night 1, but someone who is relatively inexperienced with fate vigged him n1?

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how do you figure that's a scumclaim?0

well, i have an idea of your gameplay, having overseen a scum game of yours and played in a marathon game where you were scum, and i think this is something you’d pull as it seems within your scumrange to make a statement like that. you have a tendency to make statements as scum from my memory that intend to pull the wool over everyone’s eyes precisely like the one you made there, so i can only assume you might be scum

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^ fair enough. but the worst can be pretty hard to nab when he is scum, because it’s one thing being convinced he’s scum, but it’s another deal getting him lynched as scum. i learned that the hard way in my marathon game with him, where i was a doublevoter (surely, you remember this ircher, as you were the mod)! his play in the scum game of his i overseen just happened to further my stance about him being a pretty good scumplayer. he can make almost anything look genuine as scum

but i’ll digress on him for now. i really have not seen his townplay.


and also ft, your theory also assumes someone didn’t genuinely find fate scummy.

[stungun0404]

im at work for the next 5 days and im working like 11 hour days

can someone just tell me who to vote, and next day phase can we not fucking duel in the first 24hrs

ive barely read and i dont have any real opinion on antihero/porkens beyond theyve both barely posted and i dont care which one lives, and i dont see myself having time in the near future to figure that out, so ill defer to a townread on this one

what about anti? if you’re inclined to think i’m town, that’d be the right move imo.

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@ft: meh, i’m null on that post. the claim part could hypothetically be trying to protect a scum partner, though, if he is scum.

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@ft, why is creature your biggest townread when he himself has only given 1 townread/townlean in this game? and it’s on toog - who’s closer to your scumread zone. does that concern you at all?

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andddddd my toog townread is gone

can you explain this progression? i still have a townread on them — i’m not sure it’s whittled away.

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ok, let’s put these responses side-by-side and see if i can derive anything from them.

@mariar, where do you stand regarding garmr at the moment and why?

Pretty strong tr I like his posting and I can see his thoughts a buddy of mine like just read his tone and thought should be obv imo

@garmr, where do you stand regarding mariar at the moment and why?

She's as town as DGB was and I thought that since day 1 she just looks scummy to the average player.

well, i’m not quite sure either of these responses gave me the intel i wanted regarding an ai train-of-thought from either of them, BUT i feel comfortable concluding they are definitely not scum partners if one happens to flip scum as little to nothing in their iso before this was about each other, and both read somewhat genuine.

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andddddd my toog townread is gone

can you explain this progression? i still have a townread on them — i’m not sure it’s whittled away.

I mean it could just be due to rl stuff but they just popped in basically to give a quick noncommital porken read that was basically summed up to "quick-dueling is antitown" and then spent the other half just saying really obvious stuff and complaining about the game state when they basically did nothing to try and improve the gamestate.

i don’t find all this to be scummy enough to degrade a townread, though :-/
explain the “noncommital” porken read part though, as he did vote.

toog seems a little frustrated with the gamestate, and is giving me frustrated town vibes if anything. i don’t feel that scum tries to fake being avidly against the duel-state right now. sure, toog could play a better part in actively saying this BEFORE a duel, but he’s been about as consistent on his stance as anybody so far.

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i don’t find all this to be scummy enough to degrade a townread, though :-/
explain the “noncommital” porken read part though, as he did vote.

toog seems a little frustrated with the gamestate, and is giving me frustrated town vibes if anything. i don’t feel that scum tries to fake being avidly against the duel-state right now. sure, toog could play a better part in actively saying this BEFORE a duel, but he’s been about as consistent on his stance as anybody so far.

Maybe noncommital is the wrong word. Basically he comes in and says he can't determine alignment and doesn't really try but goes for the easy "quick dueling is antitown" vote. Complaining about the gamestate can be easily faked and would be easy filler. I also didn't have much to tr him for.

ok. clear difference of the levels of our townreads — mine was much stronger than yours — so i now understand where you’re coming from. if yours was as strong as mine, i’d be engaging you in further discussion now.

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@mod: if you’re around, may we get an updated vote count?

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k

FUSION BLAST: stungun0404

bad move man. but alas, i was kinda becoming disinterested in this game, so in terms of utility this may be the right move.

VOTE: Gammagooey

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congrats creature and papa zito —> very well played!

i knew i couldn’t townread creature for a reason

i wanted to kill you night 1.

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@gammagooey, i’d be interested to know what made you dayvig me. it seemed very spur-of-the-moment, so what did you find scummy about my play?