A Story Revisited (Anything uPick): Day 6

Titus · Post Post #121 (isolation #0) » Tue Sep 11, 2018 12:05 pm

In post 83, Rylai and Lina wrote:No one should take mastina claim as conftown claim

we have reasons to be skeptical about what she claimed for
reasons we don't want to share at the moment
. but there are weird things about the claim.

I'm going to read this pages in detail after getting my tea

~Sora

Hi. I am warm. Is there a Frozen Angel to warm me up or did you bring cookies?

Titus · Post Post #125 (isolation #1) » Tue Sep 11, 2018 12:06 pm

In post 119, Rylai and Lina wrote:I don't know which head I'm talking to but hi o/

and jjh there might be mechanical reasons that makes that claim useful for scum and for town

~Sora

I am not going to look at claims for now. I think many fakes could happen. Many real crumbs too. How bout Dem apples for wifom.

Titus · Post Post #130 (isolation #2) » Tue Sep 11, 2018 12:09 pm

In post 122, Maid Cafe wrote:
In post 116, jjh927 wrote:You have misunderstood.

The role is not town simply because it is a gladiator. It is town because there is no scum benefit whatsoever out of the mechanical applications of it. There's an argument that it can't even expect to be townread because I am evidently abnormal in thinking that this claim has a very high probability of being town.
I kinda just don't like how you took it at face value which is kinda the wolfy thing to do when approaching posts.
Like the role could have more depth, a JOAT ability, positive utility gained after using the gladiate or something I just can't think of off the top of my head. I think in the last game most of the scum were JOATs and it's not like I am expecting you to actually know that.
It's more that my expectation was to not take the claim at literal face value like the way you did.

+1 It's equally true Mastina could be town and lying about conditions for gladiate or the purpose.

Any role besides innocent child can work for either alignment. My favorite town game I had a really scumsided role allegedly.

Titus · Post Post #229 (isolation #3) » Tue Sep 11, 2018 1:56 pm

In post 139, Maid Cafe wrote:
In post 134, Maid Cafe wrote:
In post 131, jjh927 wrote:If Mastina is loyal and scum, she would only be able to target other scum. Therefore the role would be set up to 1 for 1 trade with town only if she wins the debate that is a gladiate. In this circumstance, it is strictly worse than a normal gladiate. If she were to target scum, her best case scenario is a no lynch, assuming that is possible, which confirms neither her nor her target as town but allows for her to play as though she has absolute proof that the other player is town--- which falls apart instantly if either of them die as the other becomes confscum.

Thus, if it is indeed as described, it would be completely useless to scum.

It is possible that this is just one ability as part of a JoaT, and with my lack of resources to determine the power-density of this game it is impossible to say more. Working with what there is, however, and believing the claim as it is (as this is the simplest option), makes it town by virtue of it A. the total lack of use to scum, B. the potential use to town at the detriment of the self, and C. the fact that people who aren't me do not consider the role to be strongly indicative of town, making it an unlikely choice for a curveball "you thought it was town but it was
me, dio
scum" role, which I think also contributes to the probability that this is not a JoaT role.

P-pardon me but c-can't the role have added power to it if she lynches a teammate o-or it's just worded like that so she looks good on a role cop? F-for all we know I think the claim is n-nai and it's not like scum mastina w-wouldn't claim it. I-I do think you believe this argument though! You could work in our cafe i-if you wanted that is...

mfw I misclick 1 color over-I mean o-oh deary me whoopsie!
Pedit: I-it can be worded like that to j-just look nice on a rolecop along with having other parts of the role n-no? I don't see why she'd claim that as town in the first place! ...Well it is Mastina

Why are we talking about rolecops? Let marina's claim sort itself, like any Miller claim. I think the simplest solution is Mastina is lying rather than a risk a mislynch 1 shot cop deal. The role makes no sense = probably a lie, sort why later.

Titus · Post Post #239 (isolation #4) » Tue Sep 11, 2018 2:09 pm

In post 236, Innocent Children wrote:
In post 229, Titus wrote:
In post 139, Maid Cafe wrote:
In post 134, Maid Cafe wrote:
In post 131, jjh927 wrote:If Mastina is loyal and scum, she would only be able to target other scum. Therefore the role would be set up to 1 for 1 trade with town only if she wins the debate that is a gladiate. In this circumstance, it is strictly worse than a normal gladiate. If she were to target scum, her best case scenario is a no lynch, assuming that is possible, which confirms neither her nor her target as town but allows for her to play as though she has absolute proof that the other player is town--- which falls apart instantly if either of them die as the other becomes confscum.

Thus, if it is indeed as described, it would be completely useless to scum.

It is possible that this is just one ability as part of a JoaT, and with my lack of resources to determine the power-density of this game it is impossible to say more. Working with what there is, however, and believing the claim as it is (as this is the simplest option), makes it town by virtue of it A. the total lack of use to scum, B. the potential use to town at the detriment of the self, and C. the fact that people who aren't me do not consider the role to be strongly indicative of town, making it an unlikely choice for a curveball "you thought it was town but it was
me, dio
scum" role, which I think also contributes to the probability that this is not a JoaT role.

P-pardon me but c-can't the role have added power to it if she lynches a teammate o-or it's just worded like that so she looks good on a role cop? F-for all we know I think the claim is n-nai and it's not like scum mastina w-wouldn't claim it. I-I do think you believe this argument though! You could work in our cafe i-if you wanted that is...

mfw I misclick 1 color over-I mean o-oh deary me whoopsie!
Pedit: I-it can be worded like that to j-just look nice on a rolecop along with having other parts of the role n-no? I don't see why she'd claim that as town in the first place! ...Well it is Mastina
Why are we talking about rolecops? Let marina's claim sort itself, like any Miller claim. I think the simplest solution is Mastina is lying rather than a risk a mislynch 1 shot cop deal. The role makes no sense = probably a lie, sort why later.
My role in my recent MU game made no sense but why do you think she’s lying? I will say that she did lie in Minuet about her role. She fakeclaimed D3 IC iirc? but was in actuality mafia vig, so I would definitely think it’s wise to take hers and probably most early claims with a grain of salt.

Occam's Razor. If a role provides no utility for town in any theory, then it's scum. If there's no scum utility, it's probably town. Those suppose honesty. Yet marina's claim makes zero sense for town as claimed. It does not help scum either. Given mods do not design roles that lack utility, we're looking at mastina lying about some part of her claim or something novel that mastina role counters.

Titus · Post Post #366 (isolation #5) » Wed Sep 12, 2018 5:06 am

Not feeling well. Will try catchup later today.

Titus · Post Post #457 (isolation #6) » Wed Sep 12, 2018 5:03 pm

VC please

Chickadee, I don't think pushing you is likely to lead to good results. Like Mastina, let the claims sort themselves.

What difference exists between town who legit SR you and opportunistic scum? Why do you think Vax is the latter?

Titus · Post Post #490 (isolation #7) » Thu Sep 13, 2018 8:06 am

VOTE: Stargazer

RC is not likely to include a flavor ascetic.

He'd say something like

On a Plane to Brazil:

You cannot be targeted by X abilities.

There could be a restriction in Chickadee's PM but I find it more likely that you're just scum Stargazer as you automatically accepted Chickadee's claim as true.

Titus · Post Post #492 (isolation #8) » Thu Sep 13, 2018 8:39 am

In post 491, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 490, Titus wrote:VOTE: Stargazer

RC is not likely to include a flavor ascetic.

He'd say something like

On a Plane to Brazil:
You cannot be targeted by X abilities.

There could be a restriction in Chickadee's PM but I find it more likely that you're just scum Stargazer as you automatically accepted Chickadee's claim as true.
wdym flavor ascetic?

Read Stargazer's claim about not receiving an item from Chickadee.

Titus · Post Post #1116 (isolation #9) » Sun Sep 16, 2018 4:14 am

Hey, are people still beating dead horses here? Sorting through the spam to get to legit good posting is hard.

Titus · Post Post #1125 (isolation #10) » Sun Sep 16, 2018 5:30 am

I feel like the majority of the thread is Vecna, just less obvious about it.

Titus · Sun Sep 16, 2018 11:36 am

In post 1176, Rylai and Lina wrote:
In post 1172, Innocent Children wrote:If FA and me were scum in this game, I’d have replaced out.
No please if you feel like that replace out already. I don't care about your alignment when it's about how not fun you are to play a game with

I said ONE THING about you being scummy and you wrote a novel about it

and YOU KEEP ACCUSING ME OF TUNNELING when I'm the only one voting you and it was only for less than 2 days.

You keep doing this ate shit like it means anything and for some reason, no one else finds your attitude scummy but me

~Sora

+1 Sounds like IC is trying to create a trust tell.

Titus · Sun Sep 16, 2018 11:42 am

In post 1184, Porkens wrote:
In post 490, Titus wrote:VOTE: Stargazer

RC is not likely to include a flavor ascetic.

He'd say something like

On a Plane to Brazil:
You cannot be targeted by X abilities.

There could be a restriction in Chickadee's PM but I find it more likely that you're just scum Stargazer as you automatically accepted Chickadee's claim as true.
How do you know?

Because I have a town PM from RC?

Is this serious?

Titus · Post Post #1211 (isolation #13) » Sun Sep 16, 2018 2:04 pm

Hey Porkens, either you can day vig the flu or deal with me being ill.

Nero, I haven't been able to catch up. Can you explain briefly the Angel thing? Tbh, I wanna vote Porkens but that's just me being spiteful. Stargazer most likely guilty but I ain't getting that today.

Titus · Post Post #1214 (isolation #14) » Sun Sep 16, 2018 3:47 pm

In post 1212, Porkens wrote:
dayvig: Titus

Sorry, i am immune to bullshit.

@Nero, Meh, not like mine's getting traction. I'll throw my vote and see what happens. See if I can get some reads/useful vc data.

VOTE: Lady Angel

Titus · Post Post #1221 (isolation #15) » Sun Sep 16, 2018 4:17 pm

Well if we wanna wagon Skygazer I'm down. I just lack the energy to yell it into existance.

Titus · Post Post #1224 (isolation #16) » Sun Sep 16, 2018 4:22 pm

In post 1223, Skygazer wrote:
In post 1220, Nero Cain wrote:meh, idk.

Like Skygazer being useless but still being around is just active lurking which
IS
fairly scummy.

Her "I didn't recieve anything b/c I might be secretly ascetic!" was kinda dumb. If I tilt my head just right I could see where a new player might think that thier flavor would trump thier role but at the same time I'm like "would town really think that?"

I was pretty annoyed when she was trolling the thread with Pork instead of playing.

but its life so I sympathize with her if she doesn't have time to play and I don't really know how to tell the difference between town that's busy and scum thats using busy as an excuse.

What are you thinking Wheme?
this flip flopping isn't really consistent with you coloring me green earlier tbh

People revisit reads. Were you just hoping to coast on a strong open?

Titus · Post Post #1314 (isolation #17) » Mon Sep 17, 2018 7:18 am

@Nero, If you're out on Lady so am I. If I am going to a vanity wagon, I'll do one that has a good chance of hitting.

VOTE: Stargazer

Titus · Mon Sep 17, 2018 11:55 am

Nero, talk to me about Porkens and Stargazer. Your thoughts?

Titus · Post Post #1401 (isolation #19) » Wed Sep 19, 2018 4:00 am

VOTE: Porkens

Tired of deflections are us.

Titus · Post Post #1418 (isolation #20) » Wed Sep 19, 2018 6:34 am

In post 1406, Nero Cain wrote:pork wagon is kinda meh.

Tbh, yeah. I am not 100% sure on it. Just tired of Porkens attacking obvious town over NAI or towny things. (I am from my perspective)

Titus · Post Post #1423 (isolation #21) » Wed Sep 19, 2018 7:11 am

In post 1419, Nero Cain wrote:no response to 1352

Not yet. No. I was wanting to see wagons from organically to assess Porkens one of us 4 is scum comment to see if it has partner viability under the rule of 3 or not.

Titus · Post Post #1429 (isolation #22) » Wed Sep 19, 2018 8:11 am

In post 1426, Nero Cain wrote:is this guy for real?

like town lurking and being useless to not get shot and scum lurking b/c you know its decent scum play have been things forever. Why are these such hard concepts for you?

I reached just vote him and move on. He's too much of a headache. Let's see if reactions help us sort.

Titus · Post Post #1434 (isolation #23) » Wed Sep 19, 2018 9:03 am

In post 1430, Nero Cain wrote:I'm still leaning slightly town. he's an ok policy lynch though.

Agree to disagree. I'm not bet the farm on Porkens and lynchbaits can be town but Porkens seems more interested in gamesmanship than solving.

Titus · Fri Sep 21, 2018 11:04 am

In post 1571, Porkens wrote:uh huh.

LYNCH MAID CAFE

I would do this too I guess.

Titus · Post Post #1756 (isolation #25) » Mon Sep 24, 2018 3:09 am

I feel like Kuroi is just the easy default place. I read the recent posting and I still don't get the wagon. The fact Kuroi is outright defending Porkens, who is a better alternative just boggles the mind unless they are scum together.

Titus · Post Post #1808 (isolation #26) » Mon Sep 24, 2018 6:33 pm

In post 1792, Innocent Children wrote:
In post 1709, KuroiXHF wrote:If I die, I wont stay dead for long. It's essentially the equivalent of a no lynch.

Lynch actually scum, like Porkens.
@Titus, is this your definition of a “defense”?

Yes. I misread the grammar. I thought he was saying Porkens was voting scum rather than Porkens being scum. I haven't had much time and took it out of context. Pretty clear I got no idea what I am doing.

Titus · Post Post #1809 (isolation #27) » Mon Sep 24, 2018 6:34 pm

In post 1803, Innocent Children wrote:
In post 1799, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 1795, Innocent Children wrote:Titus, who are you feeling, OTHER than Pork, I mean?
hopefully no one, she's married.
Lol. I obviously was referring to other wagons.

It's still funny. I wish I could claim I had a better idea but I don't. If I did, I would follow it to where it went.

Titus · Post Post #1891 (isolation #28) » Tue Sep 25, 2018 6:27 pm

So wait, this wasn't a big gambit Mastina to get you and a scumfuck as the lynches? I kinda was inferring you were lying about the loyal gladiator. Then scum would let you live longer.

Titus · Post Post #1892 (isolation #29) » Tue Sep 25, 2018 6:29 pm

In post 1829, Nero Cain wrote:She claims that we can no lynch. if you are town that lurking isn't really helping.

Dumb question, if Kuroi is town and lynching him = no lynch then why are we not testing the claim? Seems like a no downside but I have been sick so maybe that's dumb.

Titus · Post Post #1896 (isolation #30) » Tue Sep 25, 2018 7:25 pm

In post 1893, jjh927 wrote:Kuroi is town so there's no reason to test anything he claimed

Plus it sounds like some form of deathproof and that's usually 1-shot

Oh right bc gladiator. I still struggle with Mastina's claim but that's pretty duh.

Titus · Post Post #1897 (isolation #31) » Tue Sep 25, 2018 7:26 pm

VOTE: No lynch

Titus · Post Post #1935 (isolation #32) » Sat Sep 29, 2018 2:53 am

@Vecna, Honorable. Seems legit for now. Haven't slept well in about a week. Don't like being mislead but this feels more like the bulletproof vest kinda lie than the fake a guilty kind of lie.

@Nico/Porkens, Clue us in please. Nico are you claiming a guilty check?

Titus · Post Post #1991 (isolation #33) » Sun Sep 30, 2018 3:25 am

In post 1981, Nero Cain wrote:this is Civ mafia all over again.

In post 1982, Nero Cain wrote:
vote: Maid Cafe

In post 1980, Vecna wrote:Get that bussing credit while its still hot scummies. Nos is gonna be todays lynch. When I get more time its tunneling-time

Ok boys talk to me here. I like you both as town, particularly given Vecna not just outright attacking.

I still think we should lynch Porkens. Porkens attacking someone over taking care of their mental health is just ridiculous. Porkens is looking just to attack players to be doing something.

VOTE: Porkens

Titus · Post Post #2017 (isolation #34) » Mon Oct 01, 2018 7:41 pm

In post 1998, Vecna wrote:I like Titus for town here. I also really felt that last Beeboy post sounded very towny.

Why? The only things I have done are Jack and Shit. I have been trying but...

Titus · Post Post #2115 (isolation #35) » Tue Oct 02, 2018 3:02 pm

Can we lynch porkens now?

Titus · Post Post #2164 (isolation #36) » Thu Oct 04, 2018 2:57 am

In post 2134, KuroiXHF wrote:I'm not so sure being a dick is alignment-indicative. I could potentially go to Porkens, but... VOTE: Chikadee

If it was just one thing, I would be inclined to follow that more. Porkens just blindly attacked most everything day 1. He doesn't look for town at all. He's all about deflection. Almost all his "scumreads" are equally vapid.

Titus · Post Post #2255 (isolation #37) » Fri Oct 05, 2018 2:38 am

@Nero, I have been the reason for Porkens wagon being a thing. Hardly going with the flow to corral others.

As for your "lurking" comment, technically true due to real life and hating d1. I need content from others to analyze. If that's the basis for your scumread more so than going with the flow; I'll have to accept it for now.

Yet, why do you think I would pull out more awesome things while consistently dealing with lurkers and effectively a d1 redo?