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In post 12, Chickadee wrote:First!
townIn post 14, Chickadee wrote:I don't recall ever getting first post in a game, and RC MADE ME join this. So I had to shamelessly take that.
VOTE: innocent children
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wtf?In post 47, Lady Angel wrote:Vote: Innocent Children
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hehe very funnyIn post 49, Invisibility wrote:
this feels like its more likely to be a mafia roleIn post 48, mastina wrote:I was expecting a troll role when I submitted my picks, and hoh boy did RC not disappoint.
I am Ginngie, Hated Loyal Gladiator.
Outside of lylo/mylo (which is purely by the numbers, per the role wording), I take one less vote to lynch.
I can gladiate anyone by claiming a guilty on them, but if they're not town-aligned, it'll fail.
I can maybe, MAYBE use this as a conditional cop, IF we can no-lynch after a gladiate (I need to ask RC about this), but if not, yeahhhhh...Sigh- Creature
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In post 51, jjh927 wrote:But RC's votecounts don't seem to have L-numbers on rn so how do we test the hatredIn post 52, jjh927 wrote:Vizzy, those modifiers don't look like they fit well with mafiaIn post 53, jjh927 wrote:Loyal would have to be fakeclaimed, not that that's impossible or even difficult but ehIn post 55, jjh927 wrote:Actually that makes no sense as a scum fakeclaim either
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The size of your ego is colossal. This is indeed exceptional. Fascinating!In post 64, Frozen Angel wrote:egoSigh- Creature
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I still buy her claimIn post 83, Rylai and Lina wrote:No one should take mastina claim as conftown claim
we have reasons to be skeptical about what she claimed forreasons we don't want to share at the moment. but there are weird things about the claim.
I'm going to read this pages in detail after getting my tea
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You hear 'em now? "D-d-d-d-don't do-do-do-do it!In post 134, Maid Cafe wrote:In post 131, jjh927 wrote:If Mastina is loyal and scum, she would only be able to target other scum. Therefore the role would be set up to 1 for 1 trade with town only if she wins the debate that is a gladiate. In this circumstance, it is strictly worse than a normal gladiate. If she were to target scum, her best case scenario is a no lynch, assuming that is possible, which confirms neither her nor her target as town but allows for her to play as though she has absolute proof that the other player is town--- which falls apart instantly if either of them die as the other becomes confscum.
Thus, if it is indeed as described, it would be completely useless to scum.
It is possible that this is just one ability as part of a JoaT, and with my lack of resources to determine the power-density of this game it is impossible to say more. Working with what there is, however, and believing the claim as it is (as this is the simplest option), makes it town by virtue of it A. the total lack of use to scum, B. the potential use to town at the detriment of the self, and C. the fact that people who aren't me do not consider the role to be strongly indicative of town, making it an unlikely choice for a curveball "you thought it was town but it wasme, dioscum" role, which I think also contributes to the probability that this is not a JoaT role.P-pardon me but c-can't the role have added power to it if she lynches a teammate o-or it's just worded like that so she looks good on a role cop? F-for all we know I think the claim is n-nai and it's not like scum mastina w-wouldn't claim it. I-I do think you believe this argument though! You could work in our cafe i-if you wanted that is...
P-P-P-Please? Wh-wh-wh-why you gotta t-try us?
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RIPIn post 157, Innocent Children wrote:Hi guys, I’m looking forward to playing this game. My hydra partner should hopefully be along later.
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Then that's scumIn post 508, jjh927 wrote:In post 73, Rylai and Lina wrote:So for all purposes Rylai = Frozen Angel = Sora
and Lina = Shiro = Shiro
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Oh this must be the weird post restriction I heard aboutIn post 564, Vecna wrote:I am the almighty CORNHOLIO. Is this Nicaragua? I will take this land for my bunghole! Long live the almighty bunghole!Sigh- Creature
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Pokemon GO players will understand (if they're mystic)In post 2815, Gamma Emerald wrote:
The fuck is thisIn post 2790, Creature wrote:
The size of your ego is colossal. This is indeed exceptional. Fascinating!In post 64, Frozen Angel wrote:egoSigh- Creature
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I thought we already did, but sure:
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17 town 5 scumIn post 581, Invisibility wrote:btw whats the town:not town split in 22p
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This post deserves referenceIn post 746, mastina wrote:
Wanted to start with clarifying these, though.In post 314, mastina wrote:Ginngie
Nero Cain
Gamma Emerald
randomidget
Skygazer
Invisibility
jjh927
Nosferatu
Wh4t
Porkens
Innocent Children (Nancy Drew 39 & Disquieted)
Rylai and Lina (Frozen Angel & Shiro)
Maid Cafe (MariaR & Beeboy)
Whemestar
KuroiXHF
Lady Angel
Vecna
Titus
Vaxkiller
Nicorobin
Chickadee
About this.
The closer to the middle, the more hazy it gets. Note that further north is more strong than further south for this though.
I had trouble forming separation in them, to give proper tiers.
But I want to explain more where I'm coming from.
This list can be thought of as a mixture of RVS and seriousness, in that it is entirely a serious list--but it involves a lot of guesswork on my part in areas.
The players near the top, there's no guesswork needed; they are actually town for definitive reasons, but it gets hazier the further down you get.
Ginngie is my top townread here because she instantly showed herself to be town. I get that she hasn't played much--I get that I haven't played much with her recently. I get that her scumgame is always getting, progressively, better and better. But in spite of that. There's just no way that her scumgame has improved in the leaps and bounds necessary for her to have so seamlessly hidden her tells. This is her towngame, through-and-through. I'm invoking the soulread privilege here; she's townier than an innocent child, town.
Nero Cain is not far behind. Nero Cain is quite capable of faking individual aspects of his town meta. It's not like he has any singular tell which works on him. He's quite capable of, say, posting up a storm as scum. But when it comes to Nero. There isn't just one aspect of difference between his towngame and his scumgame. There are multiple. And while he's capable of faking one or maybe two aspects of his town meta as scum. He can't fake them ALL. And this game, they are all, strongly, on display; he is town.
Gamma Emerald is actually a much, much easier to read player than people give him credit for. This one's a bit hard for me to explain, but all the promising signs are there. I loved his entrance into the game, and the insights he's been giving have been...well. Insightful, meaningful, and felt gamesolvy, while at the same time having his trademark level of laziness, for lack of a better word. It's casual, effortless, and natural, rather than stilted and artificial.
randomidget is a similar read. He's not that hard to get a good read on. He's always a bit of a "low-key" player, even lower than Gamma, but as town there's a certain level of insight he has even in his more "casual" style of posting. There's aspects of scumhunting and gamesolving to be found, and all the right markers are there.
Skygazer I have extensively witnessed her scumgame and towngame quite a lot (she's been in like literally every single Normal I've been a reviewer of as of late), and this is simply put not her scumgame. Not even remotely close to her scumgame. Immediately it's obvious to anyone with experience with her. The difference between the two is night and day. Even failing meta (which is, admittedly, not as extensive as Nero/Ginngie/Gamma/random metas), there's the content she has given, all of which has been in a direction I felt was distinctly pro-town.
Invisibility, I have basically no experience with whatsoever, but his gamesolving is quite similar to the others above, following the same patterns I've outlined. The insights he's given, the content he's contributed, have all felt natural, casual, and yet been pro-town in nature.
jjh, his mechanical talk I realize people didn't like--but I didn't care for it one way or another. For me, that wasn't really important at all and didn't affect my read on him whatsoever, being thoroughly null; regardless of his alignment, I feel like he'd have said much the same things as he did there. My townread comes from his contentoutsidethe mechanical talk, which is there if you look for it; all the places he's pushing, I can understand where he's coming from and even agree with a lot of it (see also, my placement of Titus and NicoRobin on my list and his treatment of their slots).
Nosferatu, I realize is a bit of a difficult read but I've had a fair amount of experience with Nos recently. Admittedly, basically all of it as town so I don't quite have the best knowledge of Nosferatu's scumgame, but. Everything I'm seeing matches the towngame performance I'd be expecting. There's the chance that I'm simply seeing NAI stuff across games and considering it town, but I still have liked Nos's content thusfar.
Wh4t and Porkens represent the point of null--but townish null. Herein enters the guesswork. Neither had posted at the time of my list, but the guesswork comes in, of their not having posted being a little town indicative. Not all "lack of posting" is created equal; for some users, it is indicative of town, for some it is indicative of scum, and for most it's just not indicative of anything at all. Differentiating between the three is an artform at best, but my guess here was that their lack of posting was town, more than scum.
Innocent Children had posted a lot, and while I liked what I saw more than I didn't, it wasn't anything I felt was strongly clearing of them.
Rylai and Lina had posted a fair bit, but I was far more ambivalent on their content, with about equal feelings of town/scum on them, but nothing I felt was strongly indicative of alignment.
Maid Cafe had posted a fair bit, but I wasn't that fond of their content, not liking it more than I liked it--yet in spite of disliking their contributions, it didn't feel strongly alignment indicative. Scummy, without necessarily indicating being scum, if that makes sense.
WhemeStar hadn't posted, so he was another guesswork. He's more of a nullish null, in that I thought his lack of posting wasn't really indicative of alignment.
Kuroi did post--once. 285 was something which I could easily see coming from either alignment, but I felt was slightly more likely to come from scum.
Lady Angel also had only one post--47. Similarly, it was something I could see coming from either alignment, but I felt that if Lady Angel were town, it was more likely her RVS would have had interactions with those who had already posted; it did not.
Vecna hadn't posted, so while this is also guesswork, this is a scummish null, because he absolutelyshouldbe posting, and posting up a storm no less. Vecna's both an incredible wallposter, and incredible spamposter. His post count is always in the hundreds, usually the 300-800 range. And in spite of producing that number of posts, about 33-50% of said posts are wallposts. He is someone I would expect to be incredible active in the game and among the first to be posting in it, so his absence felt strange.
Below that point, you get into actual scumread territory, but admittedly, not strong scumreads.
I hated pretty much everything Titus was doing and felt it was far more likely to be pushing a scum agenda; her one saving grace is that sometimes, a town Titus really does believe in those frankly anti-town things as in her moonlogicky mind being pro-town even though they really aren't. Still. While itcouldcome from her as town, it is far more likely to come from her as scum.
Vaxkiller's entrance into the game felt entirely wrong. This is a little hard for me to really explain, but the places he's pushed and what he's doing just feel like...they're lacking something. Vaxkiller has a weird way of being oddly passionate as town, with some strange logic but still being someone with respectable good insights and reads, yet everything he's given has felt...lackluster. Like there was something from it missing.
NicoRobin is a read I am deliberately avoiding explaining for now; I am looking for something quite specific, but with it absent she's scum.
Chickadee's entrance into the game screamed scum, and nothing she's done in the game since then has shown anything else but scum. She's not scumhunting, not really, and is just kinda there, more worried about herself than she is about finding scum, with comments that don't contribute much of anything.
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can agree on Ginngie
can agree on Nero Cain
can agree on Gamma Emerald
can agree on randomidget (based on my experience with scum!him)
can agree on Skygazer
can agree on Invisibility
jjh I need to re-review, but almost there
can agree on Nosferatu, but that should be obvious
Seeing Porkens is the null line, but would put him among the town
Now for the scum:
Innocent Children did nothing tbh
Rylai and Rina didn't do anything either
Maid Cafe idk, those hydras are all weird
WhemeStar idk
Kuroi is towncleared now
Lady Angel can go tbh
Vecna would put as town
Titus idk, can't read her
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In post 0, RadiantCowbells wrote:1) The MEME MenRylai and Lina (Frozen Angel & Shiro)
2) NorthsidegalInnocent Children (Nancy Drew 39 & Disquieted)
3) FirebringerMaid Cafe (MariaR & Beeboy)
4) Nicorobin
5) Mastina
6) Gamma Emerald
7) Chickadee
8) Skygazer
9) VarsoonTitus
10) KuroiXHF
11) Invisibility
12) Porkens
13) Whemestar
14) Vecna
15) Lady Angel
18) JingleGinngie
19) Nero Cain
20) CreatureNosferatu
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