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[Toranaga]

Hello

hi sakura!

[Toranaga]

2 week day phases you must be joking.

Is this normal on this site?

WHY WASNT I INFORMED OF THIS WHEN I PRE-INNED.

Just for clariy hope yall don't hate me all my votes will be bolded but will most likely have ## <---those things before them.

##Vote: Nicorobin

Best Waifu in one piece imo.

I assume this is like low posters site or something.

not in this game

several spammers here including this handsome samurai

[Toranaga]

a random note to no one in particular that they should never contact me outside of game when we're in game

you don't need to react to this, you just need to know it will piss me off if you do it

(not something that happened on MS and none of anyone's business)

[Toranaga]

2 week day phases you must be joking.

Is this normal on this site?

WHY WASNT I INFORMED OF THIS WHEN I PRE-INNED.

Just for clariy hope yall don't hate me all my votes will be bolded but will most likely have ## <---those things before them.

##Vote: Nicorobin

Best Waifu in one piece imo.

I assume this is like low posters site or something.

yeah but their undertitle thing points to not using that account
Joined: May 16, 2012

[Toranaga]

i was joking because the guy was talking about his scum PT

claire isn't dum enough to make a multiball game

yes she is

[Toranaga]

waifu tier list in this game

S tier: dunnchan
A tier: mariaR
B tier: everyone else

nah maria is the ultimate tsundere waifu

more tsun than dere but nonetheless

[Toranaga]

vote:shinori

annoying posts

This is the level of mafia I expect from the MS.

I see you're being a condescending dick already

that's cool! wanna be friends?

[Toranaga]

Hey Tora!
Are you town?

I'm town, I hope you're town too

[Toranaga]

Confidence, or arrogance? Either way, and on an unrelated note,

What's next? A forked tongue? >:3~

hahaha

I definitely already like this game

[Toranaga]

You should probably check when my last game/post was brotha.

Have things changed that much since your last games here with regards to the deadline? Serious question here - from a quick look it seemed like you had a decent number of games already in the psat.

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p-edit:

Why do you think that warrants a vote?

It's not actually that post that I was voting him for (hence the "on an unrelated note"), it's 29. You were in Minuet's Trio so you should hopefully get the comparison when I say that it reminds me a lot of Ginngie's early posting in that game. I'll elaborate more in a second.

this is good stuff actually

[Toranaga]

I think I'm just going to wait until we get some sort of clue it's multi-ball, multiple people dead for several nights in a row for instance, otherwise I'm going to stress myself out about the multi-ball possibility.

in general mods say when it's multiball so this isn't

the existence of a single neutral is of course not too unlikely

[Toranaga]

the existence of a single neutral is of course not too unlikely

On a 13p game? nah doubt it, 9v3v1 is kinda meh. And 10v2v1 is kinda terrible for scum. I think 3rd parties are more likely on larger games, and even then, a lot of people hate using SK, dunno about Survivors tho (and idk any other neutral that isnt bastard that could be included)

pretty sure I played a 13er with a neutral on MS before but alright point taken

[Toranaga]

how bad is it that sakura already pocketed me by just being there

[Toranaga]

it's ok i townread her after her like second post

yeah I vibe with it

[Toranaga]

stop mansplaining french to maria

[Toranaga]

also you're assume votecounts' gender which is quite troublesome

[Toranaga]

stop mansplaining french to maria

a dumb wench like maria needs a big strong man to explain things to her

you're only a big strong man in mafia games buddy

[Toranaga]

says the guy with a toshiro mifune avatar

[Toranaga]

how do you imagine me irl?

I have no idea, but I'm assuming you don't even lift bro

[Toranaga]

still dislike toranaga

you called me null then suddenly I'm a scumread, huh

also why are you spamming this thread with nonsense?

[Toranaga]

Tora is spammy like he says gonna need hin to start posting entire pages by himself before I (hopefully) accurately read him.

I can see anony being scum if RC is town. I don't like all the multi-ball speculation so early in the game. It's not helpful and one of the people involved is likely scum for trying to continue it. But he did ask the mod directly which seems like a great way to fake having no info and since all scum are the same to town scum are more interested in confirming if it's multi.

Koki seems less jokey than his usual self.

@Dunn - okay thanks. Well my thinking was that he got that character but faked the role if scum. I don't think he would fake the role without getting the actual character. Like if he isn't that character no way that's a fake role becuase it's so detailed and random. Does that make sense?

UNVOTE:

VOTE: tora I feel like he's buddying people

I am buddying sakura, yes

expect a whole lot of me buddying sakura

also I wanna see you keep a scumread on me all game so I know you caught me on that 9er for bs reasons and can't actually read me in any capacity

other than that, hi bujaber.

[Toranaga]

bujaber, did you not see me spamming a bunch of stuff as a scum in our last game together? why would me doing the same thing this game put me anywhere for you reads wise?

the way the threadstate looks any half decent wolf can put up some effort into trying to look towny. which is why RC's posting is pinging me. he basically decided to just spam it up and his posts are all lamist contentless crap.

[Toranaga]

why am I "spamming the thread with nonsense"?

you really are. #323 forward is fucking word salad.

[Toranaga]

like Toranaga doesn't describe my play as contentless crap if he's scumreading me, he knows better than that. I have ends and shit. But as scum trying to push on town me because I'm a little scary rn, yeah you get 'contentless crap'.

I know better than what?

you're a lamisty spammy ass wolf, are you not?

[Toranaga]

are you ready for the goddamn holy war toranaga because you're about to get it.

you know you look ridiculous everytime you t-dome anyone regardless of what your alignment is, right?

that you're the spammiest person on the site doesn't make you particularly convincing. you just annoy people. so no, I'm not ready for the "holy war", I'd very much like you to do something different than measure the online cock every game you play so us t-doming is going to be horrible. don't. if you wanna do it, sure I have a couple of hours to make this a shit fest, but don't.

I'm still catching up.

[Toranaga]

that was easy

good job rc you're so good at this game

RadiantCowbells talk to himself show

[Toranaga]

nah, you know what?

RadiantCowbells Aug 28, 04:53pm Aug 30, 04:35am 0 days 0 hours 137
Shinori Aug 28, 02:16pm Aug 30, 02:45am 0 days 1 hour 56

this is too ridiculous. I want to literally filter out your crap. why are you posting so much? fucking condense or something. go open the other games. idk. jesus christ this is unreadable because you kept typing, RC. what is wrong, man?

[Toranaga]

but half of it is shit

[Toranaga]

yes, from the point of view of anyone that isn't you which clearly you're not self aware enough to subscribe

[Toranaga]

you're over a third of the thread. there are 13 players. if no one else is talking, you spamming isn't going to help much. you just have to wait until there's a game. that's why I'm being an asshole. game is crap cause there's too much you. I can deal with only so much you.

[Toranaga]

Deadass did not look at this player list until right now and its fantastic.

I think this is a town post.

Feels like scum have more incentive to look at the player list so that they can plan ahead. Plus, they already know 2 out of the 9 players in the list and maybe wouldn't feel the need to announce this sort of glee as much as a town player would.

that's so reachy but I can also kind of vibe with it and I think it's towny to think these things

[Toranaga]

Buddying? Mind elaborating?

buddying is trying to be on someone's good side for game related reasons

it's a difficult accusation to make since much of the buddying is just humans being social creatures. e.g. I was accused of buddying by bujaber, and I get why he thinks that but I'm also legitimately excited to be playing with sakura so it's one of these things. I'm also excited to be playing with bujaber, he is very good and I hope he is town cause he'll certainly be helpful if so. he probably can't read me though

[Toranaga]

do you have any spicy early game reads?

Not exactly, at best i have a gut lean town on you

and Tora

.
(Also my first instinct was to treat my hood like a masonry but that fell flat coz i got the math wrong).
And now im having biochem flashbacks.

successful buddying at work

how is this thing about math being wrong and treating the hood like a masonry?

also... there are mechanical aspects about the hoods I'd like to discuss in public and I think we benefit from having all these discussions in public until night comes.

but basically I suggest us claiming everything mechanical from the hoods and then we go from there. also I suggest not having any conversations inside the hood cause you don't know who is scum there and who is avoid. please avoid getting pocketed. I opened my hood and it was already "blablabla someone always scumreads me" and I already think that's probably a wolf wanting to discuss in game shit inside a neighborhood cause that's easier to do and easier to pocket people with than doing so in the thread.

[Toranaga]

I'll be back later gotta watch a movie

[Toranaga]

I am buddying sakura, yes

expect a whole lot of me buddying sakura

also I wanna see you keep a scumread on me all game so I know you caught me on that 9er for bs reasons and can't actually read me in any capacity

other than that, hi bujaber.

You probably don't agree but I'm counting 2/2 accuracy on reading you you have to admit you were PR fishing.

Though in all fairness lavos flipping before you helped in cul de sac. I don't know I had him as a higher scumread than you but like if he flipped scum it would clear you so let's say I got that one half right.


Anyway I need to engage you and a vote is one way to do it.

I was nightkilled before lavos flipped

you're 1/2 and you might be 1/3 if you keep scumreading me here. I was PR fishing, I thought if we didn't out PRs we'd lose the game on d1 regardless of whether I was lynched or not. also I had a massive wanting to win that game just because I took it on such a poor state but it was definitely still winnable cause nothing mechanical was acting against my slot.

I'll be back in a bit and, btw, I'm reading it through and I don't actually have a reason to scumread RC, don't think I can read him to any capacity, but if he wants to turn shit into a pissing contest I'll happily do it.

[Toranaga]

RC had 137 posts and the second highest was 56

it's not a scumread, I'm just annoyed by how much he posted ITT. I don't think it helps and he pissed me off already so I was shit flinging. don't read into it. it's cool.

[Toranaga]

you certainly pissed me into posting so good job mate

[Toranaga]

I feel like kokichi posting any content is a bad look tbh

[Toranaga]

I was planning on catching up anyway and you distracted me a lot tbh but sure

I never played against wolf kokichi to tell any difference but he is being way more engange-y with reads and stuff than I remember him ever being as town.

[Toranaga]

1) There are 4 neighborhoods with 1 shot factional powers each
2) After the day is over along with any night action if any you have. please vote for what world you want to win and use their power the vote is private and you will not know what world won.

@Tora - Neighborhood mechanics are on the first page. Why do you feel the need to discuss them?

what their powers are and who's in which

[Toranaga]

see that's why I wanna talk about this. I think there's definitely benefits in claiming the powers, I'm just not yet sure the positives surpass the negatives

knowing who's in the hood isn't really anything special so I guess we're all claiming that already.

we shouldn't speculate if it's one in which or any other combinations and we should treat the neighborhoods as NAI, but knowing what powers is in each one makes it so that we have control over those powers as a collective, while we could have e.g. a certain power in hands of a 2/3 scum hood, they kill the towny in it and run the thing wild alongside their factional powers. this is just an example. we could ofc have a 3-town hood where claiming the powers wouldn't benefit us, but the safest route seems to be claiming everything from the get go.

that's just my 2c and I can be convinced otherwise ofc.

[Toranaga]

see that's why I wanna talk about this. I think there's definitely benefits in claiming the powers, I'm just not yet sure the positives surpass the negatives

knowing who's in the hood isn't really anything special so I guess we're all claiming that already.

we shouldn't speculate if it's one in which or any other combinations and we should treat the neighborhoods as NAI, but knowing what powers is in each one makes it so that we have control over those powers as a collective, while we could have e.g. a certain power in hands of a 2/3 scum hood, they kill the towny in it and run the thing wild alongside their factional powers. this is just an example. we could ofc have a 3-town hood where claiming the powers wouldn't benefit us, but the safest route seems to be claiming everything from the get go.

that's just my 2c and I can be convinced otherwise ofc.

My first thought would be - if I were to argue that we shouldn't discuss this stuff - "no, we shouldn't talk about this because we could leak info to scum."

Then I realize that the 1 scum per 3 out of the 4 neighborhoods could be a thing and they're already informed about 3 out of the 4 factional powers.

So, that's kind of a moot point since the town's the one left as the uninformed at this point if scum are spread out amongst the neighborhoods. Plus, they have day chat, so it's more than likely they've already told one another who's inside each hood and what power each hood offers.

yes, that's the main reason why town should know the powers. the number of of scum infiltrated in any given hood is elevated enough on average (4 hoods with 3 people in each and there are 3 scum, so on average scum will know about at least 2 hoods unless they're all gathered in the same hood, and very often 3 hoods) that we're literally just levelling the field by having everyone know hood powers.

[Toranaga]

I can be convinced otherwise as I said. for instance, there's a chance one or more hood powers are only really useful in hands of town if scum doesn't know about them. on the other hand, one of the hoods might have a night kill, and that's really better off if we know about it now because of some circumstances where that kill ends up being 100% controlled by scum, either by killing the town players in that hood before that power is outed in thread, or by working ways to have it concealed through pocketing the town in the hood into thinking it's best to decide those kills at night within hood members etc.

[Toranaga]

yeah the powers should be outed so we can vote them ITT, there's no arguing against it. I was under the false impression we'd be able to use those powers every night, but we definitely need 100% control over the votes because scum can coordinate between them to have preferable powers being used at night when they're not all packed in the same hood.

[Toranaga]

if everyone votes their own worlds but scum is divided into 3 hoods, they'll just vote pack onto whichever of those 3 powers is preferable for them and work out their factional abilities around it

it's pointless not to out the abilities so that we'll do informed votes on which power we want used every night.

ok that's out of the way already.

[Toranaga]

I couldn't finish catching up with the thread and I won't for a while now

[Toranaga]

@bujaber: lol no you did it just fine, I was just coming to terms with it myself

I hope that's gonna be clear to everyone

anon: well for instance there could be a "doc all hood members". if town has no killing ability themselves, that's only really handy if there's both no scum in that particular hood, and on top of it that hood never tells the thread about it.

I don't think we are supposed to ever know how the scum is distributed amongst the hoods, no. also I'm assuming 3 scum cause 13 players but who knows...

[Toranaga]

@Tora: The math fail thing was because I initially thought that the hoods were 4/4/4/5, but it turns out 3/3/3/4 make more sense.
UNVOTE:
So now you agree with me about Buja being town >_>

In any case my hood has 4 people, which means it has a higher chance of containing 1 or 2 scum in it. I dont think scum are necessarily spread 0/1/1/1, it's possible scum are randomized, but in both cases my hood most likely contains scum than not, so since scum has this info already anyway, my hood is composed of: me, anony, dunn and moment.

yeah your hood and your hood powers should be outed first

[Toranaga]

I don't like the anon wagon but maybe you guys know him better than I do

feels legitimately concerned with mechanics in a way I read as towny

[Toranaga]

Pretty sure toranaga was the only person who expressed interest in this when he wrote that in 398

nah, I'm just correct about it and I'm assuming everyone can see the merits in claiming the hoods

[Toranaga]

Anonymousghost feels utterly devoid of personality and that makes me fairly sure she's scum here.

hard disagree

[Toranaga]

Hey Tora!
Where's your head at right now.

I think buja and anon are town and I have no scumreads

hopefully I will when I'm read up

[Toranaga]

I don't mind claiming now, maybe I'll just die faster or be ignored and then I can just stop playing this game because playing with people like RadiantCowbells makes me want to actually strangle myself because it pains me to live in the same plane of existence as them.

Every odd night I give out snowmen!
If someone holding a snowman kills me it will be publicly announced that they are shivering.

It's better for me to just claim and stop talking to RC and point out that he's actually being very scummy at the moment instead of actually trying to communicate with someone like this.

did you expect this claim to clear you?

it seems to be missing something too. you're like an enhanced odd night fruit vendor.

sure you don't do anything on even nights?

[Toranaga]

penguin can be town as well now

I was pinged by sakura voting AG cause I didn't think her main reasoning (too much mech talk) is something she believes to be particularly scummy, and personally I felt AG's approach was very pure sounding. I also don't think it's in sakura's personality as town to use sheeping a player as a reason to vote/scumread anyone d1.

it's early and it's a very weak ping. I have reasons to townread her as well.

[Toranaga]

RC was banging out them posts as fast as I was and then just stopped dead in his tracks after my claim.

That's pretty lulz worthy.

Also Gonna have to agree with Dunn about Kokichi's last post.

##Vote: Kokichi

shinori's posts leading up to this vote are pretty towny. I can vibe with his frustration for being scumread "for no reason" and the early claim feels genuine.

I also liked moment's posting up to this.

[Toranaga]

eh

VOTE: Moment
VOTE: Toranaga

really not sure sakura is town rn

she is actually wolfy around you tdoming two likely villagers

doesn't want to commit to anything and is trying to get to your good side

[Toranaga]

Shinori - His claim.
Kokichi - I don't know if he spotted Shinori's claim or not, but the point he raised against Shin - keeping an RVS vote over a scum vote - was a keen observation, hence town.
BuJu - His argument with RC surrounding the joke thing. There seems to be a lack of scum motive for pushing for something so minute, even less so when you consider he was pushing it against RC of all people.
Tora - He setup suggestion has pro-town motive IMO.
RC - Mainly effort based, but that's a low bar to pass when I consider the rest of the player list.

When did I keep an RVS vote a scum vote?

you rvs voted dunn and then rolled with it when you felt he was being scummy.

not that I wanna respond for her but she just stated a fact. I don't think it's particularly AI and idk why kokichi would think it is, or why AG would townread him for thinking it.

[Toranaga]

Maybe you weren't buddying sakura. Maybe sakura was buddying you. Maybe sakura is sheeping RC for the same reason.

I'm vibing with this, yes.

I don't think RC pushes people that strongly that early just to backtrack on his stances and strong townread them as a wolf. it does feel like he is just anxious to solve the game and shooting everywhere as a result.

sakura's safe stances around the time RC was tunneling shinori/buja feel like someone that knows RC is town and knows his pushes are wrong, but wants to buddy up with RC cause she fears he might shift his tunnel on her direction.

[Toranaga]

RC/AG/buja/moment/shinori/penguin are degrees of towny

[Toranaga]

dunn is also fine

kokichi is different than every game I played with town!him. might indicate something.

popo is fine.

nico is null.

I think kokichi/sakura/? is a decent first guess.

[Toranaga]

yes

[Toranaga]

so I'm townreading wolves

[Toranaga]

ok

what do you think of bujaber?

[Toranaga]

can you read RC well, sakura?

[Toranaga]

sakura, I'm not seeing anywhere in your ISO an explanation for the buja townread

can you point this to me?

[Toranaga]

yeah but you voted him afterwards

[Toranaga]

IDK what sakura was supposed to have done. I'm reading her as town again at any rate.

I have never played with this version of you and this is definitely not something I've ever seen from scum!you.

[Toranaga]

I'm sitting here with 0 scumreads and reading isn't helping me get anywhere

[Toranaga]

you wolfread half the game already, it's impractical to play like this as scum

[Toranaga]

Idk what anony's done to get TR tbh.

I don't think it's true that she was too hooked on mechanics and her thoughts about it progressed villagery in the thread. I like her reads list. I see nothing scummy about her.

[Toranaga]

mmm

what if wolfreading half the game makes everyone think I wouldn't do this as scum

yes, so?

[Toranaga]

dude I don't care about your slot enough

you're in a townpile, get over it

[Toranaga]

yeah what, I'm scum because I'm townreading someone you're not and you're not self aware enough to realise you look towny?

good god

[Toranaga]

I mean I hope for your sanity you're town

you don't need to do any of this shit to win as scum

[Toranaga]

oooooook

[Toranaga]

If i were to put it into words, anony feels underwhelming.

that's how I feel about you a bit

I never played with her before so IDK what to expect. if you can phrase your scumread on her on something more substantial than "underwhelming" I can understand better where you're coming from.

[Toranaga]

ok. I don't know her at all to make or judge any of these arguments

[Toranaga]

I never saw her play as scum

anyway I'm back later

[Toranaga]

I'm sitting here with 0 scumreads and reading isn't helping me get anywhere

Can you elaborate on why popo is 'fine' instead of null?

Also townreading moment seems too fast. He/she had townie looking posts but it was very early in the game and he/she hasn't commenting on the later stuff yet.

One small thing that pinged me about AG was how quickly she confirmed the blazblu world neighbors. Just feels like an easy way to look helpful. Nobody questioned sakura on it or contradicted her so why the eagerness to claim it? But nothing else seems particularly scum-indicative but I don't know her meta so meh

it's a lot of small things, right? I liked popo disliking moment's entrance. I kinda like moment's tone? like the way he is approaching the game seems particularly confident and based, but he can totally be a wolf. they can both be wolves, and I'm sure my townreads are not all accurate.

I don't think AG confirming her world is AI.

[Toranaga]

yeah my reads are bullshit bujaber

for instance I'm wolfreading your posts to tell you the truth, and I can't even elaborate on that properly. like I just feel you're talking about things you wouldn't notice as town, like jokes and whatnot. like nitpicking on my easy and probably bad townreads. IDK if that's how you town. you didn't really give me this impression when we played.

but then again... with the thread as dead as it is, why wouldn't you just bring up anything as a conversation start? so... yeah

this isn't progressing in any way lmao what a game

[Toranaga]

@Tora - Are you going to tell us what your neighborhood can do?

did anyone else claim? I can do it and I'll accept my neighbors being mad at me and kicking my ass at night when thread is locked, since I won't even ask them

actually I should ask them in thread

@neighbors: should we claim?

[Toranaga]

oh damn so you guys did it

our power is... so bad if we claim it lol

[Toranaga]

I'll do my best to get into it again but it's weekend so it's hard for me to really pay attention to much mafia during that period

but yeah I need to re-read the whole game at this point. it's how detached I got.

[Toranaga]

did you show RC enough personality to be accepted as a member of this town, anon?

[Toranaga]

In post 433, AnonymousGhost wrote:
In our hood, we can vote for someone to become an anonymous town leader with special powers.

wow nice

[Toranaga]

we're 100% voting you guys I think

do we need to claim ours? cause if we're just electing your world anyway, we're not gonna use ours

I promise it's not a vig

[Toranaga]

In post 434, BuJaber wrote:
And what would happen if you target scum with it?

why am I scumreading you buj?

I mean there's nothing with the question per se but why ask that? isn't it obvious? the leader will get special powers regardless of what alignment they are.

[Toranaga]

did you show RC enough personality to be accepted as a member of this town, anon?

Apparently not.

In other hood news, Sakura's threatened that the next perso to vote between either Penguin or I will die, thus ending the day. Happy times, am I right?

yeah just ignore that pair, they know nothing

(or everything)

so yeah I think we should vote your world and then you guys should really just elect the towniest player (and please exclude RC he is just hell to deal with and will be extra pain with special powers).

btw what are the powers the leader has?

[Toranaga]

who's your hood anon? I suggest not lynching anyone in it for many reasons.

[Toranaga]

and if RC and sakura are targeting the people from your hood they can already both die

and yes that's how quickly I'm turning the knife on the two of you

I'm watching you

there's scum between you

[Toranaga]

we should NEVER reduce the number of players inside the hood we're activating tonight

if anyone doesn't think it's obvious why ask me and I'll explain

[Toranaga]

This wretched mischief is now coursing through your souls
Never to let go
Never to let go

[Toranaga]

who's your hood anon? I suggest not lynching anyone in it for many reasons.

Sakura already posted it, but it's me, Sakura, Dunn, and Moment.

I'm bored, you're here, tell me why please.

I'm leaving after this post but sure

you, sakura, dunn, moment, ok

that's a towny sounding group overrall

the reason is, if your hood is the hood we're going to pick, mislynching in that group is awful because it could mean we lose total control over this ability to a wolf majority, in case there are two wolves in that hood, and even if there's only 1 we want as little as possible scum interference with deciding the night action.

so for this hood and for whatever hood we pick keeping the numbers as high as possible is wise. we should never lynch inside the hood that's being activated to avoid the potential for scum controlling things.

[Toranaga]

VOTE: toranaga

IDC about this hood speculation I just want to Lynch scum.

VOTE: radiant cowbells

[Toranaga]

I mean if anything, lynching RC stops half the noise spamming from the thread

not that anyone cares about the game anymore apparently

this is super slow

[Toranaga]

do this

lynch me, then lynch RC tomorrow

just do it

thanks

[Toranaga]

have him pay for acting so confident with such bad reads

leggo

[Toranaga]

I don't care if he is town

RC plays every game like he is some sort of mafia god and he is really not that

your confidence in your reads must be directly correlated with your evidence that the people are town/wolf

he has nothing to call be a wolf for and keeps pushing for my lynch. he did the same to anon.

[Toranaga]

btw I find anon's reaction to thinking she was hammered and then voting buj pretty good and I think buj is wolfy

I want RC dead when I flip. lynch me folks.

[Toranaga]

honestly bujaber is totally scum but I'm not really in the mood to explain things

just kill him and RC at some point

[Toranaga]

my impression this entire time was that anon was being pushed for severely flawed/unexistant reasons

and I don't like the tone of any of the people doing it when they're doing it

so I'm suspecting them. I think sakura looks bad, RC looks bad, bujaber looks bad.

[Toranaga]

also not talking about neighborhood abilities and it's best use because "I just wanna lynch scum" is a nonreason and not something RC ever actually thought of as town.

if he did, shame on him. string him up.

we should vote for the 4 team hood and never lynch them this gameday for obvious reasons.

[Toranaga]

ok you're town

RC isn't.

[Toranaga]

let me explain the hood thing again

we have 4 hoods: 4, 3, 3, 3

the one with the lower chance of having a wolf majority is the one with 4

the hood with 4 players is also the most likely to benefit town on n1 considering what others claimed so far (I think; it's definitely better than our power for this night)

we want all 4 hood members voting

if we choose this hood for powers and lynch inside the hood, we have a higher chance of turning that hood into a wolf majority. which would suck opening a power there that's in control of scum.

this is extremely easy to figure out. we're not lynching anon and I don't like any of you pushing her. she might be scum, but she is not a good lynch today.

[Toranaga]

"o but im so good mafia player my reads blebleble" no you're not, and even if you were, we cannot just sheep you and hope you're right. I'm not doing that.

[Toranaga]

I'm not trying to townlead or anything, this is just my opinion

[Toranaga]

You townread me, correct? Don't you see the contradicitons in Tora's scumread on me? And don't you find it weird when I brought it up to him twice directly both times he tried to ignore it because he knows I'm right?

ZIE CONTRADICTIONZ

[Toranaga]

I scumread kokichi cause he is typing to his keyboard more than he was everytime he was town with me

that's the whole extent of it

[Toranaga]

I hadn't made any reads. In fact most of my posts at that point had been filler or voting without context (which according to him should be a town trait of mine.)

And I think the neighborhood thing isn't something that's worth looking into. I think a mislynch in a mislynch, it doesn't matter how many in the hood.

no mate

you're just wrong here, I promise you my sweet sweet prince

[Toranaga]

mechanics are there for us to exploit them, right?

find the scum that's not in that hood

I'm offering myself up. string me up idc. but activate that hood. and then kill RC for me cause it'll be fun.

[Toranaga]

it's WIFOM if the kill happens there

scum outside of that hood will wanna kill on that hood as well

they will kill inside that hood, we can't reduce those numbers brother

[Toranaga]

like if anon is scum and we removed scum on the hood, that's so great

but if we remove town, there's a real danger we're just giving scum powers

and even if it's only 1/4 scum there, the influence a scum player has on a 3 player hood is superior to a 4 player hood

there's so many reasons to do not lynch there. we can't ever lynch in the hood we're giving powers to unless we have a guilty.

man I wish FA subbed into this lol

[Toranaga]

yeah don't need to chastise him for it, it's one word in a 31 page thread

will the leader know he is leader? sure, right?

we don't know what leader does and what their powers are so we need to test this ability anyway I think

if the leader knows they're leader, we'll have cross claims from the voters and the leader voted so we'll always know who is leader. there's really no need for it to be mod announced.

[Toranaga]

Conf bias makes me question how he could forget it when he literally asked me what happens if scum becomes town leader.

idk why but I'm starting to see why people scumread you

[Toranaga]

look, buj, let's do this in a different way

wanna kill inside the hood? sure let's do it, but then don't activate that hood. if we kill inside that hood and it's a townflip, that hood will be the more likely to have scum in it relatively speaking (and wait for it cause I know this is a mathematical fallacy), as long as the host didn't literally rand the hood from scum/town without any "balancing" adjustment. if the host has any bias to spread the scum members alongside the hoods, the 4 player hood that loses a member with a town lynch will be the most likely to have at least one scum in it. as the other hoods will also all be 3 members, we should pick one of them instead.

does that make any sense?

[Toranaga]

I get that a lot.

I just feel you're bugging him for a minor thing that isn't alignment indicative. you're being very defensive but maybe in your place, being the top wagon, I would be too. so I'm not reading too much into it.

[Toranaga]

I need

the worst
FA
idk, sakura with any will to play

someone like that to be in this game

[Toranaga]

it's a very interesting thing where we pick the 4 player hood because it's the most likely to have the town majority in it, but once a player is removed and flips town, picking any other is better cause this is suddenly the one that's most likely to have a scum majority

[Toranaga]

if you wanna flip anon, let's just pick another hood to activate. it's ~fine. I was tunneling the idea of using that hood cause I think we wanna know what the leader does but oh well.

FA is frozen angel and she'd be obsessing over mechanics with me since you guys don't wanna do it.

[Toranaga]

it's a very interesting thing where we pick the 4 player hood because it's

the least likely to have a scum majority in it

, but once a player is removed and flips town, picking any other is better cause this is suddenly the one that's most likely to have a scum majority

FMP

[Toranaga]

yeah

speaking of which, with all of these lurkers it's a shame if we lose anon and she flips town since she is actually playing

I think it's a bad lynch for many reasons and I don't scumread her at all

[Toranaga]

in which case, tell the thread who you're voting so scum has to gambit going there and being watched/tracked/stopped by doc seems like a good initial plan

I'll think more about this in a bit

hi sakura

[Toranaga]

[Toranaga]

I hadn't made any reads. In fact most of my posts at that point had been filler or voting without context (which according to him should be a town trait of mine.)

And I think the neighborhood thing isn't something that's worth looking into. I think a mislynch in a mislynch, it doesn't matter how many in the hood.

no mate

you're just wrong here, I promise you my sweet sweet prince

Am I scum or wrong?

you can actually be both in this argument, can't you dear?

[Toranaga]

Ok now that I have power back.
First of all neither Dunn nor Moment have voted, anony removed her vote, so if Tora's SOOOOO WORRIEEEED about me being "scum" that is going to "put scum as town leader", then he should be lynching me not RC.

Second, the voting happens during the day, im not sure if whoever's lynched has their vote still count (mental note to ask the mod about this), more importantly, yes my hood does have the largest chance of holding at least one scum, I don't see how that should deter anyone from lynching there.

Third, we arent guaranteed to have any protectives/watchers, we also dont know what roles scum have (like strongman or ninja). The safest way to get a leader not killed is to eliminate whoever's the mole in our hood, but OH NO! Tora doesnt want to lynch there ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Fourth, Apparently im scum for pushing someone from my hood to the point they almost thought they died to my ability and such a reaction made me go "oh this is probably town", instead of... you know, ending the day early with only my vote on a leader, by actually using my ability (which i lose if i hit town with it btw).
VOTE: Tora

yeah you're totally scum lol

[Toranaga]

I just played with you sakura, you're absolutely amazing with your reads. very sensible, logic heavy player. none of what you wrote about me is a sensible scumread. you're OMGUSing and showing your colours very very hard.

[Toranaga]

I scumread kokichi cause he is typing to his keyboard more than he was everytime he was town with me

that's the whole extent of it

But I want at the point you scumread me. I had about 8ish posts? If that. I only started posting a lot AFTER you stated you scumread me which is a difference

yeah but you usually post nothing

I'm not scumreading you now fwiw. I think the push on me from you is alright? it's definitely very different from every town game I've seen from you yet but it's not pinging as a scummy thing you're doing.

you are weirdly participative for what I know of you. maybe you can't see this, but 8 posts early on a gameday is actually uncharacteristic.

IDK. gun to head = no idea on kokichi.

[Toranaga]

I just played with you sakura, you're absolutely amazing with your reads. very sensible, logic heavy player. none of what you wrote about me is a sensible scumread. you're OMGUSing and showing your colours very very hard.

Yeah man, my reads are totally amazing every game, that's how i singlehandlely lost the game for town on Forgotten Hourglass.

you know what the problem is, sakura? you're just not vibing town to me. we just played together and now you're different. I'm not different though, so it's weird that you're voting me on top of it as well.

[Toranaga]

How is anything he said in those 2 quotes AI??

I just kinda felt it. I could be wrong.

[Toranaga]

btw I find anon's reaction to thinking she was hammered and then voting buj pretty good and I think buj is wolfy

I want RC dead when I flip. lynch me folks.

"I think Buj is scummy but I want a policy lynch instead"

Translation

and so what?

[Toranaga]

I am still here
Still floating by
In the endless blue

you're the towniest poster in this page, congratulations

[Toranaga]

bottom line is: I think anon is town, and I think the people pushing anon (sakura, RC, buj) contain at least one scum

from these 3 I think bujaber is the most likely town. if sakura is town I'd be able to read her that way, possibly, but not this gameday and not while she is pushing me on bad reasoning that makes nobody scummy.

[Toranaga]

Ok now that I have power back.
First of all neither Dunn nor Moment have voted, anony removed her vote, so if Tora's SOOOOO WORRIEEEED about me being "scum" that is going to "put scum as town leader", then he should be lynching me not RC.

Second, the voting happens during the day, im not sure if whoever's lynched has their vote still count (mental note to ask the mod about this), more importantly, yes my hood does have the largest chance of holding at least one scum, I don't see how that should deter anyone from lynching there.

Third, we arent guaranteed to have any protectives/watchers, we also dont know what roles scum have (like strongman or ninja). The safest way to get a leader not killed is to eliminate whoever's the mole in our hood, but OH NO! Tora doesnt want to lynch there ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Fourth, Apparently im scum for pushing someone from my hood to the point they almost thought they died to my ability and such a reaction made me go "oh this is probably town", instead of... you know, ending the day early with only my vote on a leader, by actually using my ability (which i lose if i hit town with it btw).
VOTE: Tora

let me break this down just because it really annoyed me to have to read this coming from sakura

1 - I don't know who voted in the hood my queen. and I'm not expecting people to not vote on the hood when we achieve a majority. I'm expecting the people from the 4 player hood to be at least on top of who they'll vote as leader. also, I just explained 3 to 4 times why I don't want anyone in the 4 player hood lynched this gameday. why would you even push me for this, sakura?

2 - I just explained so much and in such detail. I'm going to assume you're pretending to not understand my logic here, but just in case you're legitimately either confused or disregarding the things I'm saying, let me explain to you and everyone else again:

the hood of 4 players is the one with the most interesting power and the one least likely to contain a scum majority (it'd have to be 3/4 scum players).

if we lynch inside that hood, and a player flips town, we'll now have the hood with the highest likelihood of containing scum from all the 3 player hoods, as long as the moderator distributed in any sort of equitable manner the number of scum in each hood.

that also brings the point that we should both a) decide in the thread which neighborhood we are activating at night and b) never lynch inside the neighborhood we are activating at night. that's because the more people alive in the hood we have, the less control scum is going to have over the abilities on average. this isn't a hard concept and I'm sure sakura understands it completely.

3 - you're shooting in the dark though. why is anon a wolf anyway? she is awkward, yeah I can see it, she makes some weird sounding posts, but is she scummy? I don't see her being scummy. I think she has been towny and behaved in a towny manner to being fake lynched. I'm not lynching there and I take your jumping to conclusions that a) there is only one scum and that b) that scum is anon, quite worrysome. I just don't think those are lines that go over your head when you're town, sakura.

4 - I didn't see you townread anon. that's good, that's smart. so what do you think of me being the only one defending her, while laying out a thought process that guarantees neither of you will get lynched this gameday and I'm also willing to activate your ability and trust the hood's judgement in electing a leader? is any of this indicative of scummy agenda?

I'm very concerned with you. I can't help but think you're simply better than this. I'm sorry if I'm wrong and you're town, but if you're town you have room and time to improve your posting. help me get there?

[Toranaga]

Btw Tora, friendly reminder to not bring up ongoing games, they dont exist, no big harm done yet, but if you're gonna bring meta from me, there's several games to choose from, including a game that's finished that we did play together, and is also one of the reasons i question why you dont think this could come from town me.

my hydra game with HEM? you were hooked on logic heavy wolfhunting from the start and your posting was actually smart scumhunting that I arrogantly pushed against because I felt maki's emotions were genuine (she was scum). I'm just expecting better. more self awareness, more awareness of the likelihood that RC might be trying to pocket you, more evaluation on other slots around you. IDK. do I expect too much from you?

I'm sorry I brought something else up. let me rephrase it: I know you and you know me. if you're town, work with me and help me see that you're town. I don't see it yet. do you think I was supposed to be townreading you? if so, why?

[Toranaga]

Tora come on man. It's almost like you want to be lynched.

I engage you and show you why you are wrong. Even if you still think you're right I've shown you a valid argument why someone would lynch in the hood. You scumreading everyone who disagrees with you is totally unreasonable if town.

maybe I want to be lynched, but I don't think I'm wrong. I'm scumreading people who are scumreading anon cause there's nothing to scumread her for and I think it's a scum motivated wagon.

[Toranaga]

I didn't play danganronpa. the games I played with you, kokichi, were all ones were your activity levels were brutally low and you were always town. I'm just reading different activity as maybe alignment indicative. I don't know how that's a bad read. there are some players who post a lot more as scum than as town. acidphoenix from this site is an example. I don't know if I should keep scumreading you cause I like how you're pushing me so, yeah.

[Toranaga]

I didn't play danganronpa. the games I played with you, kokichi, were all ones were your activity levels were brutally low and you were always town. I'm just reading different activity as maybe alignment indicative. I don't know how that's a bad read. there are some players who post a lot more as scum than as town. acidphoenix from this site is an example. I don't know if I should keep scumreading you cause I like how you're pushing me so, yeah.

But the thing is. I had a low post count when you were scumreading me. Soooo?

not to your meta, no. 8 posts early is actually a lot, and I think you were giving reads and pushing people hard? which I've never seen you do before. didn't you case someone for a contradiction early? I think it was bujaber.

[Toranaga]

Sakura is town by the way

I feel very strong that it's extremely unlikely for everyone pushing anon to be town and I'm at least on the fence about the 3 main pushers.

if you guys don't appreciate any of my mechanical arguments, any of my leans, and want to follow RC's d1 reads, that's fine. I'm happy to end the gameday by being mislynched. but when I'm dead, please consider that I was pushed by 2/3 of the people pushing anon and that I had the strong feeling there was scum pushing anon and there is scum pushing me.

I think that's it really.

[Toranaga]

Moment might be scum.

This has been on the back of my mind too ever since i townread anony.

I can probably get behind moment being scum fwiw.

[Toranaga]

RC seems kinda townie

And a FOS on RC.

I didn't think it was possible to contradict ones self in one post, but here we are.

here

[Toranaga]

i also really really really don't want to be at odds with you sakura
I know that you're town, I know that tor is focusing his efforts on changing your read in particular, I probably get better results and seem less pockety if I actually dissect why his posts are scummy, but I don't have time for that so this is what you get

Scum cannot pocket me by scumreading me, 100%.

and what do you think of RC thinking I'm trying to pocket you?

[Toranaga]

oh he didn't even say I was trying to pocket you

I'm town guys, sorry I suck at explaining myself this game

[Toranaga]

what do

you

think of it?

you're slimy and I don't like your posts

[Toranaga]

I feel like we are in 2nd grade now

I scumread based off genuine sounding things

RC doesn't sound genuine :shrug:

neither does sakura for that matter.

[Toranaga]

I can probably get behind the moment lynch, but then we'd have to pick another neighborhood to activate at night.

anyone keeping track of claims yet?

[Toranaga]

you're welcome

[Toranaga]

whatever gets you there is fine by me

[Toranaga]

you mind explaining what the internal thought process was?

also, if we're not lynching the 4 player hood, and we're not lynching either rc or bujaber, I'm looking at the player list and I have no idea what a good lynch looks like. nico for "policy" is whatever it is, I think they do have decent scum equity because other slankers are townier, didn't like the focus on complaining about people voting her because they like her anime character.

[Toranaga]

Hello. Goodbye. Have a fine day.

Don't kill me. I have an important role. Seriously.

this might be enough for a free townread?

[Toranaga]

I really think I'm a good lynch lmao

[Toranaga]

sakura, anon

who do you think is the towniest player outside of the neighborhood?

[Toranaga]

I dont get the point of that question, but for me it's Kokichi.

trying to pinpoint who you'd vote for leader

[Toranaga]

that's very good strategy

[Toranaga]

moment is one of the hood members, right?

[Toranaga]

kind of a double edge sword

if there's scum in the hood and one of the possible elects is scum, they just kill the town player and elect themselves

[Toranaga]

I just skimmed but is this removing the possibility of town electing scum? cause that's what it looks like.

[Toranaga]

I just skimmed but is this removing the possibility of town electing scum? cause that's what it looks like.

Oh! Now I see what you meant!

No, it does not take into account the chances of the town hoodies voting for scum by accident.

yeah it really defeats the purpose then

you can't analyse the odds like that

[Toranaga]

Well do you have any better ideas than scum potentially shooting who we vote for, wasting our shot?

if you announce between you who is getting leadership, and that person dies, there's likely scum in your hood

a 1/4 POE isn't great but there are benefits to wasting your ability

coinflipping inside the hood is fine as well, I just disagreed with the math anon used cause it's wrong.

[Toranaga]

VOTE: toranaga

please lynch RC tomorrow just to piss him off

sorry I'm really not in the mood to play mafia

[Toranaga]

ftr toranaga isn't like a super super certain scumread

wondering if I should try to get reads from more people

don't backtrack now

you called for my head, you're gonna get it, and then hopefully town kills you for it tomorrow

[Toranaga]

"Oh now I'm not sure"

uh oh

why are you distancing from my lynch, mr cowbells?

[Toranaga]

I'm literally the only person who said anything worthwhile in this game, which makes me feel both sakura and RC should be wolves

[Toranaga]

anon making a plan that involved town never voting for scum as leader was such a precious thing

quite villagery too

[Toranaga]

I will die

and then you will die if town is smart

[Toranaga]

RC: "I'm not sure now"

Toranaga: "don't backtrack wtf"

RC: "ok I'm sure again!"

[Toranaga]

so you think I'm pushing your buttons cause I'm scum? LOL

you're just annoying me man. and you know why. you're the only one who knows why I'm pissed at you. but on top of that, you're scummy af in this game so I'll take it.

[Toranaga]

sakura, rc, bujaber, definitely definitely contain scum

[Toranaga]

i'm ngl i didn't read any of the mechanics so someone else should come in and answer that.

which shows how bad you're playing since half the thread is you going blablabla in it

[Toranaga]

Seems like there is a lot of mechanical stuff in the days that I missed that I don't want to catch up on. Is it still relevant?

golden rule for all the days: don't lynch inside the hood you're activating.

that's all. the rest is thin stuff.

[Toranaga]

unless ofc you have a confscum in that hood... then lynch away

[Toranaga]

bujaber is actually town

sakura and RC are wolves though

[Toranaga]

my lynch is good cause then you re-read d1 and see the things from my perspective

kill RC tomorrow. don't let him get away with how he played d1.

he pushed A LOT of town today.

[Toranaga]

then lose to him, IDC

I did my part

[Toranaga]

kokichi/popo probably town as well

I like the difference between town and scum reacting to my mislynch

town's behaviour is like... not caring. thinks I'm an idiot regardless of my flip. buj and popo are reacting sensibly to it. kokichi's unvote RN is caring a bit too hard about the gamestate to be a wolf probably, but that's a thinner read.

and then there's scum. RC just got scared of how my flip makes him look back, so he tried to distance from his own scumread on me. sakura is just plain scumsiding the whole game. doesn't even consider the possibility that RC is pocketing her very bad the entire game, wants to sheep his reads, made no attempt at trying to parse out his alignment. if sakura is town and RC is scum, I'm actually quite disappointed at how easily she let herself be swayed by what amounts to absolutely nothing.

my mechanical ideas are correct and should be sheeped. my reads, IDK. this is my perspective on things from being the town being pushed. the same people wanting me dead wanted anon dead, and the anon case was also patently empty and felt to me like both sakura and RC just wanted to powerwolf through it. "no personality" was RC's read. sakura said she "sees no reason to townread" her, none of that are any good reasonings to scumread anybody.

I'm considering since the beginning that sakura and RC are both wolves because they were trying to kill anon. it seems thin, but the 4 player hood, when there's scum in it, wants to take away the town to get control over leader voting. the next target RC had was another person inside the 4 player hood, moment. I'm seeing a very strong connection between them as well because neither RC nor sakura have done any real attempt at figuring out each other's alignments, other than a very brief interaction in which RC refers to a possible TMI slip from sakura and then quickly distances from that read and declares sakura town.

the same people pushing anon switched to push me and we're both town. that's meaningful. bujaber... IDK, I think he is doing lots of towny things but he is scumsiding. I like that he is just shrug voting me cause I asked, that's a very towny "fuck you" to toranagger. sakura and RC though... they both have nothing substantial to scumread me for. RC keeps saying he will do it, he will do it, but where's the case? kokichi had a case. a bad one, but it's there, I can see why he'd think I'm scum. RC? nothing. sakura? nothing. and sakura is really always scum, here. she'd never just scumread anon for focusing on mechanics early on, that's not her. I know sakura has depth and reasoning. RC is just LAMISTy superficial reads the entire game, and he is openly careless about game mechanics which is absolutely horrible if he is town. I'm betting my chips they're not.

there are many people who will get POE'd down and lynched by this town that are town and will make you lose the game if sakura and RC are both wolves. nico robin, popo, dunn, anon, buj, kokichi, maybe penguin and shinori are players I have different reasons to believe are probably town. my POE is RC, sakura, FA... I'm missing someone. but yeah that's where I'm at rn.

[Toranaga]

I should explain why it's scummy to not care about mechanics. this is RE: my RC scumread but may be fitting to other people and I just didn't see that.

the way this game is setup, town needs to coordinate or the hood powers become scumsided. here is why:

- we have 4 hoods distributed as 3, 3, 3, 4 players in each

- hood members know their own hood power but not any other hood powers

- scum members know the hood power of all hoods that contain a scum player

- hood powers are activated when a hood gets majority voted amongst all players.

now let's say we make 0 coordination. let's say we don't care what's in each hood cause we're so badass we just wanna lynch scum mafia so ez etc. that means mafia has information we don't have for no reason and can coordinate their votes in a way that they preferred hood wins. if we're not coordinating, most players will just vote for their own hoods, and then mafia piles on the hood that benefits them the most, controlling even more what happens in the night.

so when I have to read a player as smart and calculating as RC claims to be, showing zero care about the mechanical aspects of the game while also being the most active in the game, it reeks as scum agenda because he knows mechanical coordination benefits town. it does not read as town who is just too proud of his own reads to care about anything else, even though that's how he is trying to portray himself as.

[Toranaga]

sakura said she "sees no reason to townread" her

This is a lie, i said my initial SR came from anony focusing mechanics over scumhunting and also sheeping RC, it got stronger when anony decided to vote popo for leader after i had voted Kokichi, and my read flipped with her reaction to being dead.
VOTE: Toranaga

so bad reasoning galore and then sheeping a guy you can't read and have no idea what his alignment is. doesn't read as town to me sakura.

[Toranaga]

you were sheeping a player on a read that was evidenced to you as being unbased and probably incorrect, and you're not concerned with his alignment now? when are you going to start considering RC might be scum, sakura?

[Toranaga]

don't expect me to metadive d1. I'm not gonna read anyone's past games rn, sorry.

and yeah, well, I said my piece. sorry if you're town I guess. I was actually really looking forward to play with you.

your emotions feel real but I know you can be genuinely pissed at me without being town here. you can think the way you're playing is "how you always play" and that my scumread is baseless even if you are indeed scum so your emotions aren't telling much. I'm probably unwilling to reassess.

[Toranaga]

I'm probably unwilling to reassess.

And why are you?

cause I'm tunneled in this RC/sakura scum world and it's hard to forget about once you see it.

both pocketing each other and not evaluating each other all game.

RC wanted lynches inside your hood all game. first anon, then moment.

your anon scumread lacks depth. you were too sure of it for what amounts to very little. "too focused on mechanics" can certainly be a wolf trait, but the way anon did it felt pure and she was making other reads and being very participative overrall.

you're sheeping RC all game without making a single post in which you're worried about his alignment.

now IDC if you did one or all of these things as town, but the lack of nuance in your reads and the way you're approaching RC is scum to me. you could be anyone. the fact that it's you and I expect so much more from you, makes me feel stronger about it, but isn't why I'm scumreading you in the first place. you're objectively scummy this game. I die on my sword with this read.

[Toranaga]

toranaga even if u flip town no 1 is gonna go back and read your inane ramblings

yes that's a great post and I think popo is nearly always town for dropping by just to insult me.

my posts are awesome though.

[Toranaga]

Ok so, my hood's sorted already.
I literally cant believe you dont take a good look to magical girls mafia and what happened there, since you were in that game as well.
I literally cant believe you have this strong of a scumread on me.
If this is town sorry but I expected better

GRIMOIRE DEVOUR! Toranaga

au revoir my queen

still think you're awesome and just happened to rand scum this time

[Toranaga]

maybe kokichi/rc/sakura?

kokichi is behaving very different from all his town games.

oh well.

sorry I wasn't too patient with people in this game, there are RL reasons for that but I think I've done a fair amount of decent solving and regret nothing. if I'm wrong I'm wrong, reshuffle and onto next game.

[Toranaga]

Nah you're flipping scum.
But if you do flip town I become vanilla anyways so

that's what a scum one shot devourer would say

[Toranaga]

Nah you're flipping scum.
But if you do flip town I become vanilla anyways so

that's what a scum one shot devourer would say

Yeah man i would totally blow up that ability day 1 if it's one shot.

you don't have an infinite devouring ability in a game with 3 scum players though. that's the phoniest role ever.

anyway we don't have to be shouting at each other. I'm dead yes? I'm dead town :shrug: I actually forgot what my role was, I think I was pretty important actually lol

[Toranaga]

ah yeah I'm pretty untargetable at night

it'd only really make sense if I could clear myself though which, let's be honest, I can't in this lineup

[Toranaga]

yeahhhh

sakura/kokichi/RC seems like a thing

and then kokichi might become leader tomorrow

there's definitely a connection there

ok what a game huh

[Toranaga]

:/

ggs