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[BuJaber]

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Role PM

Welcome

MariaR

to BlazBlue Cross Tag Mafia You are

MariaR

from

The mod team

You will find your neighborhood here

Background:

You're the mod of the game who really loves strawberry shortcake and danganronpa. It's your job to mod the game and make sure it goes smoothly!

Abilities:

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Vote count

You control the power to make vote counts!
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Mod

You can't die in any way because you're the mod
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Lynches

If someone is lynched you will post there flip cause that's your job!

Win condition:

You win when all threats to the town are dead.

Isn't it a bit unfair that the mod is aligned against us?

Oops, meant to post this in the scum pt.

Wait a second. is this multiball?

Hi all

Original joke seems NAI for now but piggybacking on a previous joke is a bit of a scumtell for me. RC seems kinda townie since then but that just might be his apparent friendliness.

Shinori expects a gut read well it's a scumlean for me. I don't like how he's making excuses and detailing his self meta so early. Brought up playing on different sites and being used to a different meta multiple times. And I don't know how anyone could say "MS" and actually expect us to interpret that as mafia/scum faction instead of an abbreviation of this site.

Doubt moment is scum. Content-generating posting at least. Could be faked but I see little scum motivation to do so at this point in the game when you could leave the gamestate slow and contentless instead.

Don't have any opinions on others yet so I'll start here
VOTE: shinori

And a FOS on RC.

[BuJaber]

1. Why are you falsifying that I'm self-metaing?
2. Why does me stating I'm not used to this sites weird day phase timing make me scum?
3. Where is the scum intent in my posts? If I'm scum and no one is doing anything why do I go specifically out of my way and put my head on the line solely to prod and poke people into talking? If I'm scum why the fuck wouldn't I just literally sit here and watch as people do nothing?

You say doubt is generating content but I'm not generating content? That's interesting considering I'm one of the most posting people, even if you ignore my spam posts so far I probably have more 'content' posted than anyone outside of Moment in my eyes.

1. Talking about how you're emotional and post a lot and stuff is self-meta. You don't have to specify that it's scum meta or town meta for it to be your meta.

2. I don't like when people do that because it reads like someone concerned with not fitting in. It's like someone is saying "Oh you guys play differently, I don't know what to do with that, I will try to readjust"

3. That's your perspective. All I saw is you talking about your past experience, talking about your posting habits, saying you won't respond to certain posts, and talking about how long the deadline is. Sorry but that's not game-progressing content.

Sorry I missed the joke. It wasn't clear to me at all. If it weren't a joke it would be suspicious as hell because you used an abbreviation that definitely makes people think of 1 thing then you claim you meant another.

[BuJaber]

How is that a contradiction. His tone seems townie. Tone is fakeable and subjective. His joke was scummy. That's something much more tangible.

[BuJaber]

Oh so jokes are now town indicative.

[BuJaber]

This playerbase is too arrogant and will mislynch me because I'm different.

How about read a few of my games and see how many scum I've caught based on RVS alone.

The original joke was not indicative. Yours could be. Why didn't you come up with your own joke? Why use the same one? Why create multi-ball wifom? You don't think you were the one that sparked that trajectory?

[BuJaber]

@shinori you aren't looking at your posts objectively.
You say I skimmed your posts but I didn't.

Do you know how many reads you've given? 3. Dunn thing might be right but it's about your interpretation of his posts.
The other 2 are without any reasoning at all. And you gave others flak for doing the same. Why are you above suspicion when they are not?

[BuJaber]

PReview edit: Dunn not reading ITT. Read the game I stated more stuff about you later but I guess maybe scum players wouldn't read the thread if they feel like nothing is happening?

But you were complaining about kokichi's vote on you for something you were doing, or does the off topic discussion save your post somehow?

Doesn't really matter what you posted afterwards, does it? You're making the same type of post you're complaining that Kokichi is, but because it was a vote for you you made up a problem with it

In the post that I voted you I literally stated I would give reasonings later.

That is not something Kokichi said or did along with pretty much every other vote on me.

I then, later on, gave reasoning for my vote on you.

Right now you're just cherry picking and it looks awful. You're also comparing grapes and oranges it feels like because had kokichi potentially said "I'll expand on this vote later." or anything along those lines I wouldn't have delved into what I said in response to Kokichi.

I didn't count your read on me because that came after my post. I'm talking about your dunn SR and your TRs on sakura and moment. I thought that was obvious.


@RC - why anonymousghost?

[BuJaber]

Okay since I have no joke radar and apparently I can't base reads on jokes at all..

Is your suspicon on him a joke or serious?

[BuJaber]

We can't generalize. Jokes are mostly nai, but RC's reaction gives me the impression he think reads can never be based on jokes.

I don't get why I can't sometimes townread a joke and sometimes scumread a joke.

[BuJaber]

Are you suggesting if I scumread someone I should ignore everything they say?
What if I'm wrong and by engaging them I'll know it?
What if I'm right and by engaging them others will see it?

[BuJaber]

@shinori fair enough, I misread that
But the one you directed at me I didn't think warranted a response.

I know you don't actually believe my post meant that I have 100% read accuracy. No reasonable player would. So I don't know how you want me to respond.
Also you're not just going to claim scum.

[BuJaber]

uh

i do and if u dont ur bad

This is a response to which post?

[BuJaber]

It's a fos.. inherently meaning I suspect this slot but not enough to vote it. But yes the joke is the reason. RCs other posts are null, his tone was relaxed enough like a townie but now it's not. He overreacted to a fos and is actually scumreading me for everything I do. Only weird part is why would scum want to lynch me so hard. I have no cache with any players here and people clearly don't respect my opinions enough for me to be a day 1 threat.

[BuJaber]

Well I'm town here

But yeah I only have like 3 scum games on site and 2 off site I think

[BuJaber]

Because I'm town and he doesn't want to be on my wagon

[BuJaber]

This is good. They're now doing it to each other instead of to me

See shinori what I mean about RC?
See RC what I mean about shinori?

[BuJaber]

I know you're asking RC but honestly I don't think people bus like that but if they did best strategy ever. So I actually don't hate the association in principle because I think people should consider all possibilities. So that part makes RC smart even if he's totally wrong about me.

[BuJaber]

Do people read neighborhoods generally or do they become dead?

I had a mixed experience with them in the cul de sac setup

[BuJaber]

How many games have you two played each? You act like people are never wrong / never make mistakes.

RC if I flip before RC and you see I'm town will you still scumread him?

[BuJaber]

I mean you could always take a break

[BuJaber]

How many games have you two played each? You act like people are never wrong / never make mistakes.

RC if I flip before RC and you see I'm town will you still scumread him?

Idk. Do you want me to?

I did yes.

Such a weird claim though

[BuJaber]

I have no flavor info so someone answer this if they have:

Is there any character that would fit the them of cold, freezing, snow, snowmen etc?

[BuJaber]

Tora is spammy like he says gonna need hin to start posting entire pages by himself before I (hopefully) accurately read him.

I can see anony being scum if RC is town. I don't like all the multi-ball speculation so early in the game. It's not helpful and one of the people involved is likely scum for trying to continue it. But he did ask the mod directly which seems like a great way to fake having no info and since all scum are the same to town scum are more interested in confirming if it's multi.

Koki seems less jokey than his usual self.

@Dunn - okay thanks. Well my thinking was that he got that character but faked the role if scum. I don't think he would fake the role without getting the actual character. Like if he isn't that character no way that's a fake role becuase it's so detailed and random. Does that make sense?

UNVOTE:

VOTE: tora I feel like he's buddying people

[BuJaber]

Good start as any

[BuJaber]

What made you drop sakura down to null?

[BuJaber]

I am buddying sakura, yes

expect a whole lot of me buddying sakura

also I wanna see you keep a scumread on me all game so I know you caught me on that 9er for bs reasons and can't actually read me in any capacity

other than that, hi bujaber.

You probably don't agree but I'm counting 2/2 accuracy on reading you you have to admit you were PR fishing.

Though in all fairness lavos flipping before you helped in cul de sac. I don't know I had him as a higher scumread than you but like if he flipped scum it would clear you so let's say I got that one half right.


Anyway I need to engage you and a vote is one way to do it.

[BuJaber]

nah, you know what?

RadiantCowbells Aug 28, 04:53pm Aug 30, 04:35am 0 days 0 hours 137
Shinori Aug 28, 02:16pm Aug 30, 02:45am 0 days 1 hour 56

this is too ridiculous. I want to literally filter out your crap. why are you posting so much? fucking condense or something. go open the other games. idk. jesus christ this is unreadable because you kept typing, RC. what is wrong, man?

What does this mean? I don't know what you're trying to show us.

[BuJaber]

Maybe you weren't buddying sakura. Maybe sakura was buddying you. Maybe sakura is sheeping RC for the same reason.

[BuJaber]

If I've understood the setup correctly, we vote for factions secrelty.

Meaning townies only know 1 power. And are likely to vote for their own faction instead of voting for an unknown power.

So if there is a scum split among the neighborhoods, scum will coordinate and vote for the best power for them. While townies will likely end up with roughly even splits among the factions.

We probably should know all the powers before end of day so that we can make an informed vote.

[BuJaber]

Thanks for explaining my point better than I did.

[BuJaber]

I was hoping someone from the 4 person group would say this themselves.

[BuJaber]

So without saying what it is our power is most beneficial if it is used on the 4 person group and if all 4 members of the group are alive.

So while statistically your group has the highest chance of containing scum, it would serve town more to lynch there after our group's power is used and I believe my neighbors would agree.

[BuJaber]

Though the earliest we'd be able to benefit is day 3 which might be too long to wait.

[BuJaber]

And what would happen if you target scum with it?

[BuJaber]

I'm not going to oppose the lynch just for the power, I just wanted you to know its optimal use before making the decision. Your group's power might be stronger anyway and we don't know the other two yet.

[BuJaber]

I'm sitting here with 0 scumreads and reading isn't helping me get anywhere

Can you elaborate on why popo is 'fine' instead of null?

Also townreading moment seems too fast. He/she had townie looking posts but it was very early in the game and he/she hasn't commenting on the later stuff yet.

One small thing that pinged me about AG was how quickly she confirmed the blazblu world neighbors. Just feels like an easy way to look helpful. Nobody questioned sakura on it or contradicted her so why the eagerness to claim it? But nothing else seems particularly scum-indicative but I don't know her meta so meh

[BuJaber]

VOTE: koki tora seems aight for now.

Koki from my experience has always had a lot of reasons and conviction when scumreading me. He doesn't sound very confident and his lack of substantial reasoning while voting this game looks bad.

[BuJaber]

I'm justifying to myself why I'm not attacking people for suspecting you. As it stands I don't have enough reason to defend you nor do I have enough reason to vote for you.

[BuJaber]

@koki I guess I remember you being more spammy, and thus having more content in fewer pages. Your vote on me felt sheepy whereas I've seen you being the 'shepherder' of votes in the past. It's a very early read and my track record with you is abysmal. I'm trying to get better at reading you. Direct dialogue should help.

Sakura do you actually scumread anyone?

@Tora - if you say so. Just seems weird to me because popo has a town game which is not difficult to replicate.
People who say very little as town >> have to fake very little as scum.

[BuJaber]

@Tora - Are you going to tell us what your neighborhood can do?

How did you know he isn't in my neighborhood?

@koki I guess I remember you being more spammy, and thus having more content in fewer pages. Your vote on me felt sheepy whereas I've seen you being the 'shepherder' of votes in the past. It's a very early read and my track record with you is abysmal. I'm trying to get better at reading you. Direct dialogue should help.

if you have a bad track record in reading me, why try to vote me so early and not say that?

How else will I improve? Nullreading you in every game is not the way to go.

[BuJaber]

Also @sakura thanks. I wasn't sure if you voted for anony just for being in your group or there was more.

[BuJaber]

@tora - wanted to make sure it wasn't literally 'town' leader.
The power would be stronger that way but also IC's the chosen.

Though we can still use it as a sort of WIFOMY weak investigative. If the town leader doesn't get NK'd after 1, 2 .. maybe 3 nights if we really want to push it.. that'd probably mean they're scum. Especially if powers are secret. If they're public and weak maybe scum wouldn't care and would keep them alive.

Pedit - he soft claimed the power after you asked.

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Frankly I thought that was a joke. I needed the VC to know he's actually a double-voter.

But that doesn't answer my concern. I'm beginning to think you're playing dumb to shrug it off.
Tora suggested we claim faction powers. He didn't himself though until after you asked him in 609. You wouldn't ask unless you think he has a different one than mine. Because you know the members of your faction and popo declared the members of his faction, you know he's either in mine or the 4th faction. But you wouldn't need to ask if he is in mine unless you think I'd lie about it.

I don't normally believe in scumtells but damn it this sure looks like one.
VOTE: anonymous G

[BuJaber]

I don't normally believe in

scumtells

but damn it this sure looks like one.

Scumslips*

[BuJaber]

Lol what are you talking about you have 4 votes on you. It's L-3

[BuJaber]

That's not a lynch that's an action. Her choice. And honestly I thought it was hood talk leaking into the thread. You wanna blame it go ahead. But sakura is the one with the claimed gun pointing to your head. She has the ability to pull the trigger.

Also let's see you flip first before playing the victim.

Pedit - nope I voted you because you knew tora is not in my head. That makes you scum plus at least 1 more scum in a pool of 5 divided between the two neighborhoods.

2 birds with 1 lynch.

[BuJaber]

Let's play along with your little pantomime.

I supposedly did the most anti-town thing there is. If sakura shoots you how bad does she look then huh? She should shoot me if you flip town.

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I only looked at VC to know if it's hammer or not. I didn't remember sakura's claim.
If you think that's bad and you lynch me for it no hard feelings.

Though to be honest with you even if I did remember it I'm not sure I should treat it as gospel. I don't think it would have stopped me.

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I think you scumslipped. I can't unthink that until you literally flip town.

But no I am not trying to push your buttons. You are spinning a narrative about what drove me to vote when I did and I want to correct it for everyone else reading.

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How else will I improve? Nullreading you in every game is not the way to go.

Now that I have posted more, what do you think

I'm even less sure that you're scum than before.
Also you're in popo's hood right? That matters if I'm right about Anony.

I think you scumslipped. I can't unthink that until you literally flip town.

But no I am not trying to push your buttons. You are spinning a narrative about what drove me to vote when I did and I want to correct it for everyone else reading.

How did she scumslip?

She knew Tora is in a different neighborhood than mine before he claimed his faction's power.
That means she either has a scum partner in my hood or she has a partner in Tora's hood, or both.

[BuJaber]

Oh, I see what you mean. But, doesn't this mean that Tora could be scum? So how do you still townread him?

He could be. All I said is he's fine for now. He was engaging people and if he continues to do so he'll be easier to read. I flip flop a lot on Tora.
But I'm not sure I quite understand your case on him. Why is his vote on you scum-motivated rather than him just being wrong?

And if he's scum why did he not want us lynching in the 4 player neighborhood? Do you think we can draw any conclusions there?

[BuJaber]

Oh
Yeah that's kinda the opposite of my earlier case on you. Nobody could claim you were doing much at that stage. It's not exactly black and white because I've seen you joke a lot in RVS as town which sort of fits his view of your meta but he's still wrong about what you did here.

I still prefer to lynch anon. I am more confident that she flips scum.
I find it interesting she keeps trying to change the order of events when Tora's claim clearly came after her questioning him.

Do you have experience with anon? You think she'd have that line of questioning with Tora if they're buddies? At first glance it doesn't seem like something buddies would need to talk about but then again it's easier to talk to a scum buddy about setup spec than it is to talk about reads.

[BuJaber]

And how does that help town exactly?

[BuJaber]

You're claiming you're town and RC has 'bad reads', which in itself implies RC is town. And then you tell us to lynch two townies in a row.

[BuJaber]

I look forward to it.

[BuJaber]

No man you should explain. Otherwise people downplay your achievements in their head and think you just got lucky.

Also it'd be more fun for me when you find out I'm town.

[BuJaber]

I think I've played with RC before but honestly don't really know him.

But to be fair if he's as arrogant as you seem to think he wouldn't have changed his read on shinori and I.

So you need to lump us all together as a scumteam for your case on him to make sense.

[BuJaber]

Ehhhhh
I don't think it's as bad as you think even if they did control the vote.
The only bad scenario would be if anon is town and we lynched her and ALL the remaining 3 are scum.

If only 1 scum they won't control the vote.

That leaves 2 scum left 1 town. They all vote. Let's assume for worst case scenario vote is secret. Do you think the mod will not tell them who became town leader? Like if the result of their action is known to them, then the 1 townie will know for a fact they didn't vote for the agreed target and he/she can call them out for it and even if they died they take down 2 scum with them.

Let's say kill him n1 so he can't call them out on it. Also looks suspicious as hell.

Let's say they don't know if their action is successful or not or who actually gets targeted. If for some reason mod doesn't tell them who became the leader... well we can just ask who they voted for and worse case scenario is they have a scum TPR who we know is a TPR and we will watch very carefully for any signs of scumminess.

[BuJaber]

There's WIFOM in every kill man.

Heck you're even assuming that scum would even want the town leader's powers. They might just not care for WIFOM.

Like scum either has majority in the hood or they have minority in the head and so they kill in it. You literally can't have it both ways because math.


So if we assume scum are outside and they kill in it to make us want to lynch them then that means that town had majority vote for town leader and so you can rest easy.

And if scum is majority in the hood they won't kill inside it because that pretty much guarantees we lynch scum when we lynch inside their hood.

Is this a better explanation?


Pedit - yes that's what I'm thinking as well. Leader will be known eventually without much effort.

[BuJaber]

Yes that does make sense.

I suppose it's just a judgement call you're going to have to make.

Because the other argument is the longer you wait to make someone town leader, the less use we get out of that power.

So it's about balancing. And seeing as there's arguments for both sides, when we actually have an SR in that group there's not enough reason to not lynch them.

Like objectively we're disagreeing with the strategy aspect of it yes? Let's say the pros and cons of lynching are about even. Heck let's say the cons are slightly higher which is your opinion. I still have the subjective argument to vote for anon on top of this.

Pedit - who's FA?

[BuJaber]

Well we have a minimum of 4 lurkers / quiet people .. eventually the people actually talking run out of ideas/steam/motivation and you end up with a gamestate like this.

But it's day 1. Have some optimism.

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Tora come on man. It's almost like you want to be lynched.

I engage you and show you why you are wrong. Even if you still think you're right I've shown you a valid argument why someone would lynch in the hood. You scumreading everyone who disagrees with you is totally unreasonable if town.

[BuJaber]

Okay I'm selling self-votes for free.

If you want to be lynched just ask me to in thread and I will gladly do it.

1 request per day. If someone asks first in a particular day phase they get my vote.

VOTE: Toranaga

Yes this is me not having any better options. I wish people would listen to me about Anon but looks like her AtE game is too advanced.

[BuJaber]

Okay how about sakura unvotes and then hammers when you finish your hood business.

Game has stagnated.. people are just waiting for your neighborhood.

[BuJaber]

I'm voting him because he asked.

[BuJaber]

I sheep the man with the most knowledge about the votee's alignment. That's Tora.

[BuJaber]

I didn't know how AG could know that Tora wasn't in my hood and I just got tunnelled there.

Guess I should have trusted my first instinct with koki.

Why was I the NK? Was I really that obvtown?