James Brafin's mini normal review, August 2018


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Post Post #5 (isolation #0) » Tue Aug 28, 2018 3:48 am

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At a first glance, this looks scumsided.

Town has a weak babysitter which is strong because it can act as an investigative. It's weaker than a full cop though.
Vengeful townie should always be lynched on claim. It's probably between a weak and mid-level PR.
Novice Vigilante should be a fairly strong role, but it's also a fairly swingy role.
Tracker is generally a mid-level investigative for town.
As far as compulsive visitor goes, I don't see the point of it other than weakening the tracker which is ???.

The problem lies in that you give scum a full Ninja AND a FULL roleblocker. Furthermore, it has a high swing element since the two roles are a single role.

Loud 2-Shot Doctor seems fine. Just note that performing the factional kill still activates the loud modifier.

I want to think this over more/hear from SS, but my first thought here is to make the ninja roleblocker 3-Shot Roleblocker.
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Post Post #6 (isolation #1) » Tue Aug 28, 2018 3:51 am

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As far as 6-day day phases goes, I guess that's ultimately for implosion (as listmod) to decide BUT:
The Wiki wrote:Mechanical changes which must be announced beforehand include:
Open or Semi-Open setups
Day phase deadlines shorter than 1 week or longer than 3 weeks
According to the above, it's technically allowed. I wouldn't say 1 day nights are a good idea unless you let people submit early though.
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Post Post #10 (isolation #2) » Tue Aug 28, 2018 11:54 am

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(Feel free @James and/or @The worst to give your thoughts on why you have the setup as it is. Understanding your view on the matter can help by allowing the reviewers insight on things they otherwise wouldn't've considered.)
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Post Post #19 (isolation #3) » Tue Aug 28, 2018 2:59 pm

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In post 12, the worst wrote:7 day/48 hr is good imo.

Ninja RB is not multitasking. I'll hunt for the PMs.....
Ninja is passive.
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Post Post #20 (isolation #4) » Tue Aug 28, 2018 3:04 pm

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Honestly, I'm still uncomfortable w/ ninja, but if we go that route, normalcy requires you to specify it as "Roleblocker Activated Ninja".

My minimal change is to change the ninja roleblocker to 3-shot roleblocker. I'd pass the setup with that change.
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Post Post #23 (isolation #5) » Tue Aug 28, 2018 5:02 pm

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Actually, I don't think activated works either because then they can't perform the factional kill at the same time. While Ninja OR Roleblocker would definitely be an interesting role, I don't think there is a normal mechanism atm to make that work. Ninja is by default passive (i.e.: it always works), but making it activated interferes with the night kill making it pointless.
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Post Post #26 (isolation #6) » Wed Aug 29, 2018 1:36 am

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In post 24, the worst wrote:is there much of a problem with the roleblocker shots being ninja'd?
Yes--It makes the tracker useless, and the town needs the tracker.

Another alternative might be 1-Shot Roleblocker + Mafia 2-Shot Loud Doctor + Mafia JOAT (Roleblocker, Ninja). I think I would passive that as well.
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Post Post #27 (isolation #7) » Wed Aug 29, 2018 1:39 am

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Well, I could pass 2-shot ninja roleblocker actually as well. There's still a choice because they can't roleblock and kill at the same time. (Sorry, I've been trying to think this through and just thought about this interaction.)
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Post Post #32 (isolation #8) » Wed Aug 29, 2018 6:13 pm

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2-Shot should go at the beginning of ninja 2-shot roleblocker for clarity.

I don't think ungated watcher is a good idea. Maybe 2/3 shot or Non Consecutive Watcher would be good. Don't forget that vig and weak roles are both strong roles.
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Post Post #38 (isolation #9) » Thu Aug 30, 2018 2:10 pm

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I was presuming the ninja was gated, kinda like JOAT but a little bit more flexible.
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Post Post #39 (isolation #10) » Thu Aug 30, 2018 2:13 pm

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It really doesn't matter for loud and the doc, but please pick one and stick with it.
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Post Post #41 (isolation #11) » Thu Aug 30, 2018 4:53 pm

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In post 33, the worst wrote:good point there.

though the weak can't produce a true guilty--only innos or presumed guilties(still strong tho!)

the dynamic of watcher + motion detector is pretty interesting, I actually like this a lot better than one full medium-to-strong TPR.


Town
Weak Babysitter
Vengeful Townie
Novice Vigilante
Non-Consecutive Night Watcher
Motion Detector
5 Vanilla

Scum
2-shot Ninja Roleblocker
2-shot Loud Doctor
Goon
+ full predisclosed daytalk
This is what I'm presuming we're passing, with the 2-shot applying to both the ninja and roleblocker; they can use the ninja twice, ninja + rb once on separate nights, or rb twice.
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Post Post #45 (isolation #12) » Fri Aug 31, 2018 1:27 am

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Watcher can be ungated if we do a full ninja.
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Post Post #54 (isolation #13) » Fri Aug 31, 2018 10:56 am

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In post 48, James Brafin wrote:Hold up
I’m thinking under this assumption:
1) Weak Babysitter targets scum
2) Babysitter dies
3) Because Babysitter dies, their target dies, which is the scum.
Is this not right?
To clarify:

1) If a weak role (town) targets a scum role, they die.
2) If a babysitter is killed (i.e.: they are shot by scum or the vig here), both they and their target dies.
3) A babysitter dying simply from targeting scum does not have their target die. (The wiki page specifically says it only is the case if they are *killed*, not if they die.)

That's the interpretation I'm using.
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Post Post #59 (isolation #14) » Fri Aug 31, 2018 4:03 pm

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Please post the entire setup again, but I think we're good here.
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Post Post #61 (isolation #15) » Sat Sep 01, 2018 4:43 am

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/approve.
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Post Post #69 (isolation #16) » Sat Sep 01, 2018 3:57 pm

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In post 62, Something_Smart wrote:You need to see role PM's first, don't you?

I want to see them, especially for the RB.
Tbh, I don't even know what the policy for that is anymore. Sometimes we do, but other times, it seems we do not have to see them.
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Post Post #70 (isolation #17) » Sat Sep 01, 2018 4:00 pm

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In post 68, the worst wrote:i'm keen to swap it around to

ninja 2-shot rb
loud 2-shot doc

i think that reads a little cleaner
(I guess this is okay.)

I don't see any issues (besides that one formatting issue).
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