Mini 2032: TAZ Mafia: Murder on the Rockport Limited [over]

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What's happenin', my dudes?

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VOTE: RadiantCowbells

im rushing in

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he has two posts so far:
-ignoring RVS
-voting RC

He's here, but hasn't done anything towny. Seems like more than half the playerlist is eager to spew their town alignment, and he is not, and so I'm voting him. Also another thing that may or may not be a thing later

what if i told you there was a good reason i did both of these things

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this is xyzzy, your moderator, your best friend, and your #1

Trolls 2

fan! for some reason I have to go watch

Trolls 2

in a couple years!

votecount 1.03

5 players voting for RadiantCowbells (Gammagooey, SirCakez, xRECKONERx, xRECKONERx, Porkens)
2 players voting for xRECKONERx (northsidegal, Irrelephant11)
1 player voting for Gammagooey for lynch (Shoshin, Creature)
1 player voting for Kokichi Oma (Nosferatu)
1 player voting for skitter30 (RadiantCowbells)

3 players not voting for lynch (Varsoon, skitter30, Kokichi Oma)

with 14 votes, it takes 8 to lynch.

1 player voting for Shoshin for Fantasy Gachapon (Irrelephant11)

12 players not voting for Fantasy Gachapon (xRECKONERx, Gammagooey, Varsoon, skitter30, northsidegal, Kokichi Oma, RadiantCowbells, Porkens, Nosferatu, Creature, SirCakez, Shoshin)

the current day will end in (expired on 2018-09-24 17:00:00).

mod notes: I interpreted 67 as a vote for RadiantCowbells, but to avoid ambiguity, please try to avoid nicknames that are distant from someone's actual username.

oh nvm the reason has arrived ok

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@mod: I'm about to get brutally fucked by hurricane florence and could be without power for up to 3 weeks. I will keep you updated on replacement status after the worst of it is over

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i read up to page 7 then realized nothing was happening so i skipped the last 4 pages

yea im a doublevoter but only for the first person i vote each day

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that reck townread feels really terrible and like an attempt to pocket someone that based on your past experiences with Reckoner in his prime would be a threat.

what the fuckin shit is this

are you referencing varsoon

he has no experience with me. like at all??

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wew lad real glad i dv'd RC off the bat we got us a scum BOIIIIZ

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in other news, the GFS model is calling for 40 inches of rain where i live, so... consider this officially VLA just in case

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This is very simple. Varsoon is scum because town don't scumread players for doing the same thing they themselves are doing. Town don't scumread players for reacting to something the same way they reacted to it. They just don't.

[citation needed]
ive been town before and scumread someone for doing some shit that i was doing accidentally

behavior is complex, yo

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VOTE: varsoon

i don't like the kokichi read and i think that kokichi's side of their argument made a lot more sense and i think that varsoon was kinda reaching to find something to scumread him for

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

this is a potential scumbag

makes sense as RCbuddy. note to self

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kokichi is the big one I'm assuming I need to actually explain

I think there's a reasonably strong chance that him/varsoon is svs

imagine a world where you just explained the read here instead of posturing and going "i should explain this read"

imagine

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ok that was fun.

im p confident one of koki/rc will flip scum so my vote is fine staying where it is

im drunk so my anxiety will calm down over this storm HA HA HA HA HA and the rain is arriving tomorrow morning so it'll be touch & go from here

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What's your read on RC currently?
Also @Reck how good are you at reading RC in general?

oh im not good at this game or reading people at all, i just get lucky a lot
i parked both votes on RC because of what happened in team mafia, plain & simple

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gacha vote: me

RC if you think I was locktown on you in team mafia then you need a brain check, sweaty

you weren't on my scumlist, but you weren't locktown. i was too busy tunneling your buddy and trying to get you and chesskid to stop making the game miserable
and then after mastina flipped scum i suicided into your scum ass anyway and you got lynched

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oh
sure

ummmm but why did you use up your double vote power so early?

because im not going to sit around all of d1 and not vote?
plus im p sure RC is damn near policy for me unless he's had a personality change between the last game and this one

i also don't think there's a pro town way to use a doublevote on D1 so ill use it for policy and if i change my mind then im a regular voter again

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thx i worked real hard on it

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Reck, you think Varsoon is town?

yea sure

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replace me

Don't join games with me reckoner.

hun i pre-inned for this before the mod even announced the game lmao

cant handle being policy voted early d1??? really

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because his comments on me seem like sticking his neck out for a read on me when it has a really high risk to bite him in the ass. id expect varsoon to ignore the conversation about me rather than actively roll up his sleeves and engage w/ it.

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because his comments on me seem like sticking his neck out for a read on me when it has a really high risk to bite him in the ass. id expect varsoon to ignore the conversation about me rather than actively roll up his sleeves and engage w/ it.

Do you think you were obvious town at that point in the game? Why don't you have any worry that Varsoon's just pocketing you?

i am sure it's possible he's doing that, i'm notoriously bad at people getting into my blind spot, they just usually do it more subtly

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I'm super wary of the RC flip on reads: On one hand, it strikes me as someone who did have to take a step back, breathe, assess the content, and come to a more informed position. On the other, though, that's NAI because it'd have to happen for scum-RC to ensure some deal of survivability just as much as it'd need to come from town RC for the same reasons. I DO like the content there more than before, but I'm still sussing through it.

Varsoon, why would you be surprised at how "stubborn" I am when I literally said I was going to "death tunnel" anyone who pushed Creature's lynch? Like, stubbornness shouldn't be surprising at all after that.

...so why aren't you death-tunneling Nosferatu?

I feel this post on a spiritual level tbh

What else...
Porkens should probs die tbh
I think RC is trying to deflect attention by discrediting me and is being overly defensive on basically what amounts to 1 quick sentence about a policy RVS vote

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Shoshin do you have any interest in voting Irrelephant

Failing that, I think Reckoner is a strong option since he's never going to help town if he's actually town.

>says this, despite only experience w/ me being me nailing his scumbuddy to the wall D1 and then revealing him as scum N1 with hider play

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Is there a reason not Reck?

I think getting rid of him makes this game a lot easier regardless of alignment

You haven't seen what I have from him, town him with a double vote is a bigger threat to town wincon than I would be if I were scum, and he's openly not attempting to solve the game at all.

get bent

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literally RC's entire opinion of me is fake

bag it pls

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compare him in this game to team mafia or the aforementioned large theme and they are night and day, and don't blame the hurricane because he's engaged with stuff, he's just chosen to engage in the worst possible way.

hey buddy

go fuck yourself

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@mod: please replace me

Despite the fact that I signed up for this months ago before the game was even announced
Despite the fact that TAZ is my favorite podcast and I was excited to play in it

I am not going to play in a game with a toxic, cancerous, egomaniac who thinks making light of a very real natural disaster and the panic I've felt for the past 3 days watching my fucking friend's house get consumed by water or being up till 3AM to make sure my mother in law isn't dead is somehow game-related

RC, I mean this sincerely, I think you're repulsive.

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You're so fucking dense that you think this is about anything game related.
Yes, I'm clearly soooo mad because you called me scum
Fuck off.
You think I'm upset because you voted me and not because you have no fucking ability to separate the game from real fucking life

That's why you're awful, and I have no intention of being in a game with you ever again

For the record, I'm town. Not that it matters, because you'll plug your ears and find a reason to proclaim yourself as god's gift to the world after being wrong again.

TO MY REPLACEMENT: RC is scum. Don't back down.

Peace out. RC, thanks for being such a miserable person to be around that you've managed to ruin two games in a row for me.

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I'm back? Cool.

Let me try to figure out what I think of each slot from memory, with the caveat that I've been hurricane drunk for the entirety of this game so bear with me:

Gamma: Hasn't interacted w/ me much, in fact has only mentioned me a couple of times in passing while interacting w/ other people, trying to avoid me?
Varsoon: successfully navigated to my D1 blind spot so not gonna worry about him right now
skitter: pinging me as scum tbh. all posting just feels super noncommittal and fencesitty.
northsidegal: Honestly IDK how to read her. I think there was a game where I just read her incorrectly for like 70% of the game until the last second.
Kokichi: lots of attacks on people with cool adjectives instead of cool logic and reasoning. dislike. maybe scum.
Irrelephant: null. i feel nothing from their posts.
RC: scum who is trying to emulate what RC thinks he's like as town when in actuality he's just ringing as hollow and empty and overkill. very similar to team mafia play.
Porkens: idfk man. a whole pile of nothingness so far. need content.
Nosferatu: ill be honest i dont recall any posts that nosferatu has made so far
Creature: uhhh i remember early few pages of creature posting looked good? then i kinda havent paid attention since then
SirCakez: see nosferatu
Shoshin: Generally Competent Posting (tm)

Okay well now hopefully I can contribute more than this garbage readslist but I really really don't have time to go back and reread so if there's something people want me to address specifically I'd be happy to otherwise yippee ki yay let's play some mafia

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@reck - Tbf with your statement on me I kind of have been avoiding the game in general, not you in particular. Understanding what happened with the varsoon post explosion took like an hour+ of just reading over it a few times so I posted about it afterwards and then didn't really want to deal with the game that much for a bit after that, and then was either prepping for or on vacation out of town from friday night until 9pm yesterday. Looking back a bit I would like to hear about why you were confident that one of koki/RC would flip scum at the time - RC I get from you but I don't see why koki was on the same level of scumread at the time.

The pushing to receive the gacha vote was so hamfisted and I think it's scum trying to elicit "wow she must be town to push this hard" responses but something about her responses rang really hollow

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hi i am still at work and got 3 hours of sleep last night then will be at work for 13 hours again tomorrow so more content/thoughts coming !~soon~!

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wow good job

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I still don't understand the case on Varsoon

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yeah i havent moved my vote bc i dont wanna lose the doublevote just in case it winds up being the RCslot today and honestly nothing else is making me feel real good or passionate and nobody has presented anything resembling a good argument or case as to why i should move my vote

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If anything, irritating town RC to the point of self-destruction is pro-scum.

i agree with this and it's why i voted reck

how are you reading reck right now? maybe it's kind of a tinfoil theory but i feel like there's a decent chance that from the start his whole plan as scum might have been to try to set rc off (given his experience in team mafia)

policy double voting someone from the start of the game just because of their personality seems very odd to me, and it came at a time when there was already something of an rvs wagon there (hence my initial vote)

I think you're town, nsg, but I don't get why you're townreading gamma g, if you are

maybe not a townread

there are people i'd rather lynch and even if he is scum getting bussed for my peace of mind i would rather lynch the scum bussing him first for the scenario in which he isn't scum

i still think reck is scum

these are the only posts ive found that even remotely display why nsg thinks im scum

and it boils down to "reck would use out of game things to force a meltdown to make the game miserable for everyone" which i would not do and am not the type of person who would want to force a miserable experience on myself. the current meta is miserable enough, there's a zero percent chance i would set RC off like that. nor did i think that an RVS policy vote would force RC to have a fucking meltdown and start hurling personal shit around everywhere directed at me

like even in this fantasyland theory, i would have to know that RC would blow up

on me

if i pressed his buttons...so nsg's theory is...what...i got RC to blow up on me by policy voting him so that he would throw a bunch of screaming and anger my way and potentially get me lynched? or what?

i legit was replacing out of the game until the game mod PMed me to ask if id stay if RC was replaced instead. i have never and will never take scum tactics that far

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the lack of opinions or attempts at solving

i feel like nothing is happening, not gonna force fake opinions

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id prolly move my vote for a wagon on irrelephant tbh

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I can't believe I have one of the most posts in this game and I've basically been prod dodging for the past few days

wow imagine having a life where posting constantly isn't an option

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varsoon why are you voting me for gacha

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varsoon why are you voting me for gacha

You're a townread and, due to being a double voter, less likely to have another power that the Gacha ability would conflict with.

mmm this tracks

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Hmmm

I believe the claim? I think.

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Gamma what the fuck

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Literally what the fuck why

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OOOOOH he claimed beheader
If he's Jess the Beheader that's probably a scumclaim tbh

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Gamma gimme like one good reason not to park both my votes on you the rest of the day you turd

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but WHY did he scumclaim

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fuck it VOTE: gammagooey

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what do u mean

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porkens/gamma could be ezbus

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Yeh, scum are trying to gain gold themselves.

i feel like reck's vote could be a bus too

it's not tho

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Ok fun

I still don't fully understand why Gammawent full meltdown mode

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Yeah I'm town so bad choice

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Sorry for being gone, had company (actually, the dearly departed Gammagooey) at my house all weekend!

Looking back at the shit with RC D1 I feel like Gammagooey's interactions w/ RC could easily be Gamma trying to distance from RC's meltdown while also getting in my good graces by white knighting me to an extent

I've played a shitload of games with Gamma and I think he'd know that's the best way to get me sedated and off his trail?

Couple that with Varsoon's list which potentially was breadcrumbing RB targets and I think I wanna VOTE: Gamma Emerald today

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Why are people voting Gamma if he wasn't rb'd?

oh fair point

unvote

still think RC/Gamma's early interactions are weird but the nail in the coffin for me was the rb

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man my fave thing is where someone goes "oh two totally other people did it in this game one time therefore it's totally happening here"

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i'm kinda not thinking that mod put in a hated scum in this but literally the only way to test it is to vote koki and then if we're wrong koki dies as probtown and if we're right then we lynch it anyway

i'm v tempted and wow i never realized how good hated would be as a scum fakeclaim

it has me all twisted up

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idk i think id still lynch Gamma bc i got it in my head to read all of RC/Gammagooey's interactions D1 as if it was scum theater and it just made so much sense

i know that's a shit reason but nothing has lit a fire under my ass this game

i think scum are scared to push a mislynch on me

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@koki are you just hated townie? full claim?

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So you're... just a hated vanilla?

To me, that seems like we kinda have to test it at some point You in LyLo is really bad if you're town

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right i mean i guess my point is there are two options:

- koki is telling the truth, in which case, scum won't ever shoot koki and koki in lylo = scum win
- koki is lying, in which case, scum

i don't see an avenue to success that isn't Lynch Koki

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god GE is so scum it hurts

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lmao yeah me pushing koki

i could've hammered koki like five times already and just been like "lol had to do it"

i didnt know hated was removed in lylo

but this seals it

VOTE: GE

p.edit: i didnt know lylo removing hated was a thing
also hated scum with me being a doublevoter seems real townsided

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ive literally run hateds in my games before and i dont think i ever put that on it bc it wasn't site meta when i started playing

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i mean not to brag but i have gotten away with so many lolhammers that im not scared of it as scum
Red Wedding Mafia was a game entirely built around me lolhammering and getting away with it and winning as last scum
so like, yeah, idk

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i am sure i have been in games where hated modifiers went away in lylo but the bulk of my games here weren't during that era

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yeah do that but also

@mod do you generally tend to have hated modifiers fall off in lylo

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the fact it wasn't stated in your role PM makes me think it doesn't fall off, koki

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koki can you flavorclaim please

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okay i believe koki's claim

all aboard the gamma wagon

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actually wait i misremembered my shit

people suspected jenkins the entire time in the story, until they find him with his head lobbed off

but it turns out jenkins faked his own death using magic and was the bad guy all along

gamma being jess the beheader makes me doubt the story connections further but honestly if i were the mod of this game, jenkins would make perfect sense as a hated townie -- everyone thinks you did it because you're really annoying and a piece of shit.

i dunno. that's all i got.
i think "hated" makes sense for jenkins and i dont think the mod would put hated scum with doublevote town in the game

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lylo gets way broken if im a first vote DV with a hated role

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and my role pm doesnt mention lylo things

which makes me think my role exists to counterbalance koki's hated role

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if the mod gave me a role PM that doesn't mention my role doesn't work in lylo then im more than willing to lose this game and chalk it up to mod incompetence rather than believe xyzzy is a bad mod and didn't include these things from the start

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how am i scumreading kokichi

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how am i scumreading kokichi

1448

that's not even remotely a scumread on kokichi

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Also im not sure why 1448 indicates a scumread on kokichi. However im a little ??? about that post because reck doesnt really seem to be taking into account the possibility of scum!hated kokichi who is telling the truth about his role. Like his options are: town who needs to be resolved before lylo and scun kying about being hated; here he also seems kinda lumping role and alignment together

because i am working from the assumption that my town doublevote role doesn't exist with a scum hated

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gacha vote me

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id rather give gacha to me to force scum to kill an edge case player

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VOTE: gamma emerald

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id rather give gacha to me to force scum to kill an edge case player

That's the problem. I don't remember you being an edge case as town.

scum aren't going to kill me as long as people are going "ah geez idk about reck not sure" so im about the best person to give it to

if we give it to nsg, everyone is already reading her as town, so scum have a very easy choice to make

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wasnt the gacha yesterday just more gold or something

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do not put it on shoshin again jfc

we're bound to hit a good useful ability and shoshin could just take all three gachas to the grave tonight

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oh i didnt remember that she has switcheroo

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fine

gacha vote shoshin

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VOTE: xreck

mmm yeah this can die too

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can we wagon reck?

skitter i think you're town but youre gonna have to come to terms w/ my towniness at some point, lets start by you casing me

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VOTE: Reck
Been think it over and I think points 1 and 3 skitter raises are pretty valid, plus I thought of setup impact and the way Reck’s role works seems built for scum usage, specifically the exact thing point 1 brings up, the ability to raise the lynch threshold

this is such fucking horseshit, he didn't think over anything. he saw an easy time to jump and he did

why isn't GE dead yet

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can we wagon reck?

skitter i think you're town but youre gonna have to come to terms w/ my towniness at some point, lets start by you casing me

i've said all this before i think but i'll put it in one place:

i dislike that you stayed on gamma emerald throughout the entirety of day 1; you said you were hoping that it would swing back to gamma emerald (1014) but imo it was fairly apparent that that wasn't happening that day at that point. at that point it bothered me because you weren't doing much to help get a useful lynch; staying on gamma emerald throughout day1 became scummier to me when i realized that you stayed on throughout the gammagooey day1 wagon - by keeping your vote on the first person you voted that day you made the lynch threshold 8 votes instead of 7, all while gammagooey was getting wagoned; if you're partners with him you were trying to make it harder to lynch him

i also feel like your reaction to gammagooey's dayvig was kinda fake/overdramatic/overblown - like you were trying to make sure everyone knew how surprised you were that he had done that

i also dislike you voting yourself for gacha; you have to know that you're not nearly townread enough to get it today; the gacha wagons were rather low at that point (one or two votes at most) so i felt like you were hoping that while you might not get a lot of support you might get just enough to disrupt someone townread from getting it; i didn't like that i had to prod you into voting shoshin for it given that the reasoning you gave for wanting it was bad (forcing scum to nk you)

in a vacuum i low-key townread first-vote-double-voter on role, but we had a scum dayvig so townreading you for that is kinda silly; i don't really townread like anything you've actually done. most of it i view as nai or scummy

1. i wasnt hoping it would swing back. i said i was leaving my vote there in case it did and because nothing else was really catching my interest. that's a huge difference.
2. i...honestly didnt even realize my shit would change the threshold lmfao. but another point: why would i work to save gamma d1 just for him to self destruct and instabus him d2?
3. gammagooey is my IRL friend. we've known each other for about 7 years now and hang out in person pretty regularly. we used to live 5 minutes away from each other. so the way i interact with him is gonna be way different from anything else. i was legit shocked @ him for doing that because i know him. and also a little salty that he was so scummy bc he was my one tether to sanity this game it felt
4. the only reason i voted shoshin was because you reminded me about the switcheroo. i still am basically only confident in myself being town so yes, im going to use my gachapon vote to give it to someone i actually trust (that someone being me). i also think i am gonna keep getting left alive as mislynch bait since my ability is p much useless (oh woo hoo a double vote one time at the start of the day) so ill do anything i can to force scum to NK me before you asshats mislynch me

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also like skitter go back and reread gammagooey defending me d1 against rc

like i dont think there's any world in which i let him do that if we're scum together

that was absolutely him doing it to pocket me

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if i was scum w/ gamma and had daytalk we deff wouldve talked about whether he should defend me or not in the scum PT before he did that, yes, 100%

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this wagon on me is omegalulz

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nice post, porkens, good job, very proud

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if i was scum w/ gamma and had daytalk we deff wouldve talked about whether he should defend me or not in the scum PT before he did that, yes, 100%

obviously you'd know what you/gamma would do in that scenario better than i do, but i'm also a little hesitant to trust this info since you're the one telling it to me in your own defense

i mean yes, that's true

i think it's more of "we're familiar with each other and would do this thing" rather than a meta call since afaik we've never been scum together on site

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sorry for the inactivity. i think this is where i want to end the day

VOTE: reck

wow good vote great reasons such strong work NSG

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anyway i was townie

i was magnus, always rushing in to situations without thinking, and bc i dont wait to plan an attack, it gives me an extra vote on the first vote of each day

anyway bye you all suck real bad at this game

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lynch thru my wagon and win the game though

skitter simultaneously pushing me while asking others why they're voting me
GE is just scum af for early interactions w/ RC slot
NSG has done fuckall the entire goddamn game and then just comes in with a hammer vote on me after no case/reasons/anything
Creature, see NSG
Nosferatu is just openly trolling and admitting the wagon on me is dumb but staying on it anyway

lynch down this list in some order and you win, most likely GE/nos or GE/skitter or GE/NSG basically just lynch GE next

bye

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f u c k p o r k e n s

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seriously, don't lynch off my wagon until you have a dead scum. at least one is in that list i posted, possibly both of them

the fucking hoops they jumped thru to save gamma

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0% chance magnus is scum in this scenario ayyyy