Mini 2032: TAZ Mafia: Murder on the Rockport Limited [over]

[Gamma Emerald]

So can anyone tell me what town use there is to the wand of switcheroo?

[Gamma Emerald]

No? They can lynch you through the person you target.

[Gamma Emerald]

Two Gammas? That'll be confusing.

Just call me Emerald, Gemerald, or GE.

[Gamma Emerald]

this is xyzzy, your moderator, your best friend, and your #1

Trolls 2

fan! for some reason I have to go watch

Trolls 2

in a couple years!

votecount 1.03

5 players voting for RadiantCowbells (Gammagooey, SirCakez, xRECKONERx, xRECKONERx, Porkens)
2 players voting for xRECKONERx (northsidegal, Irrelephant11)
1 player voting for Gammagooey for lynch (Shoshin, Creature)
1 player voting for Kokichi Oma (Nosferatu)
1 player voting for skitter30 (RadiantCowbells)

3 players not voting for lynch (Varsoon, skitter30, Kokichi Oma)

with 14 votes, it takes 8 to lynch.

1 player voting for Shoshin for Fantasy Gachapon (Irrelephant11)

12 players not voting for Fantasy Gachapon (xRECKONERx, Gammagooey, Varsoon, skitter30, northsidegal, Kokichi Oma, RadiantCowbells, Porkens, Nosferatu, Creature, SirCakez, Shoshin)

the current day will end in (expired on 2018-09-24 17:00:00).

mod notes: I interpreted 67 as a vote for RadiantCowbells, but to avoid ambiguity, please try to avoid nicknames that are distant from someone's actual username.

oh nvm the reason has arrived ok

What is xyzzy’s mod meta on double voters?

[Gamma Emerald]

What are the consensus scumreads and why? While I intend to read it’ll be a while and I don’t want to be dead weight rn

[Gamma Emerald]

What are the consensus scumreads and why? While I intend to read it’ll be a while and I don’t want to be dead weight rn

Hey friend, Varsoon is scum.

Don’t dodge the question like that. I asked so I could have a vote out while I was reading and so I could know who to look at quickly before I got into reading the whole thread.

[Gamma Emerald]

Oh, I don't know who a consensus scumread is, or if there is one, but I do know that I'm town and that I'm a consensus townread.

That helps but not as much. I ask for scumreads because I can actually parse those better, as even with being consensus there may still be issues, while I’d it’s a consensus townreads it’s prolly right so there isn’t much for me to do.

[Gamma Emerald]

@xyzzy

i have regular v/la on fridays and saturdays

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searching for a brassherald replacement.

pretty sure brass siteflaked like two weeks ago so i don't think is ai

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Radiant, Irrelephant, and Creature are town.

ok, why?

i haven't really seen anything ai from either of them at this stage

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In terms of the gacha vote, we should always have a tie of the top 2 or 3 townreads so scum dont know which is getting the item

@xyzzy

what happens if there's a tie for the gacha vote at the end of the day?

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VOTE: xreckoner

i'm leaning towards nos as town so far.

rvs vote on reck, or are you scumreading him in some way?

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VOTE: Skitter

Hi do something please

hi

i was v/la

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he has two posts so far:
-ignoring RVS
-voting RC

He's here, but hasn't done anything towny. Seems like more than half the playerlist is eager to spew their town alignment, and he is not, and so I'm voting him. Also another thing that may or may not be a thing later

i don't understand

are you voting him for lack of content (in which case why aren't you, say, voting me?)

or is that you find these two posts scummy? (in which case, why is ignoring rvs and voting rc scummy things at this stage?)

like i can point to other people who have posted who haven't done anything towny (say, varsoon) so i don't get why you're voting reck in particular

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maybe town nsg? not super confident in that, idk

Liking early content from skitter

[Gamma Emerald]

Those good good boys got into Trolls 2.
Speaking of Trolls
Hey, Porkens, are you town?

as if you don't know

I really don't!
You throwing shade instead of being upfront, well, I dunno how to take that.
Humho.

This feels mildly forced by virtue of not really adding anything

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: NSG

here's a present for those of you who are also town

Normally I wouldn’t respond to a post by the person I replaced but RC self proclaims to be good at reading nsg which makes this good to keep in mind

[Gamma Emerald]

ok, what's the right question?

how many times have I misread NSG in any games in site history

the answer is 1, and until after said game I wasn't making a hard effort to get that read to 100%

Skitter giving up and following RC so fast sketch af
Creature being a nonpresence is always worrying too.

Cakez seems Town

[Gamma Emerald]

I don't think the line should be "don't discuss anyone you're in a game with." Like, let's say I'm in two games with NSG. One of them ends. Can I then discuss my thoughts on reading NSG with other players in the endgame? Or do I have to wait until I finish the other game? The line should be not to discuss ongoing games or behaviors in ongoing with anyone. But past games or general tendencies based on past games? Why not? Just seems like an unworkable and absurd line to draw. But whatever, let's stop discussing this here.

I’d say as long as you crop out things from the game still running you’re fine. If it happens subconsciously, I don’t think you’d get punished for that, maybe warned but I think people would be understanding

[Gamma Emerald]

Dunno why I quoted 135 in that post

[Gamma Emerald]

No firm eta but I have a goal of getting caught up before eod1 so hopefully the next few days
Also wdym gut town

again

? Only game I remember with you that’s completed is presidents mafia and I don’t recall you thinking of me that way

[Gamma Emerald]

I mindmelded with RC’s Cakez thoughts on Page 10

[Gamma Emerald]

i read up to page 7 then realized nothing was happening so i skipped the last 4 pages

yea im a doublevoter but only for the first person i vote each day

So this gives you incentive to votepark :fry:

[Gamma Emerald]

Gachapon vote: xRECKONERx

Now that that's out of the way.
VOTE: Kokichi Oma
I don't like you asking for gacha votes.

I saw this mentioned earlier and yeah Varsoon continuing to push Kokichi for essentially roleplaying isn’t a good look

[Gamma Emerald]

Reck's my choice. I don't care if it's a good choice. The fact that my choice doesn't seem like a good choice to you makes me that much more sure that I want to go with my choice.

Yeah I think Varsoon is scum. He has a particular arrogance here that is similar to a past game I’ve played with him (no name drop because no one would get it). He seemed especially arrogant in pushing his mislynch of choice that game (drealmerz7).

[Gamma Emerald]

'cus I saw my role PM was red-fonted and thought it was a scum PM at first, myself.
You insisting that's the mod color and all that feels like a weird justification.

Are you saying that isn’t zedzee’s mod color?
Oh god saying zedzee made me figuratively hurl a little

[Gamma Emerald]

Spoiler: A pretty clear case of Kokichi trying to look town by discussing best practices for a public mechanic while also pushing himself for the public mechanic powerup because he's the only one he knows is town amirite

What does everyone think about my gacha idea of tying?

@mod does gacha winner get announced in thread in the event of a tie

Well that ruins the tie thought I had.

vote: kokichi for gacha

I only trust myself so far.

Great, vote me to receive gacha

And I didn't ask, I demanded. To someone who says they think I'm town. If they think I'm town, they shouldn't mind voting me for gacha votes. Why are you trying to mispaint the picture here?

It looks bad out of context maybe
But in context it’s sensible and you trying to play to the out of context badness is scummy

[Gamma Emerald]

varsoon is town

Oh fuck wait Cakez is in the game someone would get the name drop
Cakez, I think Varsoon’s play is similar to in pieguyn game, thoughts?

[Gamma Emerald]

I have a hard townread on Reck. Furthermore, I didn't like the way the gacha votes were going and wanted to throw a wrench in that. Even furthermore, I knew the positions re: Reckoner and Gatcha and knew if I came in with a starkly different opinion that it would create discussion and game momentum.

This is kind of a contradiciton? Because you're saying that you townread him. So why should it matter why you put the gacha vote. But, then you state later you just voted him for it to create a discussion. But, you still aren't even explaining why you townread reck

The fuck I gotta explain a townread for?
And it's hardly a contradiction to townread someone and gacha vote someone and say that I did it all to also create discussion.
I don't ever have to claim any of my reads and I could've held my gacha vote, too.
C'mon, step it up senpai. You're too busy tryin'a poke holes in me that you're just looking desperate.

Wow you’re an idiot
You just called someone with less mafia experience senpai

[Gamma Emerald]

@Skitter: Oh! You meant this game! I thought you meant the previous game with the Adventure Zone flavor. Yes--I've also been reading this entire game as it's been posted.

I guess that I've played the 'lets discuss this mechanic's best use' card a lot as scum (see: Color Mafia games) and I've seen scum do it a lot early-game in my own public-mechanic heavy games, so it's a strategy I tend to associate with scum.

Shoshin is for sure sincere, but I feel like they're not looking beyond what people are saying at face-value.

Sorry if my tone is weird--I'm probably gonna be really weird this game in general since I'm working full time which is usually not something I've done while playing mafia. So we'll see how it goes.

ye i meant this taz game; i don't know much about the last one

i was comparing ur tone here to splatoon mafia; you were in a hydra and i scumread u there for a while because you have a ... blustery (i guess that's the right word? idk) tone that i kinda auto-scumread because it feels kinda bravado-y to me but i came around eventually and realized it was a personality thing and not an alignment thing

and that's kinda the tone u have here too, except in ur posts towards me which is kinda weird and i don't know what to do with that

i mean i guess that scum can use setup spec as a strategy, yes, but ur using setup spec to scumread kokichi and townread reck so this seems kinda contradictory to me; and i think that his wanting to tie the gacha vote is sincere and town-motivated tbh

Yeah I remember Varsoon’s play there made me consider force-replacing him
But there I feel it wasn’t as standoffish

[Gamma Emerald]

This is very simple. Varsoon is scum because town don't scumread players for doing the same thing they themselves are doing. Town don't scumread players for reacting to something the same way they reacted to it. They just don't.

But when scum "scumhunt," they sometimes suspect players for doing the same things they are doing, or for reacting the same way they did, because the scum believe their own behaviors are scummy and thus tend to see anyone who acts the same way as scummy. I know this is a scum-tell because I've seen scum do it over and over and just caught scum for doing this in a recent game.

In short, I don't see how a townie calls Kokichi scum for commenting on the red color when they themselves reacted exactly the same. Like, I had the same thought ("dam, I got a scum PM, oh wait, I'm town? awesome!") and my immediate instinct when I saw Kokichi say that was to think maybe town and in no universe would I ever have scumread him for that. It just doesn't make sense for a townie to think that way.

I think that's enough to lynch him. So, please, more votes on Varsoon!

This point is very valid imo

[Gamma Emerald]

If Varsoon is my partner no way in hell I let him bring a case on me that bad, I would actually help him construct one that can actually make some sense, and not one that everyone agrees (besides SirCakez????) is awful.

He has more experience, why would he listen to you?

[Gamma Emerald]

yeah i havent moved my vote bc i dont wanna lose the doublevote just in case it winds up being the RCslot today and honestly nothing else is making me feel real good or passionate and nobody has presented anything resembling a good argument or case as to why i should move my vote

This logic is fair tbh
But I don’t really see the lynch swinging my way today and if you’re Town you’re just making a scum lynch harder

[Gamma Emerald]

that reck townread feels really terrible and like an attempt to pocket someone that based on your past experiences with Reckoner in his prime would be a threat.

what the fuckin shit is this

are you referencing varsoon

he has no experience with me. like at all??

This comes as a surprise to me

[Gamma Emerald]

I've looked at Transformers. It had more than one scum faction and I think Creature's play there has no bearing on his alignment in normal games that don't have multiple factions. And I assume this is more of a normal setup where scum can't actually scumhunt, so he's town until further notice.

I think Gooey has a decent point but because of another game (heroes wanted)
@Gooey in a bit, I have been posting thoughts as I go so maybe that will help

[Gamma Emerald]

I'd take either of those right now. I think Irrel's more likely to flip scum but the combined force of Gamma's worst posts and RC's worst posts make that slot a dumpster fire for me.

”Let’s discredit the slot that is pushing me whee!”

Irrel's willingness to just push ANYONE through while saying scummy shit like him loving last minute wagons warrants rope, tons of it.
Gammagoo coming at me with "I Won't mention the game but varsoon was scum in a game once!" is reaching so far it puts Jordan's dunk at the end of Space Jam to shame.

I actually named it when I remembered Cakez was in it but thanks for making it clear you’re only mentioning points that are convenient for you.

[Gamma Emerald]

oooh you got me there

I never played a game modded by pie
I’m referring to the one where pie was backup IC, it was modded by GiF

[Gamma Emerald]

Meant to quote the relevant part of the wall post but w/e
Fuck phoneposting

[Gamma Emerald]

oooh you got me there

I never played a game modded by pie
I’m referring to the one where pie was backup IC, it was modded by GiF

I honestly can't remember this :/ Do you remember the name?

The game is called “this game is for pieguyn”, that’s really clumsy though so I call it pieguyn game

[Gamma Emerald]

I don’t think I’m going to have enough time to read the whole game but I’ll try to get to halfway

[Gamma Emerald]

Also varsoon jump over to me was incredibly opportunistic

He calls me town and tries to pocket me, when it doesn't work he comes up with this 'oh I can't townread RC when he's doing x' rationale, then randomly decides to 180 on me while contradicting himself in terms of me going from most active to having done less than kokichi to get himself on a wagon with momentum.

I want to call reckoner scum but this is no worse than I'd expect from town him.

Getting rather tired of games like this

I’d actually thought about this change myself and thought it peculiar. This post confirms my thinking and I think the presented motive is sensible.

[Gamma Emerald]

how are you reading reck right now? maybe it's kind of a tinfoil theory but i feel like there's a decent chance that from the start his whole plan as scum might have been to try to set rc off (given his experience in team mafia)

policy double voting someone from the start of the game just because of their personality seems very odd to me, and it came at a time when there was already something of an rvs wagon there (hence my initial vote)

This is a sensible post
I’m thinking nsg is town

[Gamma Emerald]

Nvm

VOTE: Porkens

I’d like to know why you changed your mind here

[Gamma Emerald]

Are all you really that big of a chump?

Rc is railroading these things through and they don't even pass the giggle test.

VOTE: rc[/]

Wtf is the giggle test

[Gamma Emerald]

@Cakez: Idk I feel like between This Game Is For Pieguyn and Splatoon Mafia Varsoon is closer in play to the first one.
Btw what are the cases on Irrel and Gooey as those seem to be the leading wagons rn

[Gamma Emerald]

Ok so

If you think Shoshin is gullible who's tricking her?
Who do you think duped her into thinking Reck isn't reading?

What causes your townread of Reck to be so strong? (sorry if I've missed the answer to this somewhere)

What were you saying about Shoshin in 303?

What made you feel the need to apologize for tone?

It's weird that you're voting me and simultaneously all "Oh, this is where I would see scum jumping on this wagon."

Is it weird? I don't know your alignment, so I have to keep both things in my head. Why is it weird?

Also, damn, apologies for being the first person to drop an ACTUAL CASE on a player this game, it blows my mind that so many people think it's bad but don't spend any fucking time detailing why.

I can see why this would be frustrating you. Does this say something about the alignment of the players scumreading you? Or does it maybe suggest you're just wrong about Kokichi? Or is there any other conclusion you can draw from this frustration?

oh
sure

ummmm but why did you use up your double vote power so early?

What's your read on RC currently?
Also @Reck how good are you at reading RC in general?

yeah, huh. I'll wait for a Porkens explanation before voting there

It's not really a tangible thing that I can put a lot of words to but it just -feels- to me like these questions are meaningless and not going anywhere.
It is worth noting that he never did anything with any of the answers and that backs that up but I just feel like he was scum asking questions for the sake of looking town, not town hunting.
Like these are questions that look very interesting but like I don't think this is actually how Irrelephant scumhunting works if that makes sense.
He talks a lot but he doesn't actually do much in terms of pushing anything or having any spicy reads.

The porkens thing just feels rly rly informed to me. What it feels like to me is that he knows that Porkens is town and doesn't want to seem too eager jumping there, I feel like he should have had more of a reaction to it. Just content to sit and wait for an explanation and not really follow up on it doesn't feel like town who was worried about it.

I think Varsoon was also dead on the money when he said that Irrelephant was playing both sides. (his wording was that he was saying this is where scum jump on while voting)

nsg: sheeping RC's scumlean for now

Prettyy much ready to locktown Shoshin & RC (and by extension probably creature, I guess?)
At least till D2.

So the only way Shoshin is scum is if it's with RC I think but for now neither of them is scum so yeah Shoshin should get gachapon votes

You get really strong reads from small things and while it's impressive it's not 100% accurate and I'd just like to note that here so I remember to measure Varsoon against my own gut/logic and not just your thoughts.
At the same time, I have come to a pretty similar conclusion on his slot so far so this is fine.

VOTE: Varsoon for a variety of pretty good reasons that have already been said, even though the skill of this playerlist makes me feel like this is too obvious. Not sure where else to turn rn, though, so.

Are you talking about me or Reck here
I have a lot of negative feelings about you as a player rn so my short answer for your slot is "let Shoshin figure it out, re-evaluate d2"
Independently I'm slightly scumreading you so far but I can't tell how much of that is my feelings so like I said

Overall this is just a lot of hedging but there's a lot more to this.

1) Irrelephant is well aware that I'm like absolutely fucking god tier at reading NSG. Insta gamesolve level. Yet the best he's willing to do is sheep my scumlean for now?
2) Until D2? Does he trust the reads or not? Why isn't he committing to anything?
3) Again, refuses to commit to anything, creates a world where we can both be scum but sure Shoshin gets votes.
4) This just vibes to me as scum talking to town about an incorrect scumread that that town has, and I'm not sure I can make anyone else see that, but it's very hedgy.
5) Even when he votes he hedges as fuck and acts like he believes its flipping scum without trying to sort beyond that, just shrugs at it.
6) CAN SHOSHIN READ ME OR NOT? If you're independently scumreading me then are you going to do something about it?

Btw NOSFERATU does a similar thing about my NSG read which was one of the draws of the approach I took.

Also

kokichi makes a fair point that "it was for townread" and "it was for discussion", while not directly contradictory, do seem to both be fighting for space in your mind, like you can't decide which it is. not sure I scumread it, but I do scumread you refusing to explain a townread. Unless it gives scum setup info it's always good to explain a townread. It's often even good to explain a nullread, for that matter

Scumreading Varsoon because of stuff that he argues based on it being good or bad, not scummy or not scummy.

I also feel like he has at least potentially SvS interactions with both my other scumreads, Kokichi maybe slightly less so but Gamma I strongly believe is scum with him.
The Nosferatu/Gamma 1/2 scum is a common thing for scum to do with their scum partners, he also overexplains kokichi quite a bit
He then calls Gamma a townlean but his lightest townlean when next brought up, but he was 1/2 scum before

which people?

Reck / Porkens

I barely posted after you left. So why do you scumread me?

PoE, you were always on the shady side and now i have a lot more townreads.

This post makes me feel like Irrel is a decent vote
VOTE: Irrelephant11

L-1

[Gamma Emerald]

no no stop

i promise I will start actually playing this game tomorrow.

please don't lynch me in the next 24 hours. I will read and post actual things

Ok the switch from bravado to cowering by Porkens on Page 25 is really gross

[Gamma Emerald]

mostly just this sweet music video

Kill: Varsoon

Yeah this is scum
What’s he at rn

[Gamma Emerald]

NSG and Kokichi are slots I'm particularly interested in now.

Agreed on Kokichi
Now that Varsoon flipped town that back in consideration for me

[Gamma Emerald]

yeah i was kinda thinking the same

i'm a little surprised that nsg ignored shoshin hard-townreading irrel and wanted a lynch there anyways

also i'm kinda dubious about the back end of the irrel wagon given that there were 8 votes on it and a lot of those votes came in quick succession

i will note that there was a fair amount of overlap between the gammagooey and irrel wagons tho

Well with needing 8 votes to lynch that was kinda necessary

[Gamma Emerald]

@mod: please replace me

Despite the fact that I signed up for this months ago before the game was even announced
Despite the fact that TAZ is my favorite podcast and I was excited to play in it

I am not going to play in a game with a toxic, cancerous, egomaniac who thinks making light of a very real natural disaster and the panic I've felt for the past 3 days watching my fucking friend's house get consumed by water or being up till 3AM to make sure my mother in law isn't dead is somehow game-related

RC, I mean this sincerely, I think you're repulsive.

I noticed this about RECKONER

So?
RC replaced out and Reck is still in, how does that post matter

[Gamma Emerald]

why is it 6 to lynch with 12 votes in play

[Gamma Emerald]

well he probably won't unvote if scum
so are we just going to not lynch gooey or what?

[Gamma Emerald]

I don’t want any day to end before everyone posts btw

[Gamma Emerald]

gammag is definitely scum but i will not vote in the interest of more relevant people getting gold

Agreed
I think we should increase gold spread overall as switcheroo is the most expensive item

[Gamma Emerald]

scum probably got the self watcher and knew they had to kill varsoon. might be able to catch another scum from spending histories

Wait is that a thing that we can look at?

[Gamma Emerald]

Also how would self-watcher work if they were blocked?

[Gamma Emerald]

godamn why all you fucks voting me

dayvigs can't be scum it's mafiascum law

don't you guys even meta

also listen to some more music that definitely doesn't have a relevant band name

That’s normals only
Nice try scum.

[Gamma Emerald]

Why isn’t Shoshin in your townblock

[Gamma Emerald]

xRECKONERx

skitter30

northsidegal

Kokichi Oma

Gamma Emerald
Porkens

Creature

Shoshin

i guess this is where i am now?

Are these Creature style or the reverse

[Gamma Emerald]

Why is northsidegal town again?

RC said so.

If RC's slot is town, I'll trust it.

But I don't see much reason to townread her, especially after that terrible push on Irrelephant plus her absence from the Gamma wagon.

Which Gamma (G) wagon?

[Gamma Emerald]

Did you not see the G in parentheses

[Gamma Emerald]

What the-
Hold up

[Gamma Emerald]

Yeah no: what the fuck are you doing
I thought you could have switcheroo but you weren’t on both lynches which makes that rather improbable

[Gamma Emerald]

If you had switcheroo you could be trying to lynch someone else via that power
But unless you somehow got a ton of gold (which if so makes you suspect) that’s not likely
We’re not lynching Kokichi today.

[Gamma Emerald]

dunno seems like a townslip

Explain?

[Gamma Emerald]

What do you think of gamma saying I could have switcharoo when I wasnt on the scum lynch

I think this is disingenuous as fuck

[Gamma Emerald]

It’s a lie by omission
You are omitting the “but you weren’t on both lynches” clause to make your point look better

[Gamma Emerald]

I’ll just claim now since I think my role is important
I’m a food vendor. I won’t say who I targeted or what I vend specifically until someone speaks up about receiving any food. But I figured I could vend to Kokichi tonight, ask who got food, and see if a switcheroo happened. That’s why I said I wasn’t interested in voting him today.

[Gamma Emerald]

@mod Reck’s vote on me counts for 2

[Gamma Emerald]

Wait did we give Switcheroo to Shoshin?

What?

[Gamma Emerald]

Possibly? Why is it a concern to you?

[Gamma Emerald]

Do you think Shoshin is scum rn? If so why?

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: northsidegal
I gave nsg food (which was fried unicorn dick btw) both nights, I was trying to get her to respond in some way about it, but her thinking I targeted Kokichi tells me she is denying receiving it, which should be impossible.

[Gamma Emerald]

The way she reacted tells me something is interfering with her reception of the item. I targeted her twice BECAUSE I thought it was possible Varsoon did block me and events so happened in a way that it looked to him like I did the kill, so I wanted to try and get her to react once more. Unless mafia decided to roleblock me night 2 for some sideways logic, that second one should 100% have been received. As such her reaction is more likely deception than something actually causing a failure to transmit.

[Gamma Emerald]

I see
That was poorly communicated then.
VOTE: Kokichi

[Gamma Emerald]

Really tho what

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: northsidegal
I gave nsg food (which was fried unicorn dick btw)

both

nights, I was trying to get her to respond in some way about it, but her thinking I targeted Kokichi tells me she is denying receiving it, which should be impossible.

READING
IS
TECH!!!!

[Gamma Emerald]

so am i allowed to vote for the wagon or not :/

Why was this not a concern when voting Gooey?

[Gamma Emerald]

Really tho what

was it really that poorly communicated

I feel like it was
Why don’t you?

[Gamma Emerald]

so am i allowed to vote for the wagon or not :/

Why was this not a concern when voting Gooey?

'cause that was the first time

You were on Irrel too
So not the first time

[Gamma Emerald]

Really tho what

was it really that poorly communicated

I feel like it was
Why don’t you?

how could he have worded in a way to catch u as scum while letting you know that was the purpose lol

I guess?
Also nsg is a she

[Gamma Emerald]

Also nsg is a she

wasnt really talking about nsg but thanks for the notice

i never would have guessed northsidegal identifies as a she

Well who then

[Gamma Emerald]

Btw, resuming reading the pages before I replaced in, which I wanted to do d2 but the day got sidetracked

I'm not lynching someone just because you dislike them, but if you give me a reason to think Reck's scum, sure. I think double voter is town more often than scum, and the fact that he was checking the game as a hurricane approached when he didn't actually have to check it if he were scum makes me think he's town. Not a great reason, but slightly townier than null.

Do you think diubkevote is town vía general thinking or specific mod meta?

[Gamma Emerald]

Nice one xyzzy
I was playing Pokémon go when that happened

[Gamma Emerald]

I think it’s engagement indicative not alignment indicative
Though I don’t recall seeing much to suggest Reck actually IS engaged in the game.

[Gamma Emerald]

i was thinking about it a bit more and i think that reck sitting on gamma emerald at the end of day 1 is low-key townie in that since he claims that if he changes his vote he loses the double-vote, the irrel lynch would have required 8 votes instead of 7 if he had moved off of gamma, which imo would have made the mislynch slightly harder to get

Okay can you rephrase this because it’s incredibly hard to tell what point you’re making
Feels like a SHROOP tbh

[Gamma Emerald]

SHROOP is a shorthand for a post that because of oddness in how they're written have higher scum equity, based on the idea that scum are more likely to revise and thus more likely to make those errors.

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm saying the incomprehensibleness of the post looks mildly scummy in a way

[Gamma Emerald]

oh got it

eh i can understand that; i think i'd have cared more about trying to make it more comprehensible if i was scum but whatever

Fair point, you'd want to convince people

[Gamma Emerald]

i suppose it could be said that gamma and reck probably aren't s/s.

idk about that honestly

Why?

[Gamma Emerald]

cause i mean i just played a game where rc bused math so hard he got force replaced just like here.
they cross voted and math didn't unvote the entire time the slot was alive.

im not saying its what happened here but i wouldnt say that their interactions are indicative of not svs

i also think skitter is town, her posts are more useless as scum

Math kept his vote there because of the bad push though right? Reck doesn’t think like math so keeping the vote doesn’t mean the same thing

[Gamma Emerald]

oh gee i think there was a bug

Why mention this?

[Gamma Emerald]

Why would bming be a bad thing
And you need to be holding the Ctrl key for that

[Gamma Emerald]

True, that was never claimed to have been used

[Gamma Emerald]

Btw

hard claiming I'm hated

So try not to accidentally lynch me

I forgot about this. I'm hated so dont forget. But yea I am VT

oh yeah i forgot you were hated too

i feel like hated makes you not-vt? or am i wrong?

I think so

[Gamma Emerald]

right i mean i guess my point is there are two options:

- koki is telling the truth, in which case, scum won't ever shoot koki and koki in lylo = scum win
- koki is lying, in which case, scum

i don't see an avenue to success that isn't Lynch Koki

No...? Hated is removed in Lylo unless xyzzy forgot how to mod well

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Reck
Yeah this Koki push feels kinda shady

[Gamma Emerald]

You’ve been in this site how long? I call bullshit on you not knowing hated/loved gets removed in lylo.

[Gamma Emerald]

ive literally run hateds in my games before and i dont think i ever put that on it bc it wasn't site meta when i started playing

Hmm
I need to check something
But on the surface this looks like a fair explanation

[Gamma Emerald]

i am sure i have been in games where hated modifiers went away in lylo but the bulk of my games here weren't during that era

Yeah this is fair
I thought to check Just Play The Hits but that was all 1-shot abilities

[Gamma Emerald]

How is that hated tho

[Gamma Emerald]

What do you make of my claim
My role is lierally the best way to check for switcheroo
PEdit: it’s a podcast based on a tabletop game

[Gamma Emerald]

But your doublevote doesn’t even do much for the game tbh
Only in evens does it help, in odds it either is neutral or hurts

[Gamma Emerald]

Wait why is Kokichi still self voting
Um...

[Gamma Emerald]

Oh wait.

I'M at L-1 SINCE IM HATED

So it was just a VC error but still
Why post this if you’ve already given up?
VOTE: Kokichi Oma

[Gamma Emerald]

You clearly read my post because you knew I voted you. So why did you said I still gave up?

1323 left less of an impression on me than the self vote

[Gamma Emerald]

what am I witnessing

Spoiler:

mod note: as requested, I have put the spoilered image inside a

Spoiler:

tag.

[Gamma Emerald]

yeah that's a bit weird

@MOD can you spoiler= that?

[Gamma Emerald]

UNVOTE:
I thought he had still been in give up mode despite having removed the self vote
I saw the unvote, but glanced over the accompanying text

[Gamma Emerald]

But he doesnt realy sound like he's given up right now? Like he keeps trumpeting the fact that he's at l1

Like i guess im just kinda confused why youre making a thing about the selfvote several days irl after it happened

Because I'm STUPID.

[Gamma Emerald]

w/e
after that I'd be surprised if I lasted an irl day

[Gamma Emerald]

You do realize no one has voted for the gachapon right

[Gamma Emerald]

Gachapon Vote: NSG

[Gamma Emerald]

What tf are we wagoning?

Me

[Gamma Emerald]

Is there any reason Nos is town?

Idrk
Why do you think he’s scum?

[Gamma Emerald]

How does that make him scum
iirc lurking is his normal meta

[Gamma Emerald]

Maybe skitter actually
I feel like getting targeted by that vote fuckery make skitter likely town

[Gamma Emerald]

Maybe skitter actually
I feel like getting targeted by that vote fuckery make skitter likely town

what vote fuckery?

Skitter can’t switch votes from the first one he makes
He also can only vote for lynch or gacha
And hell no to Kokichi getting gacha

[Gamma Emerald]

Gacha vote me

Do you really think stacking all the abilities on one person is smart?

[Gamma Emerald]

Gacha is me or Creature.

Gachapon Vote: Creature

OK
I still don’t want to pile it all on and have it get wasted by you dying

[Gamma Emerald]

Fine

Gachapon Vote: Shoshin

[Gamma Emerald]

Did NSG ever confirm receiving fruit? I don't understand why she's being so uncooperative on that front.

She did, but it took me saying in no uncertain terms she should have gotten it, which was annoying because I wanted her to come forward and show some town initiative

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma, why are people voting you, and why do you seem resigned to your death?

People are voting me because Varsoon possibly blocked me (TWEAK happened here, will explain further down) and there was no kill so they think I could be scum
While that’s kinda flimsy logic I don’t really think it’s easy to defend beyond screaming WIFOM at people.
As for me being resigned after the self-vote debacle I was like “welp I’m 99% dead, might as well just help however I can”. But now that people are dissenting I have my spirit back
So about that TWEAK thing. Part of why I’m resigned is that sometimes, you have to accept your own lynch as beneficial Town solving the game as town (remember American presidents? Same deal there). Now this was brought in a game both me and nsg were in (I’d replaced out by then but that’s IRRELEVANT). It was brought up because the town rb had actually blocked nsg n1 and there was no kill then either. nsg was not of this mindset at all and caused a lot of distraction. Why does that make TWEAK happen? Well I feel like nsg kinda should have made that connection. Maybe Reck too as he was also there and involved in that debate

[Gamma Emerald]

Why'd you stop voting Koki?

Because I voted him for shit reasons

[Gamma Emerald]

What's TWEAK?

It was a written expression of something snapping in my head

[Gamma Emerald]

Well I feel like nsg kinda should have made that connection.

town lost that game because they didn't listen to me. i will never ever accept my own lynch.

Well I accepted my lynch in American presidents and town won. You wouldn’t know that because you flaked tho

[Gamma Emerald]

I don’t know what would have happened, but everyone suspected me so it was smarter to keep me out of lylo

[Gamma Emerald]

Plus me and Irrel were in spaam

[Gamma Emerald]

imma be real, im voting gamma simply because he claimed fruit vendor

The fuck?

[Gamma Emerald]

imma be real, im voting gamma simply because he claimed fruit vendor

The fuck?

ignoring the fact that i voted u before u claimed ye

y tho???

[Gamma Emerald]

Ok
I thought you had some policy against fruit vendors

[Gamma Emerald]

in all seriousness its cause people say ridiculous shit like "im voting because he claimed FV" and then you'll just fucking go "ok"

no way you flip green rofl

That’s not how the fucking conversation went
VOTE: Nosferatu

[Gamma Emerald]

So...what? I’m supposed to pitch a fit because you are suspecting me for x reason? You know I’m not that kind of guy anymore right? Do you WANT me to be that kind of guy? Do you want me to basically play the same way RC does? Hell no. Take my calm demeanor and shove it up your high-and-mighty ass.

[Gamma Emerald]

Porkens/Creature pls vote Shoshin for Gacha

[Gamma Emerald]

do not put it on shoshin again jfc

we're bound to hit a good useful ability and shoshin could just take all three gachas to the grave tonight

I already raised that concern

[Gamma Emerald]

Does anyone not think skitter is town?

[Gamma Emerald]

Idk, I kinda feel he's suss but I also recall townbinning him for something recent

[Gamma Emerald]

Meh it wasn't so much me thinking it was towny as me thinking it wasn't scummy, and because I unvoted for it it caused some confusion to myself

[Gamma Emerald]

Then we can lynch

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma flips scum here for sure. Skit answer my question when you can

Quote from Saturday lol

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Reck
Been think it over and I think points 1 and 3 skitter raises are pretty valid, plus I thought of setup impact and the way Reck’s role works seems built for scum usage, specifically the exact thing point 1 brings up, the ability to raise the lynch threshold

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma, why aren't you voting Koki? WTF?

Why are you?
Anyway, I think he could be scum, but Reck a) has the bigger wagon and b) has a role that is more obstructive if scum

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma flips scum here for sure. Skit answer my question when you can

Quote from Saturday lol

Yawn
This post came between Nos and my vote

[Gamma Emerald]

Cool, admit to alternative facts

[Gamma Emerald]

That if I wanted to follow you I could have done it sooner?

[Gamma Emerald]

Yeah

[Gamma Emerald]

Urgh
Idk why that kill was made

[Gamma Emerald]

sorry reck

koki why is gamma scum?

i've kinda lost my townread on nsg

gamma why do you find that nk surprising?

That wasn’t really a surprise reaction as much as a “gfdi” one cos I targeted Creature with my ability last night

[Gamma Emerald]

Also why the fuck is Porkens apologizing

[Gamma Emerald]

gamma do you have any thoughts on skitters wordless hammer as it might relate to her alignment

It doesn’t really strike me as worth much attention. It feels within how I feel skitter has been up to now.

[Gamma Emerald]

It feels within how I feel skitter has been up to now.

elaborate?

It feels in-line with how he’s been playing

[Gamma Emerald]

er she

[Gamma Emerald]

yes i can understand the literal textual meaning of what your words say. what i would like elaboration on is what exactly you mean by a wordless hammer being similar to "how you feel she's been up to now"

She’s felt somewhat for the most part but very forceful when she does speak up

[Gamma Emerald]

okay. i still don't really understand what that means but i don't think i'm really going to get any sort of answer that i was looking for. the wordless hammer seemed weird to me at first but then i remembered that she did something similar as town in splatoon mafia when voting a guilty that also rubbed me the same way. thought you might have remembered that

I think that was at the point NM took over the game? Idk

[Gamma Emerald]

Wait how do you know about that?

[Gamma Emerald]

because i read a lot of games on this site.

Ok

[Gamma Emerald]

koki why is gamma scum?

I've explained it every day since day 1. Nk15 was gamma slot

Wrong game my dude

[Gamma Emerald]

If you had switcheroo you could be trying to lynch someone else via that power
But unless you somehow got a ton of gold (which if so makes you suspect) that’s not likely
We’re not lynching Kokichi today.

VOTE: Reck
Yeah this Koki push feels kinda shady

Oh wait.

I'M at L-1 SINCE IM HATED

So it was just a VC error but still
Why post this if you’ve already given up?
VOTE: Kokichi Oma

How does this progression make any sense by the way.

Actually it does
It clicked “why the fuck would he be concerned about hated as either alignment if he had a switcheroo active?”
I don’t think I said this at any point yesterday because I just didn’t care enough about the game, but I do now

[Gamma Emerald]

sorry for the inactivity. i think this is where i want to end the day

VOTE: reck

comes in no context goes "i think i wanna end the day here" and puts reck to L-1
did next to nothing previously and basically lolhammered since skitter follows up a few hours later in an equally sus manner

VOTE: reck

gamma --> nsg --> skitter/shoshin should win, shoshin has completely fallen off the earth as of late

{porkens, nos, kokichi} are the mislynch options

Fuuuuuuck no, that’s a pure mislynch chain, plus Shoshin hasn’t “fallen off the face of the earth” at all

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Nosferatu
Meant to do this in the previous post
L-1 btw

[Gamma Emerald]

Oh I mistook your gacha bote aa you voting nos I think

[Gamma Emerald]

Oh I mistook your gacha bote aa you voting nos I think

Why did you put nos at what you believed to be l1? That seemed kinda fast/not-cautious to me

Because I felt confident in the vote

[Gamma Emerald]

(Im a she btw)

whoops. i just want u to know that even when i say he, i mean she.

as contrary as that sounds o/

that's ok

gamma what do you think about the kokichi/hated thing?

I think it sucks and I wish he’d gotten that info sooner
I’ve also been trying to think of ways to just make him lynch immune but nothing comes to mind other than switcheroo which could backfire
@Kokichi I’m curious why exactly you gave up during D3?

[Gamma Emerald]

Well, the JK obviously didn't stop the kill, so I can't say if it was helpful yet.

What about the neap, has that been used yet?

[Gamma Emerald]

The gold was used to finance a switcheroo

[Gamma Emerald]

I didn’t fully consider the night actions thing.

Intent to hammer Kokichi

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm also fairly confident on who the scum are once we get Koki's flip.

Another slip btw lol. Literally confirms I will flip town.

I don’t see it.

[Gamma Emerald]

Because I Scumread the person being wagoned?

[Gamma Emerald]

I do have games where I have done this a Town before, though the one I remember best is hella old

[Gamma Emerald]

I think so
I might check something, I remember in a past game someone tracked a few games’ worth of voting patterns for me

[Gamma Emerald]

Are you shitting me rn
I gave it to Creature last night
Why do you ask?

[Gamma Emerald]

Why would you give it to Creature?

Give it to me tonight. I won't die. I can confirm your role.

Because he was all 3 lynches so if he bought switcheroo I wanted to keep an eye on him (skitter was too but I wasn’t thinking skitter could be scum)

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma, give the food to me please. I would like to confirm that you're telling the truth about your role. If I don't receive food from you, I'm lynching you tomorrow. No excuses.

Also, Skitter, can you talk to me about what you've been doing with the gold?

But didn’t you use switcheroo last night? This making any food I give you not actually able to reach you?
Also tbh I think we might be helped by a mass claim

[Gamma Emerald]

Lynch kokichi pls

You have no qualms with declaring intent on him?
Also I thought we all agreed to massclaim our own roles at the very least

[Gamma Emerald]

@nosferatu, thoughts on kokichi needing to die before tomorrow?

why can't we kill him tomorrow

Why do you think he needs to die tomorrow? You’re scumreading me and nsg right?

[Gamma Emerald]

By tomorrow I mean at all

[Gamma Emerald]

why do people try to politic scumreads like this?

What is this about?

[Gamma Emerald]

Why do you think he needs to die tomorrow? You’re scumreading me and nsg right?

he's hated so he can't be in lylo

i infinitely want either one of you mroe than town kokichi

But a mislynch today makes tomorrow lylo
I am just baffled over this seeming oversight, it feels like you’re scumslipping here

[Gamma Emerald]

Why do you think he needs to die tomorrow? You’re scumreading me and nsg right?

he's hated so he can't be in lylo

i infinitely want either one of you mroe than town kokichi

But a mislynch today makes tomorrow lylo
I am just baffled over this seeming oversight, it feels like you’re scumslipping here

no im just that confident that you or nsg flip scum here

I mean I figured that was possible, I just didn’t want to give you an out
You saying that means you aren’t 100% sure the team is exactly me+nsg though right?

[Gamma Emerald]

Yeah I'm hated scum in a setup like this where there is a town double voter lol.

Lynch gamma and shoshin pls

A town double voter that only helps in evens. Yeah right.

[Gamma Emerald]

is he dead yet?

Is who dead yet?

[Gamma Emerald]

about ready to park my vote on gamma again

my role gives extra gold to a targeted person on the list,

ive only used it 2 times, on kokichi, and porkens, n3, n4

I don’t trust those selections at all tbh

[Gamma Emerald]

I only used gold last night to protect my target because I was salty after Creature died

[Gamma Emerald]

Meh, I suppose I'll just claim. Scum already know, anyway.

I switcheroo'd myself & Skitter. Yes, I was hoping scum would try to kill me so that Skitter would die.

Gamma's obviously in a position to confirm the switch, since he targeted me last night with the food. It ended up switching to Skitter. If scum tried to kill me, it also would have switched to Skitter. But my guess is that scum didn't nightkill.

Yeah I can verify
But what confuses me is you say you tracked me to you but by what xyzzy said I should have been seen visiting skitter?

[Gamma Emerald]

I lied. Gamma visited you. Which means he targeted me.

Nvm

[Gamma Emerald]

, and shoshin keeps playing really weirdly in this way that makes me question if my expectations are off or if i really am seeing something different.

Elaborate?

it's mostly a comparison with pokemon go and the way she pushed her scumreads pretty aggressively there vs the way she's dealt with them this game

---
so let me get this clear: these are the claims we have on the table:

I got gamma's food last night, so if someone got rb'd, it wasnt him (i was also specifically told it came from gamma so i guess hes a loud fruit vendor?)

I switcheroo'd myself & Skitter. Yes, I was hoping scum would try to kill me so that Skitter would die.

I lied. Gamma visited you. Which means he targeted me.

how exactly do tracker results work with switcheroo? i would think that a track would still show a person going to A if they targeted A even if A switcheroo'd with B, but perhaps not. under the interpretation where switcheroo doesn't change who a person who visits someone would be seen visiting when tracked, i'm pretty sure we have directly conflicting claims.

the fact that gamma also did not react or respond in any way at all to skitter's claiming that she received the fruit (literally the first post of the day) is pretty scum indicative. i think i'm leaning towards wanting to lynch gamma the most out of my three right now

I’m no? I avoided responding because I didn’t want to explicitly lie but I also didn’t want to reveal who Shoshin had switcheroo’d with. Why don’t you think what TOWN motivation exists there.

[Gamma Emerald]

the fact that gamma also did not react or respond in any way at all to skitter's claiming that she received the fruit (literally the first post of the day) is pretty scum indicative. i think i'm leaning towards wanting to lynch gamma the most out of my three right now

Why is this scum-indicative?

What do you think he did last night? Ie how do you think scum!gamma resolves everything?

i guess i have two reasons / possibilities:

the first, in a non-partner context, is that he just isn't reading the thread very closely - essentially just popping in to say something random and not really all that game relevant and then popping out. not reading the thread closely is something i've considered a pretty reliable scumtell for a while, especially for players who have posting styles similar to gamma's

Spoiler:

about ready to park my vote on gamma again

my role gives extra gold to a targeted person on the list,

ive only used it 2 times, on kokichi, and porkens, n3, n4

I don’t trust those selections at all tbh

I only used gold last night to protect my target because I was salty after Creature died

the second would be considering the possibility that gamma and shoshin are scum together and gamma stayed silent to not contradict shoshin when it came to any of the details of what she's saying about tracking him / to wait for her to claim the track before saying anything about you getting the fruit

First possibility: kinda a fair assessment, but has more to do with overall lack of engagement in mafia long-term
Second possibility: all of that came when I wasn’t checking the thread for a bit. Plus if you think about why I’d try to not reveal anything there as Town it’ll make a lot more sense

[Gamma Emerald]

Shoshin Town
You + skitter meh
Nos + Porkens scum

[Gamma Emerald]

Now please tell meh what Town motivation you can see in my actions

[Gamma Emerald]

gamma you also protected shoshin, right?

Yeah

[Gamma Emerald]

Tbh I kinda want to wait for nos/pork to weigh in despite suspecting them

[Gamma Emerald]

I can claim my flavor while I’m here
I’m Petrilda, Fried Conjurer
My role is that I can make any food but everyone wants the fried unicorn dick so that’s the only thing I can vend

[Gamma Emerald]

Btw what happens if you die since you targeted yourself technically

[Gamma Emerald]

I’ll definitely look at it, though maybe not rn because I’m it in the mood to dive this yet

[Gamma Emerald]

Keep in mind I also never finished reading the stuff before I replaced in, so I can do both simultaneously I think

[Gamma Emerald]

As for Pork, it's obvious he's town based on three things -- one, the simple fact that both NSG & Nos are strongly townreading him for meta reasons when at least one of those players is town (so they're telling the truth about his meta) or Pork is just town if both NSG/Nos are scum; two, the way that Pork interacted with Gammagooey on D1 just doesn't make much sense from a scum Gamma or scum Pork, as Gamma was pushing Pork's lynch (mislynch bait, remember?) and Pork jumped on Gamma for legitimate reasons; and three, NSG's point about the way Pork used his role, specifically that he created a neighborhood between three players and then scum killed one of them the next day (i.e. Creature). All of that points to Pork as town.

This seems fair tho

[Gamma Emerald]

Nos + Porkens scum

yikes my guy

Shoshin’s wall have me mulling this over if it’s any consolation

[Gamma Emerald]

Btw nos, input on the me+Shoshin+skitter thing that happened?

[Gamma Emerald]

Btw nos, input on the me+Shoshin+skitter thing that happened?

i dont see how it makes you town

its an interesting web of actions that i dont really think matters tbh

Why doesn’t it make me town? Idc about how you read me, just want your thought process

[Gamma Emerald]

That’s not the response I hoped for
Could you try thinking a bit more about the actions taken?

[Gamma Emerald]

did shoshin say what night she did the switcheroo on?

My assumption is last night based on what she posted d4

[Gamma Emerald]

I don’t know what would have happened, but everyone suspected me so it was smarter to keep me out of lylo

why didn't/don't you have this attitude here really?

Because there was second wind where people actually backed me up?

[Gamma Emerald]

Gacha vote: Porkens

This seems alright

[Gamma Emerald]

I think it’s probably correct

[Gamma Emerald]

Its been three days and she's posted elsewhere on site. If she doesnt post by like tomorrow, im prob just voting her

I don’t think this is exactly true
Where on-site has nsg posted?

[Gamma Emerald]

Seems more like a general siteflake tbh
I don’t like you trying to invoke Ellitell when it isn’t present