I should have sent this out like 10 days ago oops!
mastina wrote:Actually, will send that 14p now.
SERIAL KILLER:
1x Bulletproof JOAT (Commute, Ninja, Strongman)
(NOTE: NOT multitasking; cannot both commute and kill; bulletproof is passive rather than active, thus why it's listed separately from the joat abilities.)
Game due to mafia+sk is inherently swingy. Town has more numbers than would be expected (and there's less scum than would be expected), and all their investigatives are fairly weak; Loyal Visitor, even, requires one of the gated other investigatives in order to actually function as one.
Intuitively I feel like it loosely works out balance-wise, because while the town has incredibly limited resources and all antitown factions have a fair number of resources, the pseudomultiball nature of the game, smaller amount of scum, and larger number of town gives them fair compensation for their power roles being limited as they are.
If change does need to be made to the setup, I don't want to add a third mafiate and I don't want to leave the mafia defenseless and I don't want to leave the mafia with no ability to hunt sk/prs and I don't want to screw the serial killer over; for these reasons, if change is necessary to the setup, it'd be in revising the town's PRs, because any change I can think of to the mafia/sk would have one of those effects.
Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2018 6:46 pm
by RadiantCowbells
I agree that the solution is revising the town PRs and I think that town needs a buff.
What would you have in mind in terms of buffing town?
That may technically be normal, but feels like it may be a little on the extreme end of things.
In post 1, RadiantCowbells wrote:I agree that the solution is revising the town PRs and I think that town needs a buff.
What would you have in mind in terms of buffing town?
The most obvious immediate buff would be turning the Loyal Visitor into a Loyal Fruit Vendor; that turns it from a situational role to a near-universal role; short of failures due to blocking/commuting, a guilty is a guilty, and any innocent is a HARD innocent.
The tracker could also be made a full tracker rather than 2x.
If the problem isn't ENOUGH town power roles rather than the TYPE/INHERENT POWER of town power roles, an easy role to add to the town would be a Voyeur.
Alternatively, I could add a Roleblocker for killstopping power (though I'd shy away from an ungated roleblocker in a game where there's less scum than would be expected so blocking the kill becomes easy, so if so it'd be something like nonconsecutive).
Obviously, I wouldn't do ALL of those at once (Tracker, Doctor, Loyal Fruit Vendor, the JOAT, Voyeur, Nonconsecutive Roleblocker, is a hilariously broken townsided setup due to the multiple follow-the-cops and HIGH role synergy present), but those are the sorts of buffs I thought of immediately.
Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2018 8:00 pm
by RadiantCowbells
I'd pass it immediately with the loyal fruit vendor I think.
Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2018 8:03 pm
by RadiantCowbells
I also think it's the right change for a number of reasons related to role interactions
Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2018 8:07 pm
by RadiantCowbells
It does make hte game insanely swingy though
There's like two universes
One where everyone who gets fruit immediately outs with the fruit and they become cleared
One where D1 the guy with the fruit doesn't say shit about it until prompted then scum shoot the fruit vendor.
Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2018 8:51 pm
by RadiantCowbells
I'll pass with loyal fruit vendor and I think fruit vendor is actually the second best change behind changing some of the scum power which you don't want to do.
STILL AT WORK
IT'S A LITTLE DIFFICULT TO TYPE AND FORMAT OVER HALF A DOZEN ROLES AND SUCH WHILE ON A PHONE AND ONLY HAVING HALF HOUR INTERMITTENT BURSTS AT THAT
[area=1x Bulletproof Serial Killer JOAT]Welcome, [b]Playername[/b].
You are a [b][wiki=X-shot][color=purple]One-shot[/color][/wiki][color=purple]-[/color][wiki=Bulletproof][color=purple]Bulletproof[/color][/wiki] [wiki=Serial Killer][color=purple]Serial Killer[/color][/wiki] [wiki=JOAT][color=purple]Jack of All Trades[/color][/wiki][color=purple]([/color][wiki=Commuter][color=purple]Commute[/color][/wiki][color=purple], [/color][wiki=Strongman][color=purple]Strongman[/color][/wiki][color=purple], [/color][wiki=Ninja][color=purple]Ninja[/color][/wiki][color=purple])[/color][/b]
During the night, you may target a player. You will attempt to kill that player.
Once in the game, if you are nightkilled, you will be immune. You will not be informed when this immunity has been used.
During the night, you may use one of the following abilities. You may only use each ability once. [list][*][b]Commute:[/b] During the night, you will be immune to all actions. Note you may not use your nightkill if you are using this action.
[*][b]Strongman:[/b] During the night, you may attach the strongman modifier to your nightkill, ensuring it will not fail.
[*][b]Ninja:[/b] During the night, you may attach the ninja modifier to your nightkill, ensuring it is invisible.[/list]You win when only you are alive, or nothing can prevent this.
Please confirm in thread.[/area]
[area=Mafia Multitasking Rolecop]Welcome, [b]Playername[/b].
You are a [b][color=red]Mafia[/color] [wiki=Multitasking][color=red]Multitasking[/color][/wiki] [wiki=Rolecop][color=red]Rolecop[/color][/wiki][/b].
During the night, you may target a player. Should your action succeed, you will learn that player's role.
Your scumteam is [b]X[/b] ([color=red]Mafia[/color] [wiki=Multitasking][color=red]Multitasking[/color][/wiki] [wiki=Alien][color=red]Alien[/color][/wiki]).
You may talk in [url=link]this location[/url] at any time.
During the night, your faction may select a member of your team to target a player. That person will attempt to nightkill the target player. If you are performing the nightkill, you may both kill and action.
You win when all players not aligned with the mafia are dead, and at least one player aligned with the mafia is alive, or nothing can prevent this.
Please confirm in thread.[/area]
[area=Mafia Multitasking Alien]Welcome, [b]Playername[/b].
You are a [b][color=red]Mafia[/color] [wiki=Multitasking][color=red]Multitasking[/color][/wiki] [wiki=Alien][color=red]Alien[/color][/wiki][/b].
During the night, you may target a player. Should your action succeed, you will cause that player's night actions, if any, to fail; you will cause all actions targeting that player, if any, to fail.
Your scumteam is [b]X[/b] ([color=red]Mafia[/color] [wiki=Multitasking][color=red]Multitasking[/color][/wiki] [wiki=Rolecop][color=red]Rolecop[/color][/wiki]).
You may talk in [url=link]this location[/url] at any time.
During the night, your faction may select a member of your team to target a player. That person will attempt to nightkill the target player. If you are performing the nightkill, you may both kill and action.
You win when all players not aligned with the mafia are dead, and at least one player aligned with the mafia is alive, or nothing can prevent this.
Please confirm in thread.[/area]
[area=Town Two-shot Tracker]Welcome, [b]Playername[/b].
You are a [b][color=green]Town[/color] [wiki=X-shot][color=green]Two-shot[/color][/wiki][color=green]-[/color][wiki=Tracker][color=green]Tracker[/color][/wiki][/b].
During the night, you may target a player. You will receive results in the form of, "Playername visited [player(s)]", "Playername did not visit", or "No result". You may only use this action twice in the game.
You win when all threats to the town are dead, and at least one player aligned with the town is alive.
Please confirm in thread.[/area]
[area=Town Doctor]Welcome, [b]Playername[/b].
You are a [b][color=green]Town[/color] [wiki=Doctor][color=green]Doctor[/color][/wiki][/b].
During the night, you may target a player. Should your action succeed, you will protect them from a single attempt on their life that night.
You win when all threats to the town are dead, and at least one player aligned with the town is alive.
Please confirm in thread.[/area]
[area=Town Loyal Fruit Vendor]Welcome, [b]Playername[/b].
You are a [b][color=green]Town[/color] [wiki=Loyak][color=green]Loyal[/color][/wiki] [wiki=Fruit Vendor][color=green]Fruit Vendor[/color][/wiki][/b].
During the night, you may target a player. Should your action succeed, they will be informed "You have received a piece of fruit". Your action will only succeed on players sharing your alignment.
You win when all threats to the town are dead, and at least one player aligned with the town is alive.
Please confirm in thread.[/area]
[area=Town JOAT (Follower/Watcher/Motion Detector)]Welcome, [b]Playername[/b].
You are a [b][color=green]Town[/color] [wiki=JOAT][color=green]Jack of All Trades[/color][/wiki][color=green]([/color][wiki=Follower][color=green]Follower[/color][/wiki][color=green],[/color] [wiki=Watcher][color=green]Watcher[/color][/wiki][color=green],[/color] [wiki=Motion Detector][color=green]Motion Detector[/color][/wiki][color=green])[/color][/b].
During the night, you may use one of the following abilities. You may only use each ability once. [list][*][b]Follower:[/b] During the night, target a player. You will receive results in the form of: "Playername used [action(s)]", "Playername did not action", or "No result".
[*][b]Watcher:[/b] During the night, target a player. You will receive results in the form of: "Playername was targeted by [player(s)]", "Playername was not targeted", or "No result".
[*][b]Motion Detector:[/b] During the night, target a player. You will receive results in the form of: "You sensed motion!", "You did not sense motion", or "No result".[/list]You win when all threats to the town are dead, and at least one player aligned with the town is alive.
Please confirm in thread.[/area]
[area=Vanilla Townie]Welcome, [b]Playername[/b].
You are a [b][color=green]Vanilla Townie[/color][/b].
Your only powers are your voice and vote.
You win when all threats to the town are dead, and at least one player aligned with the town is alive.
Please confirm in thread.[/area]