Witches' Halloween Ball [Game Over]

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Oh dear

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Okay so a lot of what has made this setup so punishing for town in the past is that poor pairing choices have been made such that there aren't any groups that are clearly town because one obvtown player is matched with someone who is either scum or generally scummy enough that they end up getting the pair thrown out.

I'd like to avoid that this game so I understand a lot of people joined hoping to dance with their friends but I'd like to have some level of organization with how we pair people (as an example of bad pairings in my last iteration of the setup, Maria was obvobv town but got lynched anyway because Dunn was scummy) so let's hold off on immediately matchmaking and instead focus on generating reads like any other mafia game.

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Most importantly I'd like there two be at least two unquestionably TvT pairings that don't include me and I'd like to dance with ideally low priority nightkill town as well

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can you not run interference on me just this once

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m most likely never gonna be obvtown

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you are like the poster child ocf easy to read

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hi mala!

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i mean I misread you that one game because I figured you wouldn't deathtunnel me a second game in a row as town but that's 1 game ever

...okay I'm sure that was a very hard game to survive to endgame in, and I called you as scum in it on d1

notably i also though wis was scum but

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if you're town, sure! @Mala

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What part of let's not give early invitations is so confusing DVa?

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Yeah guys listen to RC he actually knows what the fuck he’s doing and he’s an IC

this post confuses me

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i'm not gonna pair with you unless i'm 100% sure you're town

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Slow the f down

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No pairings until 40 pages

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Is there a specific reason you chose to sexualise myself and LLD and no one else?

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Kokichi how do I read u

Always townread me. That way even if you're wrong you can say that you were tricked by the Ultimate liar and you won't feel as bad after

Ultimate liar

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I am very upset rc isn’t shooting the shit with me.

Rc is this how you stand a girl up?

Bro I want to win this game more than I want to pick a dance pair I'm happy with, particularly given that as conftown clearing my dance pair is easier than anyone elses

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No one has accepted a dance correct

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I think the process of my giving reads out will unduly affect the way that the scum team plays the game in ways that will prove beneficial to them. Obviously this needs to be counterbalanced with keeping game momentum up so I think I'll wait like until Monday evening and then start giving reads then we can collectively start making pairings when we're ready after then?

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@short historically scum have won a lot because they end up making pairings that are good for them

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Mememememe

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No u

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You didn't ask me to dance

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I mean I wouldn't say yes if you did

But you didn't ask me to dance

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'paranoia'

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Hey honeydunn what's your MariaR read

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It's always funny to me how my top scumread on D1 is always a universal townread (i feel like mentioning it's not LLD.)

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I think Dunn is a good towny boi

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Sry Dunn you're my top male townread so I'm gonna heavily micromanage your partner

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If we could male/male pair I could 100% win this game.right now

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Umm

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The drummer?

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Sakura how do you come in and say this shit and yet make 0 effort to not make my life a living hell when I get this to a level you aren't even close to?

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every recent game you've been obscene with paranoia scumreading my slot, maria's game and fallout most egregiously

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???

you in fallout dead thread: wow I regret paranoia scumreading you, you were right on everything, maybe I need to learn to not paranoia scumread RC
you in maria's game: mega paranoia scumread, 0 effort to engage with me, calling me out for stuff you know is NAI

maybe i'm not the one with a problem???

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my read changed because I put you in my second highest town bracket and you freaked out about it

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meh

always meant since the sakura second bracket thing

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i dunno dudette

for someone who is here bitching about being paranoia scumread you have shown shockingly little empathy to me being upset by it.

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-literally no pro-scum motivation
-trying to mislynch someone who i'm going to get immediately PLed if I mislynch her

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what i'm doing is pointing out the similarities between the way you feel and the way I felt

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ok?

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like i'm trying to establish a dialogue here about making you play differently with me in future games, i guess

no maria no one is paranoia scumreading you this game you are objectively scummy

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Sakura do you want to dance with me and just die after intermission

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this game is the coalition lite

set up 3 pairings with at most 1 scum and 2 pairings with absolutely 0 and win

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gonna wait to consult everyone else but i'm happy with that pairing

@maria why

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me/sakura conftown pairing is 1/3 of the way to a win
from there we need 1 more pairing that we're 100% sure contains 0 scum
then we need 1 pairning that has at most 1 scum to win

/shrug

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cakez is town most of the time but not 100% of it
sakura/cakez could be our third pairing but not our first or second.

Why does it always have to take me getting mad and frustrated to townread my towngames.

i had you as town from the get go

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i defended you in fallout long before you got stressed out


????


you could play the exact same game you've played here on any account and be scumread for it.

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doesn't matter

if you have

2 pairings of 2 town, the ic can be one
and 2 pairings of at least 1 town

the game is autowin

that's what i'm creating

rc/sakura is locktown
***/dva is locktown

have other townreads but that's where i'm starting off from

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Sc um waits until a momnet before deadline and pair with each other

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Sorry Sakura but I can't let Kokichi steal you.

I accept Sakura's dance invitation

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What's everyones Short reads?

Because that's my first impulse in terms of a DVa partner

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Admittedly I think I could be wrong on him

I felt so sure about my reads in this game but I've faded on most of my top town and scumreads

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rly not so confident about the universal cakez townread

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Honestly I could support DVa's intended Karmeleon pair

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and have that be our core four person townblock

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then we just need to get at least one town into two pairs of 2

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for the record, maria

i am not actually scumreading you

i just think that you've been objectively scummy

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btw this is super fuckin important

yall need to trust in the process 'cause the people solving this game are gonna be dead in late game

idc what happens don't start changing the lynch order when we've set the top 4 town pairings
lynch everyone outside of it then lynch in the order that we preselect

if you have a problem with the preselected order in the late game idc

sakura just conftowned
i dont think anyone disagrees with dva town

let's move from there

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ok here's the thing

you can either have

3 pairings with 0 scum in it

or 4 pairings with up to 2 scum in it

one condition is obviously far easier to achieve

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yup yup

just explaining it for the studio audience

ok then can you tier up the gentlemen from your perspective LLD

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I'm leaning more towards Short honeslty
It's a townread that I expect the game not to see eye to eye on but I'm really really sure of it

I'm not willing to accept Sakura as conftown because I don't accept anyone as conftown on phase 1 of a game unless it comes straight from the mod. But in my small amount of experience, the 4 times or so times I've seem people have a complete breakdown about being scumread, they've always flipped town so I am inclined to agree to a degree.

i basically never fuck up on strong townreads

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short being so low is pretty surprising

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dunn is in my shortlist of DVa partners rn and you don't like my other contenders

maria/cakes is fine as a pairing to me but moreso because i'm not especially sure either are town

think sircakez got a lot of really easy townreads

notably i do think maria is town but i think it will be impossible to convince town to put her in a top 4 pairing

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?

she is objectively scummy

and forcing through reads that aren't consensus makes it easy for scum to convince town to derail from the winning lynch order

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kokichi hasn't done anything to deserve that townread either
aorn i think there's almost no chance I go for a pairing for DVA outside of {gamma/short/kameleon/dunn}

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i think about non-me 9 people in this game are more likely than not town

i'm not going to elect someone to top 4 unless i'm damn sure and i'm closer to damn sure on those 4 than anyone else.

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i don't bring people to top 4 on 'town from circumstance'

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they're not inherently scummier than kokichi.

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i'm not actually particularly sure that karmeleon is town as much as i think i can get to that point if the game continues
(i would take it as a scumclaim if karmeleon accepted the poorly considered invite now)

gamma/short/dunn i have damn good reasons to tr

kokichi's just meh

keep in mind

3 100% towns
everyone left only has 21% odds of being scum

we can win this from there most of the time just by randomly selecting people and calling them town

this isn't about winning most of the time this is about winning this 100% of the time from here, that's what i'm looking for and i will accept nothing less.

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like maria says dumb stuff like that it's nai

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Oh yeah gamma too is actually more of a "there are a shit load of people in this game who can read him and maybe he'll get locktowned by all of them and be cleared"

but short/dunn good stuffs.

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if i had to right now pick a partner it's short, i have really good feels about so much

I myself had a moment where I forgot how many scum were in the setup. I corrected myself 10 seconds later but I did. I don't think it's so impossible as people say. We're not perfect human beings who have everything edged into our brains. Forgetting stuff like that isn't shocking.

i forgot there was no daytalk in the recently finished diffusion of power, ask gamma about it
i meant to say firebringer says dumb stuff ftr

RC/Sakura
DVA/Short

is super pleasing to me, yes

the rest i'm still like really uncertain about

Why are you being a dick for the sake of being a dick rn. It's not needed at all stop.

pls

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reading lynchbait is one of my strongest claims to fame as a player ftr, short is ticking a shitload of town boxes

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hey dva what are your thoughts on short

do you understand why i'm hard town on him

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i rly like brian skies

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Ah okay i've spent too much time looking at the thread and now everything is stopping making sense for me
I will stick with my top 3 and not do much further
brian is also a pairing for dva that i'd be willing to consider but I want to more closely meta

trying to decide where my reads on the women actually stand

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but yea i need a break

when i try to spend too long on a game i end up forcing reads and overthinking things and making errors

too much consecutive time here.

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Short I mostly like for town. The only post I didn't like was when he said he was hard reading the wiki. I feel like newscum reads the wiki more than newgreen but that's... not a very strong tendency or at all reliable. He's still pretty town aside from that

I'm not sure our PT would be that exciting, I'd probably ignore it and keep everything in thread, which might be for the best anyway.

I mean that's what would happen with karmy anyway probably since he said he doesn't prefer the PT either.

for the record my intent is that by the time we have PTs it's all a series of organized withdrawals and lynches

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There's no one really worthy of DVa right now

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I townread you if it helps Mala but there's a lot of rly towny girls this game

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No one needs to pair with you yet

Wait how much time do we have

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No one needs to pair with you yet

Wait how much time do we have

tbh we could wait until the deadline runs out and everybody but you and Sakura would leave the dance

Again, scum would pair last minute

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Besides just on principle I don't really want to have missing pairs

I want to set up 8 pairings then Lynch from the bottom

@gentlemen can I get some reads on the womenfolk please

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There's 0 point to playing the set up if all we were gonna do is pair a towny IC with an obv town and just go "hey guys let's just wait until deadline." Like why would you even play this if you were trying to do that strat.

Tbf if this would actually work I'd do it : shrug:

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We'd need 3 lock TvT pairs to wait for night

It's actually easier to just pair everyone and Lynch up

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The game isn't broken though

It requires 4 conftown out of 17 that have to be opposite genders and another 4 players with at least two town. Mathematically particularly given the inconvenience of no same gendered pairs this isn't much easier of a window than most games.

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I am going to die regardless of who I choose if they're town and if I pair with scum I make the game a lot harder for town.

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There's no gentleman I'd be willing to trust to pair with DVA right now

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R e a s o n s please

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DVA is looking for long term companionship here people

Put your best foot forward!

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Chibibear is a hard townread for me btw and is probably in category 3 or 4

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Like chibi is never scum

If we could pair chibi dva we would win

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Short is currently top contender for DVA pair since he's my top male TR
Chibi being paired with scum is non game losing so we can take a less guaranteed townread

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Maria u agree chibi hard town?

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Actually eh I'm not so sure Chibi is town

More about Mala atm

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Definitely a townread

Not literally 100% mod conftown

IDC I know short is town and I haven't even bothered to read LLD because it seems pointless with all my hard female townreads

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I'm rly wary of.putting Maria in a 3 or 4 pairing because it would be really easy for power scum to get her mislynched instead of their SvS pairing

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I totally forgot moment existed tbh

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Do you think that I can't townread you for you @Chibi

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There will be no nailing of top females this is just a dance...

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Well okay then DVa

If you want to get that intimate with your partner I wouldn't dream of telling you who to pair with

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DVA what's your current reads ranking

And Brian Skies kinda has a point that optimal would be to do only 4 pairings

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If I wanted the absolute Max winrate here we'd only have four pairings made to prevent scum from trying to derail the plan later

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Sakura still short?

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I'm v good with short good with Brian Skies maaaybe persuadable karmeleon

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No chibi is towny we're not wasting her

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Still short for ideal partner for DVa

you agree she's locktown right?

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dva are you an alt?

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pretty sure the people scumreading shortaru are just bad.

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i'm having second thoughts about dva and its making me sad

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doesn't feel like nayone's contesting the game from scum side

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Like

chibibear is ultrahardtown for me as well

I kind of want to put chibibear as #2 girl and DVa as #3

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chibi short maybe? @_@

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RC/Sakura
Chibi/Short
DVa/Dunnstral
??? / ???

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DVA where were you at on Dunn again?

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Sakura
Chibi
Mala
Maria
DVA

Moment

Firebringer
LLD
Princess

vs

RC

Short
Karmeleon

Dunn
Gamma
Brian

Others

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categories are indistinguishable

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If you don't mind being shunted to category 4 you can pair Karmy

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eh

i kinda want to replace you with chibi/short in cat 2 either way

so

RC/Sakura
Chibibear/Shortaru
Mala-Moment-Maria-DVA/ some other guys

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Maybe I should just dictator mode and put Mala as tier 1 townread since I am like super sure she's town but I'm worried taht would make it easy for power scum to mislynch her down the line and bring down the townblock

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I mean. she's town. it's just that if LLD is scum she can probably ML Mala and throw the whole thing into whack

I’m noticing RC is changing reads a lot and it’s giving me a headache
Any other game I’d just deal with it but because of the setup it’s agonizing
We can’t form a solid plan if you’re changing your opinion every post

My reads have actually changed astonishingly little

What has changed is who I think is slightly more towny than others

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Aight aight

If you want me to dictate a final order and not have interaction with it that's fine, I'll take my pairings outside of thread and come back in a few hours with final pairings

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Maria if I put you in townblock will you tryhard to prevent yourself being mislynched down the line?

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Dunn, maria read?

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Sakura I danced with you so you'd feel safe from all the scumreads just ignore them

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people are really fucking awful about how they approach people that they can't read, scumreading them no matter what they do if they're town and have to legitimately scumhunt, and it ruins mafia.

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i dunno there was a time where being good at mafia got me some level of respect for it, now everyone's trying to stick a feather in their cap by lynching me as scum and they're willing to ruin every single town game I play to get it.

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i feel like if you scumread me every single game you're really not trying.

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i didn't say you were bad at mafia.

i said i think that your manner of dealing with me is the same kind of shit you hate from everyone else.

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most people think they're trying, very few have the self awareness to actually examine their thought processes wrt their read on me and decide if they're actually justifiable

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like

that

huh.

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the difference between me and you, maria, besides the fact that I have it far, far, far worse than you have ever had it

is that I haven't given up trying to enjoy my town games.

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it's a statement of fact. most people find something to latch on to when i'm town and then knee jerk call me scum and keep the part of them saying that 'you have to lynch me or you will lose!' or 'if you lynch scum RC people will think you are god' in the back of their mind and convince themselves that that's not what they're going off of, that this specific thing that they latched onto as justification is the reason they scumread me. that's not how human's minds work. people define their principles by their actions, they don't define their actions by their principles. random person #4 decided that I was scum for whatever internal bullshit reason they had then created a narrative to justify that, that's how people scumhunt.

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the difference between me and you, maria, besides the fact that I have it far, far, far worse than you have ever had it

is that I haven't given up trying to enjoy my town games.

I enjoy my town games a lot don't know where you got this from!

you wouldn't if you were me

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at least with, say, ruru I can just openly say go fuck yourself if she openly says to policy lynch me on D1 but that's not most people, most people tell themselves they're doing the right thing.
but whatever internal monologue tells you that you're treating my slot fairly doesn't change the fact that if I don't have the freedom to cater my play to other's reads (aka I am not scum) I will be scumread and if I don't make it an awful experience to try to lynch me I will get systematically lynched in every game I play.

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Chibi can you not leave with Short because I asked you not to regardless of what anyone asks you to do for the remainder of the game?

this question's important

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kk

rchana
chibishort
still deciding on the other pairings

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I hate this game now tbh.

I'm usually all about winning but like, even if town wins at this point there's really no enjoyment in it for me.

I'm so frustrated that the person who got IC is someone who is completely fucking unreasonable and hates me, so he's just straight up never going to give me a chance to play this fucking game. I'm gonna be some kind of PoE mislynch down the fucking line and maybe we win anyway but there's no fucking fun in it.

I am neither completely fucking unreasonable nor do I hate you. I've attempted to gather input and the general consensus has been 'omg why are you not dictating instead of discussing'
i'm concerned that you're scum based on a few of your posts so I'm not going to autolock your pairings and I've felt like you've been attempting to set up your own counter townblock with some of your pairings with which you were going to attempt to convince town to lynch the original locktown pairings so I kinda just want you dead now, yeah

both of your hard townreads on maria and brian skies are people i want to put somewhere in the townpool (well brian skies maybe not because he refuses to pair)

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At this point I kind of hope I'm right about Short and Karmeleon

see this reads to me as you setting up for a future reversal and an attempt, after i'm gone, to convince town to alter the course of the game. and I don't like it.
i'll listen to your reads and I have listened to your reads but I'm not giving you any leverage to change the overall course of the game

I'm so fucking out of patience with this game. I've tried extra fucking hard to be nice and calm and like try to work with the townie person and it's just like my reads go in one ear and out the other with this dude so whatever.

ok

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ok

don't pair LLD

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LLD is now 100% scum. she is probably going to get a buddy to pair with her.

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I'm the best!

@Brian would you mind accepting the offer then immediately leaving the dance as you intended earlier?

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Actually retract that just don't

Just ignore LLD let's skip straight to 14p.

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Nah just don't accept the invite.

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Chibi I need you to trust me, no matter what anyone says, don't bail on short please. ask him to a dance ty

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I refused to read LLD because I can't read her unless she AtEs. Now that she has AtEd I know that she's scum. Just efficiently remove her from the game.

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RC I think you need to take a step back from the game for a while

I don't?

I just need LLD to die.

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Chibi trust me just ask Short to dance and Short accept, you're both town I promise you.

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If Gamma pairs LLD he's scumclaiming

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it's really not just stop I instalocked LLD scum in TM when she ated because I can read her ate.
I stepped out on her in the previous version of this setup because she refused to work with me, I hadn't developed a read in one of our other games and in the other I told my hydra she was locktown on d1.

i can read her perfectly fine. i can tell the difference between salty town LLD who is being a fuck for the sake of it and scum LLD and this is the latter.

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If you insist on me pairing with Short then I will obviously have to do it eventually anyway since the majority are agreeing to follow your lead.

I don't have anyone I trust as much as either of the two of you.

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throw him to the floor

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BWIAN EH

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Also why does every game have to be so angry

lld has to make it angry to win

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<3 DVA

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Should I dance with dunn?

Yes

Rc is this still where you're at?

gimme a sec to think about the pairings

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he's obvtown you just don't want him to be because you need to lynch part of the townblock

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if you pair dunn i probably can't put you in townblock maria

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This thread just exploded.
Well i was sus of LLD so this is fine for me.

tbh I always was

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maria is scum now too!

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This thread just exploded.
Well i was sus of LLD so this is fine for me.

tbh I always was

Oh this was the secret univerally townread, scum you were talking about?

no actually
they didn't exist

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i just wanted to see who would react scummy to it and sircakez reacted scummy to it i think

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am I?

i'm not even trying to scumhunt i think its a bad idea to scumhunt in this setup i'm trying to townhunt.

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Brian I kinda want you to be in the townblock if that's okay with you.

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(hey look I'm following a read that LLD had!)

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Technically you never were, Sakura was

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In fact let's make this even harder for scum LLD if she survives the initial day phase

If we pair Brian with Chibi as the #2 group then LLD can't push that group without obviously 180ing on her reads
THen we can do Short + DVA as originally intended in group #3

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I mean, I hate suicides but at the same time LLD is just sowing chaos.

And why should I die?

I think u should dance with maria if thats ok with u

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like not as a locktown pairing tbh just as you should dance together

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So

RC/Sakura
>
BrianSkies/Chibi
>
Short/DVA
>
currently unsetup pairing

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i vote we exclude LLD so that if she flips town we have a day phase to see if we want to seriously reevaluate any of our other reads based on her flipping town.

[RadiantCowbells]

dw you're still my side chick
or i guess chibi would be my side chick, you're like my side side chick
which is still pretty good, right?

i vote we exclude LLD so that if she flips town we have a day phase to see if we want to seriously reevaluate any of our other reads based on her flipping town.

no it means i'm so confident in my read on you that if it's incorrect then it means that I need to worry about my other reads, so the exact opposite of what you said.

[RadiantCowbells]

rekt

[RadiantCowbells]

Kokichi Oma
SirCakez
Karmeleon

Moment
Malakittens
Princess Celestia
Lady Lambdadelta are our remainders

[RadiantCowbells]

I paired you with firebringer because you wanted it lol

[RadiantCowbells]

i'm not actually micromanaging dating arrangements in the scumpool

[RadiantCowbells]

DVa keep in mind as a tier 3 player it doesn't matter his alignment
if you're town it's already good enough, him being scum doesn't even matter anymore

[RadiantCowbells]

part of why I'm shipping you two is your reluctance to be paired with him, it makes me fairly sure that you're not both scum together which makes you a very easy slot in for a set 3

[RadiantCowbells]

No, I'm just not comfortable with Dunn in the townblock

[RadiantCowbells]

i think maria is tier 4 girl

[RadiantCowbells]

DVA short being scum literally doesn't matter
you can walk out on him in 4 way and win

[RadiantCowbells]

So is this like lock for you now?

Is what?

[RadiantCowbells]

Just leave LLD out imo

[RadiantCowbells]

Ok DVA

so would you rather be paired with brian skies and make Short autowin the game if he's scum?

[RadiantCowbells]

i'm not a fan of that :c

[RadiantCowbells]

Like the top 4 are pretty locked

If you want to be tier 3 with BrianSkies because you trust Short I'm ok with that because I think you're all town but I think that DVA/Short Tier 3 wins the game the most often

[RadiantCowbells]

Sorry I'm not actually totally keeping up with your logic

So if I don't pair with short he goes to tier 2 with chibi and autowins is what you're saying?

because tbh I guess I'd rather Brian be t2

but I have a hard time following because I thought you were saying short/chibi and then me/dunn vs. me/brian vs. me/karmy

so if I accept short then brian is in t2 with chibi?

yes

[RadiantCowbells]

your choice between

RC/Sakura
BrianSkies/Chibi
Shortaru/DVa

and

RC/Sakura
Shortaru/Chibi
BrianSkies/DVa

[RadiantCowbells]

Honestly, I'm just like... >< this close to simply replacing it because the way DVa talks about me is pretty shitty.

No ily pls stay <3

[RadiantCowbells]

The game's almost over for the record

[RadiantCowbells]

Chibi would you ask BrianSkies to dance?
BrianSkies would you be willing to accept?

I'm not comfortable with brian skies up there

why and who would you replace them with

I'm not comfortable with brian skies up there

I am no less comfortable with brian skies

[RadiantCowbells]

I don't think scum Sakura opens the game saying she doesn't expect to be in a T-T pair and then picks Kokichi to the dance (and Kokichi getting stood up in a previous dance, or claiming to, does play a factor into my read here). I think Sakura mostly didn't want to get left out, and her outburst yelling at Kokichi not to accept her invitation so she can die without even trying for a different dance partner further makes me think this. I haven't really thought much deeper than this other than just not seeing scum motivation in her actions thus far (and I've indicated this on at least one occasion this game).

661 is my direct response to the question Sakura posed in 660, to which RC actually explained in 662.

I didn't include Sakura in my readslist beacuse I don't think she's scum and even if she is, I consider it RC's problem now. Like, her goal this game has been what, to not get excluded and not even try for an endgame pairing? Why would I think this is scum?

Right now, the goal should be making other T-T pairs. I've been withholding a lot of my thoughts because I have no intention of even accepting a dance partner (unless RC just really really wants a specific flip to comment on before scum potentially nightkill him). Also, in my opinion, RC should figure out what his most towniest second T-T pairing is (which is the one he's working on right now) and then work with said pair to set the game up in a way that best suits whichever of the two pairs doesn't get nightkilled.

Regarding Kokichi, the reason I don't think he's scum is that I felt he was a little enthused to see Sakura ask him to the dance, and I feel like my explanation to him regarding her proposal may have taken some of the wind out of his sails. Of course, I have since realized that it's possible he's scum here who wanted to shoot down the Sakura invitation so he could get a better endgame pairing, but I just don't really think that's the case.

this is i think an 100% locktown post

[RadiantCowbells]

or is it? ick.

maybe we should pair brian skies/dva?

AAAAAAAAAAAAA THIS GAME IS SPOOKY

[RadiantCowbells]

lel

nah he's town.

I do this thing where i suddenly paranoia and overthink stuff if I look at something too long. bskies is town.

[RadiantCowbells]

Be nice to each other <3

[RadiantCowbells]

I am really sorry if that hurts your enjoyment of the game DVA. I did offer for you to be with BS

[RadiantCowbells]

shorts hard hard town

and yeah you being with brian skies would have served both purposes to me

<3

[RadiantCowbells]

I think for brian skies to have pulled off the 'yeah just pair me with scum to not play the game' as genuinely as he has he'd have to be a lot better of a scum player than I believe that he is, ftr

Brian I was confident on but I feel like he's unreliable

Brian was available though

[RadiantCowbells]

I live in Ithasa.