Micro 831: Great Idea Mafia (Game Over)

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Hi people! This is my first game of GIM. Is the start always this... insane? I'm

entirely

unsure how seriously to take anything that went down in the last page and a bit.

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As for the TCCK,

surely

it's not nearly so negative utility as to be a policy lynch? I can't be bothered to look up the stats, but the odds of an innocent child even existing aren't exactly high.

Hello little kitty cat, what brings ya round here? As for what’s been happenin’, this is honestly a tame start compared to some of the more complex iteration of this setup.

Well, I'm happy it's not a more complex setup then, I guess. My heart can only take so much excitement.

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Am I the only one that never thought the Compulsive Child Killer would just dayvig anyone that

claims

? That'd be absurd, we'd basically have infinite dayvigs. That'd completely break the balance of th- oh, right, balance doesn't matter in GIM.

Regarding this:

I so hope that's a truthful claim.

I can definitely see myself enjoying some spiteful glee in shortaru's situation, as town. You just claimed your role to warn people, and then someone immediately does the thing you just said not to do? It's like watching someone push on a pull door, it's hilarious. (That's all assuming that claim was real, obviously, and we didn't know it wasn't at the time of this post.)

And yeah, Gamma, nobody wants measles, you

palooka

.

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Gamma has a writing style. I don't remember gamma having a writing style. This feels genuinely paranoid, though:

Quick question, what does this mean? Does Gamma usually write less fluidly?

As for my reads... I think being away from this forum for a while has softened me up, nobody is screaming "scum" to me. Certain people seem a bit too friendly, but I'm not going to be the one to say "how dare you be friendly to me you must be buddying up to the bad/new player".

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Let me throw out my thoughts in semi-stream-consciousness style.

Shortaru

is screaming town in my face. This is based on what the way he claimed, and just a general feeling that his mindset matches the mindset I feel like I'd have in his situation.

Gamma

is confusing the heck out of me with the post restriction nonsense. I don't have anything more to say about that.

Micc

doesn't know which direction to scum hunt in and gosh, do I feel the same. I don't know how much to read into that.

Maru

I just don't understand.

Bob

had that cool gambit thing on the first page. I'd definitely do that as any role, if I thought about it, it seems fun.

Who the heck is

Jay

?

Tazaro

has

been dull, though I wouldn't call 'dull' alignment indicative. A few comments feel town to me, but aside from that, no idea.

If you get the impression that nobody feels like scum so I'm town-hunting, then you have accurately figured out my feelings towards this game.

Why Mister Simeon I indeed have played with some of the people in this here playerlist. Only Maruchan and ya, but Mister Bob has modded a game fa me in the past.

This isn't a read, but I just realized this 'fa' was supposed to be a 'for' with an accent, and not a typo.

If you help me lynch him now and he flips red, I don't have to wonder if you're bussing.

Do you think I'm scum?

I'm batting around the possibility of distancing.

It's not like your push will put him in any danger of being lynched as it stands.

Why are you looking for associative tells without a flip? It's almost always a waste of time, but in this setup we don't even know if there are two scum on the same team.

Do you think this is indicative of shortaru having any knowledge he shouldn't have, as town?

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@Kitten no thoughts on me?

I kind of momentarily forgot you were in the game, even while responding to one of your posts on Tazaro. I'm a bit of an idiot.

That being said, no, actually, I don't see anything alignment indicative in your posts so far.

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kitten what about me confuses you, maybe i can clarify your confusion?

I don't mean to be rude, but so far your posts have been extremely aggressive. I've seen that style of play start page-long arguments, both from townies and from scum, and I don't really know how to read it. I'm hoping someone else will figure you out, or you'll be nightkilled and I won't have to worry about it.

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I too am pretty AF irl. Glad I'm in good company.

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VOTE: Tazaro
I’m feelin’ mighty swell with this vote.

I believe this is L-1.

Any chance you want to wait a few minutes while I read back on what on earth happened that someone is getting lynched?

PEDIT: Oh, well, apparently you are. Great.

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I already said I am not good at guessing scum.
If a hammer comes then too bad for however
hammers because I am supersaint btw.

Well, I guess this makes the "I'm gonna hammer you" thing make more sense. I thought for a moment the world had gone mad.

One question, do I not understand how supersaint works? Does it only kill the person that hammers? I was under the impression it gets to choose. Unless this is Tazaro saying he's planning to kill whoever hammers, which is a very different thing.

(Note to self: Consider Kittenlicks if Gamma flips scum)

To be clear, the "can you wait a few minutes" thing was directed at you, not Gamma, because you were the one that said you were hammering. I was in a teensy bit of a hurry when posting, because I thought a hammer was about to happen.

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I was planning to claim today anyway, if only because I am absolutely

filled

with salt.

I'm a Town FBI Agent, and I checked Gamma, with the logic that getting a result of "Serial Killer" confirms Gamma as not an Alien, Werewolf or Mafia, which is way more useful than just knowing someone isn't an SK. I was feeling ever so clever with myself, until some

jerk

went and killed him, ruining everything.

I'd give you reads, but every single person I had anything close to a solid read on went and died. So, taking a deep breath and starting again: Hi people, which of you are scum?

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I'm leaning toward KittenLicks reaction to the lynch being a possible partner.
I have to get up early in the morning and can't do much except run the workshop all day, so hoping to see some discussion on this by the time I'm back.

If you're referring to my reaction to Tazaro being taken to L-1 the first time, then yeah, that looks pretty bad, now that we know Taz was a werewolf. Especially given how the other FBI agent card is a werewolf, I'd probably be suspecting myself in your position.

I feel really directionless regarding reads right now, if I'm honest. It's really hard to think "what would scum be trying to do here" without any idea of how many scum there, or if Taz even HAD a partner.

Some facts, regarding interactions:
Simeon cannot be a Werewolf or Alien, due to the only other card being a Mafia Fruit vendor. So Taz/Simeon interactions aren't worth looking into.
Davesaz is extremely unlikely to be Taz's partner, given Taz forgot Dave's predecessor existed.

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I'd rather have a full massclaim than what we have now. Kitten, you can appoint the next person to claim.

It seems more people than I thought want the massclaim to actually happen, so sure, then I choose Micc.

Speaking of which, we haven't discussed this (possibly because people are taking strategy as something everyone knows) but

should

we actually lynch today? If we knew we were at 2 scum vs 4 townies it'd be obvious not to lynch, right? Or are we scared of the possibility of two kills?

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I’m a psychiatrist and I targeted gamma emerald. Maruchan next.

Why did you choose Gamma?

And good lord, if there's an SK out there, they must be sweating bullets right now.

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can someone compile a list of the current claims? I'm unsure who all claimed

These are my claim notes, I don't think I'm missing anyone.

Maruchan -

Seer

Micc -

Psychiatrist

Simeon -

fruit vendor

davesaz -
Bicephalous Bob -

And I claimed

FBI Agent

.

Speaking of which, what was your plan, going into last night? Why Micc?

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I know people say that setup spec is a scummy thing to do, but frankly, this setup is confusing and I don't think we're all on the same page as to how it works. I think, at this moment, it is better to get some facts out, so we don't argue in circles.

What we

know

:

• There are at least 4 town. Currently, this means at least 2 of the 6 living players are town.
  There are no Replicants, but there may be Aliens.
  Aliens only get one night kill
  per game
  .
  All the rolecards seem to say "May kill one person each night". The "may" seems to imply that it is not compulsive, so a Serial Killer or Mafia may have chosen to simply not kill last night. I think this would be an odd decision, given a werewolf died, but it's possible.

Looking at these facts, there are a few ways there could be two kills tonight. There could be an Alien Kill. And there's a Mafia dayvig on that list.

That being said, we're all worried about lylo and mylo, where for all we know, we might be outnumbered already, and the only reason we're afloat is that the scumteams don't know that yet. I've kind of changed my mind, I think we should lynch today.

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I think Simeon is making a really good point here. If you go into night thinking "I need to find a werewolf, if there is one" your first choice really shouldn't be "the people that just lynched a werewolf".

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Town is probably weak in this game, with two somewhat believable claimed neg utils. In any case, scum should hunt for scum with their nightkill in this setup (if you don't believe me, look at old runs and check the strategy of winning scum teams)

Bob's claim kind of checks out, given he said this on Day 1. Not to mention, we're all worrying about if we should lynch someone or not today, and I think it'd be a little suicidal as scum to say "Hey I'm a Tree stump" in that atmosphere. What if we just decide to try to force him to stump himself? Bob is either Town, or has the bravery of a lion. A very negative utility lion.

People I don't want to lynch today:
Bob
Simeon

I don't think I have a preference in the remaining 3. I don't like the night logic by Maru, but... given Maru's general lack of effort in this game I don't know if I'm willing to point to that as scummy. I

can

see Maru just picking someone at random, as a town seer.

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I've been shut up tho because I have no idea where to go on who's scum and my gut says not to go lynch maru because he's lynchbait

I'm glad I'm not the only one thinking that. The problem is that I don't really see any conceivable way to figure out who

actual

scum is, if Maru isn't.

Though I guess, if I'm excluding Maru, Bob and Simeon, that only leaves Micc and dave. I'm going to feel like an utter moron if Maru is scum, though.

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I see where you guys are coming from with respect to Maruchan being possible lynchbait. But I’ve made a pretty reasonable attempt to engage him over this entire day 2 and he clearly doesn’t anything to do with it. We lynched Tazaro for similar things and he also looked like lynchbait, but that worked ok. /shrug.

KittenLicks, care to expand on your Bob/Simeon town reads?

My Bob read isn't really anything more than I really don't think scum would claim Treestump, in the middle of a discussion of "do we lynch or not lynch here", just because the obvious solution to that problem is "oh good let's try to force the treestump to stump himself". It just sounds like a bit of a stupid risk to take, if you don't have to.

I was originally against a Simeon lynch due to being provably a fruit vendor, but I double checked the cards and, at least, mathematically, being a fruit vendor makes you more likely to be non-town, not less. So oops, my bad there. I will say that Simeon was a large part of the Taz lynch, so that speaks to his scumhunting abilities, if not his alignment.

I see where you guys are coming from with respect to Maruchan being possible lynchbait. But I’ve made a pretty reasonable attempt to engage him over this entire day 2 and he clearly doesn’t anything to do with it. We lynched Tazaro for similar things and he also looked like lynchbait, but that worked ok. /shrug.

I suppose this is fair. Unless something else comes up, I support a lynch of Maru. Very tentatively.

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I agree Simeon's involvement in Taz lynch is a good indication he's not a werewolf because it didn't look like busing. But we already know that he's either Town or Mafia because those are the only fruit vendors. I don't think him leading the wagon is a good thing to be basing a read off here.

Oh, no, I'm not basing a read off of it. I'm just mentioning it as a sidenote. Like I said in the post, it speaks to his scumhunting abilities,

if not his alignment.

How would we force him to stump himself exactly?

I was referring to the breaking strategy mentioned in Treestump.

To that end, one form of breaking strategy in games where every player can become a Tree Stump is to simply force people to Stump themselves when they would otherwise be lynched. As Stumping does not end the Day, the Town thus gets pseudo-infinite lynching potential.

I'm a treestump

the vote resets if I stump myself, but the deadline continues as normal, in case anyone finds a way to use this in a breaking strategy

Bob himself alluded to it, when he claimed, so he quite clearly knew about it. He's essentually saying "Hey Town, you can have two lynches today, if one of them is me." and sure, that could be WIFOM, but it doesn't feel like it to me.

I think Simeon is making a really good point here. If you go into night thinking "I need to find a werewolf, if there is one" your first choice really shouldn't be "the people that just lynched a werewolf".

I also agree with this point, and I'm not sure what was seen after this point to mitigate it.

Nothing was seen after this to mitigate it. Maru felt like lynchbait then as much as now.

Have you seen town roles that have a night action being this apathetic before?

I don't think I've played long enough to give an accurate answer to this. That being said, Maru probably has

some

night action, even if they're scum. In fact, scum has a night action AND a kill. I'm pretty sure Maru is just disengaged with the game in general, not for any role reasons.

Are the points in the two posts I quoted your sole reason for TR's on them, or do you have something else?

That's it on my town read on Bob, and I didn't really have a 'read' on Simeon so much as a miscalculation regarding the fruit vendor thing. If you want to scumread me for not having many reads, go ahead. This game is hard, I'm not sure on anything, and I'm not going to push or defend someone I'm not fairly certain sure on.

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