Micro 831: Great Idea Mafia (Game Over)

[shortaru]

PSA: I'm a Town Compulsive Child Killer.

VOTE: Maruchan

[shortaru]

I so hope that's a truthful claim.

[shortaru]

Guys this game is usually a lot easier if you roll good roles not negative utility.

VOTE: shortaru

Not like we have a choice.

[shortaru]

I'm starting to think I misjudged that situation

If the mod confirms your claim, you totally misjudged that situation.

[shortaru]

Seems we got a lot of early claims, youse guys tryna imitate me?
Also Mister Micc, unfortunately no one had any permission to select the roles they were given. Not sure if I like the antagonism you’re throwing down, see

Do you think it's scum motivated or anti-town?

[shortaru]

the child and killer stuff doesn't seem to be totally serious

My claim was serious.

[shortaru]

Oi Tazaro, I mentioned sending antagonism, what’s your response?
As fa Mister Shortaru’s question, I dont get what you’re asking about there, buddy

You don't know the difference between scummy & anti-town?

[shortaru]

Guys this game is usually a lot easier if you roll good roles not negative utility.

VOTE: shortaru

Not antagonism i.m.o., just kind of policy-lynchey

saying that if shortaru is compulsive killer of the young, then that is a policy lynch worthy role.

No it's not.

There are ways to work around the negative utility without triggering the kill, which is why I claimed it immediately.

[shortaru]

Guys this game is usually a lot easier if you roll good roles not negative utility.

VOTE: shortaru

Not antagonism i.m.o., just kind of policy-lynchey

saying that if shortaru is compulsive killer of the young, then that is a policy lynch worthy role.

Just a note: my meaning was that that was my interpretation of what Micc was saying, not an avowal of what I was saying.

So you're saying a list mod would not know that it's possible to bypass the negative utility of a CCK?

[shortaru]

the real questions is why he voted for you, shortaru, if not because of the negative utility, then?

RVS, perhaps?

[shortaru]

Oi Tazaro, I mentioned sending antagonism, what’s your response?
As fa Mister Shortaru’s question, I dont get what you’re asking about there, buddy

You don't know the difference between scummy & anti-town?

I do know the difference, ya little palooka. It’s just I don’t know what part of the statement you’re askin’ that about, see?

Do you think Micc is being scummy or anti-town?

[shortaru]

I don’t think Micc’s antagonism is really either fa now.

Them what is up with

Also Mister Micc, unfortunately no one had any permission to select the roles they were given. Not sure if I like the antagonism you’re throwing down, see

If it's neither scummy nor anti-town, why do you care?

[shortaru]

I don’t think Micc’s antagonism is really either fa now.

Them what is up with

Also Mister Micc, unfortunately no one had any permission to select the roles they were given. Not sure if I like the antagonism you’re throwing down, see

If it's neither scummy nor anti-town, why do you care?

Well I took it kinda personal cuz I myself have a negative utility role, see?

Is this a #metoo moment?

[shortaru]

Nevermind, you claimed first. I thought somebody else had that role.

[shortaru]

I'm not a fan of Tazaro, ATM.

Not enough suspicion for a serious vote yet, though.

[shortaru]

if we see an UNCLAIMED innocent child flip, as well as a second flip at night, it goes a decent way to clearing him.

FYI, my role specifies that I immediately dayvig innocent child claims.

[shortaru]

predit: you might want to read it again. that's not how compulsive child killer is meant to work afaik

Reread it. It paraphrases what the wiki says about compulsive child killer mechanics.

In other words, day kill.

[shortaru]

And post 8 pretty antitown in mindset.

Doesn't make it a scum mindset.

I outed my role to protect the IC. If they're going to be dumb enough to claim on page 1, they deserve to be killed.

[shortaru]

does your role PM indicate how people fake revealing as IC are handled? 45 seems to indicate you would still day vig them.

It does not, but that's a strange assumption.

[shortaru]

It's unlikely an IC is in the game, but if you're worried about that: shortaru, can you post

kill: shortaru

in-thread?

kill: shortaru

And if self-vig is not allowed:

kill: Bicephelous Bob

Anymore questions?

[shortaru]

It's unlikely an IC is in the game, but if you're worried about that: shortaru, can you post

kill: shortaru

in-thread?

kill: shortaru

And if self-vig is not allowed:

kill: Bicephelous Bob

Anymore questions?

Oops:

Kill: Bicephalous Bob

In case there's concern about misspell shenanigans.

[shortaru]

do those day vig shots mean you are retracting your earlier claim?

Nope. They mean I'm addressing concerns about my claim.

[shortaru]

I mean, that's how I took your post 45 so I'm glad you see why I though it was strange.

Considering I kill children compulsively, I doubt I even have to submit the command.

I think the mod will likely kill it upon reveal.

[shortaru]

I know my first thought would have been "I hope he's reaction testing" not "I hope he just got himself killed cause he deserves it".

Its true, though.

I get spiteful when people undermine what I'm trying to do.

[shortaru]

I guess that's the real question then. What are you trying to do?

Avoid killing the IC.

Which, if that claim has been real, would have been resoundingly undermined.

Is this not basic?

[shortaru]

do those day vig shots mean you are retracting your earlier claim?

VOTE: Micc

I mean, the post where I put in the requested kill order (and a backup in case there were questions) has the post that asked me to do that very thing quoted right in it.

[shortaru]

It's unlikely an IC is in the game, but if you're worried about that: shortaru, can you post

kill: shortaru

in-thread?

I don’t like this, see? Feels a bit twisted in motivation.
VOTE: Bicephalous Bob

Not as twisted as Micc's specious push.

Bob was preempting the possibility of me being a fake-claiming Mafia dayvig. I got why he wanted me to do that.

Micc acting like he didn't understand my kill order, however... that makes no sense at all.

[shortaru]

no I was just actually lost.

the purpose of bob's post 54 went completely over my head specifically because I know how childkiller works and the idea of a mafia day vig using it as a fake claim after they actively shoot an IC claim never crossed my mind. I didn't even realize the dayvig shots were by request and not of his own making.

i'll be back tomorrow. I need sleep.

I've certainly been there.

UNVOTE: Micc

24, 26, 29

I don't like the feel of these posts. Since nothing else has caught my attention yet,

VOTE: Tazaro

[shortaru]

Maybe you should read the past ten posts.

[shortaru]

Didnt read the past 10 posts but mic is being opportunistic on page 2

How do ya even skip 10 measly posts?

I'd skip posts if they had the measles, too.

[shortaru]

if we see an UNCLAIMED innocent child flip, as well as a second flip at night, it goes a decent way to clearing him.

FYI, my role specifies that I immediately dayvig innocent child claims.

I misspoke. I understand the confusion, now. I was in a hurry and not claiming my role clearly.

When an Innocent Child is revealed by the moderator, they will be instantly killed as long as I am alive.

Apologies for the confusion.

[shortaru]

Thank you, Kitty.

I was starting to think I was the only one...

[shortaru]

VOTE: Maruchan

Justify

Uh done

Not even close.

[shortaru]

VOTE: Maruchan

Justify

Uh done

Not even close.

Nah unfortunately, I decide if I said enough.

VOTE: Simeon

[shortaru]

(Gamma is talking like a cliche mobster & might be angling for bragging rights for talking like that the entire game as scum)

[shortaru]

Gamma, are you under a post restriction?

[shortaru]

UNVOTE: Maruchan

@Maruchan what do you think of Micc's post 69?

VOTE: Tazaro

Not a terrible post.

[shortaru]

Tazaro has been dull so far. It feels like he's just posting to look town.

Like his posts are mostly comments and don't really stick to anything.

I am a one liner kind of guy; and this is like a preemptive criticism^ of me before switching off from who U were briefly "sticking" to before (maruchan) and then sticking to me for who knows what length of stint.
Stint away, but make good cases justifying Urself before you end up switching off and on.

Terrible post.

You do understand that Maruchan posted before i switched my vote to you?

I'm not voting you because you're a one liner kind of guy, I'm voting you because your one liners don't really look like they were made to help you sort who's town or who's scum. It look like they were made just to say something.

If you can get support for that wagon, I'll totally join it.

Then you can wonder if I was bussing after he flips red.

[shortaru]

If you help me lynch him now and he flips red, I don't have to wonder if you're bussing.

Do you think I'm scum?

I'm batting around the possibility of distancing.

It's not like your push will put him in any danger of being lynched as it stands.

[shortaru]

Wow.

[shortaru]

UNVOTE:

I can't understand anything tazaro is writing and it's already annoying. maruchan reading and commenting on only half the thread to then come back 20 minutes later and answer a brand new question is ehh. gamma purposefully talking in riddles is also rather annoying.

Who is scum?

[shortaru]

Why wouldn't you use your vote to push someone in order to develop a read?

[shortaru]

This concerns me because later he's talking about how he's read the thread enough but he doesn't know there's a player in the game named Jay.

TBF, it's not like Jay has posted in, like, ever.

[shortaru]

lets talk about your push on simeon. You're voting him because he wouldn't explain his push or something else?

That, and 84 in general was a crap post.

[shortaru]

Who give a s*** about his push on Simeon when he clearly says it's for developing reads, not necessarily a consequence of scum radar.

And you wonder why I'm scumreading you?

Saying it CAN be used for a push absent reads does not mean that I am using MINE simply for a push.

[shortaru]

Ok
I subconsciously was a bit angry because I was wondering if Micc was using discussion in a way of trying to pressure you into not doing what you were doing with respect to Simeon, when it does have a logic to it.

Fair enough.

[shortaru]

Then again I never liked the logic of crap post = higher scum read. I have experience with that being wrong

Depends on the kind of crap it is.

There's NAI crap and there's scummy crap.

[shortaru]

I don't have a problem with him calling maruchan out for those things. I felt pretty similarly myself to be honest.

That does not surprise me in the least.

[shortaru]

If you help me lynch him now and he flips red, I don't have to wonder if you're bussing.

Do you think I'm scum?

If you help me lynch him now and he flips red, I don't have to wonder if you're bussing.

Do you think I'm scum?

I'm batting around the possibility of distancing.

It's not like your push will put him in any danger of being lynched as it stands.

Why are you looking for associative tells without a flip? It's almost always a waste of time, but in this setup we don't even know if there are two scum on the same team.

I was preempting any whining about me voting with a scumread.

[shortaru]

Do you think this is indicative of shortaru having any knowledge he shouldn't have, as town?

I had no specific scum motivation in mind when I asked it. His reply hints at the scummy kind of self-consciousness, though. The fact that he didn't acknowledge the likely possibility of multiball in his reply also feels off.

Not my default assumption, but I have never played this kind of game. *shrug*

[shortaru]

That being said, no, actually, I don't see anything alignment indicative in your posts so far.

That is alignment indicative in itself, isn't it?

Scum isn't going to be hopping up and down, saying, "I'm scum!", especially on D1.

Blending in and/or neutral posting is far more suspicious to me than "strange". Scum is going to avoid being "strange".

[shortaru]

The fact that he didn't acknowledge the likely possibility of multiball in his reply also feels off.

How would scum know whether the game is multiball or not?

[shortaru]

Finally

@shortaru there is now support for the Tazaro wagon lols. Will you join?

No.

VOTE: Tazaro

[shortaru]

I'm really not vibing Micc atm.

I could totally lynch him.

Micc, who is scum?

[shortaru]

The fact that he didn't acknowledge the likely possibility of multiball in his reply also feels off.

How would scum know whether the game is multiball or not?

It's not about knowledge. That's kitten's line of thought. I felt that you were more concerned about defending your behavior than about engaging with me in this post:

Why are you looking for associative tells without a flip? It's almost always a waste of time, but in this setup we don't even know if there are two scum on the same team.

I was preempting any whining about me voting with a scumread.

Oh. Well in that case,

If you help me lynch him now and he flips red, I don't have to wonder if you're bussing.

Do you think I'm scum?

If you help me lynch him now and he flips red, I don't have to wonder if you're bussing.

Do you think I'm scum?

I'm batting around the possibility of distancing.

It's not like your push will put him in any danger of being lynched as it stands.

Why are you looking for associative tells without a flip? It's almost always a waste of time, but in this setup we don't even know if there are two scum on the same team.

I always look for potential associative tells and document them so I can refer back to my prior posts later because my memory sucks and I may forget after flips.

[shortaru]

shortaru, are you good at appearing as town as scum? Roughly how often are you lynched as scum without guilties?

In person? Not that great. People read me like a book because it's all over my face.

Here? I don't know, yet.

[shortaru]

Could someone explain ta me what the hell is goin’ on here?

I kind of wanted to say something to that effect, but I didn't want to be accused of saying nothing again.

but now I might be...

Kinda early in the game to be concerned about being accused of saying nothing.

Interesting thought.

[shortaru]

I already said I am not good at guessing scum.
If a hammer comes then too bad for however
hammers because I am supersaint btw.

I'm willing to unvote and be the hammer.

[shortaru]

UNVOTE:

Intent to hammer when Tazaro reaches L-1.

[shortaru]

I'm so not surprised that Gamma is the L-1 vote.

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

My intent to hammer was a reaction test to see who would bait an early end to the day.

I'm still willing to hammer Tazaro if necessary after not time has passed... but Gamma raised a huge red flag.

[shortaru]

(Note to self: Consider Kittenlicks if Gamma flips scum)

[shortaru]

Are you crazy? I already stated what was essentially intent, ya palooka!

Yeah, and we still have 5 days in this phase.

Any particular reason you want it cut short?

[shortaru]

It is, now.

[shortaru]

To be clear, the "can you wait a few minutes" thing was directed at you

I know it was.

[shortaru]

It is, now.

Only cos I made it happen! I shouldn’t have to run this town like this!

Just because something is happening doesn't mean it is coming from a town mindset.

I see scum equity in wanting to cut the day short. How does it benefit town?

[shortaru]

One question, do I not understand how supersaint works? Does it only kill the person that hammers?

Yes.

I was under the impression it gets to choose.

That's Vengeful.

[shortaru]

Eh, screw it.

Tired of bring the only one that seems to care anyway.

VOTE: Tazaro

[shortaru]

Being*

[shortaru]

*victory dance*


Bah!