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OkaPoka · Post Post #38 (isolation #0) » Mon Oct 29, 2018 11:10 am

1. PenguinPower -
2. Nako - 1
3. BrightEyedFish -
4. Sephiroth - 4
5. Radja - 1
6. Tchill13 - 1
7. DrDolittle -
8. DVa -
9. OkaPoka -
10. Joey_ - 2
11. Kokichi Oma - 1
12. Almost50 - 2
13. Gamma Emerald - 3

VOTE: Sephiroth

I prefer playing scum.

I don't have a solidified scum game.

OkaPoka · Post Post #41 (isolation #1) » Mon Oct 29, 2018 11:58 am

In post 40, DrDolittle wrote:what's that list above, Oka?

Doesn't really matter, why do you ask?

OkaPoka · Post Post #43 (isolation #2) » Mon Oct 29, 2018 12:00 pm

In post 42, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 41, OkaPoka wrote:
In post 40, DrDolittle wrote:what's that list above, Oka?
Doesn't really matter, why do you ask?
It kinda does, because it makes no sense unless you explain it?

I'll explain it when I think it's relevant?

Why do you need to know what it means?

OkaPoka · Post Post #46 (isolation #3) » Mon Oct 29, 2018 12:04 pm

Why did you vote Negan?

OkaPoka · Post Post #49 (isolation #4) » Mon Oct 29, 2018 12:19 pm

Your answer to my question is relevant to my answer to your question.

OkaPoka · Post Post #53 (isolation #5) » Mon Oct 29, 2018 12:28 pm

Fine, I guess its not relevant but me revealing my magic formula now would be useless because once the cards are laid out then people can manipulate their hands.

I'm assuming you made your "negan" vote as an RVS vote correct?

Well for now, think of my vote as essentially RVS with some very minimal thought behind it.

OkaPoka · Post Post #79 (isolation #6) » Mon Oct 29, 2018 8:15 pm

1. PenguinPower - 2
2. Nako - 1
3. BrightEyedFish -
4. Sephiroth - 4
5. Radja - 1
6. Tchill13 - 3
7. DrDolittle -
8. DVa -
9. OkaPoka -
10. Joey_ - 2
11. Kokichi Oma - 3
12. Almost50 - 3
13. Gamma Emerald - 4

OkaPoka · Post Post #80 (isolation #7) » Mon Oct 29, 2018 8:31 pm

Actually:
1. PenguinPower - 2
2. Nako - 1
3. BrightEyedFish -
4. Sephiroth - 5
5. Radja - 2
6. Tchill13 - 4
7. DrDolittle -
8. DVa -
9. OkaPoka - 1
10. Joey_ - 3
11. Kokichi Oma - 4
12. Almost50 - 4
13. Gamma Emerald - 4

Adjusted:
1. PenguinPower + 1
2. Nako + 4
3. BrightEyedFish + 1
4. Sephiroth + 6
5. Radja + 3
6. Tchill13 + 2
7. DrDolittle + 3
8. DVa + 2
9. OkaPoka + 6(7)
10. Joey_ + 5
11. Kokichi Oma + 2
12. Almost50 + 3
13. Gamma Emerald + 6

!!!
1. PenguinPower = 2
2. Nako = 0.25
3. BrightEyedFish = 0
4. Sephiroth = 0.83
5. Radja = 0.67
6. Tchill13 = 2
7. DrDolittle = 0
8. DVa = 0
9. OkaPoka = 0.17(0.14)
10. Joey_ = 0.6
11. Kokichi Oma = 2
12. Almost50 = 1.33
13. Gamma Emerald = 0.67

In post 75, skitter30 wrote:
VOTE COUNT 1.2
Nako (3)
- Dva, Almost50, Sephiroth

Sephiroth (2)
- Kokichi, OkaPoka

Radja (2)
- Joey_, PenguinPower

Kokichi (2)
- Radja, Nako

OkaPoka (2)
- Tchill, BrightEyedFish

Dva (1)
- DrDolittle

Not Voting (1)
- Gamma Emerald

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch

Deadline:
(expired on 2018-11-12 11:00:00)

Mod Notes:

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VOTE: kokichi oma

OkaPoka · Post Post #83 (isolation #8) » Mon Oct 29, 2018 8:39 pm

I'm essentially bookmarking my thoughts of early scumreads solely off of RVS/Early Day alone.

You know how we ask for reads later in the day? Well this is a readslist based on hidden but not really hidden criteria so I can later find this post to remind myself of how I felt the game was progressing.

Also aims to accomplish some other things but yeah. Hopefully it'll be helpful like when we get to day 3+ but rn its really just for me. I could make a private doc instead of posting it in the thread, but I'll probably explain it before n1 so you guys can use it as a reference (in case of my untimely demise) and I want to be as transparent and in the moment with my thoughts as possible.

OkaPoka · Post Post #86 (isolation #9) » Mon Oct 29, 2018 8:50 pm

okay no more data posts cuz u ruined the fun

but for ruining the fun u get town brownies

I've been in two games were I was scum and won solely off the fact that there were lylo liabilties in town that entered lylo and cost town the game. So my "formula" is to find out who is going to be a lylo liability and essentially "policy" lynch them before hand. Also I wanted to be somewhat cryptic because I was aiming to get reactions that I felt would come out of town vs scum, and I know personally just exiting from a scumgame with some cryptic players, that its really scary to not know everybody's exact opinions as scum because those people are hard to manipulate being unpredictable and all. There needs to be a veil of illusion to deter manipulation and buddying, buddying is my fav tactic as scum cuz it can really carry you deep into endgame and only then does the paranoia set in but if you can sneak your way into lylo chances are you have a solid chance of winning as scum.

Kokichi has a pretty bad ratio so yeah. Also she has a bigger wagon than penguin so there is that too. Was hoping that this would be a bigger talking point before it was figured out but what can ya do.

OkaPoka · Post Post #135 (isolation #10) » Tue Oct 30, 2018 11:16 am

In post 98, Kokichi Oma wrote:
In post 90, Nako wrote:Joey is right, Kokichi has liability, we should lynch him.
Also stan IZ*ONE
Why am I liability.

not liability yet, but most likely candidate to be one so my vote can remain on you until I find someone who is legit super scummy.

In post 104, Sephiroth wrote:Can someone explain to me the 'kokichi is a liability' thing?

I think the numbers from oka are completely NAI. Its not hard to throw some numbers up as scum if you're being so vague about it. Not sure why anyone is tr-ing him for that.

ive played with kokichi once before in a meme-y kinda game.
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=84&t=76496
he was kinda low content but then again so was everyone. i was completely lost in that game and couldn't get a read on kokichi. feel like he might be setting himself up as a lylo liability with how things have transpired so yeah.

hopefully this deincentivizes a development into that game's playstyle cuz honestly that game was won basically off a 50/50 coin flip which is eww

In post 105, Joey_ wrote:Claiming mefia sub page 5 is not being a liability
>Implying you are going to policy someone (or people in general) because they are a threat to lylo
is
being a liability to your own wincon

no.

OkaPoka · Post Post #138 (isolation #11) » Tue Oct 30, 2018 1:02 pm

no as in policy lynching someone is playing against my win con

ive witnessed too many recent games where town loses because they aren't willing to go after anti town players early on, and then come lylo they pick the wrong lylo liabilities to hang because scum are able to use charisma to dodge lynches.
either we deal with lylo liabilities now or we stop considering charisma into our equation, but i doubt the latter is possible.

no more nicknames please because i dont follow and dont want to try and follow.

OkaPoka · Post Post #170 (isolation #12) » Tue Oct 30, 2018 4:10 pm

In post 139, Joey_ wrote:
In post 138, OkaPoka wrote:pick the wrong lylo liabilities to hang because scum are able to use charisma to dodge lynches.
lmao that sum up why i think its a terrible plan, simply because more often than not scum is actively doing their best to not be textbook anti-town. Town wins when mefia are dead, not when the anti-town liabilities are

not really, no. pretty much anyone can really get away with being anti town until we reach lylo where suddenly anti town becomes an important deciding quality barring PRs and then since we didn't lynch all the non cooperative folks, we have to find who is pretending to be daft and who is actually daft. if i can bring discussion to this day 1 then we can be cognizant of this, deincentivising anti town plays or punishing those who refuse to adapt.

wouldn't say kokichi has entered that territory yet but its a warning and if we stick by this itll send a powerful message to anyone who wants to play that way.

@nako, personally im for "policy lynching" until I find a decent scumread to stick onto. but i use policy lynching lightly because it can be argued that I am scumreading people for being anti town, it just happens that its not too bad if they flip town.

OkaPoka · Post Post #173 (isolation #13) » Tue Oct 30, 2018 4:24 pm

Everything is a policy lynch if you really think about it. It just happens that most of the time we use fancy words to cover up the fact that somebody is just simply not charismatic.

OkaPoka · Post Post #176 (isolation #14) » Tue Oct 30, 2018 4:26 pm

In post 173, OkaPoka wrote:Everything is a policy lynch if you really think about it. It just happens that most of the time we use fancy words to cover up the fact that somebody is just simply not charismatic.

*except pr and mechanical game solving

OkaPoka · Post Post #188 (isolation #15) » Tue Oct 30, 2018 4:58 pm

tchill - what purpose were you trying to accomplish by voting yourself?

gamma - why aren't you throwing down your vote?

OkaPoka · Post Post #205 (isolation #16) » Tue Oct 30, 2018 6:50 pm

Kokichi what purpose do your three most recent posts aim to accomplish?

OkaPoka · Post Post #207 (isolation #17) » Tue Oct 30, 2018 7:01 pm

What do you mean by creating actions? Do you action as in content or action as in doing something?

As in content I would argue that my weird data thing aimed to create content to become a point of discussion, though it failed ultimately to yield anything of much significance, the purpose was still there.

As for doing something, me voting people is me doing something.

OkaPoka · Post Post #209 (isolation #18) » Tue Oct 30, 2018 7:15 pm

In post 208, Kokichi Oma wrote:
In post 205, OkaPoka wrote:Kokichi what purpose do your three most recent posts aim to accomplish?
Making conversation with people?

Okay. But why? What are you aiming to accomplish with conversation? Let's look at these three "conversation pieces"

In post 202, Kokichi Oma wrote:
In post 146, PenguinPower wrote:I find it amazing that anyone can say with certainty that someone else isn’t an alt absent those straight from the newbie queue.
But, I'm not an alt!

Where does the conversation really evolve from here, what can PenguinPower respond with?
"Oh what if u are an alt" Yeah no, it goes no where.

In post 203, Kokichi Oma wrote:
In post 146, PenguinPower wrote:Kokichi is probably scum right now. It’s a good way for me to start my reads.
Starting out wrong is a good thing?

And...? What response do you want from here? You want Penguin to really continue down this path of conversation, saying something along the lines of "no I'm right or prove why am I wrong"? It'll devolve into a circular conversation.

In post 204, Kokichi Oma wrote:
In post 186, Tchill13 wrote:Long time no, see kokichi hope you've been well btw.
I've been well. I hope you have been too!

And where does Tchill go from here?
---
Unless of course you are saying you mean to respond to them, but with the gamestate evolving at a decent pace since your last departure, was really making these three arguably useless posts, really the best use of our collective time(s)?

We've had the conversation about policy lynching transpire since then, tchill wagon has formed to a small size but sizable by your very own standards, tchill voted himself, DDL has some steam gathering behind him. Yet you thought giving the mafia equivalent of "hey how's your day been" as the best option moving forward? Nobody expects you to need to comment on everything, but still man.
---
Unless of course your conversation was meant to try and get chummy with them. Which could merit a whole discussion of its own.
---
Which one(s) is/are it? Or is it something else entirely?

OkaPoka · Post Post #211 (isolation #19) » Tue Oct 30, 2018 7:19 pm

The conversation itself is not what is important, its the stuff that you choose to ignore and in favor of posting something inherently useless.

OkaPoka · Post Post #213 (isolation #20) » Tue Oct 30, 2018 7:53 pm

In post 212, DVa wrote:
In post 195, Nako wrote:
In post 192, DrDolittle wrote:I'm really not sure what's going on in this game with all the talks about alts and whatnot.
I'm reading Tchill town I think the wagon on him is dumb. Nako why did you decide to pile on.
Nako misquoting thing is stupid and not alignment indicative.
VOTE: DrDolittle
VOTE: DrDolittle

Is that really all you have to say so far?

OkaPoka · Post Post #217 (isolation #21) » Tue Oct 30, 2018 8:13 pm

In post 215, DVa wrote:
In post 214, Gamma Emerald wrote:I’m trying to think if I like this wagon
On one hand DDL went after one of my townreads so that’s not a good thing
But I don’t really see why he’s being wagoned
You should join it and see if you like it

Why would someone join the DDL wagon in your mind?

OkaPoka · Post Post #247 (isolation #22) » Wed Oct 31, 2018 2:10 pm

so dva and nako are buddying each other, likely at least one is scum

almost50 may be a liability wrt how he is treating the dr dolittle wagon

bes just outta nowhere hopped on dr dolittle wagon

kokichi is probably scum

penguin needs to vote kokichi

OkaPoka · Post Post #249 (isolation #23) » Wed Oct 31, 2018 2:17 pm

In post 242, skitter30 wrote:
VOTE COUNT 1.5
DrDolittle (5)
- Nako, Almost50, DVa, Gamma Emerald, BrightEyedFish

BrightEyedFish (2)
- DrDolittle, Radja

Tchill13 (1)
- Tchill13

Kokichi Oma(1)
- OkaPoka

Nako (1)
- Sephiroth

Sephiroth (1)
- Kokichi Oma

Radja (1)
- PenguinPower

PenguinPower (1)
- Joey_

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch

Deadline:
(expired on 2018-11-12 11:00:00)

Mod Notes:

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In post 248, PenguinPower wrote:
In post 247, OkaPoka wrote:penguin needs to vote kokichi
I am.

not according to God

OkaPoka · Post Post #254 (isolation #24) » Wed Oct 31, 2018 3:22 pm

In post 251, Almost50 wrote:
In post 247, OkaPoka wrote:almost50 may be a liability wrt how he is treating the dr dolittle wagon
If you bring up the word "liability" one more time I may have to consider you one and remove you from the game TODAY!

Using this excuse to vote/FoS someone is denying responsibility for the flip. You are basically saying "I want to lynch X, Y & Z because I don't trust them to win the game FOR the Town" which in itself implies you do TR them (or know they're Town) but still want to lynch them/remove them from the game.

So let me say this one more time: You refer to anyone as a "liability" and my vote is stuck on you for the rest of the day coupled with a RC-sque type of tunnel.

no? If I mark someone a liability I take full responsibility still? What? Its still me pushing them, and its a shorthand of me writing "this person is not doing typically town things and are doing things that I don't feel like are particulary useful thus they may be using a primitive form of AtE as scum and trying to play it off as their natural playstyle and that their play is highly indicative of their lack of care to win this game which I find more likely to come from scum"

ur being a liability to this game because you are still treating this game like RVS and your use of exclamation points, caps, and emoticons, create a lot of emotional tells compounded with the fact that your vote on drdolittle doesn't have rational grounds, makes it appear to me at least, that you don't actually care about finding scum and people might not lynch for you it cuz of the emotional tells so you can more easily get away w it.

OkaPoka · Post Post #255 (isolation #25) » Wed Oct 31, 2018 3:33 pm

In post 158, Nako wrote:
In post 154, Tchill13 wrote:
In post 152, DVa wrote:I kinda wanna see how he reacts to a wagon on him, want to join me and find out?

VOTE: Tchill
VOTE: tchill

Pile on Boys and Girls.
VOTE: Tchill13

In post 195, Nako wrote:
In post 192, DrDolittle wrote:I'm really not sure what's going on in this game with all the talks about alts and whatnot.
I'm reading Tchill town I think the wagon on him is dumb. Nako why did you decide to pile on.
Nako misquoting thing is stupid and not alignment indicative.
VOTE: DrDolittle

In post 212, DVa wrote:
In post 195, Nako wrote:
In post 192, DrDolittle wrote:I'm really not sure what's going on in this game with all the talks about alts and whatnot.
I'm reading Tchill town I think the wagon on him is dumb. Nako why did you decide to pile on.
Nako misquoting thing is stupid and not alignment indicative.
VOTE: DrDolittle
VOTE: DrDolittle

I think if there is a scum buddying town in this interaction, its more likely to be DVA because at least nako has reasonable shot at credibility bc tchill voted himself meanwhile dva is just agreeing with nako w that vote even though i don't think she should have any reason to believe nako as town nor did she give much addition to why she thinks drdolittle is scum.

anyways dr dolittle wagon is pretty shoddy and i want @people actually on the wagon to give me hard evidence as to why y'all think he is scum.

OkaPoka · Post Post #258 (isolation #26) » Wed Oct 31, 2018 4:14 pm

Wait. Almost50 = Austin Powers? Posting styles seem very similar.

Dva and nako are you both alts?

OkaPoka · Post Post #261 (isolation #27) » Wed Oct 31, 2018 4:18 pm

In post 260, Nako wrote:
In post 247, OkaPoka wrote:so dva and nako are buddying each other, likely at least one is scum
Why are you thunderdoming?

What's thunderdoming?

OkaPoka · Post Post #264 (isolation #28) » Wed Oct 31, 2018 4:22 pm

In post 262, Nako wrote:
In post 261, OkaPoka wrote:
In post 260, Nako wrote:
In post 247, OkaPoka wrote:so dva and nako are buddying each other, likely at least one is scum
Why are you thunderdoming?
What's thunderdoming?
Making the lynch between 2 people, what you said is clearly a thunderdoming attempt.

Ok but if you keep reading its not a thunderdome (because im pretty clearly coming out against dva over you) and also if you look at who im voting its def not a thunderdome

OkaPoka · Post Post #269 (isolation #29) » Wed Oct 31, 2018 4:25 pm

In post 267, Nako wrote:
In post 264, OkaPoka wrote:
In post 262, Nako wrote:
In post 261, OkaPoka wrote:
In post 260, Nako wrote:
In post 247, OkaPoka wrote:so dva and nako are buddying each other, likely at least one is scum
Why are you thunderdoming?
What's thunderdoming?
Making the lynch between 2 people, what you said is clearly a thunderdoming attempt.
Ok but if you keep reading its not a thunderdome (because im pretty clearly coming out against dva over you) and also if you look at who im voting its def not a thunderdome
Do you think it can be Almost50 and DVa scumteam?

Would be ridiculously silly to do pre associatives this early in the game and it would only be asking to be wrong or go down the wrong path

but its certainly a possibility

OkaPoka · Post Post #282 (isolation #30) » Wed Oct 31, 2018 5:03 pm

Why is defending you a good thing?

OkaPoka · Post Post #292 (isolation #31) » Wed Oct 31, 2018 5:08 pm

In post 285, DrDolittle wrote:don't you feel good about someone when they are defending you??

yes

but then you have to ask what are there motivations for defending you

anyways i don't really see radja defending you, could you point to me where he was defending you?

OkaPoka · Post Post #304 (isolation #32) » Wed Oct 31, 2018 5:22 pm

In post 302, DVa wrote:They wanted a writing sample cause it's a job that includes lots of writing.

Be careful tho, Okapoka might think that being sociable and friendly is a sign you're trying to buddy me.

To be fair, I can't take credit for Sephora, I think I saw someone else make that joke first and I just liked it.

Why the shade?

OkaPoka · Post Post #309 (isolation #33) » Wed Oct 31, 2018 5:25 pm

Being sociable isn't guaranteed mafia but being sociable is a lazy way for mafia to get townreads.

@DVa, yeah but your shade doesn't point to a higher conclusion/more developed reasoning. It's just a snarky comment that does nothing except making a surface level attack on me?

OkaPoka · Post Post #310 (isolation #34) » Wed Oct 31, 2018 5:25 pm

@Dva, so why are you sheeping nako then?

OkaPoka · Post Post #315 (isolation #35) » Wed Oct 31, 2018 5:27 pm

And you reached this conclusion how? And you know her judgment is good how?

OkaPoka · Post Post #322 (isolation #36) » Wed Oct 31, 2018 5:32 pm

Dva, How is nako so solidly town? Not seeing it. Can you give me some examples and go through your reasoning as to why?

OkaPoka · Post Post #330 (isolation #37) » Wed Oct 31, 2018 5:36 pm

This is some really lazy reasoning.

Why are those two posts indicative of a town mindset rather than a scum mindset?

OkaPoka · Post Post #334 (isolation #38) » Wed Oct 31, 2018 5:40 pm

When did I shade Nako?

Why can't scum act in a protown fashion?

Why can't scum give an honest evaluation of their self meta?

OkaPoka · Post Post #343 (isolation #39) » Wed Oct 31, 2018 5:46 pm

I'm not casing nako. I'm seeing how you think.

Your townread on nako makes no since given that you are an alt, meaning you have experience in this game.

Scum tell the truth all the time. Scum can act protown. It would be dangerous to lock town anyone this hard this early.

OkaPoka · Post Post #349 (isolation #40) » Wed Oct 31, 2018 5:49 pm

In post 346, DVa wrote:
In post 343, OkaPoka wrote:It would be dangerous to lock town anyone this hard this early.
clearly someone who has played with radiantcowbells

I've only played with RC in a marathon game where we lynched in d1 and he vengekilled me.

I have heard a lot about him.

But still, your townread on nako is very presumptuous given your experience, are you going to elaborate more?

OkaPoka · Post Post #366 (isolation #41) » Wed Oct 31, 2018 6:00 pm

Would recommend a kokichi vote to all undecided people, just check his iso to see if he has any desire to find scum.

Why is this scum behavior?

Because as town we really have two options to play, create information or analyze the information given to us. After all, we have no information to work with so we have to make use with what we have got. There is no sense of desire in kokichi's post to actually play the game in finding mafia, nor is there any activity indicating that he wants to create a healthier environment with more info for everyone else to work with. Leading me to the conclusion that he is my definition of a liability, he does not share the motivations all townies share, rather he is just making pointless conversation and probably hoping that his small talk can carry him a certain distance. Wouldn't be surprised if he hopped onto a wagon soon however, he needs to eventually give the appearance of him playing the game.

@Dva, locking in townreads day 1 for weakass reasons is how you lose games. People like to say they reevaluate all the time, but usually that doesn't happen until lylo. Until I can see evidence of you constantly reevaluating, I have no reason to trust that you will reread in an unbiased manner. Your either damaging town with your cocky attitude or your just buddying in so you can lock yourself into a very simple position to play as scum so you can fend off pressure easily. You can remove my suspicion if you give more solid reasons as to why Nako is doing things that scum is incapable of, but so far all your reasoning can be easily done as scum, its nothing out of the ordinary.

OkaPoka · Post Post #369 (isolation #42) » Wed Oct 31, 2018 6:04 pm

In post 356, DrDolittle wrote:
In post 353, DVa wrote:when I have a strong early game read they tend to be right
are your strong early game read typically town reads

answer this question please, am interested in how you play

OkaPoka · Post Post #374 (isolation #43) » Wed Oct 31, 2018 6:07 pm

Gamma has made 41 posts and none of them seem to be of substantial value or content. He's engaging in a lot of pointless conversation that don't lead anywhere, but he's obviously reading the thread as he is responding to questions directed at him. His lack of actually doing something of importance makes me think active lurking? What's your gameplan gamma.

OkaPoka · Post Post #379 (isolation #44) » Wed Oct 31, 2018 6:11 pm

fun fact: if i townread everyone, most of the time ill be correct, so yeah. there is that.

@everyone who has played with kokichi and has a fair grasp on his meta, is joey right that kokichi becomes obv town as town? im not an expert on his meta so

OkaPoka · Post Post #383 (isolation #45) » Wed Oct 31, 2018 6:23 pm

VOTE: gamma emerald

@a50 yo join me over here

I think this is the right play. Gamma's interactions and questions are very surface level, checking his iso he does a lot of "positive" posting rather than trying to elevate discussion by contradicting. Has no real scumreads yet which is kinda weird, his jump on DrDolittle is kinda weak because he did a posture post that doesn't really make sense? Thinking that he is just showing up to say a few words and then checking out, letting the rest of us talk it out, as opposed to genuinely gamesolving. Still think kokichi is scum, but I'll switch for now.

OkaPoka · Post Post #395 (isolation #46) » Wed Oct 31, 2018 6:38 pm

@BES, Catch up and comment on everything that you find is important + gamestate

@a50, okay ive only played with him once (where he replaced into a town slot) and he was more active and gamesolvey than this tho. might because there was more content to work with but i mean still, its not like he is incapable of trying to scum hunt.

OkaPoka · Post Post #401 (isolation #47) » Wed Oct 31, 2018 6:46 pm

In post 400, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 374, OkaPoka wrote:Gamma has made 41 posts and none of them seem to be of substantial value or content. He's engaging in a lot of pointless conversation that don't lead anywhere, but he's obviously reading the thread as he is responding to questions directed at him. His lack of actually doing something of importance makes me think active lurking? What's your gameplan gamma.
I am trying to poke around and make reads, and actually do have reads on some slots. Why do you seem to have missed that?

I don't think I did? I acknowledge that you have made reads, but they aren't really valuable because you aren't really following up on them or pushing hard. Just being lazy.

where's double day unlimited gamma where you called me out?

OkaPoka · Post Post #486 (isolation #48) » Thu Nov 01, 2018 6:51 pm

hi im sick here are some basic thoughts cuz im too tired to go deep:

@bes its not lack of scumreads its lack of will do to anything to develop scumreads or push existing one that is my problem with kokichi

almost50 is playing more like town ap than scum ap

i dont see how anyone can read kokichi as town rn

i also dont see how nako is so sure about townread gamma

i dont see why tchill is going after drdolittle if he is doing the ok with mislynch thing when kokichi and gamma exist

gamma thinking mutual townreads is a good idea shouldn't exist esp after we just played a double day unlimited game where mutual townreads ended up being very bad

people need to clarify their ideas more

OkaPoka · Post Post #499 (isolation #49) » Fri Nov 02, 2018 4:36 am

VOTE: kokichi oma

tchill come over here

bes i promise to you later ~

OkaPoka · Post Post #514 (isolation #50) » Fri Nov 02, 2018 8:32 am

In post 487, BrightEyedFish wrote:
In post 486, OkaPoka wrote:hi im sick here are some basic thoughts cuz im too tired to go deep:

@bes its not lack of scumreads its lack of will do to anything to develop scumreads or push existing one that is my problem with kokichi

almost50 is playing more like town ap than scum ap

i dont see how anyone can read kokichi as town rn

i also dont see how nako is so sure about townread gamma

i dont see why tchill is going after drdolittle if he is doing the ok with mislynch thing when kokichi and gamma exist

gamma thinking mutual townreads is a good idea shouldn't exist esp after we just played a double day unlimited game where mutual townreads ended up being very bad

people need to clarify their ideas more
There isn't much clarity in your post. Just statements. Show some evidence please.

1) Look at kokichi's iso. Only stance he has taken is joey = town. No reasoning. Mostly fluff.

2) Okay so sample size = 2 so take that for what you will, but having played one game with town!Ap and one game with scum!Ap (a50 alts), I can say that town AP is a lot more gamesolvey? In the Donner Party game (town A50), AP made a lot of posts about trying to crack the game and optimal plays and such. I scumread him for it but the intent to find out how to win was there. Meanwhile in PYP (scum AP) he was kinda just troll-y and didn't do much. He did hammer scum randomly and did some talking early, but then quickly devolved into fluffposting.

3) Kokichi is making fluff posts, nothing is coming from a townie mindset to try and win, thus I don't see how you can tr that playstyle.

4) Gamma posting can be done by scum, imo locking in town before flips is kinda sketch because saying things is a lot easier than actually doing things. Nako's iso on gamma has no posts in which only town makes that post and scum doesn't.

5) DrDolittle is a lot more vocal about how he sees the game from his iso than gamma or kokichi. Thus less of a liability to work with in town.

6) In DDU, me, katyusha, cheeky (i was scum, katy town, cheeky town) formed a semi town bloc. Cheeky kinda had doubts towards the end of d1, but then nk. Then basically me and katy kinda just decided the lynches for the entire game until lylo cuz we had strong townreads on each other and then by the time lylo came, we had basically me, katy, not_mafia, saudade, and kmd. Not_mafia is a lylo liability and was town so yeah. Mutual townreads made it so katy never reconsidered her townread until it was too late. Blocs are dangerous.

anything else need clarity?

OkaPoka · Post Post #518 (isolation #51) » Fri Nov 02, 2018 8:39 am

@joey can you link me some kokichi town games where he does this fluffposting early ?

OkaPoka · Post Post #519 (isolation #52) » Fri Nov 02, 2018 8:40 am

Gamma why are you voting DDL and why aren't you voting kokichi?

OkaPoka · Post Post #521 (isolation #53) » Fri Nov 02, 2018 8:55 am

why is ddl a scumlean?

if you had been in DDU the entire game, would you have lynched saudade or not_mafia earlier? Don't you think that town odds would have significantly increased had either of those two been lynched day 1?

OkaPoka · Post Post #526 (isolation #54) » Fri Nov 02, 2018 9:07 am

kokichi = not_mafia or kokichi = saudade

OkaPoka · Post Post #528 (isolation #55) » Fri Nov 02, 2018 9:11 am

I'm saying that kokichi is either one of those two with how the game is transpiring, and using your experience and ability of hindsight for DDU you should vote kokichi. Kokichi has also failed to contribute and is purposely acting scummy for whatever reason, not voting him is just letting him blatantly get away with this bs.

OkaPoka · Post Post #533 (isolation #56) » Fri Nov 02, 2018 9:18 am

In post 530, Gamma Emerald wrote:Well here’s the thing: in DDU we had no way of determining alignment beyond reading people besides lynch. In a Normal we have things in that department. Kokichi is a good big shot if possible, or investigative choice as well.

would you rather have known not_mafia/saudade was on your side or me/katy was on your side?

OkaPoka · Post Post #538 (isolation #57) » Fri Nov 02, 2018 9:25 am

mmh hmm

so the investigative roles shouldn't be prioritizing kokichi this game, no?

OkaPoka · Post Post #569 (isolation #58) » Fri Nov 02, 2018 1:37 pm

In post 366, OkaPoka wrote:Would recommend a kokichi vote to all undecided people, just check his iso to see if he has any desire to find scum.

Why is this scum behavior?

Because as town we really have two options to play, create information or analyze the information given to us. After all, we have no information to work with so we have to make use with what we have got. There is no sense of desire in kokichi's post to actually play the game in finding mafia, nor is there any activity indicating that he wants to create a healthier environment with more info for everyone else to work with. Leading me to the conclusion that he is my definition of a liability, he does not share the motivations all townies share, rather he is just making pointless conversation and probably hoping that his small talk can carry him a certain distance. Wouldn't be surprised if he hopped onto a wagon soon however, he needs to eventually give the appearance of him playing the game.

@Dva, locking in townreads day 1 for weakass reasons is how you lose games. People like to say they reevaluate all the time, but usually that doesn't happen until lylo. Until I can see evidence of you constantly reevaluating, I have no reason to trust that you will reread in an unbiased manner. Your either damaging town with your cocky attitude or your just buddying in so you can lock yourself into a very simple position to play as scum so you can fend off pressure easily. You can remove my suspicion if you give more solid reasons as to why Nako is doing things that scum is incapable of, but so far all your reasoning can be easily done as scum, its nothing out of the ordinary.

*raises hand*

OkaPoka · Post Post #573 (isolation #59) » Fri Nov 02, 2018 1:45 pm

Raising hand to respond to Dva's do you see any scum motivation in his posts. Quote somehow didn't select.

But voting kokichi would be cool.

OkaPoka · Post Post #575 (isolation #60) » Fri Nov 02, 2018 1:46 pm

I have him lean town but I certainly don't see how kokichi is readable at all.

OkaPoka · Post Post #581 (isolation #61) » Fri Nov 02, 2018 2:02 pm

Proactive? He's making pointless conversation and not delving deeper. Maybe he has one or two posts that do things but the others don't do anything. Why is drawing night actions a good thing?

OkaPoka · Post Post #585 (isolation #62) » Fri Nov 02, 2018 2:06 pm

Have you found scum yet kokichi?

OkaPoka · Post Post #588 (isolation #63) » Fri Nov 02, 2018 2:08 pm

In post 586, DVa wrote:
In post 581, OkaPoka wrote:Proactive? He's making pointless conversation and not delving deeper. Maybe he has one or two posts that do things but the others don't do anything. Why is drawing night actions a good thing?
he spends the first 20ish posts of his iso commenting on whether people have contributed and directly responding to how he feels about people's posts while pushing a wagon... that is not similar to his play here. you can say he only has surface level play, but you would need to show him having non-surface level play as town to argue he is scum here, because his scum game *based on penguins example* looks different than his play in this game

link me some quotes

OkaPoka · Post Post #593 (isolation #64) » Fri Nov 02, 2018 2:17 pm

that's a really shitty way to create a meta

and he's def going to get lynched at lylo

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=84&t=76496

trolly as scum + kokichi game

--

anyways meta shouldn't be an excuse for bad play

OkaPoka · Post Post #605 (isolation #65) » Fri Nov 02, 2018 2:30 pm

In post 585, OkaPoka wrote:Have you found scum yet kokichi?

OkaPoka · Post Post #611 (isolation #66) » Fri Nov 02, 2018 2:49 pm

nako please vote kokichi

OkaPoka · Post Post #620 (isolation #67) » Fri Nov 02, 2018 3:05 pm

So this entire time you had weak scumreads on one person, and you didn't do much to supplement that?

OkaPoka · Post Post #630 (isolation #68) » Fri Nov 02, 2018 3:24 pm

In post 629, Kokichi Oma wrote:
In post 620, OkaPoka wrote:So this entire time you had weak scumreads on one person, and you didn't do much to supplement that?
Honestly man, ever since you tried to analyze me saying hi to someone like it was calculus, I can't take your questions seriously anymore

Isn't that a convenient way to dodge a question.

OkaPoka · Post Post #633 (isolation #69) » Fri Nov 02, 2018 3:35 pm

Kokichi answer my question please.

OkaPoka · Post Post #646 (isolation #70) » Fri Nov 02, 2018 5:25 pm

It is indeed a possibility that DDL may be pocketing me.

But kokichi needs to answer my question.

OkaPoka · Post Post #651 (isolation #71) » Fri Nov 02, 2018 5:27 pm

In post 648, DVa wrote:
In post 642, Joey_ wrote:the little monkey,
Kinda tired at this point tonight, who is this?

pretty sure its a50

can we stop using fancy nicknames for people its getting really annoying to have to pull up the playerlist and have all their pfps open to see who everyone is referring to

OkaPoka · Post Post #659 (isolation #72) » Fri Nov 02, 2018 5:35 pm

Dva why aren't you sheeping nako?

OkaPoka · Post Post #670 (isolation #73) » Fri Nov 02, 2018 5:45 pm

So... what does this mean? Are you friends now or going to 1v1 it out?

OkaPoka · Post Post #674 (isolation #74) » Fri Nov 02, 2018 5:49 pm

Why aren't you dancing with nako

OkaPoka · Post Post #680 (isolation #75) » Fri Nov 02, 2018 5:58 pm

oh i see.

why are trying to implement this dancing mechanic tho in this game. what's the point ? or are you guys just memeing around.

OkaPoka · Post Post #734 (isolation #76) » Sat Nov 03, 2018 8:31 am

In post 694, Kokichi Oma wrote:
In post 674, OkaPoka wrote:Why aren't you dancing with nako
Questions like this is why I'm not answering any of your questions

LYNCH KOKICHI LYNCH KOKICHI LYNCH KOKICHI LYNCH KOKICHI LYNCH KOKICHI LYNCH KOKICHI LYNCH KOKICHI LYNCH KOKICHI LYNCH KOKICHI LYNCH KOKICHI LYNCH KOKICHI LYNCH KOKICHI

LYNCH KOKICHI LYNCH KOKICHI LYNCH KOKICHI LYNCH KOKICHI LYNCH KOKICHI LYNCH KOKICHI LYNCH KOKICHI LYNCH KOKICHI LYNCH KOKICHI LYNCH KOKICHI LYNCH KOKICHI LYNCH KOKICHI

tchill might be scum but honestly lynching kokichi is right play today

OkaPoka · Post Post #751 (isolation #77) » Sat Nov 03, 2018 4:56 pm

interesting and valid points from all sides.

but what town motivation is there to simply ignoring/dodging questions when asked repeatedly but demonstrating that you are watching their posts? What town motivation exists to essentially troll people you are townreading?

I'll tell you the scum motivation.

It's to tilt me/frustrate me. And when people get frustrated they lose their edge.

OkaPoka · Post Post #753 (isolation #78) » Sat Nov 03, 2018 4:59 pm

What if we just deleted your list and put kokichi three times in there for now because calling the scum team day 1 is kinda stupid and probably pointless?

OkaPoka · Post Post #754 (isolation #79) » Sat Nov 03, 2018 5:04 pm

In fact most people's plays today can be explained. But can you explain kokichi = town motivation? He has such a blatant disregard for playing the game that I don't know what to do or how to properly react.

He's disregarding his win condition and spent most of his time in one of the most valuable times to scumhunt by making pointless conversation. He is ignoring my questions ( he is townreading me!).

Why is this person not the first person we consider when hanging today?

OkaPoka · Post Post #760 (isolation #80) » Sat Nov 03, 2018 5:23 pm

In post 757, Nako wrote:
In post 754, OkaPoka wrote:In fact most people's plays today can be explained. But can you explain kokichi = town motivation? He has such a blatant disregard for playing the game that I don't know what to do or how to properly react.

He's disregarding his win condition and spent most of his time in one of the most valuable times to scumhunt by making pointless conversation. He is ignoring my questions ( he is townreading me!).

Why is this person not the first person we consider when hanging today?
Because Kokichi is an EZ PZ lynch bait.
Lynch DDl

just because someone is lynch bait doesn't mean they aren't maf?

OkaPoka · Post Post #762 (isolation #81) » Sat Nov 03, 2018 5:29 pm

can everyone who isn't aboard the kokichi wagon explain why they aren't aboard the kokichi wagon?

OkaPoka · Post Post #764 (isolation #82) » Sat Nov 03, 2018 5:34 pm

ur a bad person if ur willing to sabotage ur win condition to make people mad

that's kinda what trolling is

OkaPoka · Post Post #768 (isolation #83) » Sat Nov 03, 2018 5:37 pm

then kokichi will be the easiest sell in lylo lmao

and for whatever reason people don't take the game as seriously until lylo

our chances of winning decreased significantly if kokichi is town and is actively trolling

alternatively he is scum

@dva only im lock town

OkaPoka · Post Post #770 (isolation #84) » Sat Nov 03, 2018 5:49 pm

Mew, kindly place your vote on kokichi for me.

OkaPoka · Post Post #772 (isolation #85) » Sat Nov 03, 2018 5:55 pm

tchill why aren't you pushing kokichi w me.

tchill have u read all the pages yet.

tchill why do you want people to vote u.

OkaPoka · Post Post #779 (isolation #86) » Sat Nov 03, 2018 6:30 pm

VOTE: dva

rxn to nako vote is bad

OkaPoka · Post Post #782 (isolation #87) » Sat Nov 03, 2018 6:33 pm

Because you decided of all times, to stay in character at that moment?

+other older reasons and the fact that kokichi wagon isn't getting off so I guess im here now

OkaPoka · Post Post #784 (isolation #88) » Sat Nov 03, 2018 6:48 pm

if that's how you want to think about it then you can believe that.

there are more reasons such as buddying, your weird early shade at me, but you saying fam was a red flag because it reminded me of how id try and play it off as scum.

if someone voted me out of left field as town id be like wtf are u a dumbass? while as scum id try and play it cool or just ignore it. i think you froze up a bit there and tried to play it cool.

also ur not voting kokichi which docks u a bit

OkaPoka · Post Post #785 (isolation #89) » Sat Nov 03, 2018 6:53 pm

that sounds a bit convoluted actually

VOTE: kokichi oma

OkaPoka · Post Post #788 (isolation #90) » Sat Nov 03, 2018 6:56 pm

nako just cuz kokichi is lynchbait doesnt mean he is town.
Mew have you finished your catchup?

OkaPoka · Post Post #790 (isolation #91) » Sat Nov 03, 2018 7:11 pm

leaning town on him for meta reasons which is kinda flimsy because meta is whimsical

but reading AP/Almost50 is hard and its the best i got

i had a post earlier in my iso i think about him

OkaPoka · Post Post #793 (isolation #92) » Sat Nov 03, 2018 7:31 pm

If you are willing to have an open conversation with me, I might be willing to vote BES with you.

OkaPoka · Post Post #796 (isolation #93) » Sat Nov 03, 2018 9:22 pm

In post 772, OkaPoka wrote:tchill why aren't you pushing kokichi w me.

tchill have u read all the pages yet.

tchill why do you want people to vote u.

thx mr t chill but i need the above questions answered otherwise im going to be bit worried about what you are doing to me rn

OkaPoka · Post Post #826 (isolation #94) » Sun Nov 04, 2018 9:24 am

@gamma

BES = NASO
Kokichi = Saudade
Dva or Tchill = OkaPoka (?)
Okapoka or Nako = Katyusha
Joey_ = Cheeky?
DDL = Aeronaut/gamma ?

Kinda where I'm at right now.

OkaPoka · Post Post #827 (isolation #95) » Sun Nov 04, 2018 9:27 am

Like literally this BES vs Kokichi thing (very similar conversation) just happened in DDU in NASO vs Saudade and we ended up lynching NASO instead of Saudade.

OkaPoka · Post Post #832 (isolation #96) » Sun Nov 04, 2018 1:58 pm

yeah a50, in my comparison bes would be town here and kokichi would be scum

@gamma did you read all of DDU?

OkaPoka · Post Post #834 (isolation #97) » Sun Nov 04, 2018 2:54 pm

@everyone who is on a wagon of size 1. Why? What's your gameplan?

OkaPoka · Post Post #835 (isolation #98) » Sun Nov 04, 2018 3:07 pm

Counterarguments to BES town would be that if Gamma or DDL are scum/anyone else who read DDU they could be coaching BES to act this way. But that might be a little paranoid.

OkaPoka · Post Post #844 (isolation #99) » Sun Nov 04, 2018 5:40 pm

Spoiler: nako

i think ur town and we are both possibly getting buddied pretty hard here and one of us is def on the wrong track for reads imo with our stances on kokichi

Spoiler: gamma

how much do you recall from the DDU game/how much did you read? Did you follow my NASO and Saudade comparisons?

In post 840, DVa wrote:Why is BEF BES btw Oka? What's the S for?

idk why but i guess i thought BES was the acronym

OkaPoka · Post Post #847 (isolation #100) » Sun Nov 04, 2018 5:48 pm

I'll write up a summary of DDU from my perspective soon to clarify my stuff, I just wanted to try and bounce stuff off of Gamma to verify my sanity and to see how Gamma thinks, but yeah I'll clarify it later ~

OkaPoka · Post Post #852 (isolation #101) » Sun Nov 04, 2018 6:45 pm

UNVOTE:

if this isnt a meme im an idiot

OkaPoka · Post Post #854 (isolation #102) » Sun Nov 04, 2018 6:59 pm

he kinda crumbed it earlier but im an idiot and ignored it as him just trolling

unless this is a meme of course

OkaPoka · Post Post #882 (isolation #103) » Mon Nov 05, 2018 3:22 pm

VOTE: brightEyedFish

OkaPoka · Post Post #885 (isolation #104) » Mon Nov 05, 2018 5:17 pm

In post 884, DVa wrote:
In post 473, Tchill13 wrote:I think alts are for people who can't evolve their game lol.

In post 883, Tchill13 wrote:Yeah I'm back to the usual d1. After PG 20 apathy is all I have for d1. I may change one day but not today.
k

which means ?

OkaPoka · Post Post #888 (isolation #105) » Mon Nov 05, 2018 5:34 pm

tchill are you even reading the thread?

OkaPoka · Tue Nov 06, 2018 12:15 pm

I don't think tchill is reading the thread which ironically makes him a detriment to town (its ironic if pp assessment of tchill's meta is correct)

yes this is shade and hopefully me calling him out will get him to answer my questions, even if some are outdated @tchill i want you to answer them as if these recent events did not transpire

OkaPoka · Tue Nov 06, 2018 5:18 pm

VOTE: tchill13

OkaPoka · Tue Nov 06, 2018 5:19 pm

In post 999, Nako wrote:I don't know why we are supossed to take claim from PP.

he is at l1 and a50 gave intent to hammer

OkaPoka · Tue Nov 06, 2018 5:20 pm

tchill is just ignoring me and not reading the thread

OkaPoka · Tue Nov 06, 2018 5:21 pm

In post 1009, Sephiroth wrote:He's not at -1 anymore doe.

oh
i guess i miscounted

OkaPoka · Tue Nov 06, 2018 5:28 pm

what does "clear's opinion" mean?

OkaPoka · Tue Nov 06, 2018 5:30 pm

joey wanna vote tchill cuz he isn't playing the game?

OkaPoka · Tue Nov 06, 2018 5:57 pm

to justify a pp vote even though he is making it clear he isn't paying much attention

OkaPoka · Tue Nov 06, 2018 6:03 pm

can you link me some tchill town games where he doesnt read the thread

OkaPoka · Tue Nov 06, 2018 6:07 pm

but his lack of responding to my questions implies that he isn't actually reading the thread

OkaPoka · Tue Nov 06, 2018 6:13 pm

ok mew

hmu with a very compelling case

OkaPoka · Wed Nov 07, 2018 2:14 pm

In post 772, OkaPoka wrote:tchill why
aren't
weren'tyou pushing kokichi w me.

tchill have u read all the pages yet.

tchill why do you want people to vote u.

In post 888, OkaPoka wrote:tchill are you even reading the thread?

@tchill

OkaPoka · Wed Nov 07, 2018 4:38 pm

Hey people on useless wagons.

Cut the crap and vote someone that matters already. We have 50 pages of content and obviously your wagon isn't taking off with the given information so I'd either suggest you introduce new content or get behind a wagon that'll move the gamestate forward. All these arguments are getting circular and repetitive and they don't do much at all except give more opportunities at town cred grabbing. now i get if you want to stand up for your beliefs and push who you think is most scummy, but the fact that people aren't being exactly swayed to your position means that its not going to happen with the given gamestate and thus we need to move the game forward. vote someone that matters or actually make a strong argument.

thanks.

OkaPoka · Wed Nov 07, 2018 4:40 pm

I'm voting tchill.

OkaPoka · Wed Nov 07, 2018 4:44 pm

You are voting third party and bloating the thread.

At first sure, but by now you have to realize that A50 wagon won't gain any steam.

OkaPoka · Wed Nov 07, 2018 5:14 pm

VOTE: BEF

OkaPoka · Thu Nov 08, 2018 12:23 pm

i too have intent to hammer tchill

OkaPoka · Thu Nov 08, 2018 1:36 pm

kokichi how about you just vote him and hammer him rn so you can get the powers of cool stuff

OkaPoka · Thu Nov 08, 2018 2:51 pm

VOTE: tchill

keep him at l1 and with intent to hammer so at least he doesn't have a lame excuse not to claim

OkaPoka · Thu Nov 08, 2018 4:09 pm

can we just lynch this? intent to hammer has been given, and you are refusing to dive into the game or claim.

also gamma

emotions are easy to fake

OkaPoka · Thu Nov 08, 2018 4:12 pm

because ___ ?

OkaPoka · Thu Nov 08, 2018 4:28 pm

tchill claim.

OkaPoka · Thu Nov 08, 2018 4:31 pm

In post 1351, Sephiroth wrote:oka: specifically I find the attempts to control the town when we had a good bit of day left feel out of place and like potentially scum knowing that either candidate is a mislynch. Like I literally had to tell you to shut up and let us do things, and the next few pages helped me sort several people. I don't understand your motivation for doing that as town there.

so you are into my wagon by operating under the assumption that these other wagons are town? you know something that we don't?

OkaPoka · Thu Nov 08, 2018 4:32 pm

VOTE: tchill13

welp thats hammer im done with this

OkaPoka · Thu Nov 08, 2018 4:33 pm

Tchill you red?

OkaPoka · Thu Nov 08, 2018 4:34 pm

now he can't appeal to emotion to save himself.

just give us the cold hard facts tchill. you red? or you going to stop typing now so you don't give up your buddies

OkaPoka · Thu Nov 08, 2018 4:34 pm

just give us your role now so we can have some twilight discussion, it would be nice too

OkaPoka · Thu Nov 08, 2018 4:35 pm

UNVOTE:

OkaPoka · Thu Nov 08, 2018 4:35 pm

VOTE: brighteyesfish

this is the right direction

OkaPoka · Thu Nov 08, 2018 4:39 pm

We have a shit tonne of wagon analysis to work with actually right now.

I brought the kokichi wagon and tchill wagon up as counterpoints, they both gained a shit tonne of steam as response to other dominant wagons. We probably have some deep wolves in here trying to save their partners.

OkaPoka · Thu Nov 08, 2018 4:39 pm

Are you fucking kidding me tchill. If you can full claim right now we have a lot of potential content we can analyze and hammer out. Shit joey_ and kokichi can talk it out in their mason thread.

OkaPoka · Thu Nov 08, 2018 4:40 pm

this is legit so stupid.

if you want content.

you can have content.

claim so the people who are playing can solve this game.

OkaPoka · Thu Nov 08, 2018 4:43 pm

intent to hammer tchill again.

i think nako might be scum here.

OkaPoka · Thu Nov 08, 2018 4:49 pm

nope that was hammer.

tchill just give us the role. town can do some talking to sort this out before mod locks.

OkaPoka · Thu Nov 08, 2018 4:52 pm

honestly gamma, have you ever took a moment and asked yourself if you should make a post before making it? like "what good is me making this post going to do?"

OkaPoka · Thu Nov 08, 2018 4:55 pm

because i want to get tchill to claim when he won't claim and you making your posts kinda defeats my agenda here. i dont see your rationale behind defeating my agenda soo yeah im a little frustrated

OkaPoka · Thu Nov 08, 2018 4:57 pm

tchill if ur actually an odd night cop and you did the whole retraction thing then you just fucked this.

giving us a pr claim now w investigative is one huge way to generate content. you would've been nk'd anyways, but we could have worked out a lot of wagon analysis and increased odds of landing on scum massively. if you don't die and scum wants to try and get you killed, then you also gain a free clear for us.

OkaPoka · Thu Nov 08, 2018 5:01 pm

yo.

if i somehow die.

do wagon analysis.

but DO NOT DO THE WHOLE ONLY 1/2 SCUM CAN BE ON THIS WAGON. THAT'S NOT REALITY FOLKS. IN FACT THERE ARE CHANCES THAT IT WAS ZERO OR THREE. SO DONT LOCK ANYONE TOWN BECAUSE YOU WANT TO FIT THE NARRATIVE OF A TWO SCUM WAGON.

thanks

OkaPoka · Thu Nov 08, 2018 5:02 pm

also fwiw there is zero way anyone should have any locktowns besides joey/kokichi.

if you do then reevaluate how you play this game because its garbage and if ur right thats just how chance work, don't pat yourself on the back.

OkaPoka · Thu Nov 08, 2018 5:07 pm

More notes:

Don't do meta reads unless you have actually played with the person multiple times. Meta is easy to manipulate, watch out for people who flanderize their own meta.
There exists no such thing as an interaction or many interactions that can't be SvS. Wifom exists.
Don't hammer test ever.
Stop shitposting, you degrade the quality of the entire game and let people get away with AtE rather than content.
preflip associations should not be attempted without mechanical clears.

OkaPoka · Sat Nov 10, 2018 6:28 pm

any people who know how to program and do fancy things with strings and stuff + has free time

OkaPoka · Sat Nov 10, 2018 6:32 pm

I'm about to do coloring vcs manually but if someone knows how to program/automatically color code them already then I don't need to manually do this

OkaPoka · Sat Nov 10, 2018 6:37 pm

if nobody does the color coding thing ill do it but here is

Tchill13 and BES should be green
I think putting kokichi and joey as green should be safe for now for purposes of VCA

Spoiler: anyways here is the "unformatted" text. tags will break w current vc style so i think this more unformatted text would be better to put in? has all the votes

OkaPoka · Sun Nov 11, 2018 6:24 am

wanna do hypoclaiming

OkaPoka · Sun Nov 11, 2018 7:03 am

If I'm an investigative role, Mewtaph came up clean.

If I'm any other role, I visited Joey_.

OkaPoka · Sun Nov 11, 2018 8:01 am

Spoiler: Colored VCS. Green for Tchill13, BrightEyedFish, Kokichi Oma, Joey_ (Though technically last two aren't guaranteed, for the sake of how Voting transpired, they might as well be mechanically confirmed town for day1

*Disclaimer, these vote counts do not accurately represent every change in voting pattern. Rather they should be used to view the game from a holistic sense (evolution of wagons). More detailed analysis should follow with individual isos and such.

@skitter30 can i have pagetop ive been waiting to make this post until i get pagetop

my pagetop!

OkaPoka · Sun Nov 11, 2018 8:30 am

In post 1553, DVa wrote:VCA only confirms what I already know which is that there's 2 scum in Sephiroth, Penguin, A50, and Mew

Thinking if we add in DrD we get 3 scum. Something about Penguin struck me as just a little bit townie when he was under pressure. Mixed feelings about A50's shitcase on me but I don't actually have a problem with a scumteam of DrD, Sephiroth + (something out of A50/Mew)

Sorry how do you know this?

OkaPoka · Sun Nov 11, 2018 3:42 pm

I'm not cc ing but a50 isn't thinking about the bigger picture

OkaPoka · Sun Nov 11, 2018 3:46 pm

Everybody needs to participate in the hypochlorite and think deeply about the implications of their claims to make sure we actually provide proper cover for the prs.

OkaPoka · Sun Nov 11, 2018 3:48 pm

Also outing yourself with a no result/innocent kinda defeats the purpose. The point is that if a PR dies during nighttime we can work with some material.

OkaPoka · Sun Nov 11, 2018 3:52 pm

The purpose is that if PR dies during night we can have their results and vanillas provide cover to draw possible shots. Honestly we only need to do investigative hypoclaims but throwing some protective hypos bc nightkill on bef is kinda sketch to come from maf

OkaPoka · Sun Nov 11, 2018 4:42 pm

@DVA, thoughts specifically on PP and Gamma Emerald please?

OkaPoka · Sun Nov 11, 2018 4:44 pm

OkaPoka · Sun Nov 11, 2018 4:54 pm

From your view: (Dva)

You are town
Gamma is town
Penguin is town

why would scum sephiroth abandon a PP wagon at L1?

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p10537918

or if u click on my colored vcs its 1.19. That means that the wagon would be an almost all town wagon minus sephiroth on town.

Not saying sephiroth is town here, but throwing it out there.

OkaPoka · Sun Nov 11, 2018 4:57 pm

why are we voting sephiroth before penguin tho

VOTE: penguinpower

OkaPoka · Sun Nov 11, 2018 5:07 pm

Yeah but voting is not necessary. If I were scum I'd troll A50 more here and try and get him madder until he does something dumb but try to moral highground him by saying like I'm above this nonsense and ur just being an idiot

but that assumes pp is town here.

i think we should lynch PP

OkaPoka · Sun Nov 11, 2018 5:10 pm

+PP's voting pattern is very lackluster and his iso is very boring.

OkaPoka · Sun Nov 11, 2018 5:13 pm

VOTE: sephiroth

choo choo

my analysis has been wrong like every step of the game.

sheep the masonry!

OkaPoka · Mon Nov 12, 2018 6:30 am

I made a post on hypoclaims but if not everyone does it there is no point.

Also it's laughable that sephiroth shades me for lurking

OkaPoka · Mon Nov 12, 2018 6:38 am

But it is? You literally said that I was partially lurking and doing nothing yesterday.

And your point about not wanting to develop reads. I sincerely doubted that it was impossible to have decent reads 50 pages in so yeah, ending the day earlier so we can reset mentally would be nice. If I were scum, Id love extra time to make my reads seem more genuine

OkaPoka · Mon Nov 12, 2018 6:39 am

Furthermore, feels like to me you didn't read me driving the kokichi wagon.

OkaPoka · Mon Nov 12, 2018 6:44 am

I'm literally not. I never said sephiroth was lurking. I'm refuting the claim that I was.

My play d1 was bad, yes. So it should be clear why I'm not leaving town anymore. But calling me lurking I'd just a like

OkaPoka · Mon Nov 12, 2018 6:44 am

Leading

OkaPoka · Mon Nov 12, 2018 6:48 am

In post 1655, Sephiroth wrote:
In post 1653, Sephiroth wrote:I can't independently sr you
on how shit your reads are.
I literally said I scum read you based on your rolefishing yesterday. You're such a disingenuous piece of shit sometimes you know that? Like honestly the quote doctoring you just did goes beyond scum vs town, its literally just being a shitty person and shitty mafia player.

Get your shit together. For real.

Mew if you resigned to the purpose off making snide remarks to people's garbage posts.

Why don't you call this mess of a post out?

OkaPoka · Mon Nov 12, 2018 6:51 am

Because it's what I do?

OkaPoka · Mon Nov 12, 2018 6:52 am

Why the toxicity?

OkaPoka · Mon Nov 12, 2018 6:55 am

Saying you have a history of abusing drugs doesn't give you the right to abuse it.

Especially if you are aware of it, no?

OkaPoka · Mon Nov 12, 2018 6:58 am

So if the DNC or GOP nominated a person tomorrow that was corrupt and bullshit, do you think that the party should call them out?

OkaPoka · Mon Nov 12, 2018 7:00 am

In post 1690, Sephiroth wrote:Like Oka wtf are you getting at? Do you toxicity is scummy or are you just trying to make me see jesus?

Does it matter Iif I think toxicity is scummy ?

OkaPoka · Mon Nov 12, 2018 7:03 am

Yes because he was being lazy about it and not playing the game.

We can form town blocs but people who don't play the game shouldn't be playing

Pedit: I could be interested in your take on toxicity to allow me to better understand your thought process

OkaPoka · Mon Nov 12, 2018 7:06 am

Because town wincon is to play the game and find scum while scum wincon is kill town. Scum lurking is playing to their advantage while town lurking isn't.

His d1 became a flanderization.

OkaPoka · Mon Nov 12, 2018 7:16 am

Self voting is a naive way of creating content and lazy too.

OkaPoka · Mon Nov 12, 2018 7:22 am

Kokichi do you have daychat with Joey?

OkaPoka · Mon Nov 12, 2018 10:32 am

In post 1728, DVa wrote:You also would have either confirmed or denied being ascetic by now but you're pretty clearly stalling on that for reasons that cannot possibly be town motivated

In post 1693, OkaPoka wrote:
In post 1690, Sephiroth wrote:Like Oka wtf are you getting at? Do you toxicity is scummy or are you just trying to make me see jesus?
Does it matter Iif I think toxicity is scummy ?

In post 1692, OkaPoka wrote:So if the DNC or GOP nominated a person tomorrow that was corrupt and bullshit, do you think that the party should call them out?

1 and 3 directed at mew

2 directed at sephiroth

direct responses please

OkaPoka · Mon Nov 12, 2018 10:57 am

I think toxicity is AI depending on the player, but my questions is more in the vein of do you care about my opinions? Like am I in the same boat as A50?

OkaPoka · Mon Nov 12, 2018 1:45 pm

@sephiroth, odds for scum on dva and gamma and pp?

OkaPoka · Mon Nov 12, 2018 3:45 pm

chances, likelihood, possibility etc.

OkaPoka · Mon Nov 12, 2018 5:06 pm

sephiroth i ask because if dva is green then PP wagon would have all green from your reads which begs the question, why wouldn't scum wanna just force that wagon through if PP town

OkaPoka · Mon Nov 12, 2018 6:32 pm

yo mew

how sure are you on the tr of sephiroth?

OkaPoka · Mon Nov 12, 2018 7:03 pm

this is the part where u vote sephiroth

OkaPoka · Mon Nov 12, 2018 7:25 pm

as scum id have more to work with so why would i bother with hypoclaiming to give the minds of town to work with

OkaPoka · Mon Nov 12, 2018 7:29 pm

fair enough but that implies you know it was a vig shot on BEF?

OkaPoka · Mon Nov 12, 2018 7:30 pm

claiming/hypoclaiming doesn't work if not everyone does it thus we aren't doing it anymore

OkaPoka · Mon Nov 12, 2018 7:31 pm

DDL? How do you know that BEF was a vig shot?

OkaPoka · Mon Nov 12, 2018 7:32 pm

No, don't back pedal on this. Your statement lacked qualifiers and you seemed pretty sure of it.

How do you know?

OkaPoka · Mon Nov 12, 2018 7:35 pm

Talking in scum chat to get somebody to pull you out of your scumslip?

OkaPoka · Mon Nov 12, 2018 7:39 pm

The basis of your scumread on me implies that based on no evidence at all, kill on BEF was vig shot.

Then you claim my motivation of hypoclaiming is specifically because I want to out protectives for masonry, when the purpose of hypoclaiming is mainly to get investigative role hypo-claims. There'd be no reason for protectives to hypoclaim.

Your hypothesis requires several leaps in logic
1) BEF was a vig shot based on __
2) Scum!me shot masonry
3) Masonry was saved
4) I'm willing to sacrifice my position to start hypoclaiming that has no guarantee of working
5) Everyone is willing to cooperate with hypoclaiming
6) town protectives will hypoclaim their town protections, rather than just investigatives

OkaPoka · Mon Nov 12, 2018 7:40 pm

and based on these several leaps in logic, I am a solid lynch.

I think you know something that we don't.

OkaPoka · Mon Nov 12, 2018 7:42 pm

Because having hypoclaims is nice in case that an investigative role gets shot without outting info?

OkaPoka · Mon Nov 12, 2018 7:46 pm

In post 1789, DrDolittle wrote:its also nice as scum to bait out information

which is why VTs are supposed to give good covers and not vote their supposed innos, ie I'm not voting mew.

OkaPoka · Mon Nov 12, 2018 7:47 pm

In post 1790, Gamma Emerald wrote:Like how does that imply KNOWLEDGE of such a thing? It implicitly states that he thinks that the case, but he didn’t say you were for sure hypoclaiming to fish out the role that stopped your kill. He just stated that was his theory.
VOTE: OkaPoka

can you link me where he says that before i make my post about me saying that the implying thing

OkaPoka · Mon Nov 12, 2018 7:54 pm

lmao i guess i did

VOTE: gamma

OkaPoka · Mon Nov 12, 2018 7:55 pm

he did*

OkaPoka · Mon Nov 12, 2018 8:02 pm

anyways case on ddl could be typed but alternatively you could go to the DDU game, go to page 2 of katyusha's iso, ctrl+f "stating" and see katy's case on me about stating motivations and creating narratives vs genuine scumhunting

gamma is just a player who
has no fire to their spirit. if ur going to vote me and call me out for my bullshit then you need to be a little more combative than that