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[Joey_]

Hi

[Joey_]

I by far enjoy playing scum more than town. I try to keep my scum and town game similar, employing a poke and prod style as both and throwing my vote around to a lot of different wagons trying to generate discussion. I'm more likely to lurk and flake out as town historically but I feel like I've fixed that recently by actively challenging myself to improve at that aspect of my game.

What do you mean by "a poke and prod" style?

[Joey_]

I by far enjoy playing scum more than town. I try to keep my scum and town game similar, employing a poke and prod style as both and throwing my vote around to a lot of different wagons trying to generate discussion. I'm more likely to lurk and flake out as town historically but I feel like I've fixed that recently by actively challenging myself to improve at that aspect of my game.

Noted

What do you mean by "a poke and prod" style?

I pick up on something someone posts, and I ask little questions about it, testing whether it seems like they're being truthful or not. Then I push on things if they don't smell right or the person seems like they're BSing. Read my play in mini 2038 (just finished) for an idea of what I mean by poking and prodding.

Can everyone give me what alignment do they prefer and describe their scumgame with few sentences?

Town, but im competent in both alignement. Id say im a wild card but very calculated

VOTE: Negan

[Joey_]

I by far enjoy playing scum more than town. I try to keep my scum and town game similar, employing a poke and prod style as both and throwing my vote around to a lot of different wagons trying to generate discussion. I'm more likely to lurk and flake out as town historically but I feel like I've fixed that recently by actively challenging myself to improve at that aspect of my game.

What do you mean by "a poke and prod" style?

I pick up on something someone posts, and I ask little questions about it, testing whether it seems like they're being truthful or not. Then I push on things if they don't smell right or the person seems like they're BSing. Read my play in mini 2038 (just finished) for an idea of what I mean by poking and prodding.

Noted

Can everyone give me what alignment do they prefer and describe their scumgame with few sentences?

Town, but im competent in both alignement. Id say im a wild card but very calculated

VOTE: Negan **

[Joey_]

what's that list above, Oka?

Doesn't really matter, why do you ask?

It kinda does, because it makes no sense unless you explain it?

I'll explain it when I think it's relevant?

Why do you need to know what it means?

To understand where your vote is coming from ? You cant expect to make content like that and not be asked to explain it

[Joey_]

Why did you vote Negan?

I won't answer your questions if you don't answer others

[Joey_]

Doubtful, you made the list w/o the info you are asking

[Joey_]

VOTE COUNT 1.1

Nako (2)

- Dva, Almost50

Dva (1)

- DrDolittle

Gamma (1)

- Sephiroth

Sephiroth (2)

- Kokichi, OkaPoka

Kokichi (1)

- Radja

Not Voting (6)

- PenguinPower, Nako, BrightEyedFish, Tchill13, Joey_, Gamma Emerald

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch

Deadline:

(expired on 2018-11-12 11:00:00)

Mod Notes:

- I did not count Joey's vote in 28 because i don't know who 'negan' is
- I assumed Kokichi's vote in 32 was a vote for Sephiroth

Negan is radja

VOTE: Negan=rad i like to nickname ppl

got it!

[Joey_]

Looks like he's making a ratio about good posts versus bad posts, historically no one cares about dead's opinion and no one will ever read your slot back to just sheep your cryptic read list page 3

[Joey_]

but rn its really just for me

If it really was, you wouldn't post it

[Joey_]

okay no more data posts cuz u ruined the fun

but for ruining the fun u get town brownies

I've been in two games were I was scum and won solely off the fact that there were lylo liabilties in town that entered lylo and cost town the game. So my "formula" is to find out who is going to be a lylo liability and essentially "policy" lynch them before hand. Also I wanted to be somewhat cryptic because I was aiming to get reactions that I felt would come out of town vs scum, and I know personally just exiting from a scumgame with some cryptic players, that its really scary to not know everybody's exact opinions as scum because those people are hard to manipulate being unpredictable and all. There needs to be a veil of illusion to deter manipulation and buddying, buddying is my fav tactic as scum cuz it can really carry you deep into endgame and only then does the paranoia set in but if you can sneak your way into lylo chances are you have a solid chance of winning as scum.

Kokichi has a pretty bad ratio so yeah. Also she has a bigger wagon than penguin so there is that too. Was hoping that this would be a bigger talking point before it was figured out but what can ya do.

It was pretty obvious once you only put yourself with 2 numbers, 1 in bracket implying the post itself

[Joey_]

Claiming mefia sub page 5 is not being a liability
>Implying you are going to policy someone (or people in general) because they are a threat to lylo

is

being a liability to your own wincon

[Joey_]

VOTE: gamma

[Joey_]

@sephora : to be fair, i think oda's vote was mostly his opinion on koki's posting in genreral, not the post itself but assuming its the case for nokia's vote

[Joey_]

Would you be willing to use my username instead of your nickname? I know its a thing you like to do but it bothers me

damn lol, nicely asked like that i cant say no

[Joey_]

You only have 3 votes on you. How's that "too many"??

Cause I'm scared

[Joey_]

VOTE: gamma

Gamma is town.

I hear you, but im fine testing the water myself

[Joey_]

I'm not sure if you got me right, I wanted to post 98 then 34 in the same post in order to show I'm answering to the question at 98, then I accidentally quoted 99 instead of 98.

Is making a joke about being scum at the beginning of the day being a liability and thus, deserve to be voted for that alone?

[Joey_]

VOTE: gamma

May I get an explanation? Feeling town on the vote rn, shows honest follow-up to earlier thinking

I really dislike your post about the liability thing, especially since the whole post is an echo chamber and shading gerry for something i disagree on. Also, you arent voting coherently when you basically agree that hes a liability and i dont remember you being shy of voting people early game.

@chicken : no what, be clearer if you want to be understood (general tip)

[Joey_]

pick the wrong lylo liabilities to hang because scum are able to use charisma to dodge lynches.

lmao that sum up why i think its a terrible plan, simply because more often than not scum is actively doing their best to not be textbook anti-town. Town wins when mefia are dead, not when the anti-town liabilities are

[Joey_]

VOTE: gamma

May I get an explanation? Feeling town on the vote rn, shows honest follow-up to earlier thinking

I really dislike your post about the liability thing, especially since the whole post is an echo chamber and shading gerry for something i disagree on. Also, you arent voting coherently when you basically agree that hes a liability and i dont remember you being shy of voting people early game.

@chicken : no what, be clearer if you want to be understood (general tip)

KOKICHI ISNT GERRY...LMAOOOOO
Although if he is multiple that lmao by 10

oups, i thought he was, my bad i guess

[Joey_]

pick the wrong lylo liabilities to hang because scum are able to use charisma to dodge lynches.

lmao that sum up why i think its a terrible plan, simply because more often than not scum is actively doing their best to not be textbook anti-town. Town wins when mefia are dead, not when the anti-town liabilities are

not really, no. pretty much anyone can really get away with being anti town until we reach lylo where suddenly anti town becomes an important deciding quality barring PRs and then since we didn't lynch all the non cooperative folks, we have to find who is pretending to be daft and who is actually daft. if i can bring discussion to this day 1 then we can be cognizant of this, deincentivising anti town plays or punishing those who refuse to adapt.

wouldn't say kokichi has entered that territory yet but its a warning and if we stick by this itll send a powerful message to anyone who wants to play that way.

@nako, personally im for "policy lynching" until I find a decent scumread to stick onto. but i use policy lynching lightly because it can be argued that I am scumreading people for being anti town, it just happens that its not too bad if they flip town.

i still think its silly and counterproductive but, its a better articulated post and i thank you for taking the time to be thorough with your thought process

[Joey_]

I find it amazing that anyone can say with certainty that someone else isn’t an alt absent those straight from the newbie queue.

Kokichi is probably scum right now. It’s a good way for me to start my reads.

Can you elaborate

[Joey_]

Joey are you always this conciliatory or only as scum?

I aksed him to clarify himself and he did so i thank him for that; its not being conciliatory. But to answer you question, im more pleasant and agreable as scum

[Joey_]

VOTE: penguin

[Joey_]

VOTE: penguin

What do you think about kokichi ? About drdollittle and his wagon? people on it etc, i wanna hear you

[Joey_]

Can you further develop on the koki baseline, what makes koki's content enough to be called a scum baseline? you really think hes scum until proven otherwise, what makes you that confident so early on?

You say you don't have enough to read drdolittle, but you think its fine if people vote him.. isn't that a bit contradictory? Or do you acknowledge people could get genuine reads from content you deem insufficient personally?

[Joey_]

Ah, that's what you meant by fine with the wagon

[Joey_]

Dva do i know you?

[Joey_]

Here's a premature read list

I think eddie murphy, tyrion and nokia are town
Gamma, oka and neegan are runners up but im being cautious
Rest i need more content

[Joey_]

Dva do i know you?

But you COULD get to know me!

What are you doing for Halloween?

I'm figuring out which 6 pages of a 32 page document I'm going to cut for a job application for a job I'm probably not going to get

FUN

Im also CloudKicker. I asked that because i thought you are being hilarious with the name calling and that i should probably know you already. For halloween, honestly i just went to the gym and cleaned my apartment; i recently moved in a new city for a job so i don't really have a social circle yet, sadly. How come you need a 30 page doc for a job application? Thats like half a memoire

[Joey_]

They wanted a writing sample cause it's a job that includes lots of writing.

Be careful tho, Okapoka might think that being sociable and friendly is a sign you're trying to buddy me.

To be fair, I can't take credit for Sephora, I think I saw someone else make that joke first and I just liked it.

Was koki, also a funny bloke and i cant be fucked if oka thinks being sociable is being a mefia

[Joey_]

Please stop calling seph Sephora. he already says he doesn't like it, and continuing to do so is a bit disrespectful.

Alright dr whiteknight

[Joey_]

here's 2 of me doing nothing all game
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=77301
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=77250

The second game is so utterly irrelevant in every aspect of meta reading, how could you think A50 would find this useful to sort you?

[Joey_]

@Joey I'm just joking around dude.

If you took the time to link those 2 games, why didnt you take the time to find 2 relevant games

[Joey_]

Nokia is rc?

[Joey_]

Ah nvm i misread that hard

[Joey_]

Dva can you elaborate about puffyfish imploding when pressurized

[Joey_]

Would recommend a kokichi vote to all undecided people, just check his iso to see if he has any desire to find scum.

Why is this scum behavior?

Because as town we really have two options to play, create information or analyze the information given to us. After all, we have no information to work with so we have to make use with what we have got. There is no sense of desire in kokichi's post to actually play the game in finding mafia, nor is there any activity indicating that he wants to create a healthier environment with more info for everyone else to work with. Leading me to the conclusion that he is my definition of a liability, he does not share the motivations all townies share, rather he is just making pointless conversation and probably hoping that his small talk can carry him a certain distance. Wouldn't be surprised if he hopped onto a wagon soon however, he needs to eventually give the appearance of him playing the game.

@Dva, locking in townreads day 1 for weakass reasons is how you lose games. People like to say they reevaluate all the time, but usually that doesn't happen until lylo. Until I can see evidence of you constantly reevaluating, I have no reason to trust that you will reread in an unbiased manner. Your either damaging town with your cocky attitude or your just buddying in so you can lock yourself into a very simple position to play as scum so you can fend off pressure easily. You can remove my suspicion if you give more solid reasons as to why Nako is doing things that scum is incapable of, but so far all your reasoning can be easily done as scum, its nothing out of the ordinary.

Koki hasn't exactly posted since the RVS phase ended btw. Also hes a much better player than you give him credit for, there's a reason why A50 and myself aren't outing reads on the guy as of yet, because he gets much easier to read the more you give him time. His alignment will be pretty transparent when town will need to vote correctly

[Joey_]

@Oka: OK.

VOTE: Koki

I will reiterate though that I'm not able to develop any reads of my own regarding Koki in particular, never pegged him correctly even once, and even indirectly got him lynched as a claimed PR and my own neighbour bc I couldn't decipher his play in early game and when I finally got it it was too late and the town didn't listen to me.

Then why do you even vote him?

[Joey_]

fun fact: if i townread everyone, most of the time ill be correct, so yeah. there is that.

@everyone who has played with kokichi and has a fair grasp on his meta, is joey right that kokichi becomes obv town as town? im not an expert on his meta so

Not obv as town, but they eventually gives enough content to be read correctly by most. I, personally can read him quite correctly and I don't recall ever being wrong on him for all our games together (at least 4-5 games). So if you think im town, give me to chance to read him correctly and step back

[Joey_]

You vote him so others (myself included) can read him. Im telling you i dont need said pressure to read him correctly and if anything, it might skew his judgment and his reads. And FTR, I fake claimed mason with him more than once because I hard townread his ass and he was being pushed on so trust me on that one

[Joey_]

Dva can you elaborate about puffyfish imploding when pressurized

Try it and find out.

VOTE: puffyfish accepted

[Joey_]

@a50 get your vote on here, im curious

[Joey_]

Good morning, how can I be of assistance?

Can you elaborate yourself about how "you implode" when pressurized

[Joey_]

lol, ill do my hws because "the thing" looks juicy

[Joey_]

@puffyfish Your play looks convenient and is underwhelming

[Joey_]

@puffyfish Your play looks convenient and is underwhelming

Understood, I'll be more present in this game now. I just got caught up somewhere else but that's no longer a distraction for me.

This is not an answer or reaction from someone thinking im leaning scum at all

[Joey_]

To further explain m#492, its overjustifying and compliant. IMO it feels like you know for a fact that my post has merit and you answer in a way to appease my qualms. If you thought i was a mefia, you would probably think my post is scum-agenda and not answer like that at all

[Joey_]

Alright, would you mind, pretty please, tell me why am i a little scummy right now

[Joey_]

What does pve mean in this context

[Joey_]

@joey can you link me some kokichi town games where he does this fluffposting early ?

He does that every game, thats not what is AI for him. I will link stuff once i get home

[Joey_]

I now townread more gamma and probably the little monkey, dva looks town too

[Joey_]

@joey can you link me some kokichi town games where he does this fluffposting early ?

He does that every game, thats not what is AI for him. I will link stuff once i get home

btw i retract that since im lazy and you guys were talking about his meta, but if you really really want me to dig i can (but im lazy)

[Joey_]

im also reconsidering tyrion

[Joey_]

btw i retract that since im lazy and you guys were talking about his meta, but if you really really want me to dig i can (but im lazy)

I still think Kokichi is town but if he's just going to shitpost we should stop defending him

Why should we stop defending town by your read ?

[Joey_]

the little monkey,

Kinda tired at this point tonight, who is this?

a50

[Joey_]

the little monkey,

Kinda tired at this point tonight, who is this?

pretty sure its a50

can we stop using fancy nicknames for people its getting really annoying to have to pull up the playerlist and have all their pfps open to see who everyone is referring to

no but i see your point and you are objectively correct, its just that the entertainment it gives me ranks higher

[Joey_]

the little monkey,

Kinda tired at this point tonight, who is this?

a50

why? what did he post that was AI?

Im gonna claim mirror tell on that one. I have always been having a hard team reading the monkey. You can disagree with my mirror tell but its when he exclaimed himself that gamma had towntold plus he said something like that to me in Civ mefia a year ago. So same phrasing + mirror

[Joey_]

Here's a premature read list

I think eddie murphy, tyrion and nokia are town
Gamma, oka and neegan are runners up but im being cautious
Rest i need more content

I didnt really change my read ftr, i just said i needed more content

[Joey_]

You can disagree with my mirror tell but its when he exclaimed himself that gamma had towntold plus he said something like that to me in Civ mefia a year ago. So same phrasing + mirror

I guess but why do you think something like this is something he wouldn't do as either alignment or fake for your benefit?

I doubt he would care enough to fake something for my benefit from a game over a year ago. Also, i doubt he would

need

to make another post just to reiterate that gamma towntold (when hes townread by some and scumread by other iirc).

I just think it was town behavior, but again im being cautious on the little monkey because hes a good player, but i know i hardtownread him correctly in civ so we will see

[Joey_]

lol that's a funny question

thinking about it, but so far we have usually waited for a reaction from the player we push before switching off

what your read on the monkey?

[Joey_]

probably the little monkey

you arent wrong, but again i had no reason to out a townread on monkey for weak stuff as a dirty mefia, its much more likely i had a genuine mirror moment and that i try to play for my wincon by giving towncred to someone i think is town

[Joey_]

No I wasn't saying you're scum faking a townread, I was saying he was potentially scum faking a townread

although I guess townreads often seem like bullshit, meh

Heres the quote im talking about :

@Joey: I honestly don't care much about the "details" you've been about in your recent posts (or rather don't care about discussing/inspecting them). All I'm going to say is WELCOME TO MY TOWN BLOCK. That helped a LOT, so THANK YOU for obv!Towning.

I think i recalled he used the words "Towntold" but what felt the same is that he was being enthusiastic in finding town, you know? That what i felt there with his towntold post

[Joey_]

Why aren't you dancing with nako

Why do you assume they arent already dancing? logicalslip

[Joey_]

Hey Joey: when was the last time you played with me?

Im guessing Civ mafia, i havent played in a year of forum mefia

[Joey_]

I'm retracting my towncase of Kokichi

I'm not getting to this game until tomorrow evening I'm afraid.

I've skimmed through and I think my votes is in a good spot right now.

Tomorrow evening has come and gone. Do you even know where your vote it atm. I don't think you are paying attention at all.
I still like my A50 read but I think we need to get Radja back into the fold one way or another.
VOTE: Radja

Honestly hate this post for some reason and I'm not even sure why. Feels fake

Its because the tone sucks

[Joey_]

Its because the tone sucks

Do you think Fish is fishy?

Im always biased by tone more than i should, sometimes it help me find mefia, sometimes i confbias on players that just sounds fake as either alignement. That being said, fishy's tone sucks and i read one of his other game as town and imo it was better there, so maybe? Im actively trying to read his content and not confbias

[Joey_]

It is Radja, DrDolittle and Tchill or Seph.

My poe atm is very close to that, id trade fish/penguin for tyrion tho. I think tyrion made shitty posts as town tbh

[Joey_]

interesting and valid points from all sides.

but what town motivation is there to simply ignoring/dodging questions when asked repeatedly but demonstrating that you are watching their posts? What town motivation exists to essentially troll people you are townreading?

I'll tell you the scum motivation.

It's to tilt me/frustrate me. And when people get frustrated they lose their edge.

Ive done that as both alignement but mostly as town and just to spite ppl so take that behavior with a grain of salt

[Joey_]

So what, koki is a notorious troll

[Joey_]

And it doesnt sabotage his win con you see, hes not even being wagoned and neither was i

[Joey_]

Joey do you think he posts this bad as scum? Like admitting to just OMGUS and just voting to stay alive.

idk the guy but honestly his last 3-4 posts were outright honest and im inclined to tr them even if it show a survival mindset that is normally linked with scum

[Joey_]

It is Radja, DrDolittle and Tchill or Seph.

My poe atm is very close to that, id trade fish/penguin for tyrion tho. I think tyrion made shitty posts as town tbh

@Koki : i think we should work in that pool

[Joey_]

@gamma

BES = NASO
Kokichi = Saudade
Dva or Tchill = OkaPoka (?)
Okapoka or Nako = Katyusha
Joey_ = Cheeky?
DDL = Aeronaut/gamma ?

Kinda where I'm at right now.

What do you mean? Why am I Katyusha?

Like literally this BES vs Kokichi thing (very similar conversation) just happened in DDU in NASO vs Saudade and we ended up lynching NASO instead of Saudade.

You know what? I don't even know what you're talking about, but I'll trust and sheep you.

VOTE: BEF

Now I expect some to question my vote on BEF when I say I'm sheeping Oka. I had my own suspicion on BEF from earlier, and I only backed off bc DVa reminded me of something.

But I also very much understand Oka's approach (although not the incident he's referring to), and I know I have been there myself once too many where I pint out something being a scumtell based on my own experience and even provide links to previous incidents and still nobody listens. It has been 66.667% successful in nailing scum on a precise tell, and 75% on another.

So, while I can't say for sure if it's the exact same thing here I know it has to have a higher probability of nailing Scum still. In otherv words, I'm not "blindly" sheeping a read, but I'm rather sheeping a "scum hunting technique" that I'm very well familiar with.

Odd that you are overjustifying this vote while you switch it 3 posts down in the thread. Why koki
over the fish?

[Joey_]

Oka can you drop the ddu game analogies or explain them better because its noise for me and i cant read your posts correctly

[Joey_]

UNVOTE:

if this isnt a meme im an idiot

I was being adamant about him and despite that and his softs, you still pushed the claim

[Joey_]

I hardclaim that koki is my mason partner, next time l2read

[Joey_]

UNVOTE:
Since we claimed i will reread and out my reads more clearly tomorow when i have time

[Joey_]

I townread Oka, Beta and DIVA, nokia and monkey in this order

I would like to go for a power town move/lynch over lynching a liability/nullish slot when it gives little info

[Joey_]

Koki you should post your exhaustive read list

[Joey_]

[bote]sephiroth[/vote]

I think penguin reacted the same way when i get pushed on as town so. I also find seph post ungenuine tone wise

[Joey_]

VOTE: sephiroth

[Joey_]

I think the way you aproached penguin, the wagon and his reaction all coherent with a scum mentality and wincon

[Joey_]

That tyrion vote was also pretty shitty @oka

[Joey_]

I think the way you aproached penguin, the wagon and his reaction all coherent with a scum mentality and wincon

weird fetish but ok

Way to dismiss clear’s opinion

[Joey_]

Also showing up with promises f catching up and all you do is vote the higest wagon while not scumhunting at all on any other slot

[Joey_]

Joey, are you seriously mason with Kokichi?

Yep, his claim was shit but its real

[Joey_]

Because my vote and voice has weight? You should care

[Joey_]

@seph

[Joey_]

@PP: can't y0ou ever learn to trust me? Scum are using you for a good distraction. REMOVE YOURSELF FROM THE BLOODY LYNCH POOL is all I wanted you to do. Capiche? I don't need to rolefish and you know it (based on our previous encounters), but you know what? I don't care anymore. Do as you will.

I'm willing to vote Tchill ot Mewtaph now. I just wanted PP to claim so we can move along as I'm sure enough he's not scum at this point.

You still think seph behavior is town?

[Joey_]

what does "clear's opinion" mean?

“Opniong of the clear slot”

[Joey_]

joey wanna vote tchill cuz he isn't playing the game?

Hes 2nd place on my list atm

[Joey_]

I did catch up. And I posted my read list. You're wrong about my entrance and vote.

Is that what you wanted me to say? Like I'm not sure what I'm supposed to do other than dismiss a read that I know is wrong and doesn't make any specific accusations as to what shows scum mentality and wincon. I think you're tunneling me because you don't like my tone and don't understand my meta. So I'm just going to ignore it until you wise up.

Indeed, im a tone reader and i might be biased. The reason why i havent been precise is because im on my cell

[Joey_]

VOTE: tchill

@nokia : can you reiterate your mew/neegan read

[Joey_]

mew looks town boys

[Joey_]

Yeah

The composition, the speed, the counterwagon, the deadline, the interactions? what dont you like

[Joey_]

My wild 2/3 is DrD + tchill and someone i havent found yet

[Joey_]

@Tchill : Can you claim since you are L-1

[Joey_]

Lol the kill

[Joey_]

so is that a vig shot and we had a doc save on a mason or are scum going for max wifom?

Disnt think about this one, assumed was a scum target

[Joey_]

massclaim on D2? dont make me scumread you Nako

What do you think of that kill?

[Joey_]

massclaim on D2? dont make me scumread you Nako

What do you think of that kill?

Why are you asking this here?

Actually its about a very specific question i asked him in said chat

[Joey_]

I wont yet but it was regarding other pr reads of mine

[Joey_]

Also, truthfully, i fully expected one of us to die and not such a suboptimal kill. So the vg/save theory makes sens imo, people should claim their actions if relevant

[Joey_]

Also, truthfully, i fully expected one of us to die and not such a suboptimal kill. So the vg/save theory makes sens imo, people should claim their actions if relevant

That seems like a dangerous move imo

indeed, in my previous games normally masons gets hit and pretty early

[Joey_]

I would like a flip between DrD and sephiroth, what do you guys thinks ?

[Joey_]

VOTE: seph

[Joey_]

Theres a vig in setup, monkey's claim is real and I or koki was probably saved

[Joey_]

If I'm an investigative role, Mewtaph came up clean.

If I'm any other role, I visited Joey_.

I don't get why we're voting Seph. If Mew is Ascetic then THIS is more suspicious. Again, Investigative vs any other role is a crumb of an investigative, and is giving a clear on a virtually Ascetic.

Also, if the GS is the "strongest" Investigation role, then why the hell do we need another investigative to begin with?

Also also, it was Oka who started the hypo claiming process. If he's NOT an investigative, then why does he even bother?

wanna do hypoclaiming

VOTE: OkaPoka
Maybe because he indeed visited me? hes the one who proposed it maybe because hes the one who needs the hypo claim?

Yes.. I'm going to play my own game now. Feel free to sheep or disregard.

[Joey_]

If I'm an investigative role, Mewtaph came up clean.

If I'm any other role, I visited Joey_.

I don't get why we're voting Seph. If Mew is Ascetic then THIS is more suspicious. Again, Investigative vs any other role is a crumb of an investigative, and is giving a clear on a virtually Ascetic.

Also, if the GS is the "strongest" Investigation role, then why the hell do we need another investigative to begin with?

Also also, it was Oka who started the hypo claiming process. If he's NOT an investigative, then why does he even bother?

wanna do hypoclaiming

VOTE: OkaPoka

Yes.. I'm going to play my own game now. Feel free to sheep or disregard.

Maybe because he indeed visite me? hes the one who proposed it maybe because hes the one who needs the hypo claim? **

A50 its a very bad reason to vote the chicken but i do get that an investigative claim + calling mew not-asceitc is a cc to you

[Joey_]

I have a considerable amount of townreads honestly

If oka/dva are mefia, they are playing extremely well
a50 is a townread and his claim + crumb are fine
Nako i dont think wouldve hit BEF there as mefia and looks town to me, this is a slot i could be wrong but i doubt
Mew : towny, tone is good
Gamma : i think he towntold earlier and showed his town play

DrD : unsure here, might be a mefia
PP : Same, need more content but fall in my poe
Seph : Gut scumread, the moment tchill started to towntell when hammered i immediately told myself that it was an error and i shouldve stayed there

PS : some are superficial reads, some arent. I have been considerably busier since we started the game so i am less active, so i prefer everyone gives their input than to just sheep me

[Joey_]

@seph
I take the criticism and i will reset my reads, will reread later tonight
UNVOTE:

[Joey_]

I really hope the masons are masons and not just pulling a gambit. As has been noted they haven't really been shining stars of town play since claiming.

Being claimed mason makes me lazy and less competent, hence why i hate claiming and was pissed for being outed

Also, im really busy atm and only have an hour or two at nights to read so im doing what i can do

[Joey_]

So, I think there is a a lot I'm not going to get a good grasp on because I wasn't here. While I get kokichi and joey's ambivalence due to their claim, I don't like the aftermath From what I remember Joey is a 'in the moment' reader like me.

I'd really like to hear more from him in particular.

Yes i prefer to be extremely active and see the posts unfolds over reading 2-3 new pages at the same time. Only catching up is just not my playstyle and its giving me a hard time trying to read

[Joey_]

Prodge, i dont think i can keep up with my active games atm

[Joey_]

Hi Dva

[Joey_]

Plot twist

I recently got a short-term contract at my new job which explains why I have been less active and much busier. That being said, I don't feel like my slot is pursuing its wincon like it could and should, therefore, I will be replacing out

That being said, I am sorry koki and I would have loved to have more time and feel confident in my reads on you but it's just not the case in this game, I am not invested enough to feel competent

>I fakeclaimed mason with koki for numerous reasons, i made a little notes for you guys in the even that i had to explain myself :

Spoiler:

Hi, so i made that note @ 2:30 am just after unvoting the fish so the game hopefully slow down a bit, people will unvote koki and fishy wont get hammered before i get to control the future days a bit.

So, since i decided that i hardclaimed mason with an heavily fosed slot, i feel like i have to justify myself and prepare something that is thoughtful and exhaustive enough so i don’t get insulted for playing against my wincon (if i get killed n1 i will post this in GY) or ridiculed for my poor choice if koki turns up to be a dirty mefia.

Lets talk about mechanics. I hardtownread Gamma and oka, i dont think theres a world where those 2 ever flip mefia. That being said, Oka is an annoying chicken and hes very loud, hes pushing on Koki, a slot i can read, and distract everyone else from actual scummy people that can be an issue; namely anyone who are great at lylo like a50, seph and the likes.

Uno, I, personally, think that using the whole day to remove a readable slot that can help a lot as town, is bad for town.

Secondo, if i can clear, even temporarily koki, from everyone’s mind they might make more relevant content and find the mefia instead of focusing on him.

Thirdo, i think our D1 is naturally laid out in a way where its very believable we are indeed mason, making the claim even more tempting and relevant.

Quatro, the claim itself is a non issue. Like DVA said, i expect koki from baiting to be killed so hes either VT or a pr who gains from getting targeted. Either way, i am playing for my wincon by letting koki be a target (since hes fosed) and potentially playing into koki’s plan to bait a kill.

Cinquo, its D1 and its the beginning of the game, we have like 2 Mls so its a great situation to fakeclaim trying to get some edge over the mefia. Also, if any of us dies it confirms that the claim is false, so i couldnt clear koki’s w/o having the power to retract my claim, even in death.

Sexto, i hope you guys stll love me and think i made a good decision (hopefully hes town like i said).

That being said, i expected one of us to die anyway but the longer i kept the claim, the longer the wagon analysis and other pr claim credibility will be affected. Like an investigative role with masons is much rarer, hence the 3 claims ish makes more sens from my pov of fake masons.

Dont be mad at me please and do not just turn on koki for no reason just because he isnt clear anymore, that would be just stupid. I also claimed obviously because I wont let my replacement go back on my claim and try to justify my reasoning

@Mod : Replace me please