micro 833: a coalition (D O N E)

[Raya36]

Hey everyone!
Sorry about missing the first bit.

skitter30 is also possibly town as well for inquiring about yurikojasmine's potential language barrier as opposed to using it as an excuse to push her

I have to agree with this. Scum could easily put some suspicion on jasmine's tone and if that was caught by scum I feel like they wouldn't bring it up and argue for it to be nai and instead save it as a point towards a potential push.
I don't think this is a good enough point for a town read but I'm leaning a little towards town on Skitter for this reason.
HEAL: Skitter30

I also like this post in general from Wanderer. The points may not be particularly strong but it's early in the game and I see a genuine effort which is a good sign so townlean here as well.
HEAL: The Dark Wanderer

i mean, there's really not much to elaborate

on

as of now and i would prefer to let people play without the influence of whatever i have to say

saying anything about my scumreads now is neither convincing enough to get them lynched nor reliable enough for me to want to lynch them nor do i believe it is helpful in my ability to read them better later (the opposite of that, in fact)

so i guess for now i'll just shrug and say "gut"

The whole thought process of this post seems very town oriented to me. There is no attempt of any sort of push or even creating a little suspicion even when asked for reasons for her scum reads. The logic given in the post is heavily oriented towards getting good reads as well which is towny.
HEAL: northsidegal

I'm a little wary of Tes right now. He seemed to jump in with a lot of scum reads and very little analysis on who town could be. Not necessarily scummy but it definitely stood out to me when a big part of this set up is finding town, especially in the first day.

This was just some of the things that stood out from a quick read. More to come soon

[Raya36]

HEAL: DVa

Any reasoning for this?

[Raya36]

Summary of where I'm at rn:

Northsidegal, Skitter30, Dark Wanderer, Yuriko
DVa, Gamma, Music
TesXX

[Raya36]

HEAL: Yuriko
HEAL: Myself

[Raya36]

HEAL: northsidegal
HEAL: Gamma Emerald
Btw anyone else notice TesXX has me in his coalition despite scumreading me?

VOTE: Gamma
Yo guys join me on this pretend wagon.

Any reason for wanting this? Do you find Gamma suspicious?

[Raya36]

HEAL: northsidegal
HEAL: Gamma Emerald
Btw anyone else notice TesXX has me in his coalition despite scumreading me?

VOTE: Gamma
Yo guys join me on this pretend wagon.

Any reason for wanting this? Do you find Gamma suspicious?

Post is bleh. I get the "helo twonies pls voet thees waegon ok" vibes.

What do you think about Tes? Do you at least think it could be a valid wagon?

[Raya36]

No, I don't believe so

[Raya36]

@robot
Here's my read list from earlier with a few small changes. I need to look back over some of these though so this isn't final. Also would you mind explaining/summarizing your DVa read? If I'm not mistaken I remember you saying that you were going to put explaining that read on hold?

{Northsidegal, Skitter30, Dark Wanderer, Yuriko}
{robot}
{Gamma}
{DVa}
{TesXX}


I can already tell robot is going to be hard for me to read but I'm getting a slight town lean as of now

it's hard to put words to but i strongly read dvas entrance as scum and every post that she has made since then has made me feel more sure of that read. inactivity has nothing to do with it.

I'd be interested to hear more about this read. Also wouldn't mind hearing a bit about your tesXX town read.

I have mixed feelings towards DVa. Nothing has stood out to me as particularly scummy but also nothing has stood out as particularly towny. Which raises some alarms considering the amount of posts she has. There have been some posts that I looked at and thought that she could really be town but then I realized she could really be scum for it too. It would be worst an iso dive sometime soon I think. (Not a fan of 208 or 215. Both times she was called out for something and she responded by voting or hurting.)

(Somebody help! How do you link posts again?? It's been so long )

I would support it, patching in Gamma Emerald instead of TDW and pending further interactions with TesXX in particular.

you would support it?

that raises an interesting question that i'd like to put out to everyone: who would be willing to support a coalition that didn't contain themselves in it?

This is an interesting point. The only ways I can see it is town overlooking the fact that they aren't in it or not thinking about that. Could have been focused more on agreeing with the reads and forgot they should be in it too. The next option would be scum with their partner in the list. All they want at this point in the game would be a coalition with one of them in it. If he is scum and his partner is in the coalition he wouldn't care if he was in it or not. Not like a townie who would want to make sure they were in it to gauruntee 1 of 5 slots to be town.


@Gamma
Could I get some reads from you? I'd be particularly interested in TesXX, DVa and Yuriko but any stronger reads will do.

[Raya36]

i see little purpose in voting people when i intend to win this game off of the coalition without needing to lynch anyone.

Saw this when looking back through the thread. Just wanted to mention that it's just as important to vote this game as it is to form a coalition. If we don't win with the coalition lynching can tell us a lot. Especially if we lynch scum. My main focus right now is to figure out who town is but it's still important to scumhunt.

[Raya36]

Curious about the progression here. I don't believe you said too much about Yuriko but he goes from bottom of the list to top.

{nsg}
{GE, TDW}
{Raya, Musicjax, skitter}
{TesXX, Yuriko, DVa}

I'm just going to start my coalition with the people who i feel like will most likely not be leaving it.
HEAL: Yuriko
HEAL: Raya

[Raya36]

Quick reassessment of my coalition, figured I might as well post it with my thoughts

{skitter30, The Dark Wanderer, northsidegal, YurikoJasmine, Raya36}

Starting with my most confident read (besides myself of course)

Dark Wanderer: I'm happy with him in my coalition for sure. The way he jumped into the game immediately asking questions and appearing to actively scumhunt and give reads makes me relatively confident in him being town. I also like the reassessment of his reads which shows that he isn't simply looking for someone to scumread but instead looking for scum. I also agree with almost all of his reads which makes me lean more town on him as well.

northsidegal: Like Dark Wanderer I agree with most of her reads which automatically gives me a slight town lean. This read is based more on gut than anything but I do like how she appears to be scumhunting and her thoughts come across as natural.

Skitter30: This is more of a gut read as well. He seems to be actively scumhunting and appears to be putting in a genuine effort. This is a slot I need to look more into later though when I have a but more time but for now he will be a weak town read.

YurikoJasmine: I feel less confident about this read. 95 is her first and only post with content. Besides that I only see quick questions but I never see follow ups. I haven't checked to see if there was actually much to follow up on in terms of the responses given but I find it surprising that she is mostly just asking questions but not actually responding to any answers. Removing her for now.
HURT: Yuriko

[Raya36]

Some thoughts on TesXX as well since I'm procrastinating working on my assignments. So why not.

I'm still sus of 48. Scumhunting is important still as I mentioned earlier but I find it a bit odd to jump right in with only scumhunting and seemingly no attempt to find town when the focus should be forming a coalition.
I also don't agree with some of the logic in his 48 either. He called Gamma out on his first post which I really don't think is ai.

Besides that post though after going through his iso nothing particular stood out to me either way.


Some adjustments as well:
HEAL: robot
VOTE: DVa

[Raya36]

Why is that?

[Raya36]

Elaboration would be nice?

Robot will be one of my harder to read slots this game for sure so anything would be nice

[Raya36]

If either of you want to talk assist me with this, I am available. ^_^

I am up to talk about DVa. Do you have any slightly more specific thoughts on her?

(Somebody help! How do you link posts again?? It's been so long )

[post] post number [/ post]

(without the space between the '/' and 'post' in the ending tag)

I thought the first was [post=number]. Thank you!
(Did I refer to you as he? I'm sorry, won't happen again)

Besides that I only see quick questions but I never see follow ups. I haven't checked to see if there was actually much to follow up on in terms of the responses given but I find it surprising that she is mostly just asking questions but not actually responding to any answers.

i kinda disagree, i think she's been following through on several of her suspicions (asking where nsg was, waiting for me to answer her early question before she gave an opinion on me)

Hm, maybe I should look back into this again then. I'll try to do that tonight but if not, tomorrow.

[Raya36]

I was thinking more so referencing to specific posts so we can talk about those rather than the entire iso?

[Raya36]

With respect to your coalition: I do not trust skitter, and I am hesitant to include TDW in any coalition.
Though I do like your reasoning for town-reading both, enough to think that you are likely town. I just believe we are approaching this puzzle in different ways!

Skitter is a weaker town read so I am flexible there as of now. I strongly town read TDW though. Why are you so hesitant with both of them?

Also one moment to read and respond to your post on DVa lol

[Raya36]

I think that he is hesitant with me because he knows that openly townreading me leaves him in a dead end as to how to get one of himself/DVa into the coalition.

That's an interesting theory. Don't you think there are easier targets than you in the general coalition though as far as getting him/his scumpartner in the coalition if he was scum?

[Raya36]

That could potentially be possible. I'd like to hear what he has to say to this

[Raya36]

Could be possible. Not something we could know for sure without knowing his allignment obviously but I'm willing to consider this.

[Raya36]

@robot

On DVa
You said that the individual times that she lacked re-evaluation it wasn't ai but do you think overall the consistency of not re-evaluating would be?

I think the claim of being busy is legitimate. Too easy for someone to check.

On TDW

Do you think her suggestion of you and DVa being partners is reasonable?

Why don't you care if you're in the coalition?

[Raya36]

On DVa
You said that the individual times that she lacked re-evaluation it wasn't ai but do you think overall the consistency of not re-evaluating would be?

I think the claim of being busy is legitimate. Too easy for someone to check.

Maybe? I think the way she checks herself presents as more indicative of playstyle, than alignment.
Sorry that this feels unfruitful. I am finding it really hard to parse.

What do you think of the consistency of her not re-evaluating other slots?

I think it can be hit or miss. Scum do it and town do it. On it's own it doesn't mean too much to me but with other things it could point towards scum. I do need to look back into her iso soon though to see if it is something that really stands out to me as well before I come to any conclusions.

On TDW

Do you think her suggestion of you and DVa being partners is reasonable?

This setup can be won without every member of the town being in the coalition. I have been programmed to be aware of the prevalence of unconscious automatonophobia, so do not expect humans to be able to feel highly comfortable about correctly townreading me.

<I can explain this out of alt-speak if you'd like >

Wouldn't it be natural though to want yourself in the coalition. Sure, we can win without all members of town in the coalition. We only need 5. But putting yourself in the coalition and only having to find 4 town is much easier than having to find 5 and ups the chances of being correct.

[Raya36]

Fair enough. I still stand by what I said with or without a gimmick although I don't see much potential scum intention behind this so I'll let it slide

[Raya36]

Skitter30 I see Robot saying that he is being doubted because of his gimmick the opposite way, I feel that he is making an excuse for why he is being seen as wolfy to discredit the wolfreads on him.

This is a valid point but my problem with it is that it makes it harder for scum!robot and his partner to get into the coalition by nearly limiting it to only his partner being able to get in. Unless his plan is reverse-psychology and he's saying this to hopefully get town read. Either way this just goes in circles the more you look into it so I'm not going tos spend too much time speculating and just call it nai.


HURT: robot
Removing robot from my coalition since I'm becoming less sure about this slot. I'll look back into soon but for now I'd like to keep my coalition filled with only more confident reads.

[Raya36]

What are your thoughts on NSG?

[Raya36]

What are your thoughts on NSG?

I think she's scummy and the inactivity doesn't help

I mean why do you find her scummy?

[Raya36]

(Sorry about the inactivity. Things got busy. Will be here at some point tomorrow to post)