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Post Post #1135 (isolation #0) » Thu Nov 29, 2018 2:10 pm

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In post 1132, northsidegal wrote:if we never get to the next pagetop... we can never lose.

group pact?
sounds good for me :lol:

I was pretty weirded out by the fact that day 1 still hasn't ended, but I guess something must have happened.

I'm reading the game from the start, but it would greatly help if three players do give me some resume about what happened and etc.
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Post Post #1139 (isolation #1) » Thu Nov 29, 2018 2:12 pm

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In post 1136, the worst wrote:o hey welcome Nibbui!!
yo duckling :wink:

are you a town good boy this game?

please be!
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Post Post #1145 (isolation #2) » Thu Nov 29, 2018 2:13 pm

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In post 1138, the worst wrote:ye sure your slot is scum with Not_Mafia :)
I'll be here for like the next 10 hours or smth on and off; wanna jam about stuff while you catch up? <3
Having Not_Mafia as scum partner would be quite fun but oh well...not this time :lol:

Sure, I'm like in page 2 and DRW, Gamma, Tsexx and DWa are the most suspicious guys
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Post Post #1146 (isolation #3) » Thu Nov 29, 2018 2:14 pm

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In post 1144, the worst wrote:
In post 1139, Nibbui wrote:
In post 1136, the worst wrote:o hey welcome Nibbui!!
yo duckling :wink:

are you a town good boy this game?

please be!
oh my god are you who I think you are
haha :lol:

I think yes
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Post Post #1151 (isolation #4) » Thu Nov 29, 2018 2:15 pm

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In post 1137, northsidegal wrote:guys stop!!!
you can't stop the spamming once it starts! :cool:
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Post Post #1153 (isolation #5) » Thu Nov 29, 2018 2:23 pm

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Woah, Tesxx and DRW are so scummy at least until page 4 that it's scary

More so Tesxx, he is like, coming too strong. DRW kinda seems like scum a bit inexperienced (my opinion :()

Gamma being mildly scummy
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Post Post #1154 (isolation #6) » Thu Nov 29, 2018 2:25 pm

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not wait, it's not DRW, I meant TDW
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Post Post #1156 (isolation #7) » Thu Nov 29, 2018 2:31 pm

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In post 1147, northsidegal wrote:i had nibbui as who he actually is before he actually even made any posts in-game :lol:
I was afraid of rolling scum here if you weren't to be my partner :lol:
In post 1149, the worst wrote:FUMUREII?!?
yup :wink:
It's been a while, how are you


ps: sorry for using the wrong names before, I was writing way too quick I guess. When I said DWa I meant DVa and DRW as TDW. Sorry.
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Post Post #1158 (isolation #8) » Thu Nov 29, 2018 2:35 pm

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In post 1155, the worst wrote:talk to me about what you don't like from TDW in the early pages? some pointers on TESXX would be cool too but less essential
He's feels like me and a lot of new players when getting to roll scum for the first time. NSG mostly pointed out but he would be always throwing reads easily and asking questions kinda lamist like "what are your reads?".

About TesXX is mostly because he is very disagreeable but seems more focused on disagreeing and throwing shade over some other people post than getting a organical read on them.
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Post Post #1159 (isolation #9) » Thu Nov 29, 2018 2:36 pm

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In post 1157, the worst wrote:<3 I've been amazing other than missing you!
How've you been my friend? Hope the real world has been treating you nice.
Things are getting better I guess :wink:

Can you actually give me a quick resume about how the actual game state?
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Post Post #1166 (isolation #10) » Thu Nov 29, 2018 2:52 pm

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Oh my god, for serious, too many typos

I'll try to write slower, sorry.

is kinda good and bad at the same time. He circles a lot there but it's not like what he's saying doesn't make sense, just wish he was more straightfoward.

Honestly, I'm going to be a bit slow here, I feel like I'm starting to rush a little too much just to get up-to-date and not analysing properly the mindset of some posts that at first glance seem irrelevant (I'll probably be online for the next 4 ~ 5 hours though, so I'll read it all still today).

About the game state...mmmmmh, honestly, I'm confident I can show you guys that I'm town if Yuriko didn't say anything so scummy unintentionally! So let's wait a bit more :wink:
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Post Post #1168 (isolation #11) » Thu Nov 29, 2018 3:05 pm

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I think it is helpful to actually try to read this game imagining what scum strategy is.

Since they need to put one of themselves in the coalition, do you think scum has been going for a strategy of one staying out of it and one inside, or do you think they would try to get them both in the coalition?

In this specific game I mean by the way. Like, what do you think the possible scum teams are doing (don't consider only me/NM, think about scum teams you think are possible as well).

I would appreciate if not only the duckling answered this by the way.
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Post Post #1171 (isolation #12) » Thu Nov 29, 2018 3:16 pm

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In post 1170, the worst wrote:I have a few possibilities for what scum could be doing. anything on your mind?
I asked you because I'm quite in the begin, even with your resume it's not easy to grasp what scum team might be up to and who they are until you've read it all.

I dunno about what you said though. When I read the rules I too thought that evading the two members being inside the coalition was the best way to go about it, however I don't know, I'm working the details out on my head to see if it wouldn't be good to actually have the two of them inside the coalition, willing sacrifice one of themselves later to actually justify saying that the last scum might be out of the coalition (that would be generally the most scum read players, and easiest to push).

But meh, maybe I'm being too paranoid and I'm not going to scum hunt trying to divine what they are thinking. Not even sure that it's optimal to do what I said above since reads on mafia games can vary greatly between days, even more when one scum is flipped and everybody is looking for associatives.
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Post Post #1173 (isolation #13) » Thu Nov 29, 2018 3:56 pm

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I would post my impressions of other players posts but that would take too long and I don't think it is that helpful.

Have ended page 8 and I'm this is the most important news:

I feel that DVa is trying to put her own coalition foward but without really reconsidering the people on it. It doesn't sound much like someone that is worried about the coalition failing, but more like someone that want to get create a consensus of town reading the people she indicated. I mean, part of this is every town objective but the way she goes at it seems kinda rash and unnatural. I dunno if it's because of her personality or because of her aligment though. What you yourself say about that DVa? :?

probs robot feels town superficially but mmmh, I think a experienced scum player can fake that with a bit of effort, yes.

Skitter is being reasonable.
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Post Post #1174 (isolation #14) » Thu Nov 29, 2018 4:07 pm

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You know, if Skitter/Tesxx aren't partners I might reconsider the two of them and town read both.

Skitter is town reading like, Tesxx and Yuriko instead of going with the consensus at that time. It just feels like her in Jungle Replubic thinking I'm town for being so erractic. I feel like Skitter does those uncommon reads as town, dunno about when she rolls scum.

Tesxx I have less confidence, but I feel he's being too straightfoward

DWa is saying to Skitter "you didn't explain your read on Tesxx" when she actually did, kinda erractic.
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Post Post #1176 (isolation #15) » Thu Nov 29, 2018 5:04 pm

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In post 234, The Dark Wanderer wrote: i am surprised that of all the people in this game i am the one being floated as a deep wolf.
No, honestly you shouldn't be that surprised in my opinion...
Although you feel kinda towny, to me it sounds like you're playing kind of by-the-book and being very easy on your town reads, kinda like DVa.
We keep wondering if it's genuine or not I guess.
In post 267, probs a robot wrote: I correctly townread Musicjax and thought his alignment was very obvious.
obvious is a pretty strong word... (later I read his own town case and took this with less salt)

DVa sounds sketchy but I dunno if that's really scum, it's even more straightfoward than Tesxx since I would you can argue that Tesxx was more of a ruthless type :?

Ray sounds kinda superficial

Robot still a hard read

middle of page 13, time for a coffee :yawn:
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Post Post #1181 (isolation #16) » Thu Nov 29, 2018 5:27 pm

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In post 1177, Gamma Emerald wrote: Hmm these highlighted things look kinda off. They’re the same points I used for my retread do it seems imitative.
wot

Sorry Gamma I don't ever remember you doing that since I've not seen you play that much, actually, I kinda copied it from NSG some time ago when I read her games. It makes easier for you guys to follow of what I'm talking about in my posts.

Need to ask though, what would be "off" if I actually was coping you? :?
It's just a way to optimize catching up?
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Post Post #1187 (isolation #17) » Thu Nov 29, 2018 5:48 pm

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In post 1182, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 1180, the worst wrote:can you show me where and talk me through why?
You saw my fucking retread, why are you playing dumb?
???
I'm not playing dumb at all. I really have no idea what you're talking about, and there's no reason for me to lie about that as either aligment. I probably don't remember it at all.

and like, you still didn't answer me what would be "off" if I was actually using a similar method to yours
to organize my catchup
? (that you can check and see that it's more similar to NSG's)

I'm kinda...wtf...
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Post Post #1192 (isolation #18) » Thu Nov 29, 2018 6:10 pm

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In post 1190, Gamma Emerald wrote: TW was playing dumb. I was trying to respond to two people at once.
And I don’t recall NSG using those numbers. It’s the numbers that struck me as odd.
She used to use at least when catching up a lot after replacing. I can stop reading the game to go search for it but...really Gamma?

Also, you still didn't answer me what is remotely suspicious if I was to use a similar method to make my catchup more understandable? :neutral:
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Post Post #1196 (isolation #19) » Thu Nov 29, 2018 6:17 pm

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TDW insisting that people should town read remember me of myself :lol:

It's a bit town indicative to me, but maybe he is just trying to take over the some pseudo-leader position to decide who goes to the coalition and who gets lynched afterwards because I don't feel great insight or genuiness in his reads. Even his tunneling about robot doesn't seem genuine imo.

I'm probably scum reading Raya, yeah, she circles around too much for me.

It's not because Gamma critiqued me just now but I don't see him in a good light. I waited a bit to see if he engaged in the game however it's page 15 and there's very little Gamma, although DVa doesn't doubt for even one moment her read on him.

Interesting enough his outburst seems more town than scum for
now
, I mean, is Gamma erractic enough to shade me for that as scum? :?

Although I need to say it's not organical.

HURT: everyone

HEAL: Northsidegal
HEAL: Nibbui

I'm wondering if I should add Skitter or Tesxx but I've become less enthusiastic about it.

TDW is kinda forming a exclusive-entry fanclub right there where you need to townread him to get in...

I feel good about NSG, not as town as I wanted her to be, but townier than the rest of the playerlist.

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Post Post #1198 (isolation #20) » Thu Nov 29, 2018 6:18 pm

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In post 1193, northsidegal wrote:sorry that i keep talking about not the actual game but you have no idea how much it flatters me to see someone who read my past games and took inspiration from them :D
not pocketing you but I like your town game :wink:
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Post Post #1200 (isolation #21) » Thu Nov 29, 2018 6:21 pm

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In post 1197, Gamma Emerald wrote:Anyway:
What are your reads rn Nibbui? Any posts you find important?
I'm reading more players considering collectively the posts, I can't go focusing too much in each posts if I want to catchup soon.

The most remarkable ones are the ones that I quoted I guess, there's a lot that I would like to quote about Raya and her infinite circling but they are mostly walls so...nop..
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Post Post #1206 (isolation #22) » Thu Nov 29, 2018 6:26 pm

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In post 1201, the worst wrote:
In post 1196, Nibbui wrote:Even his tunneling about robot doesn't seem genuine imo.
spicy
catch up and talk to me about this
I don't need to say much more than this I think:
In post 1202, The Dark Wanderer wrote:tw he's just scum
From what I've seen until now, Yukino didn't post that much, and he was even in a certain moment "town reading" her, but because he was scum reading robot he simply said "welp, Yukino might be scum as well", like, he wasn't looking for the slot individually and unbiased at all, and I feel that is the same thing he was doing to robot.

He didn't seem worried about constantly re-evaluating robot posts to see if they were scummy or not, he just seemed to be trying to create a narrative, create a fanclub town reading him around himself and booomm, crusade the game.

He only engages robot to say "you're scum". That's no healthy, and doesn't sound genuine.

Another example is his 180º on DVa when she sounded to be able to scum read robot and be more friendly with him.
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Post Post #1209 (isolation #23) » Thu Nov 29, 2018 6:31 pm

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In post 1204, The Dark Wanderer wrote:due to circumstances i am not able to spend as much time on this game as i'd like but i would like to express that i am as certain that nibbui is wolf right now as i have ever been on a read
I'm kinda curious about what I said to be make myself the most confident read in your mafia's history...

Or maybe you're kinda being overemotional with that adjective... :neutral:
In post 1204, The Dark Wanderer wrote: at some point i'll try to case it but i'd rather we just treat the slot as confirmed wolf until we can flip it and confirm it
I don't mean to be ofensive but that only works when you have top grade scum reads, like Elli. If you start ignoring someone just because you're suspicious of them, you won't be able to re-evaluate...

I tried that in a game and it didn't work at all :(
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Post Post #1211 (isolation #24) » Thu Nov 29, 2018 6:38 pm

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In post 1207, The Dark Wanderer wrote: also we're lynching nibbui outside of coalition if the coalition fails: trust me on this.
Like, he is trying to do EXACTLY what I said he could be trying to do

But welp, if no one wants to argue more before saying "that's the solve" I'm not picking a fight at all, I just wanted to play with some guys here.
In post 1205, the worst wrote:did you have a chance to re-acquaint yourself with our warm meta? (I won't push on this; just curious how you're reading me given we have indeed played before)
mmmmh, I haven't read many games those past days at all. I have read some bits though.

I'm reading you kinda null, you can be just convinced that it's nm/nibbui but maybe you have some evil intentions, not sure which.

One thing I need to say though, I expected you to try to read me more instead of drawing back if you are town.

I mean, do you consider me a hard read?
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Post Post #1212 (isolation #25) » Thu Nov 29, 2018 6:40 pm

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In post 1210, the worst wrote:
In post 1206, Nibbui wrote:He only engages robot to say "you're scum". That's no healthy, and doesn't sound genuine.
Do you hard townread me/robot where you're at?
do you think my slot's town based on your catchup?

he was concerned I was a vastly more skilled scum player and wanted to exclude me from the coalition due to difficulty in reading me

the explanation for not-coalitioning me acrually worked for me :? Wbu?
Nah, it doesn't work for me when not only he says "you're suspicious, so get out of the coalition" as well "if the coalition that I was so sure fails, I still want to call the shots on the lynches and refuse to re-evaluate from there".

That is just a no no and it baffles me that you aren't seeing it :(
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Post Post #1214 (isolation #26) » Thu Nov 29, 2018 7:12 pm

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In post 1213, the worst wrote:yeah it's abnormal play for MafiaScum (he's also not from MS), I'm not sure why you think scum!him does that though?
because it seems to have scum motivations and it's the best place scum can be in?

I don't think he might be necessarily scum though, and he even can be right about the coalition or NM, but the fact I have seen him using a logic I don't find reasonable and seems to have a bias complex, leads me to believe he is either being used by scum or is scum himself.
In post 1213, the worst wrote: and yeah I think I can read you a little but you have a bit of unreliable meta energy.. so far you're kinda nullwolfy though but your slot is also wolflean
Why nullwolfy? can you go into the details of how you see me right now?
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Post Post #1216 (isolation #27) » Thu Nov 29, 2018 7:50 pm

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Oh wait, I might know who TDW is with the december thing :neutral:

no surprise he's insistent if I'm right...

I know you've a lot of confidence but you're really wrong on me, if you're town it would be good to reconsider it a bit :/
In post 571, northsidegal wrote: the naive approach is to think "why would scum care about getting me to play the game? it's better for them the more i lurk and ignore this game, so it seems like TDW must be someone who knows me, who believes in my ability and who actually wants my help in solving the game."
I can see where you're coming from and I'm reconsidering the slot, he gained some town points

still, I feel like he might just say that as scum because he wanted you to play as well, despiste that supposedly going against his wincon?

Dunno honestly \(' - ')/

If he is who I think he is, he ~might~ be town here, but it's going to be
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troublesome if he is scum considering the position he already has in this game.

If he is town though I hope I can coast around :cop:
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Post Post #1217 (isolation #28) » Thu Nov 29, 2018 7:52 pm

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Was that perhaps why you were listening to him TW?
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Post Post #1218 (isolation #29) » Thu Nov 29, 2018 8:03 pm

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Kinda a surprise though to see him on this site huh...

nice to meet you again TDW :wink:
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Post Post #1220 (isolation #30) » Thu Nov 29, 2018 8:13 pm

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Meh, I still don't quite like the TDW vs robot

Either way I read him that's not changing. Kinda of a playstyle crash I guess.

page 26 and I'm coming to terms that Skitter may be town just as TDW.
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Post Post #1222 (isolation #31) » Thu Nov 29, 2018 8:53 pm

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Sup

I'm on page 35 and kinda tired of reading

already skimming some posts

game got stalled for sure there

DVa post about replacement kinda got me, but you never know

It would help if I could get a good read on Gamma, my PoE list and Coalition would be thankful
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Post Post #1226 (isolation #32) » Thu Nov 29, 2018 9:01 pm

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In post 1223, the worst wrote:where are your reads at now?
NSG/TDW/Skitter/Me/ and one more probably wins the game.

As I'm scum lean though I guess we are on NSG/TDW/Skitter and I can't get as confident on my reads on the remaining slots. Might need to do some ISO review afterwards.

@NSG, by the way, what do you think that it's characteristic of town-Raya play and scum-Raya play? Majority of her posts seemed too shy to take a stance :(
In post 1224, the worst wrote:that's..... a lotta reading for one go :0
No joking...
It's pretty late here already
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Post Post #1227 (isolation #33) » Thu Nov 29, 2018 9:03 pm

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In post 1225, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 1222, Nibbui wrote:
Sup

I'm on page 35 and kinda tired of reading

already skimming some posts

game got stalled for sure there

DVa post about replacement kinda got me, but you never know

It would help if I could get a good read on Gamma, my PoE list and Coalition would be thankful
Jeez where was this version of you in Lynch the Wolves
haha :lol:

sorry that I replaced out there, it would be pretty fun to actually scream in the thread just as much as I was screaming in the dead thread for Math & Titus lynch :lol:
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Post Post #1229 (isolation #34) » Thu Nov 29, 2018 9:11 pm

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In post 1228, Gamma Emerald wrote: Were you spoiled? Don’t lie cos I’ll find out. If you weren’t spoiled you’ll gain a lot more credibility in the accuracy department
I wasn't, I personally asked for Mastina to not spoil me.

My reads are kinda luck based though, there's games that I do average but there is games that I don't get scum at all :cry:

I even was saying for the mob lynch and Creature to vig Arc9 in the dead thread (that was scum as well) :lol:

But like, at around the same time as that game, I was playing a mini normal modded by Espeonage and didn't get a single scum right :(

(Duckling fooled me good there)
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Post Post #1231 (isolation #35) » Thu Nov 29, 2018 9:15 pm

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I can feel a bit of towniness on TW/robot slot but I'm kinda reserved about it...
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Post Post #1236 (isolation #36) » Thu Nov 29, 2018 9:32 pm

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In post 1232, the worst wrote:I feel like your reads are largely accurate and pure except you get thrown out of orbit a bit when you're distracted in the flow of the thread (I don't think you had any idea I was woofin the one time I rolled scum against you because I just pocketed you d1?)

just musing tho
I wasn't 100% but I was like 95%. I just looked on you at that Espe game and thought "nahh, scum!duckling here would talk a lot more, this is pr duckling for sure". Then when you claimed I thought "yeah, 100% town duckling". Never would have caught you at all if not for the mechanic problem.
In post 891, skitter30 wrote::lol:

ftr the first time i thought i figured it out i was thinking a50
then i was confused
then i thought it was you (i realized non-north-american timezone)
and then you pranked me with vizzy
and then i went back to check spelling (flavour, recognise, etc)
and then i settled on you again
and then you talked a lot about my meta

and then i just like knew it was you
I too thought first about a50 for the emojis
afterwards I was wondering if it was really Vizzy because it was a 180º on personality
When robot said "skitter is one of my top favorite players on the site" I just thought "ahhhhh, it's duckling isn't it?" :lol:
In post 1235, the worst wrote: this was a very Yuurei post I guess, largely I think your alts read pretty different tho
yeah, I think each alt has their own meta although has similarities.

I kinda want go to sleep but there's still quite some pages left...
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Post Post #1240 (isolation #37) » Thu Nov 29, 2018 10:22 pm

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I mean TDW, some rebuttal main points here

1- I'm actually fishing for a coallition without either me or nm because I know you guys aren't going to put me, and I don't town read NM's slot
2- Raya is a "universal" town read mostly because NSG said she is? I saw most of the players not confident there
3 - I was waiting to finish my catchup to remove myself and put other people in the coallition, and it's not easy to decide between 2 of "Gamma, DVa, Irre, NM, TW". They are hard reads and I'm mulling it over, therefore need all the content I can get.

If you want to think I'm appealing for you go ahead, I just thought I met you once in MU but I guess it might be someone else...

there's like, 4 more pages I think, wait a bit
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Post Post #1241 (isolation #38) » Thu Nov 29, 2018 10:24 pm

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The reason I put myself in the coalition by the way is because I truly believed I would be able to spell my towniness for you

fail I guess
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Post Post #1242 (isolation #39) » Thu Nov 29, 2018 10:29 pm

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In post 968, skitter30 wrote:
In post 965, Irrelephant11 wrote:someone talk to me about dark wanderer
was hilariously obvtown early game
This...I just can't get it. I don't think TDW was that much towny in
early game
, I only felt it got better afterwards, and you've been saying that since forever and with a lot of confidence, never wavering. Don't you think that what TDW did in early game was fakeable and not-so-critical with his reads?
In post 1024, Irrelephant11 wrote:I've read 80% of yuriko and tex by reading the first 7 pages, yes?
I've been reading Gamma's ISO alongside reacting to new posts
so he goes straight to the ISO of people being suspected when he replaced in? :?

He is pretty smooth, interesting.
In post 1105, DVa wrote:HEAL: DVa, The Worst, NSG, TDW, Gamma

This has been the gamewinning coalition for the entire game

Everyone fought me on the worst
everyone fought me on gamma
now everyone's fighting me on me

but this is still the best d1 win

you wanna do skitter's coalition, then get it fucking done so when it fails I can lynch her
Mmmmh, this looks really bad DVa...sorry if you're town though, it must have been pretty frustating.
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Post Post #1244 (isolation #40) » Thu Nov 29, 2018 10:35 pm

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So I've finished I guess...
welp, that tired the hell out of me honestly

HURT: Nibbui
HEAL: Skitter
HEAL: TDW

so, I don't trust either Irrelephant, DVa or NM. I would say TW and Gamma would be my shots but I kinda want to hear more of Gamma

NM is unreadable for me
DVa sounded too desesperate
Irrelephant was too much trying to put himself and DVa when repped in, I need to review what he has been doing right now, if he has changed opinions I can reconsider (yeah, I skimmed a bit the last 2 pages)
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Post Post #1245 (isolation #41) » Thu Nov 29, 2018 10:39 pm

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In post 1243, The Dark Wanderer wrote:you just made potshots at 3 more people, one of whom was me.
on the last post I actually said that you weren't so towny in
early game
, I even put it in italic. That's what I don't like about your playstyle, if I'm your scum read ok, but stop deliberately getting worked up and trying to fit everything in the bad guy narrative :(

About the others, can't I question them? It's not like don't still have doubts about them, I'm voting for them because they sound the most town, not because I read all of their actions as town :?
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Post Post #1246 (isolation #42) » Thu Nov 29, 2018 10:46 pm

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ok, so I just checked the Votecount and TW, DWa and Gama are all voting for themselves. Irrelephant coliation isn't complete though so he could still vote for himself.

haha :lol:

you guys all calling me scum but you're pretty suspicious yourself:lol:

I might get a lot more from mechanics I guess, later or if I feel energetic right now I'll start to mull over some actions.
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Post Post #1248 (isolation #43) » Thu Nov 29, 2018 10:51 pm

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This setup is perfect for some wifom on who the scum team might be...

:thinking:

The worst, why DVa instead of skitter?

Irrelephant, would you be ok with voting for DVa or would you insist in voting for yourself?

(I'm kinda considering myself and NM out of the question choices from now on)
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Post Post #1249 (isolation #44) » Thu Nov 29, 2018 10:58 pm

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In post 1247, Gamma Emerald wrote: Voting for yourself is suspicious how...??!?!!?? Like, their needs to be agreement on a group of 5, it’s pretty likely one of those group of five will be voting for that group
In fact it’s literally impossible from an arithmetic standpoint for no one in the coalition to vote for themselves for it
This feels kinda shady but maybe you’re just not used to this sort of thing idk...?
I get it, voting for yourself raises the town chance of winning, but it's also essential for scum to put themselves or their partner in.

Gamma, that reminds me, you didn't answer me why you actually thought it was so *off* me using a similar system to catching up (and I already explained that that wasn't the case as well).

I mean, I can kinda imagine you wanting a reason to drop your read on Yukino and get a more popular coalition with yourself inside? Not that I can't see a town pov.

I'm mulling it over.
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Post Post #1251 (isolation #45) » Thu Nov 29, 2018 11:11 pm

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It's actually rather convenient you guys all believe in me and NM being the scum team so consistently, and even more that almost everyone has throw shade to my side.

Since I'm not going to vote for myself or NM, I guess we can say I'm pretty neutral-looking-figure on the whole thing?

that's kinda nice in a certain way :wink:
In post 1250, Gamma Emerald wrote: And don’t think that scum I’d just self-heal. Last time I played this setup I was scum and I actually went against the grain of your theory with the hope of swinging people around towards including me (it failed). So I’m open to more unconventional plays than you might expect.
Nope, let me make this clear:

If I ever vote on myself or NM here in the coalition you can just go about lynching me, I won't, under any circunstances, change this claim

It's a risk gamble since town could end up realizing I'm town later and we accidentaly get scum in the coalition, but it doesn't seem like the case.

Therefore, it's better to make a oath.

By doing this oath, since you guys think the NM/Nibbui, you can forget about us entirely and focus the rest of the day sorting between [Irrelephant, DVa, Gamma, TW], since I think that

(NSG, TDW, Skitter) is the common ground.

We can even debate Skitter if the needs come so.

Therefore, forget my and NM aligment, treat me like a treestump from now on :wink:
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Post Post #1252 (isolation #46) » Thu Nov 29, 2018 11:13 pm

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Also, no one should heal me either. :wink:

Let's sort before those other guys

Happy TDW? :lol:
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Post Post #1253 (isolation #47) » Thu Nov 29, 2018 11:46 pm

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so...mmmh, let's have fun thinking who is the scum team, since I just proved it isn't NM/Nibbui.

Any thoughts on who they might be?

I'll re:read some parts and post later whatever I find.
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Post Post #1256 (isolation #48) » Fri Nov 30, 2018 6:50 am

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Just woke up and there was something a bit wrong with me yesterday, I was sleepy and tired of reading so I got throw off more than I would like by the commotion, even more when I had to at the same time catch up with around 42 pages in one-go.

I suppose I'm more cool-headed now and can even deal with TDW without getting worked up, maybe.

I still kinda feel good about the oath, although I know it's not as functional as I would like it to be.

I overestimated a bit Skitter/TDW towniness on second thought, I keep not liking how Skitter never wavered on her TDW read because it's not clear for me yet how you couldn't doubt even a little him, I ~~confused~~ TDW with someone I know and that messed up my view on him a bit, I don't think it's wrong to find fault on some of his motivations or actions, like how he handed some reads easily and aggresively suggested to people around him to put him in the coalition (If NM is scum the other partner needs to get in the coalition doesn't matter what way).

That said, with the exception of NSG they might still be my best shots here for now.

I don't think it's a bad idea to think scum can be bussing each other by arguing like Irrelephant suggested, {TDW & TW} and {Skitter & DVa} aren't impossible despiste all arguing. Maybe it's exactly to insert only one of themselves in the coalition at the same time of distancing themselves from their partner.

Irrelephant keeps smooth as ever for me, and that's not necessarily scummy, but neither towny. He's good.

Gamma it's your time to shine, every town-good-boy is craving some enlightning posts from you.
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Post Post #1260 (isolation #49) » Fri Nov 30, 2018 2:26 pm

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In post 1259, Gamma Emerald wrote:So like, if you want more, ask specific questions?
who are you willing to heal for the final post in your coalition?

Possible scum teams now that NM/Nibbui is impossible?
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Post Post #1262 (isolation #50) » Fri Nov 30, 2018 9:21 pm

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In post 1261, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 1260, Nibbui wrote:
In post 1259, Gamma Emerald wrote:So like, if you want more, ask specific questions?
who are you willing to heal for the final post in your coalition?

Possible scum teams now that NM/Nibbui is impossible?
Why is NM/Nibbui impossible; because you made a decision to try and “confirm” yourself? I don’t trust the reasoning behind that.
I mean, I don't know what to say to you. If the scum team was NM/Nibbui I would be basically game throwing or at least playing very anti-wincon. :neutral:

The unique possibility for it to not be a game throw is for me to be waiting you guys to think I'm town for it and heal me, but not only that seems extremely improbable for me, I'm as well here asking you guys to roleplay with me and not for a second entertain voting for either me or NM in this coalition. :(
In post 1261, Gamma Emerald wrote:As for my final coalition I’d like NSG, I want DVa and skitter too, don’t see why there is a dichotomy between them. I also want TDW. Relly could swap in for one of those or take my place I guess. You, NM, and TW are slots I just don’t want in.
Yeah but these are your thoughts that I already know of

I was hoping you would get the NM/Nibbui out of your mind and look at the game at least a bit different since even if one of (NM/Nibbui) is scum, if we aren't scum together it means that scum team is playing in a entirely different way than you are all imagining.

But yeah, kinda didn't work I guess :(

Idk what to do anymore to change that tbh, doesn't seem like we will progress any different with this mindset so maybe we might just as well move to voting for the consensus coalition with the actual mindset and compromissing one slot or another to reach 5 common ground.

Also, question about the mechanics (anyone can answer this). Do we get to know if the coalation for day 1 failed for the first lynch?

and if we lynch inside the coalition in the first day (knowing or not if it succeeded) , does the coalition automatically fails or something?
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Post Post #1268 (isolation #51) » Fri Nov 30, 2018 10:46 pm

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In post 1263, Gamma Emerald wrote:Coalition comes before lynch so we’ll find out if it fails before day 1 lynch and flip
I see
In post 1263, Gamma Emerald wrote:And even if you’re 100% sincere about you and NM not being a team, you could still be paired with anyone else, so it doesn’t change the fact you’re individually scummy, and the fact you’re focusing on the team implications rather than individual reads really reflects poorly on you.
My point is that team implications are a good way to look at the current situation as well
in this game particularly
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If one of us are scum, it means our partner would be all on their own and would
never
concede to be out of the coalition :wink:
In post 1264, the worst wrote:I'd say the best way to disprove that team is to just omit both of them from the coalition.
Like, yes, that is the whole point of my proposition but ok :(
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Post Post #1270 (isolation #52) » Fri Nov 30, 2018 11:43 pm

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In post 1269, DVa wrote:
HURT: NSG
HEAL: Nibbui
Like, you kinda messed me up here :(

I was
right now
looking on your ISO and reconsidering your slot but now I feel like it will look like I'm trying to pocket you and my arguments are going to be seen from a biased view

You should unheal me though. Let's try to compromise somewhere else today :wink:

Also, It would be good to put NSG back on it, it's true that she isn't as engaged as early but lately I have the impression (and her sign kinda shows it), that she isn't as engaged in the games as she used to be. Her activity aside, her posts seems townie, I would be surprised if she was scum here.

I kinda feel that if Skitter isn't your partner you might be town by the way. Only one of my points: healing me right now is a bad move if you want your coalition to succeed, since no one will compromisse on me and neither I want to get on it. That said, you yourself are one of the few people willing to put your name on the coalition, so if you wanted to get in no matter what, you probably vote to the same coalition as TDW (that has you on it) while convincing Gamma of voting on that coalition as well (and that would be 3/5).

I feel that if your partner isn't skitter, you have some good chances of being town.

I don't know if I want you in the coalition for other motives I'll explain though. I feel that if we get you in the coalition and it fails, you're the first one to go while I think that we can get a town read on you by possibly eventually a flip on skitter.
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Post Post #1271 (isolation #53) » Sat Dec 01, 2018 12:05 am

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I feel as if

NSG/ TDW/ Skitter/ DVa/ Gamma is the coalition with most chances of town winning day 1.

I don't like the way it'll probably unfolds if it fails though.

DVa and Gamma feel to me as slots that are able to be more easily pushed than the rest, and I'm not sure on Skitter, just as I don't discard TDW deepwolfing, to possibly waste 2 lynches when if Skitter ever flips town I'm confident that DVa is town.

NSG/TDW/Skitter/Irrelephant/TW feels too dangerous though, it's clear that after failing we will probably lynch Irrelephant, and afterwards it's Skitter vs TW. It's not a so good post-coalition situation for me.

For now though Skitter and TW are town reading each other and they seem to be reasonable good on it, my concern is Irrelephant, however I'll trust for now NSG's read on Raya, because although I would like to switch Irrelephant with DVa, I'll only do so if we're adressing Skitter vs TW first.

That's it for me I guess

HEAL: Irrelephant
HEAL: The worst

My towniness scale on that coalition is

Town
NSG

Kinda town
Skitter, TDW

Meh
The worst, Irrelephant
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Post Post #1272 (isolation #54) » Sat Dec 01, 2018 12:11 am

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Like, perfect solution for me right now would be NSG/ TDW/ Skitter/ DVa/ Gamma

If it fails we lynch until a scum flip:

Gamma --> Skitter ---> TDW

I'm confident that even if it fails, we can at least 100% lynch scum there

But meh, I don't think I can get what I want here.

I'll compromise on that coalition of you guys.
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Post Post #1274 (isolation #55) » Sat Dec 01, 2018 2:24 am

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In post 1273, the worst wrote:Nibbui speak up if I'm being a bit slow here x

during the vig game I remember the main reason you became a "must lynch before lylo" as Fumuki was that he was making some stubborn and seemingly strong, nuanced pushes but after long enough it started to look like he was just pushing the same arguments over again as though it was a clear-set path?

does this make sense and do you agree/disagree? do you get why I'm still pretty uncomfortable with you here?
Yeah, I think that is a portion of it. Maybe there was still some hope for me there if NSG hadn't vigged Shadow on n1, but I def wasn't on good legs :(

Coincidentally these days I was bored and decided to re:read that game a little to see what was wrong with it so I already have an opinion.

I don't think it was only because I was stubborn, I was as well just...awkward?

My pushes were awkward, my progression was awkward and shy, and all I could do was the repeat the same thing over and over, with a twist here or there sometimes.

Also, holy crap, what was wrong with me with these lamist posts of mine? "maybe we should increase the deadline?", "people need to post", "you guys are ignoring X person that is afk".

I'm quite confident that I would scum read myself right off the bat these days, and you guys did the same, but I abused a little the fact I was new to say "I'm clueless lmao". :lol:
(and I was clueless because I didn't notice how lamist it was)
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About you being uncomfortable about me here I get it partially. 65%.

I think I did things here that I wouldn't do as scum and I'm not going into details of that, maybe you or a certain person will notice that.

But yeah, I definitely got throw off by the commotion when I replaced and taking hotpots on people. I feel like I learned that talking too much while catching up is not a good idea, because you'll say a lot of repetitive things that normally are scattered around the ISO of players, however on the catchup it'll all stick together and look needlesly bad. Not only that, I didn't have much time to consider over some matters at that time, therefore my arguments will see even more tedious, repetitive and stubborn because I'm mulling it over and over. I'm kinda paranoid?

Also, I've been a bit awkward in the begin, I feel I could be smoother if I didn't get worked up in the start. Definitely. (I'm slowly recovering my pace I would say! :] )

There was a lot for me to process, it was like 45 pages in one-go, and only now I'm firm on my reads and solve. I'm even a bit surprised by it, I was very indecise back there. Settling a coalition seemed a nightmare.

I would say that you can sitback and be reserverd about me for now, I'm confident (again) that I can show my towniness for you all from now on :wink:

I just hope we get the coalisition right and I don't need to go through the effort though :lol:
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Post Post #1276 (isolation #56) » Sat Dec 01, 2018 2:51 am

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In post 1275, the worst wrote:man you're cool tbh
Mmmmh, do you mean this in regards to my alignment or I as a player?
In post 1275, the worst wrote:the more I think about it the more I'm concerned you misreading me/not townreading me tbh is scum indicative; idk tho
I mean, I'm interested in this bit here.

Duckling, how many times have I misread you?

In Espe's game I misread you
In Ircher's marathon game I misread you until that gambit
In that newbie game I went back and forth with my read on you
In Dino's Open 720 Noir I was kinda suspicious of how easygoing you were

In all those games I was town and misread you or wasn't confident there

Do you have any reason to think I'm good on reading you whatever alignment you may be? :?

You've been chatty here and when I left the site you seemed burned out of scum (and that is reflected in Espe's game?), I'll give you that, but is there posts you're confident that it's outside of your scum range?
In post 1275, the worst wrote:your tone here is a Lottttttt more fluid
Amiright?!! :wink:

NAI babbling here: I have been working on my tone quite a bit jndeed. I'm happy it seems to be working. :]
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Post Post #1291 (isolation #57) » Sat Dec 01, 2018 11:30 am

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welp

I was wrong on DVa :/

DVa, why did you unheal NSG (the most town read player) and healed me there (one of the most scum read players) ?

I mean, you had some chance of still getting in the coalition if you had maybe compromissed with TDW coalition and tried to convince Gamma, Irrelephant and The worst to vote on that? :d
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