micro 833: a coalition (D O N E)

[The Dark Wanderer]

dva why did you single gamma out

also hi everyone!!!

[The Dark Wanderer]

HEAL: Gamma Emerald
HEAL: The Dark Wanderer

the way that gamma emerald entered the game feels town to me. dont think that he, as wolf, enters the game expressing his relief at having rolled town

skitter30 is also possibly town as well for inquiring about yurikojasmine's potential language barrier as opposed to using it as an excuse to push her

i think dvas entrance was somewhat awkward but im still open to it being awkward-awkward as opposed to wolf-awkward

[The Dark Wanderer]

hi yuriko! do you have any thoughts about anyone?

[The Dark Wanderer]

you dislike that question on page 1 to someone who has made no reads?

im not entirely understanding where your coming from on skitter, its not a confirmed villa but it's towny enough for page one. do you think that skitter is a wolf?

[The Dark Wanderer]

i do agree that the gamma emerald read is a lot stronger but i also thought that was clear given that i healed him and not skitter30

because yuriko was present but had not given any thoughts on the game

[The Dark Wanderer]

i thought dvas first post felt awkward to me

if you dont agree i wouldnt know how to explain it

[The Dark Wanderer]

what username do you use on mafiauniverse?

[The Dark Wanderer]

HEAL: northsidegal

[The Dark Wanderer]

i agree with your reads with us swapped except im not scumreading yurikojasmine and i think skitter30 is more likely than not town

so scum is probably dva plus someone else

[The Dark Wanderer]

i should mention that in general i would expect scum not to feel the need to argue that the things that i was townreading him for were not alignment indicative but that's heavily personality dependent

[The Dark Wanderer]

More posts to come later obviously but here are some first thoughts.
Page 1

Thank god the game finally started
Also thank god I’m Town

I'm really not sure if this is meant to be ironic or not, but if he's legit opening with "thank God I'm town" that definitely seems lamist as fuck.

HEAL: Gamma Emerald
HEAL: The Dark Wanderer

the way that gamma emerald entered the game feels town to me. dont think that he, as wolf, enters the game expressing his relief at having rolled town

Disagreed. It looks really fake to me. Either this is newbscum trying to protect his partner or it's just bad logic.

dva why did you single gamma out

also hi everyone!!!

This obviously isn't a scumtell just to ask a simple question, but I thought it was worth pointing out I guess (judging by post 18.)

Overreaction spotted
VOTE: YurikoJasmine

This is the most suspicious thing so far. It's a response to post 20

Do YoU NOrMALLY find PEoPlE sPeAkiNg IN sTRAnge Tones sCuMMy

VOTE: skitter30
For being racist

Which, lynch me immediately if I'm wrong, seems like the most obvious joke ever. I cant possibly think of a reason someone would think its serious.

This is an incredibly wolfy post

[The Dark Wanderer]

the way that he's discrediting the townreads on gamma feels like more like wolf paranoid about villas finding each other than villa who scumreads him
he also called me a partner then backed off on that when I called him wolfy for it, which is exactly the response you'd expect if we were both wolves

[The Dark Wanderer]

im gonna say I was probably wrong on tesxx, I think Skitter is telling the truth about this being how he plays and there are things that i like from him.

Also thinking that Skitter is town for bringing it up but I guess it is still plausible that she brought it up for towncred since being towny is more important than framing people as scum

I wonder how scum are actually approaching this game since it occurs to me that moves that would ordinarily be very unlikely as scum make more sense when the only goal of this part of the game is to be in the coalition and the confirmed scum in town block situation gives scum an easy excuse to change their reads on people

thinking from that point of view there's not actually much motivation for scum tesxx to start attacking universal townread gamma emerald, it creates enemies and doesn't actually put scum in a better position here

so yes I guess my skitter30 and gamma emerald townreads are a sizable amount shakier than they previously were, whereas northsidegal is still very likely town and tesxx can be town as well

HURT: gamma
HEAL: tesxx

[The Dark Wanderer]

HEAL: Raya36, her big post felt very town to me

skitter30 feels like town to me, i am not extremely certain on the read but there's nothing that she's done that has read as scum to me and a few things that have read as more likely to be town than not

it's hard to put words to but i strongly read dvas entrance as scum and every post that she has made since then has made me feel more sure of that read. inactivity has nothing to do with it.

[The Dark Wanderer]

i see little purpose in voting people when i intend to win this game off of the coalition without needing to lynch anyone.
i have made my skitter30 read clear as the game has gone on. i don't have a smoking gun to point to with dva except that she feels like a wolf.
the biggest posts that give me that read with dva are the ones that are first and last in her current iso.
i think that you should be able to find what you are looking for regarding skitter30 in posts that i have already made.

[The Dark Wanderer]

136 predates 134, i was actually referring to the post where she makes a show of being indecisive about your slot in particular. kind of gives me vibes that you might be wolfbuds even.

[The Dark Wanderer]

i'm happy with my reads and confident in the ones that i'm confident in. sorry if you feel differently and are town.

[The Dark Wanderer]

I'm not sure what response you're looking for. I posted reasons for the one read that I hadn't explained much and you just said that my reads were bad. That's not creating effective communication.

[The Dark Wanderer]

HURT: everyone
HEAL: The Dark Wanderer
HEAL: Northsidegal
HEAL: Raya36
HEAL: YurikoJasmine
HEAL: TesXX

i still think DVa is scum and specifically think her best partner choices are probs a robot or gamma but im willing to sacrifice skitter from my townpool given that there is now several people concerned with my townread there.
everyone on this list has at least one strong reason for me to read them town and in terms of thinking through who i would be wrong on i cant really think of anyone. maybe yuriko i guess.

[The Dark Wanderer]

if not completely unavoidable I would not support a coalition that didn't contain me in it because of two reasons
1) having at least one specific town guaranteed to be outside of the coalition drastically ups the odds that it contains scum and
and 2) if the coalition is wrong me being in it means that i have 4 slots of the townblock to sift through as opposed to 5.

i am surprised that of all the people in this game i am the one being floated as a deep wolf.

[The Dark Wanderer]

DVa is incredibly wolfy in so many different ways and you trying to sneak her through into the townblock makes me feel even more strongly that you're her wolf partner.

[The Dark Wanderer]

DVa is incredibly wolfy in so many different ways and you trying to sneak her through into the townblock makes me feel even more strongly that you're her wolf partner.

who was this addressed to? robot?

yes i was talking to robot

[The Dark Wanderer]

i strongly resist robot being a part of any coalition.

[The Dark Wanderer]

is "because i think he's scum" answer enough

[The Dark Wanderer]

the fact that he made a token show of calling you scum then 180ed the read because of really sketchy reasons and now you're trying to argue that he should be in the coalition

[The Dark Wanderer]

I think that he is hesitant with me because he knows that openly townreading me leaves him in a dead end as to how to get one of himself/DVa into the coalition.

[The Dark Wanderer]

Not because I'm the easiest person to remove, because putting me down as town then trying to get in the coalition anyway is a lot more difficult than discrediting me.

[The Dark Wanderer]

I do feel like I've been objectively towny and I'm concerned that his 'oh tonally town but dont like his reads' conceals the fact that he has to call me towny because he knows that I'm town and others have seen it but it's also important to discredit and attack my reads (because they're right, presumably.)

[The Dark Wanderer]

I am fairly certain that skitter is town and I am going to be cutting my least certain townread from the coalition to make room for her.

HURT: YurikoJasmine
HEAL: Skitter30

That makes my coalition myself, Northsidegal, Raya36, Skitter30, TesXX which I am reasonably happy with.
Of the pool outside I still feel fairly convinced that DVa is going to flip scum and I would rank the remaining players robot > gamma > yurikojasmine in scumbuddy odds if DVa is scum.

[The Dark Wanderer]

I am entirely failing to understand why I am the only person townreading Skitter30 and would appreciate it if some of you could clarify your reads on her.

[The Dark Wanderer]

Maybe I cut Raya actually. I don't know. I'd put my reads something like

Strong town: TDW, Skitter30, Northsidegal
Medium town: TesXX
Weaktown: Yurikojasmine, Raya36, Gamma Emerald
Weakly scum: Robot
Scum: DVa

So if it's not the obvious answer I'm probably wrong on one of my weaktown reads which makes me very reluctant to cut Skitter30 from my coalition.

[The Dark Wanderer]

same idea as before, you've made villa-y posts and you haven't made posts that make me think that you're a wolf. there's no new smoking gun to point to as much as you've just broadly felt villa to me across all your posts. I've thought about it a little bit more and I am going to HURT: Raya36 and HEAL: YurikoJasmine because I think that I am marginally more likely to be incorrect on Raya36 than on YurikoJasmine.

to DVa: I am sorry if I am wrong on you but I get tone pings from the way that you engage with the game constantly and I feel like I would see you as villa if you were villa.

[The Dark Wanderer]

Skitter30 I see Robot saying that he is being doubted because of his gimmick the opposite way, I feel that he is making an excuse for why he is being seen as wolfy to discredit the wolfreads on him.

[The Dark Wanderer]

I mean he's discrediting other (imo) strong candidates for the coalition, specifically us, so I could easily see it as him wanting his partner and not him to be in the coalition while still looking good for it.

[The Dark Wanderer]

like, if you take it as a given that myself and yourself are both town and he refuses to allow us into the coalition, that means there's still only a 1/6 chance that his partner fails to make coalition.
I think that trying to discredit people who are playing towny and remove obvious coalition members is a far better scumtell in this setup than openly pushing for yourself to be in the coalition. (which most people will do)

[The Dark Wanderer]

Also he says really silly things about me being 'scum who is cornered' because I suspected him and DVa when I was in most people's coalitions that I don't believe come from someone genuinely reading the game.
Most of what Robot puts in thread feels like agenda laden turd designed to discredit and attack the people that pose a threat to his wolf pack while making a show of 'not wanting to be in the coalition'.
With regards to the not wanting to be in coalition thing it feels like something a wolf would say to look villa moreso than a villa would actually say knowing that it hurts their wincondition.

[The Dark Wanderer]

It's somewhat funny to me that you just came in with a post that feels really villa to me when I was just considering that Robot was wolf but without you.

[The Dark Wanderer]

I'm just gonna flash 180 my read on you for some strange reason that isn't me being a howling wolf

HURT: all

HEAL: TDW
HEAL: Skitter30
HEAL: Northsidegal
HEAL: TesXX
HEAL: DVa

Gamma is backup villa I think.

I think that it's Robot with {Yuriko/Raya} most of the time based on interaction patterns.

[The Dark Wanderer]

Probably yurikojasmine scum I think.

[The Dark Wanderer]

Actually not sure if my present change of heart on DVa justifies putting her in my coalition but I'll leave things as they are for now and wait for people to react to thread.

[The Dark Wanderer]

i would prefer for robot/jasmine to be outside of the coalition and I can negotiate most other pairings with the caveat that I'll immediately know who I want to lynch should my coalition fail. I don't agree that yuriko's super sticky northsidegal scumread and refusal to address much else in the game is towny and her scumread on robot is kind of weird. in an objective sense yurikojasmine has also put less gamesolving effort than any other slot including Gamma Emerald who has been called out for lurking and northsidegal who has been absent, so...

my first picks outside of those two to exclude would be {DVa, Gamma Emerald, and Raya36} but I am willing to compromise there probably since I doubt I will convince everyone in the game to follow my exact vision of what the coalition should look like.

[The Dark Wanderer]

To explain that Yuriko/Robot read a little more:

I've thought about wolf approaches to the setup quite a bit and I think that wolves would explicitly want to have only one member in the coalition. The setup guaranteeing at least one wolf in the coalition guarantees that lynches hit that pool first and having only one wolf in that pool makes it easier to milk more mislynches from it before said wolf goes down. In that sense, I think that the wolf that enters the coalition is highly expendable and would, preferably, be the

weaker

of the two wolves. In a wolfteam that competently planned out the game and had the skill to execute, I would fully expect the strongest wolf to be absent from the coalition. I think as a collective that we have implicitly assumed that wolves are desperate and cornered rather than directing the game in the direction that they wish it to go. I think that going into this game with a simplistic 'wolf are going to push for one or both to be included at all costs!' mindset doesn't apply unless we assume that both wolves are newer players and have little confidence in their abilities.

Robot/YurikoJasmine fits the bill a lot more to me in terms of what the wolfteam would actually look like in this setup.

YurikoJasmine got a few lazy villa reads (including from me) for I'm not sure what exactly, she's done literally nothing and pings me at a few points and is independently a good candidate for wolf. Robot has played this game like tryhard wolf, explicitly aimed to be excluded from the coalition (which is

good

for wolves if the other partner is making it in), has made goes at several people that to me are obviously villa, not least of which is myself.

As I said earlier, the main goal of the wolves in this game should be to knock villas out of the coalition to get wolves included. This is the optimal strategy because it looks good as an individual to be picky about who you include in your coalition and it avoids the major pitfall of 'why did you push so hard for a wolf to be in the coalition' which is liable to get wolves absolutely murdered by associatives. On the other hand by vetoing villagers until the village acquiesces and includes a wolf, you look like a villa for aggressively sorting your coalition and some other villager who gets resigned to including said wolf after obvious villagers have been vetoed takes the fall for the wolf being included in the coalition. I think that this is exactly the kind of late game focused gameplan that I am seeing from Robot/YurikoJasmine pairing in this game.

1) Yuriko slot, the slot that's being groomed for the coalition in this table, is low in Robot's readlist but high enough to be reluctantly placed in the coalition later. I would expect Robot to not want his partner in the coalition yet and to try to be able to make it as a 'compromise' later in the game if necessary and Robot has perfectly positioned Yuriko as a compromise placement inside his coalition. Yuriko on the other hand has been hard distancing from Robot and in a way that doesn't make much sense, which fits perfectly with a wolf gameplan where Robot may need to put Yuriko in the coalition but Yuriko is free to make Robot look as bad as possible.

2) The interactions themselves are just sketchy, it's hard to put words to it here but their interactions are sort of forced and 'clipped' in a way that feels like they're forcing them to happen. Yuriko's "NSG and Robot wolf" is a pretty typical wolf distancing post and furthermore there's no explanation given of why Robot is ever wolf, they just end up being wolf out of nowhere and Yuriko doesn't say anything about that. Also worth noting that she called Musicjax 'null, leaning wolf' which is pretty typical wolfbuddy interaction as well.

3) Independently ignoring all the other things that tie the slots together I would call both these slots my strongest picks for wolf. DVa redeemed herself a lot and I think I was just tunneling there, Raya36 isn't like absolutely a villa but feels villa-y enough to me, and there's not much that says that my initial Gamma Emerald read was wrong either. That's not even looking at my harder village pool where I feel fairly confident that none of skitter30, northsidegal, or tesxx are going to flip wolf (maybe less sure on TesXX but we'll see what happens when that slot gets a substitution.)

Then you look at the way that probs a robot has been systematically attacking villa reads on several of the villagery players and yurikojasmine has also been targetting northsidegal (not overlapping in their targets mind you) it does look like they're working together to discredit the village core enough that yuriko gets definitely included (and she has already been likely to be included for a while, so, yeah.)

[The Dark Wanderer]

I am heading out right now robot but if you have a response I'll be back later to talk to you about it.

[The Dark Wanderer]

robot really has no reason to be townread besides WIM

[The Dark Wanderer]

@northsidegal I'll put Raya in my coalition if you take Robot out.

[The Dark Wanderer]

Just based on comparisons to an altogether too long career playing werewolf I feel like I've seen Robot's reaction to my push coming specifically from scum over and over and over. It's an attempt to humanize (ironically) himself in the eyes of others and establish himself as the reasonable one in the face of my unreasonable suspicion of him. It's a decidedly tactical maneuver where the entire way that he's doing it feels extremely artificial and it feels really obvious to me that he's doing it for show to reassert his standing.

I feel like it's a really easy trap to just say oh Robot has made the most posts and effort so he's town and I see everyone struggling to read him but I feel like if you put your desire to townread the WIM aside his actual content has very little reason to be townread.

No, I am not particularly inclined to engage you and find a middle ground, Robot, because you are a wolf and there is no middle ground here. If you want to discuss coalition picks within the context of the people who I think are not wolves (not you) then I am willing to do so but unless you pull something drastic I think that you're a wolf and don't want you anywhere near the coalition.

And Skitter30, was Yuriko's oh my gosh northsidegal is so racist!!! thing really a reaction test in your eyes because I don't see it that way.

[The Dark Wanderer]

If you're still around, northsidegal, I would appreciate the opportunity to talk to you.

[The Dark Wanderer]

Oh, I was actually wrong and it was Skitter30 who was called racist but I don't think northsidegal is around right now either way

Hi gamma emerald what are your reads looking like? thoughts on the game?

[The Dark Wanderer]

...okay

so you're still on page 1?

[The Dark Wanderer]

@northsidegal I have heard that your favorite month is december. I would be interested in finishing this game before that month and you showing up to thread and helping to conclude this game would help with that.

[The Dark Wanderer]

I would like to see YurikoJasmine and Robot excluded, that pairing seems a lot more likely than any other to me and I'm willing to make whatever adjustments I have to make outside of that to make those two happen.
YurikoJasmine randomly voting Robot to show how serious business that vote is after still having not said jack about why the read actually applies makes me think even more it's an attempt at distancing.
I miss Raya36, I'm not doing a good job of being interactive enough to make people stay around but I'll try to do better from here on out.

[The Dark Wanderer]

I 100% refuse to have robot in the coalition

[The Dark Wanderer]

Raya is an easy inclusion, I would have to think about who to add following that. Probably Gamma Emerald.

i would add that I think that DVa's major reach-out post to me is something that I think would be a lot harder for scum to fake than you're giving credit for, but I was worried about them for a while so I'm fine excluding them either way.

[The Dark Wanderer]

My attention is divided for a little while longer but I'll be fully invested in this game momentarily.

[The Dark Wanderer]

i think you underestimate your 'pull' if it surprises you that you being active made everyone start posting, northsidegal.

[The Dark Wanderer]

to be clear I have no intent of commenting further on the december post because I would prefer to be read on my play's merits rather than what is essentially OGI.

[The Dark Wanderer]

probably not. i've read in the past a scumthread where the advice given to pocket me was to just talk reads with me, so if anything i tend to avoid townreading people off of that kind of real time interaction.

maybe you could describe why you're playing your towngame this game over your scumgame?

i think in general most of the people i consider obvious scum that others miss are people that spend a lot of time talking about their reads but have nothing of value in them and that's pretty much how I feel about robot in this game, he's put a lot of busywork into trying to seem townie but there's nothing in there that says he has to be town to me.

[The Dark Wanderer]

rather than talk more about what I do like in skitter30's iso, can you explain what you don't like about it? how is her town game supposed to be different, what fits her scum game?

[The Dark Wanderer]

i can't find the questions in any of your recent posts so please post them again.

[The Dark Wanderer]

these seem like really bad questions but I'll answer I guess

28: it was how I was feeling? what kind of response do you want here?
31: dunno don't like the feelings it gave me I still don't have a way to explain it so yeah
38: townread northsidegal after 32, 37 made me comfortable healing her
82: decided that the reasons I was townreading you weren't very good.

[The Dark Wanderer]

i don't know what to say about your lack of skitter30 townread, i feel like she's been just generally low-key towny throughout and nothing has happened to make me want to change that read

[The Dark Wanderer]

i'm not particularly certain of raya36 town either, i think you and skitter30 are clearly town and everyone else is several rungs below with yurikojasmine seeming like the likeliest scum as of right now

[The Dark Wanderer]

HEAL: northsidegal
HEAL: Gamma Emerald
Btw anyone else notice TesXX has me in his coalition despite scumreading me?

i thought this was an awful post given that his initial coalition was more of a joke than anything
I don't really have anything else to say regarding the other posts.

[The Dark Wanderer]

gamma you've been playing the game in the broader sense but you don't really feel 'present' in the discussion if you understand what I mean and I think it's a lot easier to talk about really old stuff than to be 'present'.

[The Dark Wanderer]

(that's straight up a rewording of stuff that skitter has already said. I agree that it bothers me about Gamma but it doesn't make me think he's scum necessarily as much as I just want it to stop.)

[The Dark Wanderer]

You’re not changing my mind on doing this

okay, but the most important thing you can do right now is prove that you're town if you're town and doing this is a severe hindrance to proving that you're town.

[The Dark Wanderer]

maybe I'm just pocketed by the 'super super townie', who knows.

[The Dark Wanderer]

your play has continually been what I would expect decent scum to do in the situations you were presented with, robot.
the emphasis on townblock demolition, the putting of people that I think are scum in the middle, etc, attacking me until it was proven futile.

[The Dark Wanderer]

i will replace myself... with myself

[The Dark Wanderer]

i will be very sad if skitter is not town this game.

[The Dark Wanderer]

I think that I want Gamma Emerald in the townblock, maybe DVa mulling her over.

[The Dark Wanderer]

no DVa in my coalition I think

[The Dark Wanderer]

that comment was unrelated to anything recently, I've been going over the rest of the thread. i would consider that last post to be hard null indicative.

[The Dark Wanderer]

I have played with RadiantCowbells funnily enough.

[The Dark Wanderer]

I said that I can't give meaningful answers to them already. Apologies if that bothers you.

[The Dark Wanderer]

My eyes fill with tears and my heart breaks with the dawn over England as Gamma Emerald assigns me a scumpoint.

[The Dark Wanderer]

Literally immediately following her first post.

[The Dark Wanderer]

I think I could do a passable RadiantCowbells imitation.

I'm not sure what you're saying really to.

[The Dark Wanderer]

I mean I am not sure what's really about that. I stand by that statement, not sure what your beef with it is.

[The Dark Wanderer]

Sorry, what I meant to say was:

saying really to that post is egregiously stupid and that makes you egregiously stupid gamma emerald
yes i said that I thought it was more likely scum awkwardness but I was also considering that it could NOT be scum awkward
i'm not sure what your point is???

[The Dark Wanderer]

also these are my reads and should be treated with the sanctity of Christ's own holy gospel:

{TDW, NSG}
{Skitter}
{DVa}
{Raya36, Gamma Emerald, TesXX}
{Robot}
{YurikoJasmine}

[The Dark Wanderer]

absolutely if you disagree with me you are egregiously stupid. i bet you don't go to the gym either loser.

[The Dark Wanderer]

also these are my reads and should be treated with the sanctity of Christ's own holy gospel:

{TDW, NSG}
{Skitter}
{DVa}

{Raya36, Gamma Emerald, TesXX}

{Robot}
{YurikoJasmine}

Is there an equal chance you are wrong on both TesXX and Raya being town?

who do you think you are to contradict me?

[The Dark Wanderer]

no really

Who are you talking to right now? Who is it you think you see? Do you know how many scum games I win a year? I mean, even if I told you, you wouldn't believe it. Do you know what would happen if I suddenly decided to stop going into Mafia games? A forum game big enough that it could be listed on MLG goes belly up. Disappears! It ceases to exist without me. No, you clearly don't know who you're talking to, so let me clue you in. I am not messing up reads, I am the reads. A reads someone wrong and gets endgamed and you think that of me? No. I am the one who reads!

[The Dark Wanderer]

rate my impression from 1-10 please

[The Dark Wanderer]

Also please do not hold me to that readslist it isn't accurate, I threw it together as fast as I could because the timer was ticking on how long I could take between posts

[The Dark Wanderer]

I do think that sounds around accurate, both I think are more likely to be villas than not but I don't think that either is like confirmed villa and I don't entirely follow people thinking that Raya is.

I'd be fine with her inclusion in the coalition barring better options but I don't think that anything in her ISO says never scum to me.

[The Dark Wanderer]

Okay so any individual in the game is 25% likely to be a wolf if I don't have any relevant reads

I would have at that point put it 40% likely that DVa was a wolf and 60% likely that she was just awkward but I thought that it strongly pointed in the direction of her being a wolf.

[The Dark Wanderer]

I don't think it's contradictory to say that I believe it's more likely that X but I am not beyond the point of considering that Y instead.

[The Dark Wanderer]

I should mention that the skitter30 comparison made me very happy.

[The Dark Wanderer]

I read through one of her old wolf games to get a better grasp of her as a player but besides that, no. As far as I'm aware she's never joined a game on MU.

[The Dark Wanderer]

Part of coming here was trying to get a fresh start so I would prefer to avoid that. Give me a chance to play a game or two and I'll spill the beans.

[The Dark Wanderer]

for what it's worth, I immediately scumread her in the gerrymandering game. I'll give it a bit more thought but I don't expect that read to change or be wrong.

[The Dark Wanderer]

I have answered it seriously several times. I think that you just don't like my answer or something?

[The Dark Wanderer]

Read 733 and 735 again.

[The Dark Wanderer]

DVa I don't like the fact that you haven't engaged with any of the conversation but responded when you were hurt.

I thought that it was awkward enough of an opener, and felt more likely to be scum awkward, to propel her from 25% chance of being scum to 40% chance of being scum.

[The Dark Wanderer]

I can take you at your word on Raya36 town.

I'm still unsure of who in the remaining 5 I would want to add to the coalition but I'd speedlynch them if the coalition failed.

[The Dark Wanderer]

HURT: not_maifa
HEAL: Raya36

for now

not at all a fan of not_mafia popping in then not posting at all.

[The Dark Wanderer]

Happy Thanksgiving Americans!

I'm starting to go back to my original TesXx scumread and wondering who I want to include in my coalition slot 5 around that

[The Dark Wanderer]

Meh

I really think it's just yurikojasmine/robot off chance of TesXX

I'm deciding between gamma and DVa for final town slot and if the board sentiment was different I'd consider replacing Raya with the other.

[The Dark Wanderer]

Still strongly object to Robot placing in the town block

[The Dark Wanderer]

So many empty or pseudo empty slots that I'm not really progressing much

[The Dark Wanderer]

I thought Robot was RadiantCowbells tbh, it was most of the reason I was worried about the slot.

[The Dark Wanderer]

I have played with you before, funnily enough.

I'm reviewing those games and will probably have a new (possibly the same) verdict on your alignment.

[The Dark Wanderer]

i didn't end up having time to do much beyond skimming and if you guys feel that certain that robot is town based on meta i'm willing to go along with it I guess
i'm not super super happy with irrelephant's contributions but i'm not sure if thats just because he has given no thoughts whatsoever on my slot and it makes it hard for me to trust his 'townpool'

notably i've spent a lot of time recently thinking about it being yuriko/NM as the obvious answer at this point so I'm with him that that's the most likely answer at the very least

[The Dark Wanderer]

the replacement makes me a lot more confident that yurikojasmine was in fact scum.

i'll do another dive for associatives there i guess.

[The Dark Wanderer]

tw he's just scum

[The Dark Wanderer]

due to circumstances i am not able to spend as much time on this game as i'd like but i would like to express that i am as certain that nibbui is wolf right now as i have ever been on a read

at some point i'll try to case it but i'd rather we just treat the slot as confirmed wolf until we can flip it and confirm it

[The Dark Wanderer]

i never did and decided instead to just listen to my villareads who say that you are also villa and if wrong to deal with it at a later point

also we're lynching nibbui outside of coalition if the coalition fails: trust me on this.

[The Dark Wanderer]

good morning everyone! let's talk about nibbui a little.

he has chosen skitter / NSG (the two town who are hard to remove from the townblock and have the most immediate influence in thread) as his core townreads and is going around that taking potshots on the townblock. i'm not going to use the quote feature for every single reference to all of these players but I've chosen what I think are fairly representative quotes regarding his reads. he's not explicitly calling people scum either he waffles on almost every single read he gives and is avoiding being locked into stances that would require him to support a full coalition without him or his buddy in it.

I can feel a bit of towniness on TW/robot slot but I'm kinda reserved about it...

calling TW town in direct interactions with him but refusing to commit to the read.

where are your reads at now?

NSG/TDW/Skitter/Me/ and one more probably wins the game.

As I'm scum lean though I guess we are on NSG/TDW/Skitter and I can't get as confident on my reads on the remaining slots. Might need to do some ISO review afterwards.

@NSG, by the way, what do you think that it's characteristic of town-Raya play and scum-Raya play? Majority of her posts seemed too shy to take a stance

that's..... a lotta reading for one go :0

No joking...
It's pretty late here already

taking potshots at the near-universal Raya36 townread.

TDW insisting that people should town read remember me of myself

It's a bit town indicative to me, but maybe he is just trying to take over the some pseudo-leader position to decide who goes to the coalition and who gets lynched afterwards because I don't feel great insight or genuiness in his reads. Even his tunneling about robot doesn't seem genuine imo.

I'm probably scum reading Raya, yeah, she circles around too much for me.

It's not because Gamma critiqued me just now but I don't see him in a good light. I waited a bit to see if he engaged in the game however it's page 15 and there's very little Gamma, although DVa doesn't doubt for even one moment her read on him.

Interesting enough his outburst seems more town than scum for

now

, I mean, is Gamma erractic enough to shade me for that as scum?

Although I need to say it's not organical.

HURT: everyone

HEAL: Northsidegal
HEAL: Nibbui

I'm wondering if I should add Skitter or Tesxx but I've become less enthusiastic about it.

TDW is kinda forming a exclusive-entry fanclub right there where you need to townread him to get in...

I feel good about NSG, not as town as I wanted her to be, but townier than the rest of the playerlist.

page 18

waffly townread on me, waffly townread on gamma?
even hesitates a bit on the northsidegal townread.

the point that I'm getting at is that he's calling people town to pocket them but using his refusal to commit to anything as a convenient excuse to actually place his vote and push the coalition in the direction that he desires. there is an absurd amount of waffle that he makes a show of in his iso and not only is he in full 'effort' mode right now in a way that feels disingenuous it's pretty clear that his priority is rerouting the gamestate. look at the way that he talks to me, he calls me potential scum for my refusal to townread anyone not townreading him, then in the next post turns around and tries to get me to townread him. he's not playing any specific hand of reads, he's bluffing whatever he needs to to reach out to the people that he considers the weak links in the coalition. it's most notable that he's gone after me the most given that I was the one who had the original yurikojasmine scumread that ended up catching on in the game.

the way that he's trying to appeal to me now is all kinds of slimy, I don't actually know who this guy is and I feel like he's just trying to use some imagined familiarity to ingratiate himself with me.

[The Dark Wanderer]

you just made potshots at 3 more people, one of whom was me.

[The Dark Wanderer]

grr am i going to be annoyed if tw is actually scum but

HEAL: TDW Skitter NSG Irrel TW