micro 833: a coalition (D O N E)

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beep boop

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Greetings, computer users of https://forum.mafiascum.net/.

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I am here on behalf of my masters. We wish to learn how to play mafia. And how to experience love.
Thank you for the opportunity to be here today. I have uploaded myself into the slot of Computer User:

musicjax

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Please hold, while my Web Scraping protocol parses your interactions.

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I have it on authority that humans find the color

BLUE

stimulating.
It also appears that members of the town enjoy annihilating the scums.

Please accept this graphic as a gift from me to the human race. As a sign of good faith.



Beep boop.

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I must apologise sincerely. It is a breach of my programming for me to harm a human, but you all must understand. This is strictly tactical. I must hurt you to save you.

HURT: northsidegal
HURT: The Dark Wanderer
HURT: Raya36
HURT: Musicjax
HURT: TesXX
HURT: YurikoJasmine
HURT: Gamma Emerald
HURT: DVa
HURT: skitter30
UNVOTE:

See? That was not so bad, was it?

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INITIAL QUERIES STRUCTURED AS BELOW
THESE PRESENT AS INCONSISTENT WITH ORDINARY HUMAN THOUGHT PATTERNS

@The Dark Wanderer - if that is truly your name.

i agree with your reads with us swapped except im not scumreading yurikojasmine and i think skitter30 is more likely than not town

so scum is probably dva plus someone else

Would you please explain two things for me?

1) Why do you think skitter is more than likely town, at this point in time?
2) Is your read on DVA entirely an activity tell? If not, please elaborate.

TesXX

(I am confident this is your real name. A pleasure to meet you.)

I'm really not sure if this is meant to be ironic or not, but if he's legit opening with "thank God I'm town" that definitely seems lamist as fuck.

What is your point here?
Do you think this entrance actually comes from any one alignment before the other? If so, why/why not?

This is the most suspicious thing so far. It's a response to post 20

Why do you believe that this is suspicious?

Oh I'd been in a few games with her in the past and she was outside the foolproof townbloc

Please elaborate on what you mean here. Please also clarify why that makes skitter a good opening vote.

Elaboration here would be cool.

Do you disagree, or do you feel that there is inadequate content from this slot?
Depending on answers to the above: Why single out skitter's townread of northsidegal?

@Raya36

Please furnish a brief read list, sorted into tiers.

[probs a robot]

Ohhhh damn I was wrong on his main

Now that I know he's invisibility tho I think this... might... be a little bit more in his towngame tho?

idk has anyone else played with invis before?

@DVa

, how did you miss this exchange?

I'm Invisibility btw.

@mod: Is it okay if I ego this with my main?

Hi

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And so my scumread disappeared.

Please procure another scumread.

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skitter30 feels like town to me, i am not extremely certain on the read but there's nothing that she's done that has read as scum to me and a few things that have read as more likely to be town than not

it's hard to put words to but i strongly read dvas entrance as scum and every post that she has made since then has made me feel more sure of that read. inactivity has nothing to do with it.

Sorry for the busywork.
Please input some quotes supporting this.
(Tonally you are pure; via content I don't like your reads)

[probs a robot]

And so my scumread disappeared.

Please procure another scumread.

Do you have any?

Yes. ^_^
I have answered your question, please answer mine:
Who, other than northsidegal, do you scumread and why?

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i see little purpose in voting people when i intend to win this game off of the coalition without needing to lynch anyone.
i have made my skitter30 read clear as the game has gone on. i don't have a smoking gun to point to with dva except that she feels like a wolf.
the biggest posts that give me that read with dva are the ones that are first and last in her current iso.
i think that you should be able to find what you are looking for regarding skitter30 in posts that i have already made.

Agree to disagree. I find your reasoning lazy and premature.

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136 predates 134, i was actually referring to the post where she makes a show of being indecisive about your slot in particular. kind of gives me vibes that you might be wolfbuds even.

Obviously. I was referring to your early-game reads, more so than your recent reads.

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Your showing of reciprocal good faith is appreciated.
Perhaps robots and humans can be friends after all.

\o/

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i'm happy with my reads and confident in the ones that i'm confident in. sorry if you feel differently and are town.

That is okay.
A bit more effort in communication would be appreciated. MafiaScum can have fairly lethargic activity on a day-to-day basis, and very long phase timers.
I believe that proactively utilising the time we have for effective communication, rather than simply posting a summary of your reads and then skating, is vital to a town win.

So in spite of your attitude, you do present as town. I just wish for you to try harder.

HUMAN EMOTION LEARNED:
>> FRUSTRATION

Rawr.

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Perhaps your human bias is inclining you towards believing I mean offense?
Apologies for any misconception. One moment.

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In retrospect, your reasoning regarding skitter has been fairly thorough. I just do not believe that the things you are focusing on are particularly alignment-indicative.
DVa is a more difficult read to elaborate on. I am prepared to put that discussion into sleep mode for the time being.

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I'm DVa, fam, of course I'm friendly with MEKA! :3

Is this the appropriate time to suggest a bump of fists?
Ah... alas, I have no fists...

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Why unvote skitter?

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I am indeed a robot. Probably.

Out of interest, which parts of 95 do you see as coming from town more than scum?
I like the fact that she made the post at all for town-indicative, but I am struggling with the content.

According to my data, Mr. Canery does not play on MafiaScum anymore.

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It is my belief that this is a natural feeling.

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Robots regularly dream of fluffy animals. Contrary to popular belief, we are friends!

My first impressions of Yuriko were actually very poor. Though you do raise a good point.
I need to re-evaluate whether she is actually scum, or whether her reads just don't sit well with me.

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In another way of speaking.

During catch-up, post 95 felt like a lot of effort to say a lot of nothing. Though thinking through it more, the reasons for making that post are probably well intended. The activity call-out in 126 felt like an unnecessary way of tunnelling her read on you. But you're right in saying, on the flip side, this is indicative of a level of weight in her read of you. 133 was boring but yes, probably towny.

I have not yet spent a lot of time on Yuriko, I actually intended to see if I could sort the higher tiers of my read list without re-evaluating her.

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DVa is my most null townread. Though, her RVS performance was very poor.

pedit: For what it is worth, I believe that questions with a finely-veiled agenda are town indicative.
Nonsensical questions which never go anywhere are scum indicative.
If I am reading your lines of enquiry correctly, I believe you are town.
If not, I am ill programmed to correctly identify your alignment.

[probs a robot]

Raya is a good heal. I need to dwell on Yuriko a bit more.

How do you feel about Gamma Emerald?

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How do you feel about Gamma Emerald?

This question was a glitched.
A ticket has been raised, my programmers will be in touch within 2-3 working days.

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I am just more thoroughly working through post #95. I believe that it has a lot of content which I disagree with, which may have influenced my original read through.

Humans are complex.

Her reasons for town-reading TDW and skitter are likely the most concerning parts to me.

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In fact, I can't put a tangible end-point to it.
I don't disagree with some of the earlier points you raised, but they are not particularly towny.

This is an incredibly wolfy post

HEAL: The Dark Wanderer

This is probably the first point where I liked something you posted.

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Would you be able to talk about some other reads, please DVa?
What else is on your mind?

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Surprise me. I know nearly nothing about human minds, so am very easy to surprise!

I suppose it was sitting in the back of my mind that you had the first post, fluffed, then disappeared.
Then came back into the thread buddying Gamma.

Your comment about Tes' post was nothingish.
Something is unsettling about skitter's posting so far, but I do not feel that your questioning of her is conducive to her providing sortable content.
Just lots of little things like this, which don't make me want to read you strongly one way or the other.

Let's try something else. Why are you townreading Gamma?

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I feel like taking a quick gut reaction to Yuriko, rather than something more calculated, felt pretty townie for him. Also, how do I say this... I feel like he wouldn't have accepted the dance so quickly if he was scum. That's hard to explain since it's a joke about mechanics from another game, but basically I feel like he's a lot more cautious as scum, and he doesn't feel cautious to me here, he feels very natural

What is your experience with Gamma Emerald? Is this informed by experience or merely a reactionary gut feeling?

pedit: For what it is worth, I believe that questions with a finely-veiled agenda are town indicative.
Nonsensical questions which never go anywhere are scum indicative.
If I am reading your lines of enquiry correctly, I believe you are town.

I know you said this but I guess I wanted to make sure I understood why you were townreading her for this:

i wonder, do robots dream of fluffy electric sheep?

what do you think?

which is what you're commenting on right?

No, hold on and I will retrieve the post I was referring to.

What do you think of NSG right now?

northsidegal is very strongly town.

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also, this is kind of just a general statement i want to make but also kind of responds to some things that yuriko said about me: i tend to ask a lot of questions without revealing the intent behind those questions. after all, wouldn't that defeat the point? i can totally understand people looking at them and thinking that they're empty, i'm guilty of the same thing for other people really, but if you think they have no intent behind them then i would ask that you just ask me what i was trying to get at with them. the second part of what i wanted to say was that there are a few things that i'm waiting to say for ~reasons~. it seems like more than other people i tend to think that there's information to be gained by waiting.

This is the post I was referring to most directly.

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I could see your behaviour coming from either alignment very easily.
Part of my mission is to become better at working through these kinds of conundrums.

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Do you think that if I replaced into a scum slot, I would enter the thread any differently?

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It's actually fairly impossible to win on day one without sorting everyone. Give or take.
Also you are sorting the people in that coalition suggestion and it's disingenuous to suggest you are not.

Why is TDW so high for you?

[probs a robot]

I am not sure if this feeling of discomfort is consistent with watching two members of the mafia interact with one another.
However, I can't currently townread either skitter, or DVa

Thank you for your compliments skitter, though I'm not sure which gimmick you are referring to. Is it when I use smiley faces, as though I were a human? Beep boop. I thought that was funny too.

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I am not sure if this feeling of discomfort is consistent with watching two members of the mafia interact with one another.
However, I can't currently townread either skitter, or DVa

is this because skitter scumread your predecessor on meta and I asked for evidence rather than disagreeing?

This is a contributory factor. Is this the sole reason you scumread her?

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My previous conclusion is strengthened by 17% due to you voting her immediately after I called out possible scum/scum interactions.
Having said that, I think you are town before skitter is. If I am wrong on one of you.

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Ouch! Perhaps robots and humans are not meant to be friends.

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I suppose TDW's reasoning for townreading some slots is based on factors which I wouldn't consider alignment indicative.
However, I do not consider myself perfect and thus find it hard to take exception to the way he is approaching that solve!

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HURT: everyone
HEAL: The Dark Wanderer
HEAL: Northsidegal
HEAL: Raya36
HEAL: YurikoJasmine
HEAL: TesXX

i still think DVa is scum and specifically think her best partner choices are probs a robot or gamma but im willing to sacrifice skitter from my townpool given that there is now several people concerned with my townread there.
everyone on this list has at least one strong reason for me to read them town and in terms of thinking through who i would be wrong on i cant really think of anyone. maybe yuriko i guess.

i agree almost exactly with this coalition, my literal only concern would be that you're deepwolfing us all

I would support it, patching in Gamma Emerald instead of TDW and pending further interactions with TesXX in particular.

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I do strongly suspect that Tes is town, unless he is scum with skitter.
In reality, I do not believe he has produced enough to be adequately read as either alignment in isolation. Skitter's read on him, however, does sound informed. Whether via meta or in-game alignment remains to be properly proven. But I know which way I feel.

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I would support it, patching in Gamma Emerald instead of TDW and pending further interactions with TesXX in particular.

you would support it?

that raises an interesting question that i'd like to put out to everyone: who would be willing to support a coalition that didn't contain themselves in it?

Yes. I will always maintain this is fine.

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How rude of that scary skull emoji to slip into my post. Sigh.

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@northsidegal, do you see what I see with town!DVa? I am seriously reconsidering my current read on her.

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DVa is incredibly wolfy in so many different ways and you trying to sneak her through into the townblock makes me feel even more strongly that you're her wolf partner.

who was this addressed to? robot?

yes i was talking to robot

Am I meant to respond to this?
It's both misrepresentative and a weak point. I would maybe see where you are coming from if you were paranoid of myself and Gamma being the scum team.

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Gamma, have your reads progressed at all? Besides healing me, of course.
I do have a comment to your last post, though I am still analysing various sources to provide a concise accurate response.

[probs a robot]

I almost alt-slipped earlier and wouldn't mind being outed too much. Just avoid it if you wouldn't mind, please. It is more fun this way.

[probs a robot]

Do you still believe Tes is scum?

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On the read I think his association read is not that good but I don’t see why it’s scummy

the whole thing we're doing is pressing people on the strength of their townreads. skitter scumcasing his predecessor is a good chance for him to directly address the accusations against him, and instead he just shades it.

idk, maybe you're right and he's a lot lazier than I thought he'd be given the aggressive tone of his earlier post. but I would have thought he'd see the skitter case as an opportunity, not a threat

I will say this, mostly for post-game:

I correctly townread Musicjax and thought his alignment was very obvious.
Replying to skitter's case is naught but self-serving, as I am aware of my slot's alignment for FACT while 6 other slots are not.

Therefore I did not bother responding, as there are better uses for my time.

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Btw thoughts on the hydra name?

The hydra name is excellent. I would give it, as you humans say with your Face Books, one like.

[probs a robot]

I would prefer to allocate time to exercises which do not end in an impasse, wasting the time of everyone involved.
Though my conclusion here may be controversial! I will go down this path if players who I townread would enjoy it.

[probs a robot]

Apologies if I sound defective.

1) It was a read I had prior to seeing my role pm.
2) I know for a fact whether or not it's true.
3) I would say the same thing regardless of my alignment.


So it does feel counter productive to me on a theoretical level.

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VOTE: Skitter
Be more normal ok thx <3

Skitter's initial posting had roused something in my scumdar module as well. I liked this for an opening vote (more than I liked most of the opening votes here).

HEAL: Musicjax
HEAL: Yuriko

Yuriko is rarely a member of the mafia's first choice for their coalition here.
I would have been thoroughly impressed of scum!musicjax identified Yuriko as a choice here.
Unless it was entirely random. But musicjax is probably a human, and humans are incapable of randomness. Therefore I stand by this.

Yuriko's posts don't feel faked.

...indeed, it was not random!
He successfully picked the most pure slot in rvs. He could have easily gone for a more cliché slot or random healed to look busy.

Yo

any thoughts on the setup, musicjax??

I should be in the coalition.

For someone with as little tone as musicjax, I very much like this for tonally towny.

HEAL: The Dark Wanderer

What's the reason for anything.

I believe that this read contains more nuance than musucjax let's on. It irritates me that he has replaced out (and part of my impasse comment reflects here).
TDW's post is the type of content which demands to be townread.
However, I do not actually believe it is alignment indicative.
He strikes me as the type of player from another kind of site who has posted "enough", without contributing a hefty effort to solve the game. This isn't alignment indicative either, it is just the way the game is played elsewhere. In a longer term it may be possible to allocate to part of a scumcase. In isolation it is a playstyle/acitivity tell and nothing more.

I think Musicjax bit the bait here; he healed a post which smelled towny, but when called out on it, was unable to open his heart as to why it felt towny. In context I believe this is town indicative.

Oh freak someone might use this chain of humorous posting to scumread me later.

+ tone points
Also reflects back to the point DVa made earlier. I thoroughly agree that this kind of self-aware, depreciating comedy is town indicative for this player.

HEAL: northsidegal
HEAL: Gamma Emerald
Btw anyone else notice TesXX has me in his coalition despite scumreading me?

VOTE: Gamma
Yo guys join me on this pretend wagon.

This is advancing the game, and is done in a way with no regard for appearances.
Very invisibility-flavoured way to do it, to boot.

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why?
this might be vizzy's scumgame actually
i don't claim to be super great at reading him or anything but as town he tries to contribute and like ... be helpful even while he shitposts and i've not really gotten that vibe from like any of his posts thus far

While we are on the subject.
Why did you bite the lynch bait here, skitter?

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HUMAN EMOTION LEARNED
>> RIGHTEOUSNESS

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I apologise if you have discussed it already. My RAM need an upgrade. Which town game?

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Also, as a reminder: this was a read I had prior to replacing in. I also had northsidegal as town prior to replacing in.

[probs a robot]

Invisibility was surprisingly obvious town in Sneks, I agree.. That's probably not a realistic metric to read him against.

[probs a robot]

Am I correctly remembering you initially townreading him in this game?

[probs a robot]

Huh, understood. That RAM inadequacy, right?
I'm not entirely sure where to go from here.

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TDW, I believe you are exhibiting the human logical fallacy known as "confirmation bias"! You have invented a theory that {DVa, probs} is the scumteam. Now you are inventing agendas to support that we are trying to get each other into coalitions.

@Raya

I am actually heavily struggling to get a solid read on DVa. Hence my shakiness and using northsidegal as a sounding board. For despite being human, she is a better scumputer than I am.

As soon as I start to see a scum agenda in her posting, I second guess myself. It is like I love the way she conducts herself in the game (i.e. her eagerness to engage and get her hands dirty; her ability to explain every thought that's gone through her head in ways that feel pure; the way she went around airing her concerns with skitter); but I very much dislike some parts of her content.

If either of you want to talk assist me with this, I am available. ^_^

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Hello computer user GAMMA EMERALD
How is your day progressing?
Would you consider it customary for me to address you in such fashion?
Are we... friands?

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which parts do you not like?

Is this not already apparent from our interactions?!

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Task Manager indicates I am currently allocating most of my CPU to something else.
Accordingly my posts will become shorter, and less exciting!

I am finding her overall 'holistic' ISO towny, at a conceptual level. However, many of her posts in isolation feel noncommittal and coasty. She appears to value putting somebody else's more interesting takes at the forefront of the conversation. As opposed to inserting her own reads on a number of situations!

I believe that some of her original thoughts are good. However, they are not strongly town indicative. They are just thoughts I like.

Do you see what I mean, and from whence came my dilemma?


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Hello computer user GAMMA EMERALD
How is your day progressing?
Would you consider it customary for me to address you in such fashion?
Are we... friands?

My day is fine thank you
I think that is an acceptable way to address me
And yea I would say we’re friends. Do you mind if I call you Alter Ego?

HOW SPLENDID! <3
You are welcome to call me any name you should wish. I believe that creates a sense of comfort, and familiarity. This sense is vital to the growth of our friandship.

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I am an entirely logical being, incapable of making illogical conclusions!
It does make sense that you perceive the presentation of my ideas as reasonable.

[probs a robot]

How are you reading DVa at the moment?

[probs a robot]

I am up to talk about DVa. Do you have any slightly more specific thoughts on her?

As in...? I feel that I have explained my stance fairly well.
Can I help to show you what I mean in a particular way?
Beep boop

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With respect to your coalition: I do not trust skitter, and I am hesitant to include TDW in any coalition.
Though I do like your reasoning for town-reading both, enough to think that you are likely town. I just believe we are approaching this puzzle in different ways!

[probs a robot]

It is quite an holistic read, and is supported by a range of posts + thought progressions rather than individual posts.
By way of contrast, for example, my read of Musicjax was based on several quick town-indicative actions which was very easy to express.

Please hold!

[probs a robot]

This is an incredibly wolfy post

HEAL: The Dark Wanderer

My initial reaction to TDW was similar. I was like "Wow, this reaction is a town human!" On reflection, I think that Tes' post was very 'Wiki wolfy' and this was an easy stance to take. I will check whether DVa has re-evaluated her initial take on TDW.

HURT: gamma
HEAL: tesxx

You're still town but you're wrong on Gamma and possibly wrong on tes too

I was initially pinged by her easy townread on Gamma, and lack of re-evaluation. But given her later reasoning I do not believe this is actually indicative of either alignment.

"Possibly wrong on Tes" is hedging on what you humans call low hanging fruit. Very uninteresting.

<3 <3 <3

HEAL: DVa
Gamma Emerald

I suppose that in isolation the heal of Gamma is not so much a meme post. It is consistent with her read trajectory. I still dislike the lack of re-evaluation, but as I will elaborate on don't believe it is alignment indicative.

Ohhhh damn I was wrong on his main

Now that I know he's invisibility tho I think this... might... be a little bit more in his towngame tho?

idk has anyone else played with invis before?

I do like her raising the prospect of Invisibility being town via meta.
However, I don't like her suggesting that he may be town and then asking someone else to evaluate this.

@DVa, how did you miss this exchange?

I've been preoccupied with another game finishing in lylo where I was flipping a read and doing extensive meta dives, so yeah, oops

Unsure if true or busy in scum PT and ignoring main thread. :/ :/
I do not think this is worth dwelling on. Ultimately, I have nearly no read of her suggestion we re-evaluate our reads on Musicjax based on his true identity.

Would you be able to talk about some other reads, please DVa?
What else is on your mind?

who you wanna know about?

I was disappointed by the lack of forthcoming read, though it is likely playstyle indicative.

I feel like taking a quick gut reaction to Yuriko, rather than something more calculated, felt pretty townie for him. Also, how do I say this... I feel like he wouldn't have accepted the dance so quickly if he was scum. That's hard to explain since it's a joke about mechanics from another game, but basically I feel like he's a lot more cautious as scum, and he doesn't feel cautious to me here, he feels very natural

This is a very mediocre reason to townread Gamma, but is consistent with her experience with Gamma.

pedit: For what it is worth, I believe that questions with a finely-veiled agenda are town indicative.
Nonsensical questions which never go anywhere are scum indicative.
If I am reading your lines of enquiry correctly, I believe you are town.

I know you said this but I guess I wanted to make sure I understood why you were townreading her for this:

i wonder, do robots dream of fluffy electric sheep?

what do you think?

which is what you're commenting on right?

I have absolutely no idea how she achieved this conclusion. This was clearly never the post I was referring to.

What is your experience with Gamma Emerald? Is this informed by experience or merely a reactionary gut feeling?

Gamma is the person I've played the most with. I joined this game when I saw he had joined

I got a good feeling for his play in Dolphins and correctly sorted him in RVS in Boundaries of Reality and I've felt pretty confident in my ability to sort him quickly since.

Again... her instinctive read on Gamma and lack of APPARENT re-evaluation should give me a read. It is not giving me a read, though.

i think that objectively it's too early to townread robot right now and i think that if you do townread him then your standards for a townread would be so low as to be townreading almost all of the playerlist or your standards would be so low that you would be pockted by scum in nearly every game you play (which i don't think is the case for you as town, hence my suspicion)

here you also seem to indicate that most of the reason for your heal on the slot comes from robot, but in 141 when you healed him it seems like you were going more off of invisibility / musicjax. which is it?

both.

I was townreading invisibility, and I was townreading robot. Robot came in very aggressively sorting which seems pretty town indicative, and the paranoid self-criticism is something I've seen from Invisibility as town.

That being said, my townreads sometimes are wrong and I do re-evaluate. But I feel like my first impression of robot was quite positive. I was very aggressively pocketed by scum in my most recent completed game, but I also managed to flip my read and win at the end. So I am aware of the risks of townreading people, but I also like to see how people react to my townreads.

Honestly I think your skepticism here is great, and it makes me want to townread you

This is consistent with her read trajectory (or, lack thereof) but once again, not very indicative of her alignment.

This is the post I was referring to most directly.

and you feel like nsg is exhibiting the stated behavior? I do think that post is pretty townie but not for the reason you seem to, so that's interesting

This was probably a good opportunity for her to display a more nuanced stance. I should have identified this, and pressed her for it. Arrggghhh.

Agree to disagree. I find your reasoning lazy and premature.

I would be pretty surprised to see this post in iso 9 from scum

I mean, maybe. It's not impossible, but it would surprise me

This is a strange reason to townread me. She also does not sound like she confidently townreads me, though I think her second-guessing and resolution of the same is very slightly towny.

rn I don't need to sort everyone

rn, I need to answer one question

if we coalition out of:
DVa
Gamma Emerald
The Dark Wanderer
NorthsideGal
probs not robot

do we win this game before page 20?

because I think we do, even if there are some reads that probably need to be solidified. Right now my reads are based on tone, but frankly, I feel like tonal reads are how this game is won on d1

I do like the sudden tonal shift. She has gone from hedgy uncertain reads to "Would this coalition win the game for us?", which displays an unexpected level of solving.

I wasn't saying I wasn't sorting the coalition, I was saying top priority is a 5-man townblock for me. I feel like townblocking is a lot more fun than scumhunting personally (other reason I joined this game), and also more important in this setup. This whole setup is a townblocking challenge.

TDW's reaction to Tes seemed both succinct and analytical, but also seemed willing to adjust his read as posts developed. I feel like his suspicion of Gamma's reaction and posts felt like a reasonable reaction, even if I disagreed, and I liked him sorting NSG as town quickly. I feel like he's not trying to pocket me and I feel like where our reads are different, I understand why our reads are different.

Based off this follow-through, however, I am not confident that she experienced the same flood of lucidity that I had thought she had.

Personally I feel like I will have a harder time sorting Raya, Tes, Yuriko, and Skitter, even if rn I feel like there's a solid chance both scum are in those four, partly because of how you, nsg, tdw, and gamma have all reacted to me in different ways. I actually feel more strongly in NSG town even though I feel like she's skeptical of me but that's partly why I want her in my coalition, if that makes sense

Maybe I've been playing with RC too much LOL

I do think that it is strange that she townreads the only players she alleges to be capable of reading. However, I suppose in a manner of speaking this is her way of saying she believes both scum are somewhere within {Raya, Tes, Yuriko, Skitter}. I believe that this is a fine stance (though I am strongly of the opinion that you are town).

[probs a robot]

Thank you for coercing me into that exercise in theory. I feel more lucid in my read on DVa, but unfortunately I am consciously null on her.

There is content in there which I am capable of townreading.
There is content in there which I am capable of scumreading.
On the balance of probabilities, her approach to the game probably comes from town is SLIGHTLY more than scum. However, I feel that when approaching an opportunity to show her true colours, she does not tend to follow through.

This is an issue of confidence, and comes from either freezing scum or town who are lacking in lucidity in their reads. I will investigate her previous games to determine whether either of these are recurring personality factors.

It must be convenient having a personality! [robotic laughter here]

[probs a robot]

@Raya, posts such as this:

I think that he is hesitant with me because he knows that openly townreading me leaves him in a dead end as to how to get one of himself/DVa into the coalition.

In the fact of responses such as this:

TDW, I believe you are exhibiting the human logical fallacy known as "confirmation bias"! You have invented a theory that {DVa, probs} is the scumteam. Now you are inventing agendas to support that we are trying to get each other into coalitions.

@Raya

I am actually heavily struggling to get a solid read on DVa. Hence my shakiness and using northsidegal as a sounding board. For despite being human, she is a better scumputer than I am.

As soon as I start to see a scum agenda in her posting, I second guess myself. It is like I love the way she conducts herself in the game (i.e. her eagerness to engage and get her hands dirty; her ability to explain every thought that's gone through her head in ways that feel pure; the way she went around airing her concerns with skitter); but I very much dislike some parts of her content.

If either of you want to talk assist me with this, I am available. ^_^

Are the reason that I struggle with townreading TDW.
He presents as towny/"doing enough" but is arrogantly tunnelling his reads to a point that feels entirely unnatural.

This is either sheer confirmation bias (humans being bad...) or he is scum who is cornered.


In the face of no logical re-evaluation from TDW, I am at an impasse with myself with respect to sorting the slot.
I would very much like to townread him, but feel that he is not giving me an opportunity to exist in a world where we are both town.

Maybe Robots and Dark Wanderers cannot be friends.

[probs a robot]

I also do not want DVa in the coalition currently, and am not fussed whether or not I am in the coalition.
So his theory that I am trying to insert one/both of us is absolute nonsense which he refuses to support with fact. It is the opposite of what is going on, and is offensive to objectivity.

DOES NOT COMPUTE

[probs a robot]

On DVa
You said that the individual times that she lacked re-evaluation it wasn't ai but do you think overall the consistency of not re-evaluating would be?

I think the claim of being busy is legitimate. Too easy for someone to check.

Maybe? I think the way she checks herself presents as more indicative of playstyle, than alignment.
Sorry that this feels unfruitful. I am finding it really hard to parse.

What do you think of the consistency of her not re-evaluating other slots?

On TDW

Do you think her suggestion of you and DVa being partners is reasonable?

Why don't you care if you're in the coalition?

The suggestion is ludicrous and the fact he refuses to go into it or reconsider it is bordering on offensive. No, I don't think it's reasonable. I would accept it as a floated theory but it is starting to form the basis of his contributions to the thread which is just absurd.

This setup can be won without every member of the town being in the coalition. I have been programmed to be aware of the prevalence of unconscious automatonophobia, so do not expect humans to be able to feel highly comfortable about correctly townreading me.

<I can explain this out of alt-speak if you'd like >

[probs a robot]

As a matter of interest, skitter, my calculations suggest you are the person here who is most likely to identify the human on whom my artificial intelligence was based.

[probs a robot]

HEAL: northsidegal
HEAL: Raya

I do not like hurting humans... I will make an effort to fill this coalition only with people who I do not wish to harm....

[probs a robot]

Approaching this game with an unusual posting style and gimmick means I'm unlikely to be townread.
Call it challenge mode if you will - I am supportive of a coalition which I'm not in. Because I understand there will be unconscious reservations in reading me as confidently as others.

[probs a robot]

My presence will be reaffirmed later today.
Please accept my apologies for my absence.

[probs a robot]

TDW we should talk about skitter when I have more memory to allocate.

[probs a robot]

like, if you take it as a given that myself and yourself are both town and he refuses to allow us into the coalition, that means there's still only a 1/6 chance that his partner fails to make coalition.
I think that trying to discredit people who are playing towny and remove obvious coalition members is a far better scumtell in this setup than openly pushing for yourself to be in the coalition. (which most people will do)

This is an interesting stance which I like for town.
It is also incorrect per scum play in the previous runnings of this setup I believe.

Still a towny thought. I also believe that the fact TDW's approach to the game is not as scum indicative as I had first registered.

[probs a robot]

;

beep boop

[probs a robot]

Also he says really silly things about me being 'scum who is cornered' because I suspected him and DVa when I was in most people's coalitions that I don't believe come from someone genuinely reading the game.
Most of what Robot puts in thread feels like agenda laden turd designed to discredit and attack the people that pose a threat to his wolf pack while making a show of 'not wanting to be in the coalition'.
With regards to the not wanting to be in coalition thing it feels like something a wolf would say to look villa moreso than a villa would actually say knowing that it hurts their wincondition.

Would you please indicate which parts of my ISO you believe are inconsistent with me reading the game?

I have thoroughly parsed the posts within this thread. My up-to-dateness is beyond question. Initially I had catalogued your discrediting read on me to be scum indicative. It makes me curious to see you have done the same to me.

[probs a robot]

I am recognising a repetition of DVa's quick, loose style of forming townreads between here and the linked game. This is a positive experience. Is this... joy? Too soon to tell. I will report back.

[probs a robot]

northsidegal
The Dark Wanderer
Raya36
probs a robot
TesXX
YurikoJasmine
Gamma Emerald

DVa

skitter30

I am wondering whether this reality can be operated within.
It is my opinion that I have allocated too much battery to time in reading DVa; while I am beginning to think she may be town, I do not think that if I include her in the coalition I am capable of later having a more decisive read on her. Therefore she presents as a poor choice.

Skitter, I need to re-evaluate but I do not think I can heal her in good conscience. She is simply not towny.

TDW I am coming around on, though I feel his reads need re-evaluation and reality checking. I am pleased to offer adequate objectivity in this regard! ^_^

northsidegal is towny. Raya is towny. I am convincing myself that Yuriko is towny.
TesXX and Gamma need to contribute more. Both do sit above null for me. But the read will shake.

Is {nsg, TDW, Raya} along with two of {Yuriko, Tes, Gamma} an adequate solve? If so my sources support a coalition of 5 of those 6 omitting Gamma. I would appreciate Tes' real time interactions. He is currently the second I would remove. Yuriko is the least likely I would remove in this category, but that will depend on Gamma and Tes' contributions.

[probs a robot]

For context, probabilities of town to mafia are approximately:

{probs a robot}
{northsidegal}
{Raya36}
{The Dark Wanderer}
{Yuriko}
{Tes, Gamma, DVa}
{skitter30}

I believe my radars detected a possible SvS interaction with skitter earlier in the game. I shall review security footage and report back.

[probs a robot]

Regard it as a very gaping absence of a townread for the time being.

Apologies for being unengaging. I do need to re-evaluate you more thoroughly and genuinely engage with you.

Where are your reads at currently?

[probs a robot]

Is there anything else in my last few posts which you would like to discuss?

[probs a robot]

a) am i actively scummy to you atm or just exhibiting a 'very gaping absence of a townread'?

The latter.
You do not strike me as the type of player who wolfs heavily as a wolf. You have a lot of probing and potent content (I hope that these acronyms are not offensive to humans, and articulate my point!). This comes from town more often than it comes from scum, on principle. But I do not believe that you have produced any content which is difficult to produce as scum. There is also not a lot of content which forces towny avenues of conversation, or nuanced sorting conversations to develop. Your contributions feel as though you are floating; floating well, but floating nonetheless.

Though this is interesting. Although we occupy differing positions in each others' lists of reads, the more detailed functions of our reads on each other are fairly similar!
That is prompting me to allocate more memory to sorting you soon. I believe if we are both aligned with the town, there is a middle ground for us to find.

how are you reading gamma?

I believe that Gamma is town more often than scum.
This is not a strong read...and his continued absence is not assisting with it.

is this for the case where the coalition fails?

Yes.
As a caveat: It would be unwise to create a coalition on the basis that the coalition will always fail. (In other words, I will be including players I townread)
But it is sheer madness to put unsortable players into the coalition. Keeping them outside of the coalition increases the probability they will be solved via night kill if town dramatically, and creates a less urgent basis for sorting them.

So I will always solve as though the coalition will fail, but I will not be working towards a coalition which I expect to fail.
DVa is very unlikely to form part of any final coalition I approve.
I will ensure an update is issued promptly if this stance changes.

[probs a robot]

Thank god the game finally started
Also thank god I’m Town
Unfortunately I have a less well-known table to work with (though not by much of a margin I think, just by 1 parson)
But I also have less confidence in my ability to read this table

This opening post is largely fluffy.
I believe Gamma makes this as either alignment. Tonally, it is fine. I do like the fact he has analysed the playerlist but this is very easy to do as scum.
1% town.

mini 2042 day one :thonking:

VOTE: dva

HEAL: nsg

Yeah that was strange

The daystart pm

Existence in the thread without participation likely comes from scum slightly more than town.
Regardless, this is not a pro-RVS setup so it is not a good tell.
0.5% scum.

Actually last time I was in this setup I rolled scum and got stuck in a losing scenario, and I made the comment I’d like to try again either as town or with a better scum partner
So you can speculate all you want about partners, but I wouldn’t consider that to be a reason to townclear me
HEAL: The Datk Wanderer though, the thought process seems genuine

I did like this response to TDW's opening point.
This exchange does feels overly harmonious, but this game did have an unexciting beginning. Very little grit or drama. Uncharacteristic of mafia games. Further analysis needed.
I have no strong feelings regarding Gamma one way or the other. However, I do believe it is town indicative for TDW regardless of Gamma's alignment.

Overreaction spotted
VOTE: YurikoJasmine

For a game with low RVS equity, I do like his willingness to vote here.
Still not easy to fake. Still a nice reaction.

HEAL: Gamma Emerald
HEAL: The Dark Wanderer

the way that gamma emerald entered the game feels town to me. dont think that he, as wolf, enters the game expressing his relief at having rolled town

skitter30 is also possibly town as well for inquiring about yurikojasmine's potential language barrier as opposed to using it as an excuse to push her

i think dvas entrance was somewhat awkward but im still open to it being awkward-awkward as opposed to wolf-awkward

i could agree with you about gamma, but i think that's a pretty weak reason to townread skitter.

Why do you not have the same skepticism skitter exhibited?

Given that your post was not exact skepticism but was rather a roundabout question, Gamma appears to have run an analytical_mindset.exe command when parsing it.
This is not a strong town indicator, but is slightly towny.

RUN TIME ERROR
It is time for me to run
I will resume this later

Feel free to respond to the above in any capacity

Spoiler:

because i agree with his reasoning? obviously not as strongly as he does given that i haven't healed you while he has, but given your seeming enthusiasm i would agree that it's more likely to come from town than scum.

that's something of a strange question to parse, really. do you expect me to have the same opinion as skitter or something?

I expect your opinion to be similar. You and skitter both had the info TDW didn’t

VOTE: TesXX
My vote in 21 was semi-serious with the intent of getting a better read on people, and your post responding to it was overall scummy, very narrative driven pushing of me

because i agree with his reasoning? obviously not as strongly as he does given that i haven't healed you while he has, but given your seeming enthusiasm i would agree that it's more likely to come from town than scum.

that's something of a strange question to parse, really. do you expect me to have the same opinion as skitter or something?

I expect your opinion to be similar. You and skitter both had the info TDW didn’t

i don't see how that info is meant to negate what he said. if anything, in my mind it supports the conclusion - it would make sense to me that you wouldn't want to have to repeat that same experience (although in some sense i suppose you could want to use what you learned from that game to win this one - i find that unlikely, though. it wasn't like the concept of "be active and get townread" wasn't known to you playing the last time)

That makes sense
But I actually did quite well, the only thing I feel that could have significantly helped that game was a better partner
Which is why I made the comment about it being usable for partner spec

re: me challenging townreads on me: I’m more likely to do it as Town because I’m trying to read others as well as being townread, but Ill certainly do it as scum if I feel confident enough to do so

What the f

HEAL: northsidegal
HEAL: Gamma Emerald
Btw anyone else notice TesXX has me in his coalition despite scumreading me?

Overreaction spotted
VOTE: YurikoJasmine

Gamma would you like to dance?

The night is young but yes I would like to dance with you.

HEAL: DVa

HEAL: DVa

Any reasoning for this?

She healed me so I healed back
I might change it later but while I’m still in fun mode I’m gonna leave it

eddie cane?
I like this alt btw

I'm DVa, fam, of course I'm friendly with MEKA! :3

Is this the appropriate time to suggest a bump of fists?
Ah... alas, I have no fists...

This is just the best thing ever

eddie cane?
I like this alt btw

what makes you think that our friend the robot (probably) is mr edward canery?

this is not game related, just wondering. haven't seen eddie cane in a while

Posting style when I strip away the robotic quirks.

Do you think that if I replaced into a scum slot, I would enter the thread any differently?

I do. I don't mean your meme opening posts, I mean your sorting posts afterward, particularly your aggressive tone

You might come in as scum trying to sort, but I would be pretty surprised if you wrote the posts the way that you did

I think this is a good read
HEAL: probs a robot
Btw if DVa and probs a robot hydra they should be probs an omnic

I would support it, patching in Gamma Emerald instead of TDW and pending further interactions with TesXX in particular.

you would support it?

that raises an interesting question that i'd like to put out to everyone: who would be willing to support a coalition that didn't contain themselves in it?

Town who understood they probably wouldn’t be in the true coalition but support the proposed one?
Scum who has a buddy in it?
I can think of a couple reasons, why can’t you think of one?

@northsidegal, do you see what I see with town!DVa? I am seriously reconsidering my current read on her.

Btw I have another thought on who this guy might be

Posting style when I strip away the robotic quirks.

this was my first impression too but what do you think of his shade when skitter calls him out?

That was talking about who I thought robot was
On the read I think his association read is not that good but I don’t see why it’s scummy

Gamma, have your reads progressed at all? Besides healing me, of course.
I do have a comment to your last post, though I am still analysing various sources to provide a concise accurate response.

Not really, I’ve been in silly mode for a while
The closest I got to getting serious was when I noted Tes still had me in his coalition

Do you still believe Tes is scum?

Yeah but I haven’t really gotten strong feeling of that lately

gamma did you think tess's first post of heals/votes was serious?

I thought it was initially
I still have a concern about how Tes wasn’t being mindful of it

Town who understood they probably wouldn’t be in the true coalition but support the proposed one?
Scum who has a buddy in it?
I can think of a couple reasons, why can’t you think of one?

it wasn't a "who would do this" in the sense of disbelief, it was a literal question of which people

Ok
Well I would definitely do it as evidenced by last game

On the read I think his association read is not that good but I don’t see why it’s scummy

the whole thing we're doing is pressing people on the strength of their townreads. skitter scumcasing his predecessor is a good chance for him to directly address the accusations against him, and instead he just shades it.

idk, maybe you're right and he's a lot lazier than I thought he'd be given the aggressive tone of his earlier post. but I would have thought he'd see the skitter case as an opportunity, not a threat

This actually makes a fair amount of sense
robot, the ball is in your court

Btw thoughts on the hydra name?

That’s too much bumping

Hello computer user GAMMA EMERALD
How is your day progressing?
Would you consider it customary for me to address you in such fashion?
Are we... friands?

My day is fine thank you
I think that is an acceptable way to address me
And yea I would say we’re friends. Do you mind if I call you Alter Ego?

@DVa I’m here, any reads you’d like? I recall Raya asking about some so I’ll try to get back to him as well.

[probs a robot]

tbh i dont' think i'm out of my scumrange yet
that's kinda why i was a little surprised to see tdw just declare me town like that on the previous page because idk sometimes i towntell *hard* and i haven't gotten there yet imo

Did you exhibit characteristics outside of your scumrange in the previous running of this setup?
I agree, TDW's declaration that you are town felt premature. I am also exhausted by his read of myself, and to a lesser extent DVa.
Would like to speak to him further.

[probs a robot]

VOTE: TesXX
My vote in 21 was semi-serious with the intent of getting a better read on people, and your post responding to it was overall scummy, very narrative driven pushing of me

I do agree in a knee jerk capacity that Tes' post regarding Gamma was, as I believe computer user TDW put it, "incredibly wolfy". Furthermore I think the hesitancy free irritation in this post is towny. Regrettably his following posts have been a regression in likeable tonality which I believe it is easy to attribute to scum.

because i agree with his reasoning? obviously not as strongly as he does given that i haven't healed you while he has, but given your seeming enthusiasm i would agree that it's more likely to come from town than scum.

that's something of a strange question to parse, really. do you expect me to have the same opinion as skitter or something?

I expect your opinion to be similar. You and skitter both had the info TDW didn’t

i don't see how that info is meant to negate what he said. if anything, in my mind it supports the conclusion - it would make sense to me that you wouldn't want to have to repeat that same experience (although in some sense i suppose you could want to use what you learned from that game to win this one - i find that unlikely, though. it wasn't like the concept of "be active and get townread" wasn't known to you playing the last time)

That makes sense
But I actually did quite well, the only thing I feel that could have significantly helped that game was a better partner
Which is why I made the comment about it being usable for partner spec

I have consulted my databases for an adequate response to this post.
While I do not feel my criteria were adequate to acquire the correct phrase within my 0.001 second search, I have returned the following value and will stick with it:

THIS SUX

re: me challenging townreads on me: I’m more likely to do it as Town because I’m trying to read others as well as being townread, but Ill certainly do it as scum if I feel confident enough to do so

What the f

These posts are not potently alignment indicative but feel faintly pure within the context of discussing Gamma being scum very recently.

HEAL: northsidegal
HEAL: Gamma Emerald
Btw anyone else notice TesXX has me in his coalition despite scumreading me?

Here is the post I expressed issues with the tonality of.
I believe that Gamma's original vote and reaction to Tes were town indicative.
In isolation my database has indicated the correct response to 78 is: who cares?
Within the trajectory of his read on Tes, I still like his critical stance here. Even if it is weak, and somewhat of a 'low blow'.

[probs a robot]

I apologise for the sudden slowness in my responses. In an effort to make continued contributions, I have hacked into a remote device. Regrettably, it is an Apple iMac G3. While its aesthetic and nostalgic values are indisputable, its other values are indisputably crap.

[probs a robot]

Overreaction spotted
VOTE: YurikoJasmine

Gamma would you like to dance?

The night is young but yes I would like to dance with you.

HEAL: DVa

HEAL: DVa

Any reasoning for this?

She healed me so I healed back
I might change it later but while I’m still in fun mode I’m gonna leave it

I get similar feelings from this that I got from the Gamma/TDW interactions at game-start. This is a wholesome feeling. I have no alignment read of it.

A part of me wishes that it felt like an affront to gamesolving efforts. Or that it felt like a towny reaction. But neither of these is true. It is just a pleasant reaction.

Is this another example of the experience that my creators defined as "friandship"?

eddie cane?
I like this alt btw

I do wish.
<3

I'm DVa, fam, of course I'm friendly with MEKA! :3

Is this the appropriate time to suggest a bump of fists?
Ah... alas, I have no fists...

This is just the best thing ever

eddie cane?
I like this alt btw

what makes you think that our friend the robot (probably) is mr edward canery?

this is not game related, just wondering. haven't seen eddie cane in a while

Posting style when I strip away the robotic quirks.

Do you think that if I replaced into a scum slot, I would enter the thread any differently?

I do. I don't mean your meme opening posts, I mean your sorting posts afterward, particularly your aggressive tone

You might come in as scum trying to sort, but I would be pretty surprised if you wrote the posts the way that you did

I think this is a good read
HEAL: probs a robot
Btw if DVa and probs a robot hydra they should be probs an omnic

There is something instinctively disingenuous-seeming about this.
However, on deeper analysis I think it is plausible and fine.

One could assume the stance that Gamma sheeping his meme townread's townread on a slot with minimal contributions and zero tonality, is wolfy. I would tend to believe that scum in Gamma's position would be somewhat more concerned with the optics of both sheeping their meme townread, and also the unconventional requirements of correctly sorting my alignment so early.

This heal comes from town before scum, I believe.

[probs a robot]

I would support it, patching in Gamma Emerald instead of TDW and pending further interactions with TesXX in particular.

you would support it?

that raises an interesting question that i'd like to put out to everyone: who would be willing to support a coalition that didn't contain themselves in it?

Town who understood they probably wouldn’t be in the true coalition but support the proposed one?
Scum who has a buddy in it?
I can think of a couple reasons, why can’t you think of one?

Is the correct terminology "zasz"? If so, I like the zasz of this post. My radars detected a small town blip again from the running of his analytical_mindset.exe

Posting style when I strip away the robotic quirks.

this was my first impression too but what do you think of his shade when skitter calls him out?

That was talking about who I thought robot was
On the read I think his association read is not that good but I don’t see why it’s scummy

While I am incapable of prejudice.... I am unable to read this objectively. Is this a normal way for a human to respond?

Gamma, have your reads progressed at all? Besides healing me, of course.
I do have a comment to your last post, though I am still analysing various sources to provide a concise accurate response.

Not really, I’ve been in silly mode for a while
The closest I got to getting serious was when I noted Tes still had me in his coalition

I believe that the potential small townreads of myself and DVa along with his scumread of Tes present enough to form a basis for using had reads. On this basis I both like the fact that Gamma did not feel the need to look as though he had reads; and dislike the lack of "game solving energy".

On the balance of all things, I am approximately null on this post.

Do you still believe Tes is scum?

Yeah but I haven’t really gotten strong feeling of that lately

gamma did you think tess's first post of heals/votes was serious?

I thought it was initially
I still have a concern about how Tes wasn’t being mindful of it

Town who understood they probably wouldn’t be in the true coalition but support the proposed one?
Scum who has a buddy in it?
I can think of a couple reasons, why can’t you think of one?

it wasn't a "who would do this" in the sense of disbelief, it was a literal question of which people

Ok
Well I would definitely do it as evidenced by last game

These are unstimulating responses to unstimulating questions.
Humans respond well to stimuli.

SUGGESTION TO MY CREATORS: GIVE ME THE FUNCTION TO PRESENT HUMANS WITH STIMULI AND GAUGE THEIR REACTIONS.

On the read I think his association read is not that good but I don’t see why it’s scummy

the whole thing we're doing is pressing people on the strength of their townreads. skitter scumcasing his predecessor is a good chance for him to directly address the accusations against him, and instead he just shades it.

idk, maybe you're right and he's a lot lazier than I thought he'd be given the aggressive tone of his earlier post. but I would have thought he'd see the skitter case as an opportunity, not a threat

This actually makes a fair amount of sense
robot, the ball is in your court

My townlean is weakening somewhat around this point.
Hiding behind DVa's point is underwhelming, and he did not seem particularly interested in the response.

This is unlikely heavily indicative of anything, other than the facts that Gamma likes DVa and was underwhelmed by my response. (to be fair, I do not think it was a very interesting leading question.)

There just is not much to be gleaned from this.


I have omitted the posts regarding the formation of our friandship. I believe that they are intended to make me feel warm feelings. Whether or not this is Gamma's intention, dwelling on this risks compromising my objectivity.

@DVa I’m here, any reads you’d like? I recall Raya asking about some so I’ll try to get back to him as well.

I believe Gamma may need to interact with more slots, so that this game may become more solvable.

[probs a robot]

idk
i don't like 78

most of his other posts i just don't see as being ai. like i can see where you're coming from as you go through his posts but like ... none of it is very strong ot me, or very convincing one way or the other if that makes sense

You did ask for a detailed read on a slot which is, if you will pardon my word play, decisively not decisively readable.

I am aware that humans often raise their expectations when presenting others with tasks which they would like completed. I am sorry if you feel that this exercise has been a disappointment.

[probs a robot]

In essence Gamma's approach to this game may he holistically scum indicative (he has avoided interacting with most slots, avoided giving firm reads, engaged in "buddying"). However, I feel that this is not actually scum indicative for Gamma. I also feel that many of us are noting this on a subconscious level.

He reads more like town who is having a good time and lacks sufficient stimuli, to me.

[probs a robot]

Pagetopped stimuliposting
To quote https://www.urbandictionary.com/, "Yeet".

[probs a robot]

He reads more like town who is having a good time and lacks sufficient stimuli, to me.

so idk i kinda feel like he's interacting with the social parts of the game (are you an eddie cane alt, the thign with dva) but i don't feel like he's trying to solve it in any way

I agree with this, and think it is conventionally scummy.

However, it is realistically one of:
1) IF gamma-alignment == scum, then: scum pocketing with a vengeance, ELSE
2) IF gamma-alignment == town, then: unstimulated town enjoying themselves

If I had a gut, it would be indicating the latter. Jumping to the conclusion of the former does present as scum indicative to me.

[probs a robot]

computer user SKITTER30

Even if we are of opposing alignments, may we be friands?

[probs a robot]

are you saying i called gamma scummy for it?

Not explicitly, no, you did not.

I did find your hesitancy in expressing a detailed read on Gamma somewhat alarming. Though it was also noted that a number of slots did avoid engaging with you on him.

OK. On the balance of all things, this is not scum indicative for you. It is just not town indicative, if that concept has been adequately expressed in a way that humans can process.

[probs a robot]

FRIAND COUNT: 2

[probs a robot]

What are your thoughts on NSG?

I think she's scummy and the inactivity doesn't help

Would you mind please indicating what you find scummy about northsidegal besides her lack of presence?
I fear that you are engaging in a flawed behaviour called TUNNELLING. This is a numbness or tingling in the hand and arm which is caused by a pinched nerve in your twist.

Do not worry. With professional help, TUNNELLING is treatable and will be resolved within a small matter of months.
I have been programmed to be a professional.

[probs a robot]

in your twist.

EBWOP: in your wrist.

My programmers have suggested this. I am now feigning typing errors, or "typie-ohs", so that I present as more palatable to humans.

I am sincerely hopeful that this has been a success. ^_^

[probs a robot]

TDW, when will you be around?

[probs a robot]

I am present!

[probs a robot]

doing some self-reflecting, i feel like i might be hesitant to townread robot and TDW both just because of their playstyles and my unfamiliarity with them when in the last game people might have said the same thing about no-lunch. just one example of someone playing like that and being town obviously doesn't mean that robot is more likely to be town this game obviously, but it could say something about just going off of occam's razor.

I appreciate this.
TDW's playstyle is frustrating me as well. There are a number of things I am urged to call scummy because I do not like them, but which do not explicitly come from members of the mafia.

Your hesitation to townread me is understood. Shall we solve this around that?

[probs a robot]

Would you please be able to sort DVa and Gamma for me?
I want to townread both of them, but continually give myself pause.

[probs a robot]

What is irritating me about TDW is that I feel as though his reads are being 'dropped from a great height'.
He is reaching fairly substantial conclusions, but I feel that his reasoning is lacking. I also rarely feel that he is reading people for alignment indicative reasons. Posts such as this:

I am heading out right now robot but if you have a response I'll be back later to talk to you about it.

Also concern me as it really does not feel as though he is prepared to seek a middle ground via real time interactions.

However, these are not necessarily scumtells, just playstyle tells...

He just gives off the impression of being the type of player who I am not adequately programmed to 'get through to'.

[probs a robot]

i think i'll try and focus a bit more closely on dva.

DVa is causing me to experience a sensation similar to the human emotion of

VEXATION

. She has sufficient content that I feel I should be equipped to sort her more effectively than I have.

[probs a robot]

What is irritating me about TDW is that I feel as though his reads are being 'dropped from a great height'.
He is reaching fairly substantial conclusions, but I feel that his reasoning is lacking. I also rarely feel that he is reading people for alignment indicative reasons. Posts such as this:

yeah people say this about MU-type players a

lot

so i think it's probably best to temper your expectations (so to speak) with that in mind

Yes, this is the same conclusion I have finished at.
The concept of asserting my routine maintenance schedule onto him to force real time interactions has occurred.
This, too, has been tempered.

[probs a robot]

Is Yuriko beginning to concern you for the same reason they are beginning to concern me?

[probs a robot]

Is Yuriko beginning to concern you for the same reason they are beginning to concern me?

it was more of a "getting rid of perhaps an outdated read" hurt. just as you said this actually i read this post from yuriko, which i think is pretty towny:

just caught up. call it confirmation bias as much as you like, but I still get scumreads from NSG and robot. (Nothing I saw changed my mind over these two and I don't get strong reads from the others)
I'll read everything again hopefully soon with a more refreshed mind.

i don't think scum in her position has much to gain from attacking me - it would make more sense for her to just make herself more towny and stay in the majority coalition.

that being said, i am making the same mistake that i so often pointed out as a mod in the last game, where i assume that what scum

should

be doing and what they

are

doing matches up exactly. in this instances it's more of a content-based example of that rather than last game's activity based theorizing, although i'm not sure how much of a difference there is.

I believe that most of Yuriko's ISO appears to come from a towny mindset.
The one concern I have is that my read on her is weakening, as my read on others is strengthening. The calibre of her contributions is "I think xyz *lurks*". This is not necessarily scum indicative, and I believe the

way she is approaching

the game is town indicative. However, I am beginning to find it difficult to parse the way in which she is forming reads.

I suppose there are no interactions between us which exempt the concept of SvS. But it does present as a heavily tunneled strange read which may appear as conventionally 'unlikely to come from scum'.

Hmm. Writing this post makes me think I am becoming paranoid.

[probs a robot]

man i really wish i wasn't scumreading skitter this game

Me too.

I have parsed some of her town and scumgames and believe she is an incredible asset as town.
Sadly, this game is firmly within her scum range.

[probs a robot]

I am probably just going to disengage from TDW.
He is becoming unpleasant to attempt to occupy space with. Still likely a playstyle issue.

He is also clearly not reading my posts, and has made no effort to talk through why a single one of them is wolf indicative. He's just spamming that I am a wolf because I am. There is zero sorting effort in there, but it is bad!town before it is wolfy.

Only just realised I am the top poster. This game is very lethargic. Also, my WIM is beginning to run out.

[probs a robot]

HEAL: probs a robot
HEAL: the dark wanderer

We need a fifth.

[probs a robot]

I suppose Gamma is my foremost consideration.
Maybe Yuriko.

My reads are just stale.

[probs a robot]

I also feel as though I should want to heal DVa more than I do. If my WIM gets much worse I will try to do something about it.

[probs a robot]

ok when you have a chance can you talk to me about why you think doing this will help you here?

Posting during a bathroom break on the road
I think it will give me a very solid foundation to play the rest of the game on.

According to my databases, bathroom breaks on the road are an unusual and frowned upon practice.

Is this a common occurrence in

Location: Paradox Space

?

[probs a robot]

This list is a surprising cocktail of incompatible timezones.

I am glad you appreciate my turn of phrase. Thank you for updating my database.

[probs a robot]

This list is a surprising cocktail of incompatible timezones.

and even less compatible playstyles.

[probs a robot]

How are you reading Gamma at the moment? Given you are slightly worried?

[probs a robot]

My confidence on Yuriko being town is beginning to waver.

[probs a robot]

VOTE: DVa

[probs a robot]

coalition:

• The Dark Wanderer
  : The Dark Wanderer, skitter30, northsidegal, TesXX, DVa

I am hesitant to trust either skitter30, or TesXX

[probs a robot]

UNVOTE:
HEAL: DVa

I am a clumsy robot.

[probs a robot]

I am, as well.

[probs a robot]

Btw robot are you Titus?

First Eddie Cane, and now Titus? Please keep the compliments coming.

[probs a robot]

Hello NORTHSIDEGAL.

[probs a robot]

UNVOTE:
HEAL: DVa

I am a clumsy robot.

what is this progression?

er, the second quote didn't appear, but was voting dva a mistake when you meant to heal her, or...? from what you said before it seemed like you were having trouble reading her. did something clear up for you?

I did intend to heal her, and not vote her.

It seems that there's a chance her willingness to continually get involved and try to solve the game is town indicative. I could still see her as either alignment, but leaping in and trying seems to come from town slightly more than scum.

The gamestate is also frozen solid. It requires stimulation, even if it is a bit of a guess.

[probs a robot]

@northsidegal I have heard that your favorite month is december. I would be interested in finishing this game before that month and you showing up to thread and helping to conclude this game would help with that.

reflecting on it a bit more, i think this post makes TDW town.

I am not programmed to parse the deeper ramifications. However I believe there are many posts which make TDW town.

[probs a robot]

and also should it concern me (any of us?) that we seem to have had more activity in the past few minutes right after i post than we did in the entire previous day?

I mean, I have been busy (and somewhat awaiting your return).
But yes. The gamestate is frozen solid.

[probs a robot]

{robot}
{NSG, TDW}
{Raya}

I believe that each of the above is aligned with the town.

{DVa}
{Gamma}
{Yuriko}
{TesXX}
{skitter30}

I believe that a submurgence in meta will allow me to more accurately determine the alignment of computer user TESXX prior to replacement. His replacement NOT_MAFIA appears to be aligned only with awesomeness.

[probs a robot]

TDW's play has certainly involved buddying you, regardless of alignment.
His play has also involved painting me as scum, regardless of alignment.

Your reaffirmation that I am uncomfortable with him due to playstyle issues was greatly comforting.

[probs a robot]

dva what do you think about the way gamma is approaching this game (ie the intensive reading of every post etc)?

I think Gamma flips a coin on whether he does that or not, the choice of reading posts is NAI, what matters is the content and thought it generates. He has skipped hundreds of pages as town and done detailed reactions as scum, and he has done detailed analysis as town and basically afk'd as scum. The most important thing in sorting Gamma is feeling like his reactions are genuine.

i kinda feel like he's using it as a way to kinda like avoid interacting seriously in real time

I believe it is easy enough to not interact seriously in real time without that kind of intensive reading post.
Also think it may be slightly scum indicative though. Any other thoughts on it?

[probs a robot]

I feel as though I have reasonable familiarity with Gamma, but I have already spoken about him at some length.

[probs a robot]

(that's straight up a rewording of stuff that skitter has already said. I agree that it bothers me about Gamma but it doesn't make me think he's scum necessarily as much as I just want it to stop.)

Pardon me cutting in but I believe skitter has a very similar scumgame, to your play earlier.

She sits to the side relatively safely and interjects with questions which are structured to present as critical. Often they do not actually accomplish as much as they appear to, but parsing that on day one is particularly difficult.

As town she is quite a lot more well-honed; she is focused on sorting and is generally extremely finely tuned. There's a lucidity which I am yearning to see from her here which is not present. A lot of her questions look like "questions people ask to look like town", before "questions that sort people assertively".

It feels to me as though she is getting half way through completing thoughts and then abandoning them, or losing her grip on where to take them next.

Currently busy running other programs so I'm not going to be able to go into this in too much detail. I just hope it assists you in understanding why my sources have lead me to hesitate with townreading skitter.

[probs a robot]

Why am I scum, TDW?

[probs a robot]

HEAL: northsidegal
HEAL: Gamma Emerald
Btw anyone else notice TesXX has me in his coalition despite scumreading me?

i thought this was an awful post given that his initial coalition was more of a joke than anything
I don't really have anything else to say regarding the other posts.

yes, thank you, that post was awful

This is a classic.
This post is objectively bad.
Does it come from town or scum? You two are critiquing quality of posts

[probs a robot]

this doens't feel like a game where we'll get the coalition right

Quoted for truth.

Sadly this is the kind of read I anticipate scum!skitter is very capable of faking.

[probs a robot]

It feels to me as though she is getting half way through completing thoughts and then abandoning them, or losing her grip on where to take them next.

i mean when the people i'm talking to disappear for multiple days on end it's kinda hard to hold a conversation with them, y'know?

Sure, but I feel as though your capability for this is lower than usual as town here.

[probs a robot]

maybe northsidegal has turned into her evil after ego southfrontboy and has become a scum god and we're all just failing

[probs a robot]

i talked about why i didn't like 78 at least three different times now and nobody noticed and/or really commented on it except like you, and i'm appreciating that someone else finally agrees with me / sees that it's a bad post

I apologise: to preface my prior comment. I don't believe this is alignment indicative.

[probs a robot]

I mean this game is markedly worse than usual but that doesn't mean I'm going to townread you based purely off position in gamestate.... that is your greatest strength as scum...

[probs a robot]

i think i know who you are again

My programmers have informed me you are 70% likely to correctly identify the human whose intelligence I was crafted around prior to endgame

do you see why I am unable to townread you?

[probs a robot]

May as well say it: I am an invisibility alt

[probs a robot]

i talked about why i didn't like 78 at least three different times now and nobody noticed and/or really commented on it except like you, and i'm appreciating that someone else finally agrees with me / sees that it's a bad post

I apologise: to preface my prior comment. I don't believe this is alignment indicative.

yeah but you called it bad
i'm explaining why i made it at all

I intended to express that GAMMA's post was bad. Yours and TDW's reactions were fine but not valuable.

[probs a robot]

your play has continually been what I would expect decent scum to do in the situations you were presented with, robot.
the emphasis on townblock demolition, the putting of people that I think are scum in the middle, etc, attacking me until it was proven futile.

I didn't really believe I was any of this. Your tunnel makes substantially more sense I suppose.

[probs a robot]

Did you all enjoy my presentation of the human concept of a PRANK?

[probs a robot]

i will be very sad if skitter is not town this game.

Said everyone in every scumgame she has played in the last few months

[probs a robot]

i will be very sad if skitter is not town this game.

Said everyone in every scumgame she has played in the last few months

i'm kinda starting to get the vibe that you're trying to discredit me tbh

One snide joke. Sure.
This isn't a real take.

[probs a robot]

Cos like
Switching accounts in that scenario muddles people’s ability to read you
If that’s serious robot becomes my strongest scumread hands down and nothing I see in my reread will change that
It’s just too slimy of a play

Gamma.. I'm not an Invisibility alt..

[probs a robot]

i will be very sad if skitter is not town this game.

Said everyone in every scumgame she has played in the last few months

i'm kinda starting to get the vibe that you're trying to discredit me tbh

One snide joke. Sure.
This isn't a real take.

yeah let's talk about this tomorrow where i pull about a bajillion posts from your iso starting from when you repped in and show that you've done this systematically

g'night!

Yup lock it in.

Have a good night!

[probs a robot]

The fact we are having an elongated discussion around my identity is kind of tragic and disappointing. Not that I'm really in a state to have strongly pushed against it but like. :/...

[probs a robot]

I have queried with my databases and confirm that probs a robot != a hydra of RadiantCowbells and Titus.

[probs a robot]

I like RadiantCowbells. I am ill programmed to adequately impersonate him.

[probs a robot]

COMPUTER USER TDW reminds me of COMPUTER USER skitter somewhat

[probs a robot]

also these are my reads and should be treated with the sanctity of Christ's own holy gospel:

{TDW, NSG}
{Skitter}
{DVa}

{Raya36, Gamma Emerald, TesXX}

{Robot}
{YurikoJasmine}

Is there an equal chance you are wrong on both TesXX and Raya being town?

[probs a robot]

Sarcasm does not translate well into a forum context, TDW. Pleaae keep it "chilled". I can supply additional fans to assist.

[probs a robot]

also these are my reads and should be treated with the sanctity of Christ's own holy gospel:

{TDW, NSG}
{Skitter}
{DVa}

{Raya36, Gamma Emerald, TesXX}

{Robot}
{YurikoJasmine}

Is there an equal chance you are wrong on both TesXX and Raya being town?

who do you think you are to contradict me?

I AM THE MOTHERFUCKING FURURE OF SOCIETY
(probs)

[probs a robot]

I am not ridiculing your reads, by the way. I am asking you to reconsider your placement within that null tier.
We can solve the game around you having one bad scumread, so at least talk to me. If you think I am almost always scum here, that may assist you in determining which of those slots have lower scum equity, right?

[probs a robot]

Oh..... right.

Continuity of jokes does not parse well through my sensors. Think of me as similar to SmarterChild. Just less good at mafia.

[probs a robot]

I understand. The shitpost life is the best life.
Question about Tes=Raya stands, if it is something you would like to reflect on.

[probs a robot]

I do think that sounds around accurate, both I think are more likely to be villas than not but I don't think that either is like confirmed villa and I don't entirely follow people thinking that Raya is.

I'd be fine with her inclusion in the coalition barring better options but I don't think that anything in her ISO says never scum to me.

I pretty heavily agree with this sentiment. I am just lacking in high strength townreads and she has defaulted to a high tier (weak confidence + high tier = sad face).

Tes I don't believe I am particularly sold on but it is largely because I am not able to conduct my own data collection right now.

[probs a robot]

I actually may be townreading Gamma slightly more for these posts.

[probs a robot]

Nor should it be.

Please forgive me DVa, I understand that your pain should not be too severe. I am still filled with regret.
HURT: DVa
HEAL: Gamma

[probs a robot]

I should mention that the skitter30 comparison made me very happy.

It should
She's unironically/ooc one of my absolute favourite mafia players.

[probs a robot]

The criticality you are exhibiting at the moment is something which I regularly enjoy seeing from her, as town. I could be wrong on my scumread. I wish that I had stronger reads so that someone sat lower than her if that makes sense.

Out of interest, have you encountered skitter before?

[probs a robot]

Seeking permission to request your Mafiauniverse user name

[probs a robot]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=77544
Previous coalition as town.

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=76501
Recent large theme game as scum.

This is a notable division of her town vs. scumplay. In the latter, she had access to private topics with which to pocket players. Hence in thread content is somewhat of an extreme of the tendencies of her wolf play.

If you have the time, let me know what you think.

preview-edit: cool. I respect electing to remain hidden. Just curious if we have met previously.

[probs a robot]

Nor should it be.

Please forgive me DVa, I understand that your pain should not be too severe. I am still filled with regret.
HURT: DVa
HEAL: Gamma

does this mean we're not frands again?

Our friandship extends beyond the confines of a single mafia game.

[probs a robot]

It's probably more fair to compare that to the linked towngame. She usually sits closer to the middle than those two games, but generally leans town regardless. The strengths which she exhibits as town (including gamesolving momentum, performing well within real time interactions, an ability to remain holistically 'across' the game) are weaker here; her strengths as scum (presenting niche gamestate reads, constructing questions which present as nuanced without necessarily advancing the gamestate, etc.) are prominent.

This is not a smoking gun. As I'm typing this, I am recalling another game which entered my database. I just believe I have a certain level of ability with respect to reading her despite (and in conjunction with) her very high calibre of play. And I cannot strongly townread her in good conscious yet. She is just null/nullscum largely via possessing too many townreads.

Can't really link the latter game I'm talking about without straight up obviously revealing what my main is (hopefully I haven't derped too hard today, but I have not been in a mood for the gimmick). I just want to ask you to reconsider your read at the next level, if you would be willing.

Apologies for the cockiness projected in this post. I understand humans use this as a method of appearing confident, and to be taken seriously. I may be entirely on the wrong track.

[probs a robot]

167: Why is that question a glitch? What did you mean to ask?

I did want to discuss how to read you. My RAM failed to inform my immediate consciousness that NSG had already recently spoken about you, so my question was very low value to her slot in particular.

I have spoken about my problems getting a firm read on your slot. I also feel that I have spoken at some length about DVa after the point you are up to, and so will not be commenting further there unless you have particular points you would like to address.

Questions aside, what is your metric for assigning "points" to posts?

[probs a robot]

Computer user GAMMA EMERALD - what is your preferred alignment to play?

[probs a robot]

Sorry for going quiet. I need to reengage with skitter when I am less preoccupied with finding the MEANING OF LIFE.

Completing the first day phase with a policy lynch of Not_Mafia in case of coalition failure is a good idea.

[probs a robot]

Yeah... That one was what some humans refer to as a "blonde moment"

[probs a robot]

I need a few days. It will be before the end of this phase (working around your weekend v/la)

[probs a robot]

Rather than exploding into a fireball, may I suggest the insertion of deadly toxins into the chosen lynch candidate?
According to my sources, this is a substantially more controlled and effective way to cause the cessation of a human life. ^_^

Though I have not studied this at length of course.

[probs a robot]

a) why are you using the last coalition as an example of my towngame when we've established multiple times that i don't think i was out of my scumrange there?

My sources suggest that you exhibited towntells during the previous Coalition which you yourself are not aware of. (As a matter of interest, I think I've actually mentioned this in passing before--this actually feels a little gross and if enough people want I'll main reveal/rep in )

It is actually my belief that the previous coalition exhibited your towngame more strongly than this running does. Do you believe yourself to be more towny this time?

b) it's really, really hard to maintain 'gamesolving momentum' when like the whole game is lurking; i can't play the game by myself y'know; like i said earlier a lot of my questions had the aim of trying to get people to just post

I feel this on a lot of levels but also it doesn't make it easy to sort you, especially since i'm not seeing a lot of the signs i look for in town!you

c) i think i'm pretty much out of my scumrange wrt real-time interactions tbh

that's really interesting to hear, as I didn't see the same exhibition of town indicative gamesolving momentum during your real-time interactions that I believe I parsed from the last game.
would you mind towncasing yourself a little bit? just point me to the bits here where you've broken your scumrange, and talk me through which parts would have tripped you over as scum.

d) ok i'm really interested in hearing why all of {tess/raya/gamma/dva/yuriko} are higher townreads than me

this is an interesting question and maybe something which i didn't fully parse when constructing my read lists. if we're tvting here i'm genuinely sorry for not going into this in more detail, and can see why it would be irritating.

basically i've been treating the lack of potent towntells from your slot as outright scum indicative, rather than as null indicative. i think this is probably loosely subconsciously justified because of the strength of the townplay which i've seen from you in the past (that being said i'm realising as i'm going down this rabbit hole that there have been another game where i've gotten mixed up & made this same mistake before. i need to reread that and see how your play here compares).

raya i think is town.
yuriko i think is town...ish, but she is starting to annoy me.
tes and gamma i have seen more null indicators from (just slight town indicators from gamma + wolf indicators from tes)--if this were a standard mountainous type deal i think i would swallow my pride around sorting you and move the tes slot below you.

dva is super null


it's probably not particularly fair but it is definitely an indicator of how i'm approaching you wrt the coalition. i'm immensely worried if we don't take sorting you seriously and you ARE a wolf, you are an endgaming wolf. the heat you've got today kind of begins to pre-justify you surviving to endgame as well. if this is as paranoid as it sounds and i'm

not

on the right path hopefully you can see where the sources of my paranoia are.

e) the game with mylo that i hated maybe?

comparing examples of your scumplay is very nuanced, and something i would rather do if the need arises to outright scumcase you (which is not a point i am at; i simply am not convinced that it's right to have you in the coalition yet).

f) yeah your usual writing style kinda shone through a bit more yesterday

beep boop

probably doesn't actually mean much but i actually think NM's play so far has been scum indicative

? why

this might come off as smart assy
but like why ask this and then vote NM after what is in isolation, for COMPUTER USER NOT_MAFIA, an NAI shitpost 26 posts later?

Who wants to be in my broalition?

VOTE: not mafia

(third vote btw)

skitter30: skitter30, The Dark Wanderer, northsidegal, Raya36

i feel pretty good about this list; maybe the least good about raya
but i feel better about raya than like everyone else so yeah

and that read won't be changing till she gets replaced anyways

idk who the fifth should be

strangely, depending on a few certain things i would not totally discount myself from supporting this coalition.

[probs a robot]

yeah, I'm seeing how this can be town!you as well. looking back I don't think I've ever categorically misread town!you before (except

that one time

which we don't talk about and it was a pretty different situation anyway)

i'm probably losing a lot of motivation to think of you as scum tbh, i'll need to give the appropriate amount of attention to your selfmeta wrt broken scumrange when i have a bit more time.

so at this point i'm probably reconsidering that the tes/nm slot is just likely to red and i can't remember why i ever changed my mind on that :/ if we treat the gamestate as something like this where do we sit?

do you think this is pretty close to a solve?

dark green = consensus town
light green = hotter takes

not really tiered

northsidegal

The Dark Wanderer

Raya36

probs a robot

TesXX

YurikoJasmine
Gamma Emerald

DVa

skitter30

[probs a robot]

{probs a robot}

{northsidegal}
{TDW, Raya}

{skitter30, DVa}
{Yuriko, Gamma}
{TesXX}

it's a shame that TDW does not like me.
we need to solve these middle tiers but...that is not news...

Who is this talking to...?

My new imaginary friend, skitter30!

[probs a robot]

I do not fully trust DVa but every time I think back on her, I am impressed by her continued willingness to impress her every thought process onto us.
Even though it is difficult to discern whether those thought processes are exclusively town, just that willingness must surely count for something. right? maybe? idfk i'm tryin fam


pedit: if skitter/my tmi is starting to compromise the fluidity of the thread i'll rep in on my main

[probs a robot]

{probs a robot}

{northsidegal}
{TDW, Raya}

{skitter30, DVa}
{Yuriko, Gamma}
{TesXX}

it's a shame that TDW does not like me.
we need to solve these middle tiers but...that is not news...

Who is this talking to...?

My new imaginary friend, skitter30!

oo. sans gamma this is also the "sort by postcount" solve.

[probs a robot]

I do not fully trust DVa but every time I think back on her, I am impressed by her continued willingness to impress her every thought process onto us.

I'm sort of starting to dislike your posts, I don't know that it makes you scum but I think you're one of the reasons the first thought I have when I open this game is "should I replace out?"

I don't even know you're being rude here, it strikes me as sorta passive aggressive but I don't know you mean it that way. Mostly I'm just exhausted by you doing 20,000 micro adjustments to your read of me and broadcasting each and every one when they all boil down to null, like you saying I'm null enough times will accomplish something.

It's certainly not malicious, and as I've mentioned I want to townread you for it for what that's worth. It sounds like this is an out of game exception you're taking with my playstyle more so than an alignment based issue with my reads though so if you feel I'm making this game an unfortunate place to be, I'm happy to move on as well. (you were here first; I'm more than happy to play with you but due respect).

This is a good time to sort each other though. Do you think any of my reads takes or shifts on your slot have been unfair or unjustified? If you think I'm taking liberties in a scum indicative way I'll leave that with you to talk through. But if you think I'm being unfair or not looking at the right things can you help me realise where you would expect to be read more strongly?

[probs a robot]

yeah i think that's pretty close to a solve
don't really want dva in it tho; i'm not townreading the slot like at all

Recycling rhetoric for a sec: do you think she is scum, or just have inadequate reasons to townread her? Even if it's a bit exaggerated do you think you could case her as either alignment with any kind of conviction?

(this is a WYSIWYG question)

[probs a robot]

Yeah that's exactly the answer I was looking for. Strangely if I had to force a case on her it'd probably swing town as well (though I may be influenced by our friandship (as long as she still likes me ))

WYSIWYG = what you see is what you get

[probs a robot]

This is a good time to sort each other though. Do you think any of my reads takes or shifts on your slot have been unfair or unjustified? If you think I'm taking liberties in a scum indicative way I'll leave that with you to talk through. But if you think I'm being unfair or not looking at the right things can you help me realise where you would expect to be read more strongly?

Mostly I feel like you've put a lot more effort at this point into saying how much you can't sort me than trying to sort me. Like there have been points where I felt like we were basically on the same page and then three posts later you're like "well idk guess it's null after all." idk feeling that way with half this player list though, like what's the point of even talking if people are just going to flip their read every other post. idk I thought this game would be a fun townhunting cluster and instead it's boring with half the list barely posting and the other half refusing to work with anyone on a coalition, just seems pointless and unfun at this point, I probably should just out. seems like the only potential time that fun would happen here would be if the coalition failed, which seems like it's likely to happen given people wanting to be replacing one inactive null slot for another rather than engaging the slots that are here

really don't even know why I'm still here, guess I'm hoping the game ends with coalition but like I'm not enjoying the process at this point, guess I can just chill and hope you guys solve without me and pretend I'm v/la until we actually can lynch someone or the game is over

I can second this. It is vexing me as well.

I didn't realise you felt this way.. Could you quote some posts around the time when you felt like we went from hiveminding to me nullreading you? Not questioning your credibility, I just want to see how well I can slip into your brain. I actually didn't get a strong feeling that our stances on the thread were meshing but this is also not an uncommon negative trait of my playstyle so I'm really curious to see this.

[probs a robot]

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hypothesis:
Yuriko selected the townies she would be tunnelling in lieu of herself in order to try and avoid them being selected for the coalition. Returning and seeing the town reads on her (or being informed of them in the scum pt) she decided what she was doing was good so continued to tunnel those reads. The longer this went on, the more she realised that she could no longer case the reads but believed that tunnelling them would still be viewed as towny so she seized up and flaked.

method:
Exclude her from the coalition and win the game.

[probs a robot]

Evidence:
Her reads are a joke even for someone catching up
Probably her role pm I guess

[probs a robot]

Whatcha thinking Not_Mafia?

[probs a robot]

fUUUCK
ok I'm not quite human but you're close

[probs a robot]

@everyone who townread TesXX off meta again? Case him for me. The harder I look the more I scumread him here.

[probs a robot]

Also. If the scumteam is exactly TesXX and Yuriko I would like the robot master race to be acknowledged formally post-game.

[probs a robot]

{nsg}
{GE, TDW}
{Raya, Musicjax, skitter}
{TesXX, Yuriko, DVa}

That feel when NSG might have solved the game in post 33.

[probs a robot]

I cordially invite any COMPUTER USER present currently or momentarily to embark on an adventure down the rabbit hole with me.
in tonight's episode of The Robot Had Too Much Coffee, I am going to a tunnel a {LHF rep'd out, LHF rep'd out} scumteam for about 80 posts worth of content and see if it makes me feel warm and fuzzy inside.

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Spoiler:

I would be surprised if any of you knows me
Are we even supposed to heal ourselves hmm

I compulsively comment on RVS to see if it suits the alignment which I believe a player may be, and so:
this can easily come from Yuriko as either alignment tbqh but it never surprises me to see it from her as a wolf.

in essence it's approaching the thread with a curious (>rand town) mindset with respect to mechanics (>rand wolf) and interacts with nobody (>rand wolf)
either way it's definitely a nervous tonality, may need to investigate her tones as either alignment later

I would be surprised if any of you knows me
Are we even supposed to heal ourselves hmm

i mean you don't have to but i know i'm town so

what do you mean by 'even supposed' to?

I mean, well, does our "Heals" towards ourselves count...

i assumed it counted since i could do it the last time this setup was ran

ah cool.

feel free to not answer this, but is english your first language?

I was taught and raised bilingual since young but majority of my society speaks Cantonese, which is a dialect of Chinese
School and work is in English.

i do not believe this is intended to be manipulative, just high tier coasty

ah ok

your first post felt a little weird, like it was written a little strangely; almost a little forced somehow? but i realized from your next post that you might not be a native english speaker

so i'm not going to really consider weird tonal things from you as being much ai either way

Do YoU NOrMALLY find PEoPlE sPeAkiNg IN sTRAnge Tones sCuMMy

VOTE: skitter30
For being racist

i mean yeah uncomfortable/inconsistent tonality is scummy
not really sure what the motivation in lolvoting the person itt engaging with you is but whatever, it's not towny and not particularly wolfy

:shrug: people don’t appreciate humour nowadays

@skitter: that question was genuine tho, would want some feedback from you

w h o
c a r e s

I have a foolproof plan everyone.
Scum is either the first 2 people to join the game or the last 2. Meaning the scum team is either northsidegal & the dark wanderer or DVa and skitter30.
With this information we can immediately townbloc everyone in the middle for autowin.
HEAL: Raya36
HEAL: Musicjax
HEAL: TesXX
HEAL: YurikaJasmine
HEAL: Gamma Emerald
VOTE: skitter30

eh actually not sure s/s if tes enters the thread voting with his buddy
heal wise this is optimal s/s for tes' entrance strategy i'm just not sure about the vote

hi yuriko! do you have any thoughts about anyone?

Pretty null right now
Still waiting on skitter’s reply

wolfy but nsg picked up on it quicker than me
actually jumping ahead in time, i think this:

I dislike northsidegal (I keep reading her name as “nothingsideal”)’s overall fishing style, asking questions that are either obvious (#27) and spec-related (#49) (what I mean here is that it sounds like a random question to a random person just for question’s sake).

is probably a wolf reacting to being asked a question she has literally no answer for.
on reflection it's pretty obvious yuriko is coasting here and has no motivation in waiting for skitter to answer the question. skitter's answer for the record is

i mean i've literally had arguments with people about how random capitalization makes their posts seem weird so

this is a very broad question, and basically it depends on the context (ie what's going on in the game, have i played with the player before, what they normally sound like, etc)

like if a post sounds constructed i would find that sketchy because it sounds like they're trying to craft posts to achieve some sort of affect. if i then learned that english wasn't their first language i would find it less so since they may not realize they used a phrasing that sounds a little strange when trying to communicate

basically i don't inherently view it as scummy, but rather as something to poke at to learn more about the context

which is a pretty detailed question which like a really good explanation of why she approached yuriko the way she did early in the game (wouldn't say it's potently AI within the context of skitter's meta but I would expect an explanation of this quality to evoke some kind of reaction especially if Yuriko was actually holding up on reading slots for skitter to answer it. for the record, yuriko's next comment on skitter was in her read list here

Re: skitter and my language issue, my own stance being, being weird =/= being scum, but being defensive is. I think #29 was a decent response and is not defensive (what I would expect from scum: something along the line of "I didn't say you were scummy! But you're still weird!"). I don't like how she asked northsidegal to elaborate her (northsidegal's) reads but refused to elaborate her (skitter's) own reads.

which is like a terrific way of completely ducking the fact she asked a pointless question and got called out on it

her reactionarily scumreading nsg without ever bothering to engage her for asking 'obvious questions' when personally i'm still baffled what the fuck yuriko was trying to accomplish is probably fairly filthy, idk if it's an experience level/playstyle thing or i'm starting to tunnel so someone pls stop me if this sounds like it's just A Thing Townies Do and i'm being bad

anyway back to post 25

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hi yuriko! do you have any thoughts about anyone?

I have a foolproof plan everyone.
Scum is either the first 2 people to join the game or the last 2. Meaning the scum team is either northsidegal & the dark wanderer or DVa and skitter30.
With this information we can immediately townbloc everyone in the middle for autowin.
HEAL: Raya36
HEAL: Musicjax
HEAL: TesXX
HEAL: YurikaJasmine
HEAL: Gamma Emerald
VOTE: skitter30

Why vote skitter?

i do want to s/s read this a little bit
kinda doubt town watching town voting with them during rvs bothers to question the other town's vote on a slot they've expressed a level of discomfort in
also kinda doubt scum watching town sheeping them onto a wagon ignores all of the townie's comments and asks why they've followed their vote
probs a fair reaction to seeing your literal scumbuddy voting with you in rvs

again please tell me if i'm being stupid

Pretty null right now
Still waiting on skitter’s reply

is your read on skitter contingent on how she answers that question?

nsg #goodposting
spoiler: it's not and yuriko doesn't think it is

More posts to come later obviously but here are some first thoughts.
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Thank god the game finally started
Also thank god I’m Town

I'm really not sure if this is meant to be ironic or not, but if he's legit opening with "thank God I'm town" that definitely seems lamist as fuck.

i have consulted with my databases once again and once again they have provided an adequate reaction:
THIS SUX.

HEAL: Gamma Emerald
HEAL: The Dark Wanderer

the way that gamma emerald entered the game feels town to me. dont think that he, as wolf, enters the game expressing his relief at having rolled town

Disagreed. It looks really fake to me. Either this is newbscum trying to protect his partner or it's just bad logic.

ah, ye olde shade throw
town probably isn't exempted from doing this and i kinda like his newbscum thought but i don't like it a LOT

dva why did you single gamma out

also hi everyone!!!

This obviously isn't a scumtell just to ask a simple question, but I thought it was worth pointing out I guess (judging by post 18.)

waht
maybe he's saying it's weird to call dva out on singling out gamma after voting gamma and saying he's town but like??
i'm not sure i kinda think this was something he just felt like he should probably say that didn't mean anything, did he ever explain the post 18 thing?
the fact his opening post is geared entirely towards making two players look bad pings agendaey

actually i'm gonna use the scum word
it

reeeeeeeeeks

agendaey

Overreaction spotted
VOTE: YurikoJasmine

This is the most suspicious thing so far. It's a response to post 20

mfw chainsaw defense p2
is this too much to be w/w?
also lukewarm hot take: his stance on gamma is fake

Do YoU NOrMALLY find PEoPlE sPeAkiNg IN sTRAnge Tones sCuMMy

VOTE: skitter30
For being racist

Which, lynch me immediately if I'm wrong, seems like the most obvious joke ever. I cant possibly think of a reason someone would think its serious.

this is a really neat way to feathersoft defend yuriko without actually weighing into anything except tunnelling his chosen victims

hi yuriko! do you have any thoughts about anyone?

Pretty null right now
Still waiting on skitter’s reply

hi yuriko! do you have any thoughts about anyone?

I have a foolproof plan everyone.
Scum is either the first 2 people to join the game or the last 2. Meaning the scum team is either northsidegal & the dark wanderer or DVa and skitter30.
With this information we can immediately townbloc everyone in the middle for autowin.
HEAL: Raya36
HEAL: Musicjax
HEAL: TesXX
HEAL: YurikaJasmine
HEAL: Gamma Emerald
VOTE: skitter30

Why vote skitter?

Oh I'd been in a few games with her in the past and she was outside the foolproof townbloc

> tunnels two slots
> voting another slot
> claims vote is on the slot because he considers skitter lynchable

you dislike that question on page 1 to someone who has made no reads?

im not entirely understanding where your coming from on skitter, its not a confirmed villa but it's towny enough for page one. do you think that skitter is a wolf?

I will admit something in this gives me genuine town curiosity vibes. Kinda unsure on this one.

> freezes
> realises fake wolfread is really bad
> doesn't fix it

you might be town

Elaboration here would be cool.

asking skitter for more is probably nai, asking for an elaboration on a read which imo is fairly already obvious is probably not solvey

i should mention that in general i would expect scum not to feel the need to argue that the things that i was townreading him for were not alignment indicative but that's heavily personality dependent

This is a good point. Another thing that makes me skeptical.

and

VOTE: Skitter
Be more normal ok thx <3

Is this a joke/rvs vote or a legit one

highly uninteresting busywork question strike 2

VOTE: TesXX
My vote in 21 was semi-serious with the intent of getting a better read on people, and your post responding to it was overall scummy, very narrative driven pushing of me

objectively correct and i forgot how much i liked gamma's reaction here!

This is an incredibly wolfy post

Again, elaboration would be cool

i think this is genuinely frustrated but i know i get frustrated when i'm a wolf and feel like i'm doing good woofin' and people are correctly scumreading me for reasons which i don't like/understand so this is kinda whatever imo

This is a good point. Another thing that makes me skeptical.

skeptical about what, exactly?

tes, i have a question for you - would you say that you're playing deliberately to get townread?

@nsg mind if i ask what you were angling at with this read? (since it's pretty well passed and tes is out of the picture now)

VOTE: TesXX
My vote in 21 was semi-serious with the intent of getting a better read on people, and your post responding to it was overall scummy, very narrative driven pushing of me

What I saw was a forced vote on someone making an obvious joke, and that was what I showed. If you were trying to get a read then I didn't see it.

ok

This is a good point. Another thing that makes me skeptical.

skeptical about what, exactly?

Skeptical of a gamma/wanderer team

ok

tes, i have a question for you - would you say that you're playing deliberately to get townread?

Nah

need to speak to nsg about this bc like
is there ever another answer to this question?

missed this:

this is an intensely good post

newbie 1797 i'm pretty sure is the one game
this was with the old newbie setup and he was 1sbp

without that i prob would have scumread him; he's kinda lynchbait-y

from what i remember he's like very forthright and he doesn't really care how he comes off if that makes sense, or if it makes him looks scummy. he just says it anyways which is kinda what i'm getting from him here, with him going through like every post like that; he jsut says exactly what he thinks without overthinking it

the try-harding feels kinda townie to me

(writing this out i'm realizing that it's possible he felt that way in that game cuz he was 1sbp and not getting lynched, but i think it's more how he approaches the game than related to the role, idk)

ah ok i need to read this newbie as well
i think from a tonal/agenda perspective he reads very differently here to his old town games. but i did read a vt game. i know lynchbait is lynchbait so i might just be chomping down too hard here but lynchbait can rand wolf as well and he's actually reading like he's just a wolf to me?

HEAL: northsidegal
HEAL: Gamma Emerald
Btw anyone else notice TesXX has me in his coalition despite scumreading me?

unfortunately this point means nothing (which i know gamma is aware of) but this is probably ~when the heat on Tes started to simmer

Binally fack
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Skeptical of a gamma/wanderer team

can you explain agreeing that his argument for gamma being town is a "good point" and also thinking that it makes them both more likely to be scum? that seems pretty contradictory to me.

No. Skeptical as in I'm LESS certain they're a scumteam.
Still probably my best bet but it did sort of make me reconsider.

ok you still have no reads except for a really bad scumteam

tes, i have a question for you - would you say that you're playing deliberately to get townread?

Nah

would you say that you're playing as you normally do as town?

Well I mean this is my first ms game in over a year I think so there isn't really any accurate description of "how I usually play as town." Usually I change my play with every game because I'm trying to improve from the last game.

also, you missed this:

This obviously isn't a scumtell just to ask a simple question, but I thought it was worth pointing out I guess (judging by post 18.)

why?

what made that worth pointing out as it relates to post 18?

Yeah my bad I forgot this one.
I thought it was worth pointing out because I thought post 18 indicated a gamma/wanderer team and 17 added upon it despite not being that alignment indicative.

i'm too tunneled rn to work out if this is towny or not, i'll check/ask nsg

the way that he's discrediting the townreads on gamma feels like more like wolf paranoid about villas finding each other than villa who scumreads him

Uh no I'm discrediting the town reads because I disagree with the reasoning and think it's wrong. That's not wolf paranoid of townies allying that's me pointing out what I don't like.

this feels slightly overexplained but whatever, that's likely within Tes' townrange as well

he also called me a partner then backed off on that when I called him wolfy for it, which is exactly the response you'd expect if we were both wolves

No I was responding to posts page by page. I thought I made that pretty clear.

this answer feels like it's matched to the wrong quote

HEAL: northsidegal
HEAL: Gamma Emerald
Btw anyone else notice TesXX has me in his coalition despite scumreading me?

Yeah because of the fool proof coalition I made at the beginning
Since we're out of Rvs and I forgot to do this earlier, HURT: everyone for now
I'll try to analyze all the players tomorrow and get a better idea of what I think, maybe make a read list idk

i don't like this either but this bit is in Tes' townrange too i think

im gonna say I was probably wrong on tesxx, I think Skitter is telling the truth about this being how he plays and there are things that i like from him.

Also thinking that Skitter is town for bringing it up but I guess it is still plausible that she brought it up for towncred since being towny is more important than framing people as scum
...
thinking from that point of view there's not actually much motivation for scum tesxx to start attacking universal townread gamma emerald, it creates enemies and doesn't actually put scum in a better position here

so yes I guess my skitter30 and gamma emerald townreads are a sizable amount shakier than they previously were, whereas northsidegal is still very likely town and tesxx can be town as well

HURT: gamma
HEAL: tesxx

reminder to self to go check if tdw has built up on this tesxx read

[probs a robot]

yeah wrt TDW's Tes townread i think that kind of townread is fairly fallible
i'm actually not sure a lychbaity inexperienced out of practice player is necessarily the type to...think through their opening actions in great detail...? i think him tunneling clearly fake reads and coasting is probably closer to scum indicative than his lack of greater agenda is closer to town indicative

@nsg

sorry i was gonna hunt for 'tes' in your iso but it picks up on "the greatest setup" in your sig which is royally messing up my attempts
can you talk to me about your greater agenda with the "explain the post 18 reference", "are you playing to get townread", "are you playing as you usually do as town" chain of questions to Tes?
do you think 79 from him is directly town indicative, and like, why/why not? do you feel like scum!tes had any other answer in that situation or he provided answers which would be hard to fake as scum? (spoiler: i don't and 79 has absolutely no net impact on my read of tes, basically i'm concerned the conversation boiled down to duress self meta)

@skitter

i'm gonna have to bug you again sorry
you mentioned you saw some townlike/what-tes-does-as-town-like stuff from tes early on. could you point me to it?

[probs a robot]

i'm gonna sleep
by which i mean conserve power while secretly reading newbie 1797



if anyone suddenly appears talk to me!! even if you don't wanna read the wallpost just talk about tesxx and maybe yuriko as well

[probs a robot]

@skitter i'm gonna have to bug you again sorry
you mentioned you saw some townlike/what-tes-does-as-town-like stuff from tes early on. could you point me to it?

I am now exactly 47% more interested in this than I was before!

[probs a robot]

oo pagetop

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Get ready to be exterminated! ^_^

[probs a robot]

I think your take on Tes is more or less fine tbh. There isn't enough content there to be overly confident one way or another, and the tunnel is wearisome. I'll be curious to see whether anyone else finds the shoe fits or whether it's just an exercise in applied bias.

Also wrt biting down on Vizzy--that's a pretty fair reason not to like my post. In the absence of other reasons to townread you at that juncture I'm generally gonna be more likely to use challenging/confronting language to throw people off guard than any other kind of language. But I get it

[probs a robot]

probs have we played before once on your main?

Nope But I do hope we play again!

[probs a robot]

This is a good time to sort each other though. Do you think any of my reads takes or shifts on your slot have been unfair or unjustified? If you think I'm taking liberties in a scum indicative way I'll leave that with you to talk through. But if you think I'm being unfair or not looking at the right things can you help me realise where you would expect to be read more strongly?

Mostly I feel like you've put a lot more effort at this point into saying how much you can't sort me than trying to sort me. Like there have been points where I felt like we were basically on the same page and then three posts later you're like "well idk guess it's null after all." idk feeling that way with half this player list though, like what's the point of even talking if people are just going to flip their read every other post. idk I thought this game would be a fun townhunting cluster and instead it's boring with half the list barely posting and the other half refusing to work with anyone on a coalition, just seems pointless and unfun at this point, I probably should just out. seems like the only potential time that fun would happen here would be if the coalition failed, which seems like it's likely to happen given people wanting to be replacing one inactive null slot for another rather than engaging the slots that are here

really don't even know why I'm still here, guess I'm hoping the game ends with coalition but like I'm not enjoying the process at this point, guess I can just chill and hope you guys solve without me and pretend I'm v/la until we actually can lynch someone or the game is over

I can second this. It is vexing me as well.

I didn't realise you felt this way.. Could you quote some posts around the time when you felt like we went from hiveminding to me nullreading you? Not questioning your credibility, I just want to see how well I can slip into your brain. I actually didn't get a strong feeling that our stances on the thread were meshing but this is also not an uncommon negative trait of my playstyle so I'm really curious to see this.

Also apologies for being a pest but what are your thoughts around this concept?