BulletNLynchProof's 9p pre-designed setup

BNL · Post Post #1 (isolation #0) » Thu Nov 08, 2018 1:15 pm

1 Informed Mafia Goon “Player is VT”
1 Mafia Goon
1 Town Jailkeeper
1 Non Comsecutive commuter
5 Vanilla Townie

BNL · Post Post #3 (isolation #1) » Thu Nov 08, 2018 5:50 pm

So the main point here is I want to try using Informed as an unorthodox Mafia investigative. I’m curious, how does it compare with say, a 1-shot Vanilla Cop?

Pros:
Information is earlier. One extra Townie is out of their pool on Night 1
Cons:
Can’t get PR results
Can’t be directed <- not sure how significant this is

Anyway, with that said, I wanted to try a setup sometime that revolves around town protective roles being able to generate an extra lynch for town, hence putting some protective roles in. However, I think it is inappropriate here given my initial premise because the commuter is a role the scum do NOT want to hit.

Kinda want to get rid of the commuter, not sure what to put in its place.

BNL · Post Post #4 (isolation #2) » Thu Nov 08, 2018 5:58 pm

Universal backup?

BNL · Post Post #5 (isolation #3) » Thu Nov 08, 2018 6:01 pm

Actually I think the entire of preventing kills is not really a good idea for a micro

Hmm

BNL · Post Post #6 (isolation #4) » Thu Nov 08, 2018 6:11 pm

Uh wait actually how open are you to the idea of putting a Night 3 Vigilante in place of the Commuter?

Not Night 1 because scum can do nothing to counteract it and not N2 because it can make people feel cheated of the game

BNL · Post Post #9 (isolation #5) » Fri Nov 09, 2018 5:18 pm

I was indeed considering a Doctor here but I ran into the same issues that it was too townsided. I heard that it was one of the most unfun setups during 2of4.

That new proposed setup looks good but I can't really call it my setup. Can you explain what the rolecop is there for?

The JK+Vig thing looks ugly and I want to abandon that line of setup making.

BNL · Post Post #10 (isolation #6) » Fri Nov 09, 2018 5:18 pm

How does Ascetic JK + Non-consecutive Doctor sound?

BNL · Post Post #11 (isolation #7) » Sat Nov 10, 2018 4:26 am

Actually, I would like to bump this to a 10p and try this:

1 Informed Mafia Goon "Player is VT"
1 Mafia Goon
1 Town JOAT {Doctor, Jailkeeper}
1 Town Night 3 Vigilante
6 Vanilla Townies

BNL · Post Post #13 (isolation #8) » Sat Nov 10, 2018 3:56 pm

Would replacing the JOAT with Odd Night Doctor, Even Night Jailkeeper help with balance, or is it too complicated of a role?

BNL · Post Post #14 (isolation #9) » Sat Nov 10, 2018 4:16 pm

Hmm actually I see the problem here and that suggestion only increases the swing

Uhhhh

BNL · Post Post #15 (isolation #10) » Sat Nov 10, 2018 4:39 pm

I mean if that kind of swing is an issue I could add an Even night Tracker

But 3 TPRs against 2 Mafia is ugh

BNL · Post Post #16 (isolation #11) » Sat Nov 10, 2018 6:29 pm

Actually, I kinda like the addition of the even night Tracker in the setup, and my only concern is the balance here.

BNL · Post Post #18 (isolation #12) » Sun Nov 11, 2018 3:52 pm

I was actually considering traffic analyst; I really like it as an anti-swing role

BNL · Post Post #19 (isolation #13) » Sun Nov 11, 2018 3:54 pm

I went hunting yesterday and I found two recent 10p normals:

1 informed Mafia “There’s a 1-shot vig and Night 8 vig”
1 Mafia Role Cop
1 Town Informed Gunsmith “No Mafia Doctor”
1 Town 2-shot Bodyguard
1 Town 1-shot vig
1 Town Night 8 Vig
4 VT

2 Mafia Goon
1 Town Tracker
1 Town Bodyguard
1 Town 1-shot Vig
5 VT

BNL · Post Post #20 (isolation #14) » Sun Nov 11, 2018 3:56 pm

So there’s the general pattern of a Vig Protective and Investigative; the difference is that the Vig is weaker, the investigative is weaker, but the protective is much stronger

Maybe buff the JOAT keeping the tracker?

BNL · Post Post #21 (isolation #15) » Sun Nov 11, 2018 3:59 pm

I have another concern that on Day 3 massclaim town may not necessarily buy the Vig claim

BNL · Post Post #23 (isolation #16) » Sun Nov 11, 2018 5:00 pm

That sounds nice, but wouldn't it be too much power if it's a 9p setup?

BNL · Post Post #26 (isolation #17) » Mon Nov 12, 2018 6:16 pm

Hmm idk, I feel that I want to buff the JK...

BNL · Post Post #27 (isolation #18) » Fri Nov 23, 2018 8:09 pm

Oh hey this has been in limbo for a while

Personally I feel that the current setup is a bit unfun and I’m not proud of it

BNL · Post Post #33 (isolation #19) » Thu Dec 06, 2018 6:24 pm

Oh uh...

BNL · Post Post #34 (isolation #20) » Thu Dec 06, 2018 6:26 pm

Sorry I saw RC changing the setup size and I think that was casually allowed

Uh...

BNL · Post Post #37 (isolation #21) » Fri Dec 07, 2018 2:07 am

In post 22, callforjudgement wrote:Mafia Informed Goon (player is a Vanilla Townie)
Mafia Goon
Town 2-Shot Doctor
Town Even-Night Jailkeeper
Town Night 3 Vigilante
5 VTs

If you think this is an OK setup, then I’m ok with letting this being used. I just feel I haven’t contributed enough to this to be called my setup.

Having said that, I have another setup which borrows some ideas from this but is different enough that I feel it will be more appropriate to abandon this and create a new review thread instead.

BNL · Post Post #41 (isolation #22) » Sat Dec 15, 2018 9:05 pm

Hey actually I've thought of a way to salvage this setup in a different direction

BNL · Post Post #42 (isolation #23) » Sat Dec 15, 2018 9:26 pm

I'd like to return this to a 9p and try the following:

1 Mafia Goon
1 Informed Mafia Goon "Player is VT"
1 Town Jailkeeper
1 Town Doctor
1 Town Doctor Enabler
4 Vanilla Townies

BNL · Post Post #44 (isolation #24) » Sun Dec 16, 2018 11:47 pm

That's a good suggestion. I was afraid it was a bit townsided, and was considering making the Enabler ascetic, but I think your suggestion here is better. I was thinking if the Enabler claimed and the Mafia attempted to kill it may cause problems, but Doctor Enabler claiming hints to the Mafia that there is a Doctor so it isn't an issue.

I am satisfied with your proposed setup, and it's not too modified so I feel comfortable calling it my setup, and I'll just wait for Performer now.

BNL · Post Post #46 (isolation #25) » Tue Dec 18, 2018 3:50 pm

Actually I do have one concern: would it be a problem if the Doctor claims early but gets protected by the Jailkeeper?

Otherwise, it seems like no one has a problem with the setup and it’s ready to be submitted

BNL · Post Post #49 (isolation #26) » Tue Dec 18, 2018 8:12 pm

I think Novice is too much of a nerf, and it makes the game scumsided.

BNL · Post Post #50 (isolation #27) » Tue Dec 18, 2018 8:14 pm

How big a problem is this, actually? I don't want to add a second ascetic/macho into the setup

BNL · Post Post #52 (isolation #28) » Tue Dec 18, 2018 8:33 pm

Here are some fixes I thought of:

Shift the ascetic to the Jailkeeper
Change Doctor enabler to Jailkeeper enabler
Inform the Mafia that there is a Jailkeeper
Change the Jailkeeper to N1 Roleblocker N2+ Jailkeeper, or just full Roleblocker

Are any of these good, or just not worth the effort?

BNL · Post Post #54 (isolation #29) » Wed Dec 19, 2018 4:09 am

Actually I realised that both of town’s nerfs affect the Doctor, rather than the Jailkeeper.

Is it ok to move the ascetic to the Doctor? I don’t think it’s a big problem because it obfuscates results for the JK, but then again it’s one step closer to earning a mislynch.

Objectively I think that Roleblocker is the best fix for this, but I’m kinda attached to the JK for some reason.

Also correct me if I’m wrong, but I’ve heard 2 Goon vs 1 RB 6 VT has been accepted as balance as RB is similar to JK?

BNL · Post Post #55 (isolation #30) » Wed Dec 19, 2018 4:09 am

Also how does Role Cop help town power?

BNL · Post Post #57 (isolation #31) » Wed Dec 19, 2018 4:17 am

Do you think shifting the ascetic to the Doctor makes the setup better or worse?

BNL · Post Post #59 (isolation #32) » Wed Dec 19, 2018 4:37 am

But won’t that cause confusion by the JK possibly misunderstanding their result?

BNL · Post Post #64 (isolation #33) » Wed Dec 19, 2018 2:29 pm

In post 43, callforjudgement wrote:1 Mafia Goon
1 Informed Mafia Goon ("player is a Vanilla Townie.", with player selected at random from among the VTs)
1 Ascetic Town Jailkeeper
1 Town Doctor
1 Town Doctor Enabler
4 Vanilla Townies

Ok then, I think I want to stick to this setup

BNL · Post Post #65 (isolation #34) » Wed Dec 19, 2018 2:30 pm

Also I realised that doc protecting JK is a bigger problem than JK protecting Doc because the first leads to follow the JK while the second is just a one-time save

BNL · Post Post #67 (isolation #35) » Wed Dec 19, 2018 7:21 pm

Just a question: when the enabler dies, should the Doctor get a PM that their role no longer works?

BNL · Post Post #69 (isolation #36) » Wed Dec 19, 2018 11:20 pm

I remembered some game having a Mafia Backup Enabler, and apparently it was ruled that until it died the role still could be used.

BNL · Post Post #71 (isolation #37) » Thu Dec 20, 2018 5:07 pm

All that aside, can we approve this setup?

In post 64, BNL wrote:
In post 43, callforjudgement wrote:1 Mafia Goon
1 Informed Mafia Goon ("player is a Vanilla Townie.", with player selected at random from among the VTs)
1 Ascetic Town Jailkeeper
1 Town Doctor
1 Town Doctor Enabler
4 Vanilla Townies
Ok then, I think I want to stick to this setup

BNL · Post Post #74 (isolation #38) » Fri Dec 21, 2018 4:24 pm

@implosion we’ve settled on the setup

BNL · Post Post #76 (isolation #39) » Fri Dec 21, 2018 7:24 pm

Do I need to write role PMs?

BNL · Post Post #78 (isolation #40) » Sat Dec 29, 2018 2:54 am

Mafia GoonWelcome to Micro XXX, Player, you are a

Mafia Goon

Your partner is Player, who is an

Informed Mafia Goon

Abilities:
During the Day, you may vote for someone to get them lynched.
You may talk to your partner in the Mafia PT at any time/during the Night and in pregame.
Every Night, you or your partner may make the factional nightkill.

Win condition:
You win when all Town aligned players are dead or nothing can prevent this from happening.

Please confirm by replying to your role PM with your alignment and role name.

Informed Mafia GoonWelcome to Micro XXX, Player, you are an

Informed Mafia Goon

Your partner is Player, who is a

Mafia Goon

Abilities:
During the Day, you may vote for someone to get them lynched.
You know that Player is a Vanilla Townie.
You may talk to your partner in the Mafia PT at any time/during the Night and in pregame.
Every Night, you or your partner may make the factional nightkill.

Win condition:
You win when all Town aligned players are dead or nothing can prevent this from happening.

Please confirm by replying to your role PM with your alignment and role name.

Vanilla TownieWelcome to Micro XXX, Player, you are a

Vanilla Townie

Abilities:
During the Day, you may vote for someone to get them lynched.

Win condition:
You win when all Mafia aligned players are dead and at least one pro-Town player is alive.

Please confirm by replying to your role PM with your alignment and role name.

Vanilla TownieWelcome to Micro XXX, Player, you are a

Town Doctor

Abilities:
During the Day, you may vote for someone to get them lynched.
Every Night, you may protect someone else from one kill that Night.

Win condition:
You win when all Mafia aligned players are dead and at least one pro-Town player is alive.

Please confirm by replying to your role PM with your alignment and role name.

Vanilla TownieWelcome to Micro XXX, Player, you are an

Ascetic Town Jailkeeper

Abilities:
During the Day, you may vote for someone to get them lynched.
Any non-killing actions targeting you will fail.
Every Night, you may jailkeep someone. That player will be protected from all kills that Night, but will have any attempted actions fail.

Win condition:
You win when all Mafia aligned players are dead and at least one pro-Town player is alive.

Please confirm by replying to your role PM with your alignment and role name.

Vanilla TownieWelcome to Micro XXX, Player, you are a

Town Doctor Enabler

Abilities:
During the Day, you may vote for someone to get them lynched.
When you die, all Doctors in the game will have their ability fail.

Win condition:
You win when all Mafia aligned players are dead and at least one pro-Town player is alive.

Please confirm by replying to your role PM with your alignment and role name.

BNL · Post Post #80 (isolation #41) » Sat Dec 29, 2018 3:43 am

Yeah it flips as “You know that [REDACTED]”

But really because all roles are standardised it’s unnecessary to post role PM on flip

BNL · Post Post #81 (isolation #42) » Sat Dec 29, 2018 3:44 am

Also I just realised that the town role PMs have the wrong headers

BNL · Post Post #82 (isolation #43) » Fri Jan 04, 2019 3:13 am

Spoiler: Mafia Role PMs (Daytalk)

Spoiler: Mafia Role PMs (No Daytalk)

Spoiler: Town Role PMs

Is it okay if I let the moderator choose whether the Mafia get daytalk, or should I decide it myself?