Mafiascum.net

Posted: **Mon Nov 12, 2018 10:39 am**

this is the combined mod/dead thread for no deadlines mafia. I haven't put together role PMs for this one yet because I'm lazy! I'll do that before this fills though, I promise. also, here's a fun treat to start out the thread:

In post 188, Varsoon wrote:
In post 150, Varsoon wrote: Maybe this will teach xyzzy to never design a setup where scum get a free daykill.

In post 7, xyzzy wrote:1 mafia ascetic
1 mafia goon
1 mafia day 3 vigilante
1 mafia fruit vendor
1 mafia roleblocker

1 informed non-consecutive night bulletproof day 3 vigilante serial killer (knows there's at least one other day 3 vigilante)
1 1-shot bulletproof day 3+ jester

2 townies
2 town jailkeepers
1 town roleblocker
4 town neighbors
1 town non-consecutive jack of all trades (vigilante, cop, doctor, roleblocker)
2 town day 3 vigilantes
1 town fruit vendor
1 town triple voter
1 town fruit-enabled vigilante (has a number of bullets equal to the number of times they've received fruit)
1 town 3-month vigilante (has a nightkill following any day that lasts at least 90 days)
1 death miller (is informed they're a death miller, doesn't know what faction they flip as, flips as werewolf)

In post 11, Varsoon wrote:/in
xyzzy talked me into it.

in my defense I put that mafia day 3 vigilante in this setup

long

before this ever happened

anyway,

this thread will be made public when the game ends. if you don't want someone to see something posted here, I would advise against posting it.

the following people currently have access to this thread:

Alisae (back-up mod)
Errantparabola (reviewer)
Leodanny
profii
CheekyTeeky
mastina
Jingle
Dannflor
Vaxkiller
Party Boat
Ausuka
Wagonomics
Trekkie99
Gamma Emerald
Flavor Leaf
singletonking
Wisdom
Xtoxm
Purrcocet
vonflare
Kokichi Oma

Posted: **Tue Nov 13, 2018 7:41 am**

Spoiler:

PLAYERNAMEyou are a

mafia ascetic

! you win once no members of opposing factions are alive, or when nothing can prevent this.

as long as you are alive, during the day, you can vote and post in the game thread.

the other members of your faction are PLAYERNAME, PLAYERNAME, PLAYERNAME, and PLAYERNAME. you can communicate with them privately in this thread:

you cannot be the target of non-kill actions at night. any non-kill action that would target you during the night instead fails.

PLAYERNAMEyou are a

mafia goon

! you win once no members of opposing factions are alive, or when nothing can prevent this.

as long as you are alive, during the day, you can vote and post in the game thread.

the other members of your faction are PLAYERNAME, PLAYERNAME, PLAYERNAME, and PLAYERNAME. you can communicate with them privately in this thread:

PLAYERNAMEyou are a

mafia day 3 vigilante

! you win once no members of opposing factions are alive, or when nothing can prevent this.

as long as you are alive, during the day, you can vote and post in the game thread.

the other members of your faction are PLAYERNAME, PLAYERNAME, PLAYERNAME, and PLAYERNAME. you can communicate with them privately in this thread:

once during day 3, you can write

kill: name

in the game thread. the named player will die. note that once a daykill takes place, the votecount will be reset, and no votes or other day actions can occur until the moderator resolves the kill.

PLAYERNAMEyou are a

mafia fruit vendor

! you win once no members of opposing factions are alive, or when nothing can prevent this.

as long as you are alive, during the day, you can vote and post in the game thread.

the other members of your faction are PLAYERNAME, PLAYERNAME, PLAYERNAME, and PLAYERNAME. you can communicate with them privately in this thread:

each night, you can target another player. that player will be informed that they have received fruit from you.

PLAYERNAMEyou are a

mafia roleblocker

! you win once no members of opposing factions are alive, or when nothing can prevent this.

as long as you are alive, during the day, you can vote and post in the game thread.

the other members of your faction are PLAYERNAME, PLAYERNAME, PLAYERNAME, and PLAYERNAME. you can communicate with them privately in this thread:

each night, you can target another player. any action that player would perform that night will fail.

PLAYERNAMEyou are an

informed non-consecutive night bulletproof day 3 vigilante serial killer

! you win once you are the only player alive.

as long as you are alive, during the day, you can vote and post in the game thread.

you know that there is at least one other player in this game who is a day 3 vigilante.

kill actions that target you during the night will fail as long as no kill targeted you during the previous night.

once during day 3, you can write

kill: name

in the game thread. the named player will die. note that once a daykill takes place, the votecount will be reset, and no votes or other day actions can occur until the moderator resolves the kill.

each night, you can target another player. that player will die.

PLAYERNAMEyou are a

1-shot bulletproof day 3+ jester

! you win once you are lynched, as long as it is at least day 3.

as long as you are alive, during the day, you can vote and post in the game thread.

the first time a kill action would target you, that action will fail.

PLAYERNAMEyou are a

townie

! you win once no members of opposing factions are alive.

as long as you are alive, during the day, you can vote and post in the game thread.

PLAYERNAMEyou are a

townie

! you win once no members of opposing factions are alive.

as long as you are alive, during the day, you can vote and post in the game thread.

PLAYERNAMEyou are a

town jailkeeper

! you win once no members of opposing factions are alive.

as long as you are alive, during the day, you can vote and post in the game thread.

each night, you can target another player. all actions that player would perform and all actions that would target that player will fail.

PLAYERNAMEyou are a

town jailkeeper

! you win once no members of opposing factions are alive.

as long as you are alive, during the day, you can vote and post in the game thread.

each night, you can target another player. all actions that player would perform and all actions that would target that player will fail.

PLAYERNAMEyou are a

town roleblocker

! you win once no members of opposing factions are alive.

as long as you are alive, during the day, you can vote and post in the game thread.

each night, you can target another player. all actions that player would perform will fail.

PLAYERNAMEyou are a

town neighbor

! you win once no members of opposing factions are alive.

as long as you are alive, during the day, you can vote and post in the game thread.

you can communicate with PLAYERNAME, PLAYERNAME, and PLAYERNAME privately in this thread:

PLAYERNAMEyou are a

town neighbor

! you win once no members of opposing factions are alive.

as long as you are alive, during the day, you can vote and post in the game thread.

you can communicate with PLAYERNAME, PLAYERNAME, and PLAYERNAME privately in this thread:

PLAYERNAMEyou are a

town neighbor

! you win once no members of opposing factions are alive.

as long as you are alive, during the day, you can vote and post in the game thread.

you can communicate with PLAYERNAME, PLAYERNAME, and PLAYERNAME privately in this thread:

PLAYERNAMEyou are a

town neighbor

! you win once no members of opposing factions are alive.

as long as you are alive, during the day, you can vote and post in the game thread.

you can communicate with PLAYERNAME, PLAYERNAME, and PLAYERNAME privately in this thread:

PLAYERNAMEyou are a

town non-consecutive jack of all trades

! you win once no members of opposing factions are alive.

as long as you are alive, during the day, you can vote and post in the game thread.

you can use a vigilante ability, a cop ability, a doctor ability, or a roleblocker ability each night as long as you didn't use one of these abilities during the previous night, and you haven't used that ability yet during the game.

vigilante: once, during the night, you can target another player. that player will die.

cop: once, during the night, you can target another player. you will learn whether that player's alignment matches your own.

doctor: once, during the night, you can target another player. any kill actions that would target that player that night will instead fail.

roleblocker: once, during the night, you can target another player. all actions that player would perform will fail.

PLAYERNAMEyou are a

town day-3 vigilante

! you win once no members of opposing factions are alive.

as long as you are alive, during the day, you can vote and post in the game thread.

once during day 3, you can write

kill: name

in the game thread. the named player will die. note that once a daykill takes place, the votecount will be reset, and no votes or other day actions can occur until the moderator resolves the kill.

PLAYERNAMEyou are a

town day-3 vigilante

! you win once no members of opposing factions are alive.

as long as you are alive, during the day, you can vote and post in the game thread.

once during day 3, you can write

kill: name

in the game thread. the named player will die. note that once a daykill takes place, the votecount will be reset, and no votes or other day actions can occur until the moderator resolves the kill.

PLAYERNAMEyou are a

town fruit vendor

! you win once no members of opposing factions are alive.

as long as you are alive, during the day, you can vote and post in the game thread.

each night, you can target another player. that player will be informed that they have received fruit from you.

PLAYERNAMEyou are a

town triple voter

! you win once no members of opposing factions are alive.

as long as you are alive, during the day, you can vote and post in the game thread.

each vote you cast will instead count as three votes.

PLAYERNAMEyou are a

town fruit-enabled vigilante

! you win once no members of opposing factions are alive.

as long as you are alive, during the day, you can vote and post in the game thread.

you might receive fruit during the game. if you do, each night you can expend one fruit to target another player. that player will die.

PLAYERNAMEyou are a

town 3-month vigilante

! you win once no members of opposing factions are alive.

as long as you are alive, during the day, you can vote and post in the game thread.

each night, if the preceding day lasted at least 3 months from when the day began to when the final vote was cast (or when the deadline passed if the day ended with a deadline), you can target another player. that player will die.

PLAYERNAMEyou are a

town death miller

! you win once no members of opposing factions are alive.

as long as you are alive, during the day, you can vote and post in the game thread.

whenever a player investigates you, you will appear to be a member of a non-town faction. when you die, you will appear to be a member of a non-town faction.

roles will be assigned as follows:

Original Roll String: 1d24

1 24-Sided Dice: (1) = 1

Original Roll String: 1d23

1 23-Sided Dice: (23) = 23

Original Roll String: 1d22

1 22-Sided Dice: (22) = 22

Original Roll String: 1d21

1 21-Sided Dice: (2) = 2

Original Roll String: 1d20

1 20-Sided Dice: (3) = 3

Original Roll String: 1d19

1 19-Sided Dice: (3) = 3

Original Roll String: 1d18

1 18-Sided Dice: (3) = 3

Original Roll String: 1d17

1 17-Sided Dice: (14) = 14

Original Roll String: 1d16

1 16-Sided Dice: (14) = 14

Original Roll String: 1d15

1 15-Sided Dice: (14) = 14

Original Roll String: 1d14

1 14-Sided Dice: (3) = 3

Original Roll String: 1d13

1 13-Sided Dice: (2) = 2

Original Roll String: 1d12

1 12-Sided Dice: (1) = 1

Original Roll String: 1d11

1 11-Sided Dice: (1) = 1

Original Roll String: 1d10

1 10-Sided Dice: (10) = 10

Original Roll String: 1d9

1 9-Sided Dice: (4) = 4

Original Roll String: 1d8

1 8-Sided Dice: (4) = 4

Original Roll String: 1d7

1 7-Sided Dice: (3) = 3

Original Roll String: 1d6

1 6-Sided Dice: (3) = 3

Original Roll String: 1d5

1 5-Sided Dice: (2) = 2

Original Roll String: 1d4

1 4-Sided Dice: (2) = 2

Original Roll String: 1d3

1 3-Sided Dice: (2) = 2

Original Roll String: 1d2

1 2-Sided Dice: (1) = 1

(for each die roll, if the die lands on

n

, the

n

th player in the player list will receive that role, and then that player's name will be removed from the list.)

Posted: **Mon Dec 10, 2018 11:21 am**

Spoiler:

Hebichanyou are a

mafia ascetic

! you win once no members of opposing factions are alive, or when nothing can prevent this.

as long as you are alive, during the day, you can vote and post in the game thread.

the other members of your faction are singletonking, Jaylow7, Purrcocet, and Porkens. you can communicate with them privately in this thread: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=90&t=78024

you cannot be the target of non-kill actions at night. any non-kill action that would target you during the night instead fails.

singletonkingyou are a

mafia goon

! you win once no members of opposing factions are alive, or when nothing can prevent this.

as long as you are alive, during the day, you can vote and post in the game thread.

the other members of your faction are Hebichan, Jaylow7, Purrcocet, and Porkens. you can communicate with them privately in this thread: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=90&t=78024

Jaylow7you are a

mafia day 3 vigilante

! you win once no members of opposing factions are alive, or when nothing can prevent this.

as long as you are alive, during the day, you can vote and post in the game thread.

the other members of your faction are Hebichan, singletonking, Purrcocet, and Porkens. you can communicate with them privately in this thread: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=90&t=78024

once during day 3, you can write

kill: name

in the game thread. the named player will die. note that once a daykill takes place, the votecount will be reset, and no votes or other day actions can occur until the moderator resolves the kill.

Purrcocetyou are a

mafia fruit vendor

! you win once no members of opposing factions are alive, or when nothing can prevent this.

as long as you are alive, during the day, you can vote and post in the game thread.

the other members of your faction are Hebichan, singletonking, Jaylow7, and Porkens. you can communicate with them privately in this thread: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=90&t=78024

each night, you can target another player. that player will be informed that they have received fruit from you.

Porkensyou are a

mafia roleblocker

! you win once no members of opposing factions are alive, or when nothing can prevent this.

as long as you are alive, during the day, you can vote and post in the game thread.

the other members of your faction are Hebichan, singletonking, Jaylow7, and Purrcocet. you can communicate with them privately in this thread: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=90&t=78024

each night, you can target another player. any action that player would perform that night will fail.

TheBrieyou are an

informed non-consecutive night bulletproof day 3 vigilante serial killer

! you win once you are the only player alive.

as long as you are alive, during the day, you can vote and post in the game thread.

you know that there is at least one other player in this game who is a day 3 vigilante.

kill actions that target you during the night will fail as long as no kill targeted you during the previous night.

once during day 3, you can write

kill: name

in the game thread. the named player will die. note that once a daykill takes place, the votecount will be reset, and no votes or other day actions can occur until the moderator resolves the kill.

each night, you can target another player. that player will die.

Ausukayou are a

1-shot bulletproof day 3+ jester

! you win once you are lynched, as long as it is at least day 3.

as long as you are alive, during the day, you can vote and post in the game thread.

the first time a kill action would target you, that action will fail.

0verkillyou are a

townie

! you win once no members of opposing factions are alive.

as long as you are alive, during the day, you can vote and post in the game thread.

light_ganskiyou are a

townie

! you win once no members of opposing factions are alive.

as long as you are alive, during the day, you can vote and post in the game thread.

Theta Alpineyou are a

town jailkeeper

! you win once no members of opposing factions are alive.

as long as you are alive, during the day, you can vote and post in the game thread.

each night, you can target another player. all actions that player would perform and all actions that would target that player will fail.

Leodannyyou are a

town jailkeeper

! you win once no members of opposing factions are alive.

as long as you are alive, during the day, you can vote and post in the game thread.

each night, you can target another player. all actions that player would perform and all actions that would target that player will fail.

Gamma Emeraldyou are a

town roleblocker

! you win once no members of opposing factions are alive.

as long as you are alive, during the day, you can vote and post in the game thread.

each night, you can target another player. all actions that player would perform will fail.

Varsoonyou are a

town neighbor

! you win once no members of opposing factions are alive.

as long as you are alive, during the day, you can vote and post in the game thread.

you can communicate with Party Boat, Xtoxm, and Nancy Drew 39 privately in this thread: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=90&t=78026

Party Boatyou are a

town neighbor

! you win once no members of opposing factions are alive.

as long as you are alive, during the day, you can vote and post in the game thread.

you can communicate with Varsoon, Xtoxm, and Nancy Drew 39 privately in this thread: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=90&t=78026

Xtoxmyou are a

town neighbor

! you win once no members of opposing factions are alive.

as long as you are alive, during the day, you can vote and post in the game thread.

you can communicate with Varsoon, Party Boat, and Nancy Drew 39 privately in this thread: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=90&t=78026

Nancy Drew 39you are a

town neighbor

! you win once no members of opposing factions are alive.

as long as you are alive, during the day, you can vote and post in the game thread.

you can communicate with Varsoon, Party Boat, and Xtoxm privately in this thread: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=90&t=78026

profiiyou are a

town non-consecutive jack of all trades

! you win once no members of opposing factions are alive.

as long as you are alive, during the day, you can vote and post in the game thread.

you can use a vigilante ability, a cop ability, a doctor ability, or a roleblocker ability each night as long as you didn't use one of these abilities during the previous night, and you haven't used that ability yet during the game.

vigilante: once, during the night, you can target another player. that player will die.

cop: once, during the night, you can target another player. you will learn whether that player's alignment matches your own.

doctor: once, during the night, you can target another player. any kill actions that would target that player that night will instead fail.

roleblocker: once, during the night, you can target another player. all actions that player would perform will fail.

CheekyTeekyyou are a

town day-3 vigilante

! you win once no members of opposing factions are alive.

as long as you are alive, during the day, you can vote and post in the game thread.

once during day 3, you can write

kill: name

in the game thread. the named player will die. note that once a daykill takes place, the votecount will be reset, and no votes or other day actions can occur until the moderator resolves the kill.

Kokichi Omayou are a

town day-3 vigilante

! you win once no members of opposing factions are alive.

as long as you are alive, during the day, you can vote and post in the game thread.

once during day 3, you can write

kill: name

in the game thread. the named player will die. note that once a daykill takes place, the votecount will be reset, and no votes or other day actions can occur until the moderator resolves the kill.

Vaxkilleryou are a

town fruit vendor

! you win once no members of opposing factions are alive.

as long as you are alive, during the day, you can vote and post in the game thread.

each night, you can target another player. that player will be informed that they have received fruit from you.

Edosuristyou are a

town triple voter

! you win once no members of opposing factions are alive.

as long as you are alive, during the day, you can vote and post in the game thread.

each vote you cast will instead count as three votes.

Wisdomyou are a

town fruit-enabled vigilante

! you win once no members of opposing factions are alive.

as long as you are alive, during the day, you can vote and post in the game thread.

you might receive fruit during the game. if you do, each night you can expend one fruit to target another player. that player will die.

Wagonomicsyou are a

town 3-month vigilante

! you win once no members of opposing factions are alive.

as long as you are alive, during the day, you can vote and post in the game thread.

each night, if the preceding day lasted at least 3 months from when the day began to when the final vote was cast (or when the deadline passed if the day ended with a deadline), you can target another player. that player will die.

vonflareyou are a

town death miller

! you win once no members of opposing factions are alive.

as long as you are alive, during the day, you can vote and post in the game thread.

whenever a player investigates you, you will appear to be a member of a non-town faction. when you die, you will appear to be a member of a non-town faction.

Posted: **Mon Dec 10, 2018 11:52 am**

CheekyTeeky, vonflare, Wisdom, profii, singletonking, and Wagonomics have confirmed (6/24)

Posted: **Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:13 pm**

Nancy Drew and Varsoon have confirmed (8/24)

Posted: **Mon Dec 10, 2018 1:36 pm**

Purrcocet and Kokichi Oma have confirmed (10/24)

Posted: **Mon Dec 10, 2018 5:00 pm**

Edosurist, Xtoxm, 0verki11, and TheBrie have confirmed (14/24)

Posted: **Thu Dec 13, 2018 7:58 am**

hebichan, Jaylow7, Gamma Emerald, Leodanny, Ausuka, Party Boat, Theta Alpine, and sheepsaysmeep have confirmed (22/24)

Vaxkiller has not confirmed and is being reminded via PM. light_ganski has not picked up her role PM yet and has a few days to do that before being replaced.

Posted: **Fri Dec 14, 2018 12:51 pm**

tell me if anyone complains about balance

Posted: **Tue Dec 18, 2018 10:48 pm**

xyzzy wrote:
AlmostNancy wrote:
xyzzy wrote:this is a prod! go make a post!
Sorry.

This is Nancy Drew 39. I
accidently
made a hydra slip. AlmostNancy isn’t in this game.
oh my god, you're right and I should've noticed that because that's like the third time this has happened this game. when will I fucking stop prodding people who aren't actually in the game just because they posted in the thread. I'm an idiot and you should find me in real life and set all my possessions on fire, leaving me destitute. this is the only reasonable response to the things I have done

local moderator fucks up again, film at 11

Posted: **Thu Dec 20, 2018 2:47 am**

night 1:
Gamma Emerald roleblocks Theta Alpine.

Posted: **Thu Dec 20, 2018 4:12 am**

profii cops sheepsaysmeep

Posted: **Thu Dec 20, 2018 7:25 am**

Theta Alpine jailkeeps hebichan

Posted: **Thu Dec 20, 2018 8:18 am**

Vaxkiller fruit vends Wisdom

Posted: **Sat Dec 22, 2018 9:10 pm**

night 1:
Gamma Emerald roleblocks Theta Alpine.
profii cops Wagonomics
Theta Alpine jailkeeps hebichan
Vaxkiller fruit vends Wisdom
TheBrie kills profii
Purrcocet fruit vends Nancy Drew 39
hebichan kills CheekyTeeky
sheepsaysmeep blocks Theta Alpine

Theta Alpine's jailkeep is blocked.
CheekyTeeky and profii die.
Wisdom gets "you have received fruit from Vaxkiller."
Nancy Drew 39 gets "you have received fruit from Purrcocet."

Posted: **Sat Dec 22, 2018 10:21 pm**

Woohoo! Gg.

Posted: **Sat Dec 22, 2018 10:46 pm**

Man why me

Posted: **Sat Dec 22, 2018 11:16 pm**

Should have just Vigged the Miller

Posted: **Sat Dec 22, 2018 11:53 pm**

Did you play the last one? I lasted like a couple of hours so I beat my record lol.

Posted: **Sat Dec 22, 2018 11:54 pm**

Nah - it’s been ages since I’ve been a N1 kill

Posted: **Sat Dec 29, 2018 1:48 am**

In post 1060, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
In post 1057, Xtoxm wrote:list of people who should be purged immediately:

Kokichi Oma
Vaxkiller
hebichan
TheBrie
singletonking
Theta Alpine
Jaylow7
vonflare
sheepsaysmeep

my neighbors can be spared the purging as i would like to play my role, but yes i am aware scum exists in there
I think Single, hebi and sheep are town. Probably The Brie and Theta too.

oof ow my bones

normally I wouldn't call out a specific wrong read in the mod thread but town reading 3/5 mafia and the SK is absolutely wild. it's statistically improbable!!!

Posted: **Fri Jan 18, 2019 4:40 am**

something I've been thinking about is how there's a lot of posts in this game that suggest that certain things might be true about the setup due to mod meta (like, sure, the fact that there are multiple third parties is very much something I've done before), but I feel like this will be the game that people point to in the future to try to establish my mod meta. like the premise of having an all-town neighborhood, 4 day-3 vigilantes, 2 roleblockers *and* 2 jailkeepers when the mafia can just always get kills through with an ascetic, a death miller, AND a jester in one setup where the central gimmick announced during signups wasn't even setup weirdness is the kind of thing where from now on nothing will be too weird to actually appear in a game I moderate. I'm basically poisoning the well w/r/t ever having anyone believe that I've made a simple, normal setup lmao

Posted: **Wed Jan 23, 2019 12:34 pm**

In post 20, xyzzy wrote:
In post 1060, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
In post 1057, Xtoxm wrote:list of people who should be purged immediately:

Kokichi Oma
Vaxkiller
hebichan
TheBrie
singletonking
Theta Alpine
Jaylow7
vonflare
sheepsaysmeep

my neighbors can be spared the purging as i would like to play my role, but yes i am aware scum exists in there
I think Single, hebi and sheep are town. Probably The Brie and Theta too.
oof ow my bones

normally I wouldn't call out a specific wrong read in the mod thread but town reading 3/5 mafia and the SK is absolutely wild. it's statistically improbable!!!

And my reads being backwards to hers means that I am VERY Happy with my reads this game.

Too bad I was wrong on the either/or, butstill.

Posted: **Wed Jan 23, 2019 12:40 pm**

Like if you look at my readslist.
I didn't say this, but I expected 0 scum in my top tier, 0-1 scum in the next tier (where Enter was), 0-1 scum in the middle tier (where Ausuka was), 1-3 scum in the scum tier (where TheBrie was), and 2-3 scum in my strong scumreads tier (where Purr, Dann, and Singleton were).

So I was dead on the mark.

Posted: **Wed Jan 23, 2019 12:44 pm**

(Okay, not quite. There were two scum in the Enter/sheep tier, where I only expected one.
And while the numbers are dead on, the distribution is off, since Xtoxm was a stronger scumread and I'd have three town besides him on my shortlist. BUTSTILL.)

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