Overkill 2: A Blood-Thirsty Stallone Themed Game

[Alchemist21]

VOTE: RCE for the Dr Evil avi.

[Alchemist21]

That’s the most organized VC I’ve ever seen.

[Alchemist21]

Hey kid.
I didnt finish reading but I hope things won't be this active all game.
I forgot how spammy these games get from the word go.

Anyways so far I have a scum read on RR and cherkteeky.
RR typically cerb is the wise and much more thoughtful of the hydra. His random vote and rational for his vote comes across as fake.
Cheekteeky looks like surface scum hunting. Basically asking questions that give nothing and read as oh I'm going to ask this because i can, not because i want a response.

VOTE: RR

On page 7 and still reading through. I think Farside is Town for this post. Seems like the kind of post meant to get the game serious and out of RVS.

[Alchemist21]

So, there are 26 of us. Game started with 22 of us confirming our roles. Now everyone confirmed their role, but only 22 have commented in this thread. I'm almost sure the four players who confirmed last, meaning that the game started before they confirmed their roles, were Wisdom, BuJaber, BrightEyedFish and DrewVa. That means that DrewVa saw that the game already started, but didn't come to say hi. That's rude.

VOTE: DrewVa

Ohhhhhhh

The first little bit of detective work I've seen so far, keep it up. I want to join!
VOTE: DrewVa

I don’t know you so I don’t know what your personality is like but this post seems a bit too enthusiastic(?), it’s like you’re doing this just to buddy pint rather than drive a DrewVa wagon.

P-edit: Jesus Varsoon you should probably see a doctor about that.

[Alchemist21]

It’s probably time I introduce myself to the group, just so people aren’t wondering and to give some general context.

Hi all! I’m Amz. As you may guess by the lack of history, the inability to navigate the forum, and the join date of this account, I’m new here.

But why would Almost let a completely new person into a game?

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

It probably has to do with RR. I’m dating the half of RR that isn’t married.

So hello!

I hear couples who endure a Mafia game together can endure anything. Good luck!

[Alchemist21]

This is just a miscommunication in tone because it is a forum setting. And it's redundant already.

Admittedly I didn't look at the Hebi games that we're brought up, I think that's a legitimate read from RR so despite the non-issue between them and bef, RR is town.

So no, you were not acting in RVS with that vote, and it *will* be considered as a significant vote where you failed to provide sufficient reasoning, and apparently lied about your experience with the meta of our slots.

-Cerb

I was still in RVS because I had just started reading the thread. I can't help it you got a 7 hour head start on me and used up your RVS mentality before I had a chance to even dip my toes in.
Also, when did I lie about meta? I said you voted heb

as

scum because it was the first post that came across as scummy to me. I never mentioned anything about meta. I don't where you pulled that from.

Your wording... "you did x as scum" implies that you saw them do x previously in a game where they were scum.

I read it as you did what you did (your action in this game) as scum.

If I were to say "you did what you did and thought you would get away with it", it would be the same thing.

That’s how I saw it as well. I don’t see any meta claim from the fishy.

[Alchemist21]

I vomited up blood this morning!
Anyway I'll be fine, just have had a really painful cough and infection.
I dunno why people think I'm town based on what I've posted so far especially in light of BoR which was a setup with TONS OF KILLS where I intentionally kept a low profile to try to duck shots.
DrewVa--what makes me inactive garbage play here town compared to my inactive garbage play in BoR?
Also yeah I truly did forget

and screw up how desperado worked

like 4 times publicly in that setup so I should be ashamed of myself because it wasn't even a rhetorical ploy it was just me loud-derping.

This is disappointing Varsoon, and your shame is warranted. I still love you, but yeah.

So, can someone tell me why people actually trying to play the game makes them more likely to be town than scum, in an objective way where(like Alchemist21 with Farside, and with whoever liked our slot for the same thing) just the fact that they did it gives them town credit? It feels like something that's super meta based...not everyone who plays scum tries to let town fumble around for as long as possible before getting into the game, and assuming that moving the game out of RVS is a town thing to do is essentially assuming that all scum play that way.

-Cerb

pedit: Also yeah, dude, doctor plz k?

Basically what Varsoon said. I think scum are less likely to stick their neck out early on and avoid drawing attention to themselves.

[Alchemist21]

VOTE: BrightEyedFish

That’s the vote I’m most comfortable with right now.

[Alchemist21]

Someone please remind me to change my avi later.

[Alchemist21]

VOTE: BrightEyedFish

That’s the vote I’m most comfortable with right now.

spoonfeed me on that vote
'cus from what I've read BrightEyed just seems BushyTailed and easy.

Based on what I said in 366

[Alchemist21]

Like what were you waiting for?

To finish my reading through the thread.

[Alchemist21]

Also alchemist21's ISO is rather empty even though he's seemingly keeping up.

Yeah don’t expect me to post a lot until I get engaged. A lot of my keeping up has been just skimming tbh.

[Alchemist21]

Oh Varsoon too

Damn I wanted to be cool and lead the charge

You can still take the reigns if you have some actual reasons to elaborate on why other folks should be voting there
This is my worst challenge when it comes to mafia
It's really hard for me to get others to see shit that I consider obvious

I have this same problem too.

And I swear when I’m right nobody ever listens to me; when I’m wrong everyone wants to agree.

[Alchemist21]

My thoughts about this last 8 pages: the tinfoil hat is back, babyyyyyy. Wisdom and DrewVa's drama finishing with both voting the same slot seems staged. But I'll leave the tinfoil hat saved for later.

@Tails we have to talk sweetie. I would say profii is more likely scum for his list than town. Not because of the content (well that's something too) but because of the intention: big big game, scary game, you want to be active or seem to be 'cause lurking as scum is good strat and people could hunt you down for staying out of focus while someone else steals the show. profii said it himself. So let's say profii is scum and it's scared of a huge list of players who seems to know each other and know what they are doing. The best way to look busy is to create an early readlist and EXPLICITLY SAY "I'll reply to anyone who ask me about my reads" or something like that. So: profii doesn't create any content 'cause that's too risky. Instead, he waits for the rest to create content for him; if you ask, confront or agree with profii about one of his reads, you will give him the chance to look busy by replying whatever you say. That's the best way to stay engaged when engaging looks scary.

BuJaber and RR, followed closely by the blowfish, are my townreads so far.

I can see where you’re coming from with the Profi thing but Townies withhold reads and reasons more often than you’d think, at least on this site. I wouldn’t scumread someone based on that alone.

Why is the Fish Town to you?

[Alchemist21]

Instead of reading the game from the start I'm just going to ISO skim people in alphabetical order. I've just finished Davesaz and this is where I'm at:

Town lean
Fish
Chick

Nullish/conflicted
BuJaber
Creature
Davesaz

Scum lean
Alchemist
Amzela

Alchemist you said that your post 366 explained your naked vote on Fish but that post seems to be talking more about Drewva than fish. Can you elaborate on your reads on both Fish and Drewva?

Amzela - what is your read on RR currently? I think you've implied you think they are town. Do you have reads on anyone, particularly those that have been pushing you?

Consider my list a bookmark until I can get more done.

No that post is definitely talking about Fish buddying up to Pint. The wagon could have been on anyone and it would still look the same.

DrewVa I’m null on. Seemed to me that the main reason Nancy got scumread was because of how she reacted to her wagon and then got mad when people questioned if her rage was genuine. I’m not disputing the idea that she could fake emotion as scum but on the other hand emotional people tend to get even more emotional when their feelings are doubted so I don’t see how the rage is something that can’t come from Town.

[Alchemist21]

Won’t be around today for the holiday.

Same.

[Alchemist21]

Does anyone else not get preview edit when phone posting... I’m sure I used to

Sometimes I do and sometimes I don’t. It’s inconsistent.

[Alchemist21]

Oh are we trying to lynch me again? That's fun. Good luck with that.

Ooh it's my scum day

Tell us why your play is so different here then in the game I linked?

You were blatantly obvtown in that one.

You especially need to explain it to Wisdom, how can’t understand meta reads if his life depended on it.

I already explained this but 1) that game had a whole bunch of Torontomeet people in it originally and I wanted to play with them 2) my play isn't "so different" after they all replaced out 3) 1-game meta arguments are garbage

I just re-ISO’d your game and 2) is patently false. You’re obvtown game didn’t deteriorate at all, it remained consistent. 3) Completely disagree.

Fun fact: Scum!Varsoon said pretty much the exact same thing in BoD, wrt meta. I should have seen that for the scumtell it was.

What are you considering obvTown for him? I was in that game with him and he did drop off after the OG playerlist was gone (but I was also scum and not really paying attention to Towntells).

[Alchemist21]

Alchemist shoe me some gamesolving

Meh, give it time. Nothing else has stuck out to me so far aside from what I’ve said before. I’d normally think 5 votes on DGB like this meant 1 or 2 scum were definitely there but with 26 slots and 14 votes to lynch, 5 votes isn’t as big as it sounds.

[Alchemist21]

Creature can’t you do this in Notepad or a personalized PT and then post just the juicy bits in here?

[Alchemist21]

I’d say he probably hasn’t read the reactions to his posts yet but he did wonder about getting them right after Jiffy started saying something so I’m not sure. It’s pretty funny if he called it in real time like that though.

[Alchemist21]

Ooh if Majiffy gets to L-1 I want the hammer. Hopefully Thor turns up and shows us some thunder before that.

A player named after the one who wielded the most famous hammer of all time and you’re asking for the hammer?

[Alchemist21]

Did anything important happen yesterday?

[Alchemist21]

Who and how?

[Alchemist21]

I’m null on her play. Last page I was on was 58 or 59 and I don’t have time to read ~10 pages of posts I missed yesterday.

[Alchemist21]

Tldr

Wisdom clashes with more slots (Dave, RR, Nero/Majiffy)
Majiffy replaces out (won't comment in this, it's in his iso) Nero Cain takes his spot
Majiffy wagon dies, replaced by Chickadee wagon and Bujaber counterwagon.

Did anyone think Nero obvTowned? If not then I’d say the Jiffy wagon that existed was a result if personality clash.

[Alchemist21]

That Chickadee case makes sense to me.

VOTE: Chickadee

[Alchemist21]

Ha! Stole your pagetop!

[Alchemist21]

Did anyone think Nero obvTowned?

What are your thoughts on me.

I'm being facetious

Such strong belief!

I haven’t read any if your posts. You replaced in during the part I didn’t read.

[Alchemist21]

People have put in their two cents on chickadee already. The wagon is already there I'm sure he can see the VC. He's also probably going to read for himself. I summarized so he can pick what to skip over if he wants. But I'm not going to spoon-feed him reads.

Alchemist is a big boy he can think and decide for himself.

Just an FYI if I was going to read the pages myself then I wouldn’t ask for a recap of what I missed.

That said I think I’m going to stop trying to keep up and try direct in-the-moment interactions from this point forward because keeping up just results in me skimming and nothing’s sticking out to me that way.

[Alchemist21]

I've read through Chick's iso a few times now to see if I'm missing anything. (THE PEER PRESURE!) and I don't really feel like she's all that scummy. Also not a huge fan of Pints case.

Its a little dated but @ one point in time active Creature=town Creature and Creature WAS being a useless lursack. So it makes plenty of sense to me that Chick would push on something that she thinks she has right.

I feel like this "inconsistency" he's pushing is him saying Creature should be treated like this and she's not treating him like I would.

As for her not instantly unvoting Creature when he started spam posting, I sort of feel like scum her would try to avoid such an obvious inconsistency that she'd undoubtedly get called on.

Maybe, but with enough time and pages maybe she forgot how strongly she worded that Creature scumread or thought nobody else would remember. It could also be the result of her not wanting to give up a safe vote if she felt it was the only one she had.

[Alchemist21]

She didn't back away from creature until she started getting attention for it after his catch up. I do find drawing attention away from mounting wagons scummy because it implies a vested interest in keeping one of the two slots (DGB or Majiffy) alive.

Well actually Jiffy and Chickadee kinda buddy each other in-game. In the last Large I played my scumbuddy kinda joked about them being into each other and I think he wanted to keep both alive to make it look like they were really scum partners.

[Alchemist21]

Do we really need policy lynched in a game with so many killing roles that there had to be a limit on how many can die at once?

[Alchemist21]

Do we really need policy lynched in a game with so many killing roles that there had to be a limit on how many can die at once?

Eh, maybe not. I just dislike having players like those in lylo.

However, we have no idea if they are town kills or not. If they are not, than yeah policy lynches day one are still fine.

The way the rules are set out implies Town and scum get killing powers.

[Alchemist21]

That's fair.

Can we lynch thor over clem then? I think thor's iso is worse in general.

I’ll switch if either Clem starts looking Towny or you show me a reason more convincing than what was shown to me about Chick.

[Alchemist21]

Nero made that multi vote post after making a comment that too many people were either naked voting or ok with it. Suspecting it isn’t a read list...

Probably isn’t since he has 13/26 slots listed.

Unrelated, who is Toogaloo and why haven’t they ever placed a vote?

[Alchemist21]

Well that sucks. I take it nothing bad happens if he’s just off the lynch wagon entirely?

[Alchemist21]

RCE can be town

Why are you voting Gamma?

[Alchemist21]

I'm a hungry bear, he's a salmon swimming upstream.

I was looking for a serious reason and not a troll reason because I have a bit of a Townread on Gamma myself.

[Alchemist21]

Anyone townreads Gamma?

I do.

[Alchemist21]

can i die yet

You don't fear death. You welcome it. Your punishment must be more severe. We will destroy Gotham and then, when it is done and Gotham is...ashes... then you have my permission to die.

[Alchemist21]

can i die yet

You don't fear death. You welcome it. Your punishment must be more severe. We will destroy Gotham and then, when it is done and Gotham is...ashes... then you have my permission to die.

I thought the exact same thing. Because of this you are now on the town council, but we do not grant you the rank of master

This is outrageous. It’s unfair. How can you be on the council and not be a master?

[Alchemist21]

I feel like I was sold a canvas bag and got a nylon one instead with this game.

[Alchemist21]

P.edit. Both Clem’s self-hammer to presumably prevent Toogeloo from hammering, plus Chick’s townread of Toogeloo are pretty damning, when combined together.


VOTE: Toogeloo

Why would scum want to prevent their teammate from hammering?

[Alchemist21]

Of all the reasons to be scumread, being too funny is one I could live with.

[Alchemist21]

Also re: Gamm, he looks for serious gamesolvey Alch too to Townread me and you’ll see a couple posts from him this game reaching out to me to make those kinds of posts which is why I’m Townreading him.

[Alchemist21]

I’d also like to know why BEF wants Hebi lynched.

[Alchemist21]

Ok seriously someone please explain the Hebi case.

[Alchemist21]

No.

[Alchemist21]

We signed up for murder. It was promised.

I mean we could just like randomly quicklynch someone, get all that murder happening asap?

One sec, lemme go to a random number generator and see who we're gonna lynch today.

Came up with 21(naturally I removed myself, and I'm in the list prior to that point, so that's actually 22), so RIP hebichan.

I <3 you, you're adorable, but RNGesus, who is superior in scumhunting skill to this playerlist, has determined you should die.

VOTE: hebichan

-Cerb

Can I not be the day one lynch again? Please. I want to play a game one of these months.

VOTE: RCE

hebichan, who was Bandit, and Town Desperado, was killed in Night 2.
15. hebichan, Human Wiretapper, Lynched Day Four.
hebichan, an Aspiring Hero, was lynched Day 5

???

VOTE: hebichan harder for unwarranted AtE in response to a meaningless push, which she used a lie to support.

-Cerb

That's all I've got Alchemist21. *shrug* There's probably more if I like...look.

-Cerb

That’s not really convincing and with the way these votes have happened it kinda feels like either Nero or your slot are scum and Hebi’s the counterwagon. Either that or too many people think BEF is softing a guilty.

[Alchemist21]

VOTE: CheekyTeeky

I think Cheeky knows how both will flip and wants to get them both.

[Alchemist21]

The “is it really?” line is out of nowhere too. I’m trying to see how it’s not a slip and can’t see it.

VOTE: Creature

[Alchemist21]

yeh def hebi buddies in there

Varsoon and Aclem seem the worst to me. Both Cerb and Dave are just do do's.

Alch is a little too blatant

Varsoon I could see

I’m blatant because I’m sure that guilty is fake.

[Alchemist21]

All anti-Town players have been provided with proper fake claims.

Hmm, is it really?

Creature what was this answering if it wasn’t a scumslip?

[Alchemist21]

Ok, I think I see what you’re saying.

VOTE: CheekyTeeky

[Alchemist21]

Were all the kills janitored?

[Alchemist21]

I wonder... what are the odds BEF is actually an active x-shot PGO and softed an investigative role to draw scum then used his ability to kil them?

Doesn’t account for all the Janitor stuff but that’s probably someone with a global role like Toog’s global Doc.

[Alchemist21]

I know I have alot of explaining to do. I am very busy this weekend but I'll try to be as helpful as possible.
I don't know if I was redirected or something like that but I did get a guilty on Heb.
There is nothing in my role pm that explains why heb flipped VT with a guilty.
My N2 action brought about a No Result and again I can't explain why.
I am reluctant to say who I targeted because my results from the Nights can not be confirmed (even a No Result) after the Heb flip.

Explain your role, or are you claiming a simple Cop role?

[Alchemist21]

Ok I’ve read the other posts. BEF is just plain lying.

VOTE: BrightEyedFish

[Alchemist21]

Don't forget. I am Rambo. Would that make me town or scum?

That means nothing because even if that implied your alignment we already know scum can have fake flavor. claims too.

[Alchemist21]

Ok screw it. I didn’t want to claim like this but since people are still giving Benefit of the Doubt here...

I Tracked BEF N1 and saw he visited nobody. That’s how I knew the guilty was fake. I Tracked Cheeky N2, which you can see in that flavor hint, and she visited BEF which is why I speculated BEF having a PGO role.

He’s not backing down from his bullshit so I’m calling it out.

[Alchemist21]

My result explicitly said that my target didn’t leave their home. Now you called guilty on a player and I knew you didn’t have one and that person flipped Town. From what I can see you’ve just been lying the whole time and this “everyone on my wagon will die” claim sounds like more bs to scare us outta lynching you.

[Alchemist21]

What made you track BEF on N1, Alchemist?

I had some mild suspicion on him early D1.

[Alchemist21]

Also,
if I were PGO and you visited me N1, wouldn't you be dead right now?

I never asserted you were a scum PGO; I thought you were possibly Town trying to draw scum to you on N2. . I also specifically said you could be an

active

PGO and activated your power N2. Anyway, that hypothesis died when you kept up the “I investigated Hebi” act which I do not buy.

[Alchemist21]

Spoiler: Toog was

This is about the only slot I don't need to check back to see what role they got all game. It was a 1/26 shot, and you still did it!

You are the mighty "Sylvester Stallone" himself (i.e. Not a character in a movie), and as such you can only be an

Actor

, right? This means you are quite the inverse of a Priest.

You can only vote if your vote is the HAMMER. Otherwise; you shall be modkilled.

HOWEVER; Stallone is also a director, so maybe you should have a say on how matters go? OK, you also have a

1-Shot Global Doctor

ability (after all, Mr Stallone was the Director of "Stayin' Alive" in 1983). You can activate this ability at any chosen night, and it will give each and every player a "normal" Doctor protection on that night. (Doctors can only save from one NK, and cannot stop strongman kills.)

To be clear: You are NOT a "Hammerer", so you are

not obliged

to lay the hammer. However, that is the only time you are allowed to vote at all.

Since you are still aligned with the town; your win con is to eliminate all evil to get your win. GOOD LUCK.

P.S. I'm -of course- referring to the 1-shot Global Doctor bit.

I went back and looked at the global doctor thing, and after reading his role pm again, I am thinking that perhaps toog was the only one who could hammer me. This is a theory but it would at least fit with the flavor.

So the only one who could hammer you safely is already dead? Just stop with this lying already.

[Alchemist21]

Also,
if I were PGO and you visited me N1, wouldn't you be dead right now?

I never asserted you were a scum PGO; I thought you were possibly Town trying to draw scum to you on N2. . I also specifically said you could be an

active

PGO and activated your power N2. Anyway, that hypothesis died when you kept up the “I investigated Hebi” act which I do not buy.

I just assumed you think Im scum because you are voting me.

I didn’t assume that until you kept claiming you investigated Hebi this Day.

[Alchemist21]

Good game!