Excalibur [Endgame]

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I'm also trying to wrap my head around if having a secret bulletproof town player is stronger than having a bulletproof IC.

IC?

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Everyone let us all begin by giving our Arthur reveal.

If you don’t know what I mean I am saying we all soft Merlin role and claim a person to be Arthur.
In case Merlin is night killed/lynched by accident we have our cleared townie.

Let me begin:
Varsoon is Arthur

Liking this idea, will/did somebody do a compiled list of these for quick easy reflection later

Auro is Arthur

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Because your plan requires atleast one of them to be a willing participant to challenge the other.

It sure does, but if town agrees that having top scumreads duel each other is preferable to having people yolo duel then maybe it will discourage people from yolo dueling.

Most games with this mechanic are lost or become frustrating/boring for town because of yolo dueling. So there needs to be a clear town position that yolo dueling will result in losing the duel.

What's YOLO dueling?

[VeridianCleric]

Everyone let us all begin by giving our Arthur reveal.

If you don’t know what I mean I am saying we all soft Merlin role and claim a person to be Arthur.
In case Merlin is night killed/lynched by accident we have our cleared townie.

Let me begin:
Varsoon is Arthur

Fuuuuck no
Read the mechanics again.

Ah Gamma your no fun Firebringers idea was good because we the anybody who is unwilling is likely scum and the true Merlin can't say the actual Arthur so can pick somebody who is not he
therefore They who be Merlin can safely point at any other fellow muggle to distract the scum. If Merlin gets dueled/killed than we know the target is not Arthur.

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@Auro
Thanks will do, I kept looking at the wrong thread for D1 start, catching up, but will have to re-connect after work for the rest of the pages

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The part I haven't been able to figure out is how the dual/gladiate works?
do both have to accept the dual? what prevents
Player A Challenging Player B Challenging Player C Challenging Player A??

or is it that once the challenge is made the Galidator ring begins, period end of story, no declining. period.

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If there is no declining gladiates that makes sense then if multiple people request the sword is the decision on who is getting the sword occur before or after the Fallens' Nighkill?

As the sword recipient is randomly selected from those whom commanded to retrieve it, I would imagine the selection is done from the remaining knights after the nightkill has been performed.

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there are multiple theories to manage the game, some great some not so much
the issue is that those of the fallen knowing our strategy can easily play through it.

The idea that everybody claims makes the thou who doth claim the sword random, so the fallen can simply not claim, we knowith not if they did or not

The idea that if the Nobel Arthur befalls us than the fallen just claim as our wizardy friend is also rediculas as than we rally to together to allow Merlin to claim the sword freely in that case and if it's truly a hidden fallen then they die, and if it was really merlin the fallen likely target the wizard anyhow and thus dies (as knightkill resolves before swordclaim) as twould be suicide for the fallen to allow merlin the sword.


what I see is this, two are Gladiating today,

we have three people declare intention to claim the sword tongith, of those only those three claim. the Fallen must select from one of our worthy comrades whom to try and kill, as they only get one shot we know of the remaining two that one received the sword and is our protectorate.
we leave it to that person to declare the Challenges for the next day on the third sword commander and we excommunicate their opposition without prejudice. This gives no doubt that the claiment has the sword.
There can be no more noble a cause to lay ones life down for their fellows in arms

how it doesn't work, the fallen can't claim the sword they die, so that bypasses that
anybody outside the three whom claim are working anti-town anyhow and should be excommunicated
if the fallen target somebody outside the three they are either attempting to protect a comrad or put doubt on the living.

with starting as 13-4 this gives the chance we COULD lose 4 Arturian knights going into Day 3 (Gladiate, Nightkill, policy Glaidate, Nightkill)
however, than we have 9-4 minimum, with a confirmed protected member of the round table and anybody who counter claims having the sword is working against town and either the fallen attempting to lead us astray or somebody playing anti-town. either way the gladiator candidate.
if they flip fallen, we immedietly know original betrayed us, and is target for Day 4. Still should keep us at 7-4, 7-3 for EOD 4 a position to repeate the process with improved odds,

in all the town wins by day 6, and we don't need to risk loosing Arthur with a Blood thirsty Vig.


With this idea as well, it allows merlin to participate in the volunteering process to hide their position and as such could step in only if they witness that Arthur has stepped up to claim the sword. Allows the rest of us to know that Arthur has Excalibur without Merlin breaching rules stating whom it was. Then hence forth Arthur will have the sword and Glaidator protection, double power to freely wield as so wisely they doth choose.

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The issue Gamma is if everybody claims the Fallen don't have to bother, and therefore they never instant-die because of that

the Request for holly Excalibur is done via PM, so we don't know whom of the noble circle has requested to extract it from the rock, only that it has been claimed, and even than not by whom.

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@Auro
that's why i posted my suggestion
we have 3 people volunteer (or volunetold) to take the sword
Any and all should be willing to do so, to lay their lives on the line for the town is a noble act.

Anybody who refuses is likely scum

As there is only three doing so than one will receive it the other is policy excommunicated the following day, they will either prove their nobility or fall upon their own sword (so to say)

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He said in his next sentence, "Of course this crumbles if Maf don't go for it, which is the probable case"

Yeah it's just weird seeing Gamma spew out a weird theory only to immediately dismiss it tbh

I have to agree with you hear DvA

When I read Varsoon's earlier post (so many moons ago it seems now) my immediate thought was "that ain't gonna work" the Fallen have no reason or incentive there to claim at all and no way to call them out on it.

Gammas post makes it almost seem like a fence sitting to me, in that "i'll say something that looks like I agree with this idea in case it flys but have another statement to play on in case it doesn't"

do you (DvA) think that perhaps that those two are working together more than we anticipate?

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to lay their lives on the line for the town is a noble act.

This guys really getting into his Arthurian RP or something

Themed game, gonna try my best makes it more interesting/fun to be honest.

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Agree Dunnstral, I was thinking the same as I was finishing up the idea

I would say we would tell one person they are going on the quest for the sword
Another would volunteer willingly
on D1 we may need two volunteers but if two people are exceptionally scummy than they could both be sent on the quest

The benefit here is even if all three live (because scum bypasses the trifecta on the nighkill and a knight of the round obtains the sword) we know we have a conf!town among the three. a claim/counter sets the Gladiator up right away and a mislynch still reveals the scum AND leaves the sword for reclaiming by another set of three

either way we discover the dark night among our noble crew.

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agreed, and even if one doesn't give up the sword it still gives our nobles a protector for us all, if they decide to vig and their not Arthur they die anyhow and are forced to give up the sword so either way should still work for us.

the question then remains if the three are the sword claimants then who does battle today?

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I think Gamma is good candidate to look into, quick to jump on strategies such as Varsoon without providing ideas of their own.

Firebringer trying to get everybody to reveal who they thought Arthur was, as the Fallen would know 4 of those guesses were bogus that would give 13 decent guesses to work with, any guesses on themselves would be ignored.
Further, claims and bosting of high success rates is rediculas

Lady's opening post is calling somebody as a fallen knight, dishonoured and unworthy to the rightfull claim of Excalibur, Further Lady is openly willing to take Excalibur
Also calls at Auro for discussin mechanics (Meta-Auro does this lots)
Also gives claim that Nancy and UT are town, without explaination as to why, Auro and I cought the foul laggards doing this in game that just ended.
Lady actually gives many reasons why not to follow along with any plan that has been laid out!

Untrod Tripod also jumps out, wants the sword, willing to run anybody through with it nightly and doesn't care the risk.


Varsoon i believe is hasn't fallen from the nobility of the round table, his suggestive play is the same as the one we just completed.
Dva same pro noble feel based on previous game, same push and drive.


Personally at this point I would see Firebringer and Lady enter the ring as they seem to be going after each other anyhow.

with Gamma, Untrod and varsoon going for the sword since two have said they don't care what the rest of the council say they are going for the sword.

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night all, talk in the morning