Mini Normal 2046: Dead Thread

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Hey, sorry BEF. I tunneled really bad and conf biased all over the place that last day.

Anyways who is the scum team and is it actually Suka/DDL

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Also I feel like I played embarrassingly bad but from what I've gathered neither town or scum as a whole has been doing so hot.

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I'm actually a little surprised I died though, thought I could get pushed today and maybe Creature would get NKed.

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If mbaki is scum I will eat a shoe

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Maybe it's DDL/Varsoon but that seems too simple

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I'm sticking with Suka/DDL. I think it's the most obvious answer and this game has been all about town overthinking.

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Reading back through the game they have very few interactions/mentions with each other except for a few times when DDL leaning-town reads Suka and Suka says she scum reads DDL but always votes elsewhere. This game is hard to read. The only people I'm sure are town are Creature and mbaki. (if they're the scum team just kill me now)

also nice job sending town in chaos for about 2 days

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I'm uh... optimistic

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Ahahahahahaha I love mbaki

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Possibly Suka thought mbaki was more likely a PR because of mbaki's whole insistence of claiming near last

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Hmmm, what are the odds rb didn't scumread any of his partners?

lmao they're slowly catching on that nothing rb did was logical

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the ascetic claim seems weird? but oka is behaving weirdly in general so idk

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wow mbaki going OFF

love it

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so confused what Varsoon's plan is/was??

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DDL should have been lynched already as well

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This is a BEF level claim right here.

... ouch

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why isn't DDL lynched yet

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nooooooooooooooooo don't look at my dead person reads

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mbaki doesn't ever kill me in this game

town is gonna lose just from being burned out (which is actually kinda fucked because most of the players left have been lurking all game anyway)

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maybe I'm just hoping I had 1 good read in this whole game but scum!mbaki would blow my mind and honestly just be poor play from him

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i wonder if there is / was anything i could've done to prevent or mitigate that burnout.

I don't think so. You've been a very consistent and good mod but I think the issues this game is entirely player composition. Also, if you swap some of the living and dead town players the game probably looks better for town. It's just scum choosing their NKs well (even rb ended up being profitable for them), it just doesn't look very pretty.

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if oka gets stuck on this self vote again imma scream

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maybe he's just DDL's scum buddy

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I'm not experienced enough to have a very good feel for setups, but the general consensus by the player list seems to be that the town appears weak in this game. It makes me wonder if one of the vt claims or even pr claims are lying and having a more sizable role and they're maybe hoping to dodge the night kill to use it to pin scum. That could also be influencing the shear amount of stubbornness from every player today, or that could just be mentality.

Or that might be very stupid, I'm just a bit paranoid with the fake claim already from BEF.

Varsoon being a scum UB is not out of the question?

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lol was also wondering about replacing in but that's probably problematic for several reasons

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DDL lynch just seems smartest today? like you don't lynch a PR today and I think DDL is the best VT to lynch

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I do not envy Suka's replacement here

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A creature/Oka scum team would make some kinda sense

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you really think that was fake?

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I'm stuck on DDL being scum not only because of his play but because rb had to have been killed for some reason right

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or maybe thinking there was any logic behind anything involving rb is a trap lmao

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do you think the setup makes sense if moongrass is scum?

yea this is why Suka/moongrass kinda has to be town

Voyeur + UB alone doesn't really make sense nor does it have any real power

Follower + Voyeur + UB isn't a ton of power, but it's a lot better and not that bad against presumably 2 Goons + 1 Traitor Role cop

Commuter should be town too.

Ascetic kinda harms town more than it helps it in this setup, right? So I don't see why it would be a town role over a scum role.

So I guess based on that Oka/DDL is my solve

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I just don't see why town would receive an ascetic role in a game where they already have such low overall investigative power

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either way I don't know that the game is balanced with a scum!UB now that I think about it

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yea agreed

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technically they had the rolecop, though the main scum team had no way of getting those results if I understand correctly

pedit: yea the early game interactions between DDL/Suka was what made me call that scum team right after I died

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put it in a spoiler and we can choose to view it or not? I don't mind personally

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very interesting, ascetic could also be town then

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Hm really don't like the forced case on mbaki now

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the mbaki push is old/tired and no info can come from it other than a (what i think is obvious) mislynch

DDL has gotten away with so much shit this game honestly, I just want someone besides mbaki and a scatterbrained Varsoon to pressure him

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if all the buildup of this day ends in an mbaki lynch I'm gonna be so disappointed

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i mean from a town perspective a mislynch is still better than a no lynch here

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mbaki's play is bad if it's coming from scum, and while I don't think there has been any exceptionally good town play this game, his play makes more logical sense as town. But maybe I'm biased too.

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no one's play has been great this game

but like, if I'm alive mbaki

never

gets lynched. It's not worthwhile for scum!mbaki to give up that security for the argument that "he'd never kill me"

if we assume mbaki is scum you have to assume he made an extremely sub optimal decision

and regardless of his frustration with the game or the general level of play in this game mbaki is not a bad player

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why is oka so tunneled on varsoon lol

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I swear almost all of the players by now have complained about no one listening to them / reading their posts, it's painful to watch

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honestly i'm glad i'm dead

^

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it's a DDL/Creature scum team?

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am actually really thinking Creature might be scum now?

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damn

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town loses this

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it'll probably be mbaki today

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yea this game is over

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unless mbaki can pull out some last minute convincing

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I thought Oka was playing absolutely awful this game but not that I know he's scum I kinda have to rescind that

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yea I wish I'd managed to have more of an impact when I came in too, maybe I should have pushed mbaki town even harder lmao

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it just feels so bad to push a slot like that when town is so scummy

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yea that's a pretty good summary of this game, though I'd had

Oka

pegged as a "town who does outrageous things"

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oops maybe spoiler tag that

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Moon
Creature
Oka
Varsoon
Drdoolittle
Mbaki

Kmd's reads make me wonder if. DDL/mbaki is TvT.

it's too bad moongrass will be dead tomorrow I feel like he could nail the scum team if the mbaki lynch still goes through today

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cmon creature hammer oka plz

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omg yes

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oh boy this is a roller coaster of emotions I'm too invested in this game lol

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yea that makes sense

Spoiler:

none of kmd's catchups were ever actually helpful/spurring discussion and we just kinda gave him a pass for it

i just wanna know why the fuck the scum team killed you lmao

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I'm so happy

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thank you creature

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it does feel like town are underdogs in this though, and it's nice to root for an underdog

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which is strange considering scum killed their team mate N1, but ig town put themselves in this position

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hahahaahaha

well played oka, though, seriously

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why do you guys shoot rb lol

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cant wait to see the scum PT aftermath of that

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that's fair lol

I still thought you were town for the longest time

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kmd can theoretically pull this out if he can make sure the game goes down the "there has to be 1 scum in DDL and mbaki" route

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I did enjoy reading your spew on Varsoon haha

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sad we'll never get to see parts 3 and 4

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yay

I was slightly surprised bc multiple ppl (varsoon and ddl mainly) seemed to want to push me end of that day

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but mbaki probably becomes easier push once im dead so I think I get it

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If mbaki and DDL make up this game could be over very quickly