Mini Normal 2046: Mafia Hideout

[OkaPoka]

i can post here wooooooo to confirm

im mafia goon wooooo

hi kmd!

[OkaPoka]

Who do you think is the traitor? I think it's

vorkuta

Also nk thoughts?

[OkaPoka]

i feel like creature and leodanny are mason buddies

[OkaPoka]

anyways we should have a protocol if you do find the traitor

idk what it should be, it should be low key but visible to me

[OkaPoka]

i was considering creature too as a possibility

maybe

anyways rb kill works. he's pretty well townread. i guess checking creature works as well. i was thinking vorkuta only because he's so scummy lol

[OkaPoka]

kill rb

for now

[OkaPoka]

let's come up with a passphrase tho

like if you succeed say "Okay" as your first word in your post

otherwise don't say it

unless you have something else in mind.

idk u decide

we dont have daytalk so we need to figure it out

[OkaPoka]

VT
VT
VT
VT
VT
VT
VT
Vig (assuming bef being honest here)
vs
Goon
Friendly Neighborizer
Traitor

no day talk

would be scumsided

interesting to note is the only way we get daytalk if you neighborize me. but that means any other mason group would probs be w/o a neighborizing ability.
i think we could potentially have a voyeur/watcher/tracker type of investigative pr, cop is way too strong here imo
would be interesting if town had a roleblocker, we'd have no way of knowing if you got roleblocked or something along those lines
hmm

[OkaPoka]

+ 2 town aligned stuff lol oops

anyways

hopefully bef shoots mbaki

[OkaPoka]

maybe its bait but i dont think so with how that 1v1 transpired

[OkaPoka]

remember the passphrase! (Okay) (only on success )

[OkaPoka]

oof

lmao

ok i think you neighborize me

i shoot dann

[OkaPoka]

hmm

maybe

nero is very paranoid

[OkaPoka]

i dunno tho

dann does a lot more for town chemistry while nero kinda breaks it down, i do worry that nero is hard to sway if he's right tho

[OkaPoka]

also i think suka is a chamber alt ?

[OkaPoka]

is chamber any good?

[OkaPoka]

kill nero cain

ill sit here for now but let's put together some pieces in case u get rb'd or something

[OkaPoka]

which town players do you want to lylo with?

i think that you making it to lylo is the most important here, over me, because u getting killed my reveal stuff about setup

[OkaPoka]

Nero Cain <- if we kill here tonight

Town players left:
Varsoon (I'm planning on pushing this tomorrow as the counterwagon)
Creature (spam post-y, i think he tr's activity lmao)
mbaki (worry that w/o nero's shenanigans that he'll go unchecked, i dunno if i can stand up against him esp with dann here)
Dannflor (pretty townread and is solidified in his reads)
BrightEyedFish (My guess for the dominant early wagon)
Suka (Chamber alt?)
DrDolittle (VT claim)

[OkaPoka]

sorry for spam posting, just dumping thoughts in case neighborizing fails

tho i think creature might be mad tomorrow given that vorkuta lynch went through. he might take it out on people on the vorkuta wagon including myself. there's going to be a lot of reads-shuffling, so it's going to be kinda important to make a strong impression early tomorrow

[OkaPoka]

possible people who will go after bef (suka, ddl, mbaki, dann)
possible people who would support me on varsoon (creature)

that leaves varsoon, bef as the "unknowns"

tho varsoon + bef might go after ddl?

[OkaPoka]

alright yeah, sounds good

[OkaPoka]

Maybe. Anyways I think I have some crumbs to be a 1 shot invest role

I'll think about it

[OkaPoka]

We need to pr hunt

Fkkk

[OkaPoka]

Suka maybe? Seems very confident in innocent reads

[OkaPoka]

yeah i was thinking something along those lines

and i was thinking what if creature was a protective pr

voyeur pr, mastina told me is usually added in last second for balancing as a satellite role. which means town probably had some weaker prs w this traitor setup

not sure tho

ughh

so hard

we can always just kill for team threats

idk tho

[OkaPoka]

I don't know if my case on you was enough to distance us unfortunately. Its going to get really rough

[OkaPoka]

nah i dont think suka has an above average chance to be invest pr

early game shows that he does this type of reads

[OkaPoka]

I mean this is some pretty weak scum prs

and the fact that the strongest pr was on traitor (since u dont give us daytalk apparently)

so the fact that traitor gets shot probably gets accounted into swing, town prs are probably pretty limited in power

maybe no invests in the game

[OkaPoka]

Mini 1854
Moderator: Dierfire
Current Update: Game Over [Awaiting Archiving]

Playerlist
TwoFace, Town Citizen, survived
Empking Vedith replaced TwiszTed replaced DeathByWobbuffet, Mafia Goon, lynched day 4
Lil Uzi Vert, Town Mason, died night 4
FrankJaeger, Town Backup Bodyguard, killed night 2
xSoniaNevermindx replaced Creeps20 replaced oddmusic, Mafia Role Cop, lynched day 5
Hiraki replaced Wyvernite, Town Citizen, lynched day 2
Aj The Epic replaced ScumDeersAreVeryTasty replaced Io, Town Citizen, lynched day 3
Gamma Emerald, Town Citizen, survived
hapahauli Joshz replaced Eric Rasputin, Town Citizen, survived
havingfitz, Mafia Goon, lynched day 1
Aristophanes replaced cytomyloto, Town Citizen, survived
Nachomamma8 replaced MisaTange, Town Mason, died night 3
Mathblade replaced TheseViolentDelights, Town Bodyguard, died night 1

[OkaPoka]

I kinda feel like Voyeur is the type of named role NRG would throw into a setup because someone was complaining it felt just a touch scumsided so it could very well actually be out of place.

You're not wrong! You were dead on the money; that is precisely what happens in a ton of setups.

Most setups have core roles inherent to their key design, and then satellite roles designed to fine-tune the balance; voyeur is a frequent satellite role. (Because in of itself, a voyeur with no modifiers is almost useless; it can have

some

utility, albeit limited, but it is never a role which will on its own singlehandedly give a faction a huge advantage. Making it perfect to give an extra "oomph" to the town or mafia, without significantly overpowering either.)

Of course, these rules go out the window when you adjust the setup's starting size or the queue, since larger/smaller games and games that aren't Normal use inherently different standards (or in the case of themes, no standards at all), but it's a nifty guideline which will always serve you well.

(Generally speaking, it is really, really hard to design a 13-player Normal that's a balanced game, low on swing, where literally every single role as-is, is equally essential to game balance...particularly because them being equally essential to game balance makes the game susceptible to breakage via massclaim, in that if the town can tell every single town role as-claimed is essential to game balance, it's too self-confirming. So designers compromise in some areas, to preserve the integrity of the most important areas.)

from our game designer

[OkaPoka]

voyeur makes sense here tho, its the safeguard against you checking for traitor mates while not being solid.


the key concept here would be

traitor + ability for maf to find neighborizer + voyeur is the counter

but thats weak, probably some sort of other way to find out things?

im thinking neighborizers in this setup. we should setup a passphrase if we do get neighborized

[OkaPoka]

Trackers and watchers would be the investigative roles that make the most sense here.

[OkaPoka]

Based on that, I think I should kill creature today.

Because creature has the highest % if he is a investigative pr to use it on me. If its someone else, they are probably checking you tonight and maybe they have been checking you.

[OkaPoka]

except varsoon, but i don't know if reaching that direction is that smart

[OkaPoka]

Or gunsmith would fit here with traitors

[OkaPoka]

kill dann

I'll go with your gut. I'm not good at making decisions.

[OkaPoka]

Dann threatens a reread which could be a massive hindrance or boon. Let's not take a risk on someone who shows a level of competence

[OkaPoka]

If dann isn't a strong pr we may be screwed simply based on mechanics. I'm going to lay low until everyone has posted to see