no deadlines mafia [game over]

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sup nerds

i have finals coming up so expect lower activity than i usually have but i still think it will be enough for this game

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are there any players i should iso first that anyone wants my thoughts on

if not i'll start reading from the beginning once class ends

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Hi I’m here not lurking just V/LA

this self consciousness that it might be interpreted as lurking sort of bothers me

and i v read varsoon outing the neighborhood on the belief that at least one of the people in it is a wolf

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Ok let me put it this way.

I was pinged by Brie's entrance. I continued to observe people to see if anyone else felt the same and it looks like Porkens did.

What makes it towny coming from porkens is the simple naked vote - getting straight down to business and not trying to look overly towny.

Brie's reaction escalated quickly from "it could be a personality thing" to "maybe they're both scum." Under little pressure and with missing logic.

cheeky feels pretty strongly town from this post

havent played with her in a while but i remember her thoughts as villa being like this; the thought process is easy to picture and believe and it's sort of the read i would make on that porkens popin if i didnt know that the slot was town

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fwiw i usually just find hoods nai outside of the rare case of clearing someone in a confirmed hood where everyone else has already flipped scum

lynching inside of that hood is likely a bad idea or just not worth the risk

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profii's case on varsoon in 124 feels off of pretty weak reasoning that i dont really agree with but

there's really strong tangible conviction there? and i dont really make these reads often but i sort of want to lean town on that post off of how much i think he believes his case

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meh all this mechanical tlak that's happening makes it hard to get real alignment reads off of tbh

also im roughly at top of page 6 and sort of uncomfortable with how much mechanical talk varsoon has and the thread presence that comes with it but ive seen like no real sorting/reads off of posts in the game and getting pretty strongly paranoid that it could just be scum skating by past my radar by putting out mechanical role talk that isnt that hard to fake

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fwiw i usually just find hoods nai outside of the rare case of clearing someone in a confirmed hood where everyone else has already flipped scum

lynching inside of that hood is likely a bad idea or just not worth the risk

o you mean exclusively lynching in the hoo or lynching from the hood at all?

exclusively

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Yeah, I don't really think that's an unpopular pinion here and I'm surprised there's a huge backlash to something that no one seems to really want anyhow.

meh i saw it be brought up somewhere and just wanted to say something abotu it just in case because it sounds pretty terrible

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so im basically caught up

it was a quick skim with breaks in between so i prolly missed things but theres a depressingly low amount of exciting things actually happening and all of my thoughts on players are weaker than i'd like

stronger reads that i feel ok with rn are vonflare, cheeky as villagers and pretty uncomfortable with varsoon

VOTE: varsoon

have some iso's that i want to look at later once school is out

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Questions for Varsoon voters. Why does scum!Varsoon out the hood in the first place? Why not encourage all 4 of us, to keep it hiddden?

as i said earlier i think hoods are never-rarely ai

my original reaction was that it was likely villager motivated to out it with the reasons he used, but sort of decided it wouldnt really be hard to fake at all as wolf

it still slightly? holds me back but im comfortable voting him rn

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nancy can you talk more about your v reads on me and cheeky

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I haven't played with sheep in a long time. Last I remember he wasn't quite this analytical but I'll brush that off until I'm clearer on his intent.

long is an understatement

i do sort of like you making this read though because it's what i'd expect you to think of my posting so far

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i feel pretty confident with my trust in cheeky/nancy drew rn

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looking at postcounts this game, gamma and varsson lead substantially yet (acknowledging that i rushed my read and prolly glossed over quite a bit) i remember no real solving content from either of them which is a pretty good simplification of my varsoon w read

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that doesnt actually confirm multiball in any way?

it's very technical but that could be translated as "members of any potentially existing opposing factions"

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going to make this disgusting read but cheeky is 95% angleshot town after that exchange

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that doesnt actually confirm multiball in any way?

it's very technical but that could be translated as "members of any potentially existing opposing factions"

I'd be surprised if a game this size didn't at least have 3 factions in it even if it's just Scum v Town v 3p.

some 80 player mashes have one main scumteam

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But someone asked..? Want me to just be mysterious instead

Well that's the point. You usually are iirc.

can you go more into depth about this read on him being less clear

preferably with examples

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i'd just find it helpful if you tried to help me see what you were thinking about kokichi there because i have almost no meta information about that slot

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i fairly strongly villa read the way kokichi reacted to that though

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i dditn have the time i was planning to put in to the game so most of my reads are surface level pre iso subject to change but

sheep, cheeky, nancy drew, kokichi, wisdom are all varying degrees of somewhat confidnet villagers

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who tf is jaylow

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why is a 1 poster being wagoned

can you two talk about your votes there

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id prolly easily fool sheep as scum

also wisdom prolly doesnt just respond to my v read on him like that as wolf

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Is he too aggressive for you?

THIS WAS THE OTHER SLOT THAT I WAS W READING AND FORGOT I REMEMBER NOW

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Thanks.


BUT WHY, SHEEP, WHY AM I A WOLF TO YOU?

throughout reading i sort of watched you pop in a few times and feel fairly relaxed in thread and interacting with people but like

posting very surface level and it didnt feel like there was really any solving going on? and usually when i have these reads i conclude that that type of iso is twtbw but it doesnt really cross that line for me

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that doesnt actually confirm multiball in any way?

it's very technical but that could be translated as "members of any potentially existing opposing factions"

You do realise that things like Serial killer are 1 man factions right?

this feels like an unhelpful conversation ot have rn anywayas but

yeah i do, and i dont see why this matters?

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meh i disagree with nancy's reasons on jaylow

i can see where youre coming from but it feels a lot more just like an activity problem

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so the imminent truth is that i have to try to read wagonomics later which is going to be aids

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@wagonomics

why do you have yourself at 130

can you explain your varsoon/party boat/vax reads

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Why Leo over Jay? I could really lynch Jay.

youve literally never talked about them

at least try harder to sell me on a 1 poster


it's pretty hard to have read leo's iso and prefer a 1 poster as a lynch

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varsoon's heavily slacked off since game start tbh

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varsoon's heavily slacked off since game start tbh

or since the wagon on him emerged

i'd prefer either of him or leo lynch today by a wide margin

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there's an immensely overwhelming amount of support for this wagon which actually concerns me by quite a significant amount

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meh im reading up and leo's posts still feel sort of panicky/tryign to force something out to hopefully survie this day phase



i still just cant really put away the concern that this wagon suddenly appeared in like the span of a page and the varsoon wagon totally disappeared

sort of want other peoples thoughts on what they think that means if that wasnt a topic of discussion while i was gone

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What concerns you about sheep? I've not looked at his meta, but the one thing I noticed is his reads don't seem the best. Not terrible, but not great. Shorter posts, tending towards short observations, and subtly attempting to stop wagons.

@thebrie have you made a conclusion based off of these observations you have? i cant actually tell what read you have here

also can you talk about which reads in particular

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While here's something I noticed, because I'm thinking along those lines myself now. You picked up on Gamma Emerald (At least I think that's who you mean by Gamma), not actually being very solvey. What's your opinion on him now?

i honestly have no opinion on almost everyone who hasnt really had a noticeable impact on the game to me (not offense intended)

it's mostly a result of ive only been able to really skim the thread and not go back and read things or iso at least until finals are over for me next week

i still have that thought that i dont remember anything from him but he has a decent amount of posts which i would usually find wolfy, but i think that about a lot of slots in the game rn

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Sheep, you’ve been agreeing with Varsoon’s stance wrt the hood. I really don’t understand how he is your biggest scumread?

a) my read on him has nothing to do with agreeing on the hood

if you read my posting on him or open my iso and command f, it shouldnt be hard at all to see where im coming from or trace my progression clearly which should be a pretty sufficient summary from what i remember that i posted while reading his posting

this is a simplified compilation of things ive essentially talked about at points, but

look for like, actual reads or sorting from varsoon
not mechanical talk, but actual reads

anyone who townreads him is essentially letting him slip by off of his mechanics talk, and i originally townread? it but it's not hard to fake at all once i think more about it

and when you read more deeply into his mechanics stuff it's basically just "oh here's the neighborhood, i outed because i think there's a wolf in here i think, actually, there's a chance that there arent any wolves here and here's the probability and here are 20 reasons why" or smtg which is basically just useless and i cant even tell what he's supposed to be trying to say so no i dont see a stance to agree on

wagonomics ish talk below

b) i want to note for clarity that he might not even be my current scumread rn as im switching back and forth between leodanny and varsoon

but in terms of general stuff thats happened leodanny is like a varsoon 2.0 of this game

i scumread them off a similar premis where they were posting a lot and had a pretty noticable thread presence but after a more in depth look no content or solving
a wagon suddenly appeared on them after i tried pushing my uncomfort there for a bit, and soon they were really high up in votes
that original high posting high impact at point 1 is gone and they immediately drop in activity/wim/confidence and panic and go into posting to try to survive mode

the leodanny wagon is great and i support it, but varsoon was pressured, he responded terribly, and the pressure just went away and i think it's very important and am officially asking that some of the peopel who were originally on his wagon and ditched to at least maintain some of that pressure

(also while on the topic of wagons, the way his wagon just disappeared when another started emerging is nagl imo)

c) also if there's anything that stops me from just totally trusting you/putting you in the town core it's your unwavering defense and confidence in varsoon? like his wagon has been a prominent thing and youre arguing against it without budging and i'd expect you to at least reconsider or be somewhat paranoid or have at least some doubt with the amount of reasons that are being put forth against him because the basis for your defense on him is fairly weak from what ive read and if he flips wolf i turn straight to you

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villagers

sheep (39)
cheeky(58)
nancy drew(65)
wisdom(17)/kokichi(29)/brie(23)

wolves

varsoon(43)/leo(47)


i might be missing some people but these are the stronger ones off the top of my head

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^Why did you list the post count for each person?

it's just a habit for me; sometimes peopels postcounts affect my read on them and sometimes it helps me notice things like if all of my wolfreads have almost no posts or way more than my townreads then somethings usually wrong

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If I am somehow wrong about Varsoon, how does that make me wolf?

even if varsoon is villa, i dont feel comfortable with how consistently confident you were that he was villa off of such little reasoning despite such a large wagon and so many things being said against him

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i scumread them off a similar premis where they were posting a lot and had a pretty noticable thread presence but after a more in depth look no content or solving
a wagon suddenly appeared on them after i tried pushing my uncomfort there for a bit, and soon they were really high up in votes
that original high posting high impact at point 1 is gone and they immediately drop in activity/wim/confidence and panic and go into posting to try to survive mode

this is the textbook wolf response to pressure when theyre getting by with a majority being comfortable/v reading them until a wagon suddenly appears

and it's exactly what varsoon did

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@purr why do you think that

@hebi can you go more into depth about what you thought was panicky?


because i might be biased? but both of your two takes are like the opposite of what i'd expect someone to see there

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Maybe it's just how I read your grammar.

But why would you phrase it as "What I'd expect someone to see there" and not "What my intent was?"

because i can say something some way, it could be perceived differently, and i would probably not scumread for it

but im just struggling to see how someone else objectively would get that thought and your answer is pretty deficient

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anyway i read the leo game that was linked earlier where he was town and there's some? small semblance of his not always on topic posts but in comparison to this game there's way more real pure wanting to solve/genuine interest in solving

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=77673

read his iso here alongside that one (a town game) for anyone who is still skeptical about leo being scum

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and a fast d1 is definitely better imo


i think towns consistently tend to start strong and sort of drop off and the day phase will just drag on/be easy for scum to take over and influence if it goes on too long

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this thread has definitely slowed down by a concerning amount yeah



can i have other peoples thoughts on hebi? my recent interaction made with them made me feel pretty uncomfortable with them and realize that theyve sort of just been unconsciously not in my radar so far but i feel like i might be a bit confbiased here

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530 was pretty scummy tbh. Why wouldn't town lynch scum just because they're newbscum?

Didn’t she say, “no reason not to kill it then”?

I guess you're right... but then she votes sheep? Her actions and words seem to be doing two different things.

thats actually a good point

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meh i had some short second thoughts on cheeky last night for a bit but by now im pretty sure again that both of her and nancy are always town here

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L-2 already? That's not what this game is about guys!

no deadlines caters to scum
it's optimal to lynch fast on d1

this

honestly i would be fine with leo being hammered here at this point

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i sort of feel biased towards townreading brie as the only one who's supporting what im saying about varsoon

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So who is everyone's top scumreads

varsoon, leo, sort of hebi loosely following behind

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the varsoon wagon was still a large thing earlier, i never saw anything or any reasons supporting the fact that it just disappeared, and ive argued multiple timesi for another wagon and it's just been ignored


the resistance to wagoning varsoon is so tangible

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i also just want to lynch him every time he has a wolfy popin and popout like that

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is it just me or does leo wagon feel too easy? it's like everyone in the thread rn agrees on it and he feels like newbie lynchbait. also sounds kinda genuine recently past his obvious tonal wakwardness.

VOTE: gemerald is where i lean so far, i feel like his iso is like trying to produce content to the point where it's not immediately obvious that he isn't, and he definitely has a lot of posts, but most of them feel more like posts for the sake of posting than anything else, like the exchange about cheeky being right about porkens; don't get what that was meant to accomplish and honestly most of his posts don't feel like scumhunting at all, the exception being his recent push on Leo where he first opposes it but then switches and sticks to the anti-leo position hard?

wagonomics account is great honestly and has me pocketed

this post mindmelds with me with every part of it

first part was my first reaction when the wagon on leo suddenly emerged (idrt it's alignment indicative now though)?

gemma is like the one outside of varsoon/leo who was in that category of people i generally disliked for that exact reasoning

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So who is everyone's top scumreads

varsoon, leo, sort of hebi loosely following behind

Hebi is very likely town here.

can you explain your reads on varsoon/hebi or try to sell me harder?


i have you as strong town but our reads in a lot of places are pretty opposite

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fuck i want to townread leo now

help

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this isnt the only thign i just realized but


question for everyone

why does he willingly ask whether he should claim this early as scum

the case that he has some role that comes with a really good fakeclaim that he wants to use to get the wagon off exists but i still dont really think that feels like what happened here

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i wouldnt make that read on a more experienced player fwiw

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Should I claim now, or at L-1?

If you have a claim, better do it ASAP. Why would you want to give scum a chance to hammer?

no stop


dont claim yet i want time for other people to post first and for me to wallpost about some thoughts on your slot

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ive sort of felt that the thread has been mostly dominated by villagers so far


everyone as a whole has been slacking off steadily since the start, but sort by postcount is prolly going to be useful later

nancy drew(78)

gamma(69)

??

cheeky(64)

sheep(60)

leo(49)

??

varsoon(44)

kokichi(30)
profii(28)

hebi(26)

brie(24)
wisdom(21)

party boat(16)
singleton(14)
wagonomics(10)
vax(9)

purrcocet(9)
vonflare(7)
overki11(6)
xtoxm(6)

ausuka(5)

theta(4)
edo(4)
jaylow(1)
light(0)

the one thing that stands out to me is that gamma

still

has so many posts and i remember nothing from him

he doesnt fall into the group of people who support the fact that i think this is a villager-run thread because i rememmber nothing from him but like


this is subject to change when i read his iso and remember something from him

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As for Hebi, she isn’t playing any differently this game, then in every towngame, I’ve played with her in. In the one game she was scum in, she made a suspicious naked vote on a scum partner, which seemed to come out of the blue.

hopefully im not asking too much, but i dont have any real meta knowledge with hebi; can you link a past game and talk about it so i have a better idea of what youre saying?

i cant really agree with you on any of your meta reads rn so i legitimately think that would be really beneficial

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VOTE: hebichan

meh

testing some waters

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if youre not giving me a chance to gauge peoples reactions first which is heavily antitown on multiple levels, i dont have anything to wallpost on but i am rescinding my v read on you

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unless you have a specific type of claim that im looking for i sorta just want you hammered regardless of what you claim at this opint

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if i vote this im not hammering right

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VOTE: leo


meh

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you claimed in the scummiest way possible

it's not a village pr who's claiming because he need to

it's not a village pr who gives the slightest fuck about whether mafia find out that theyre a decent pr

you did that exactly how i used to fakeclaim when it was necessary as wolf in theme games; you said that like youre trying to present it to people hoping that theyll see it as town

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He's not sorting

if we're being honest im the last player you can say that about if you read any recent part of the thread

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Resistance-tell is bad
If you vote for a global townread and then go "AW MAN HOWCOME NO ONE ELSE IS VOTE THERE, SUCH RESISTANCE, SO SCUM" you're probably just wrong.
You need to analyze WHY there was resistance to the wagon. Who was on the wagon? Who was off? Who protested it? Who voted elsewhere? What events were responsible for shifting the game momentum away?
Once you grasp at that, you'll be a much better and thorough player.

are you going to do some solving maybe the next time you popin

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it depends on the type of resistance

if youre a consensus townread im never going to wolfread you for not having a wagon on you if i push you


you were literally a huge wagon for a while and no one's said anything about you or acknowledged that they just dropped disliking you since

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you write a lot of shit
and i read some of it sometimes


but this is exactly what im talking about

you claimed in the scummiest way possible

it's not a village pr who's claiming because he need to

it's not a village pr who gives the slightest fuck about whether mafia find out that theyre a decent pr

you did that exactly how i used to fakeclaim when it was necessary as wolf in theme games; you said that like youre trying to present it to people hoping that theyll see it as town

He was at L-2 as we were flash lynching him
What the fuck is any of this? Lmao

i dont see your problem with that? that's my reaction to his claim and your attempt to shade me for saying im not solving is still bullshit

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meh i dont really get the feel from his posting that it was being intentionally non nky


it just still feels heavily like someone who doesnt know how to approach a large game as wolf

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you claimed in the scummiest way possible

it's not a village pr who's claiming because he need to

(he was... about to die?)

it's not a village pr who gives the slightest fuck about whether mafia find out that theyre a decent pr

(he was... about to die?)

he was at l2 and first brought up "im going to claim", i told him he didnt need to claim and i asked him to please not claim and he was just like nope

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im still paranoid that nancy is pocketing me even though i dont have any real reason to believe it asdf

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@leo did you or did you not adjust your play this game due to you being a power role

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UNVOTE:

yeah im super lost on that slot rn

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VOTE: varsoon

meh

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VOTE: varsoon

meh

Sell me!

just actually read myw all or my iso; im not repeating for the tenth time

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overkill feels super disconnected from the thread and idk what to think abotu it yet

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It’s okay if they unvote with a reason, right?

t h e r e w a s n o r e a s o n i n g w h e n t h e v a r s o o n w a g o n d i s a p p e a r e d

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so im going through gamma iso and like


im thinking of how he had a high post count and nothing that i remembered but it's not really wolfy in the way that forgettable-post players usually are and i dont actually know how i just glossed over everything he said? forget that part

im not actually uncomfortable with him anymore; gun to my head he's town but i cant really tell yet

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and sheep votes like mafia

can you go more inot depth about why you think this





also i did a hebi meta dive and
they definitely get lynched as villa a lot

they have the same overall feel as villa in how theyre generally petty relaxed/natural in thread without really caring about how theyre read

i still dislike a couple of individual specific posts in this game and i havent found any wolf games to compare to so i dont know to what degree she's aboe to replicate this but it's still a decent look and i wanted to update on that because i might not be able to read a wolf game for a while

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meh what i liked about hebi feels more nai and apparent in her wolf gametoo

im still somewhat lean w on that slot

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i think she's kinda more interactive/active as villa but not something i think is backed up enough that i'd push as a meta reason

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can one of you link that game being referenced

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meh what i liked about hebi feels more nai and apparent in her wolf gametoo

im still somewhat lean w on that slot

She seems to be pretty genuine here. You disagree?

not really and i think she can replicate the feel she has here very easily as wolf

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Also sheep is tunneling me and it’s concerning

why do you dislike it?

also how am i tunneling you if i unvoted

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honestly i could prolly vote leo though again after how unreasonably hard it's been to try to get him to post decent content idk

it feels more like wolf who's just trying to last as long as he can but

i keep flipping back and forth on him which is more or less why im on varsoon instead because he's been a more consistent w read the entire game

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Also sheep is tunneling me and it’s concerning

why do you dislike it?

also how am i tunneling you if i unvoted

Yeah but you still scumread me and stuff

why do you dislike that?

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at this point i think i would switch to leo at any point if varsoon lynch isnt happening

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tbh if leo is v he at least gets easier to sort down the line? while varsoon is blatantly just not going to do anything

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VOTE: leo

i guess

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sheep
nancy drew
cheeky

ausuka
profii
wisdom
purrocet
brie
kokichi

vonflare
jaylow
wagonomics
edo
xtoxm
theta
singleton
lightgan
party boat
vax
gamma

overkill
hebi

leo
varsoon

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my reads are actuallly somewhat concerningly more steady than usual


ie im too confident in my reads which makes me less confident in them

if that makes sense

because it doesnt even really to me

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Why is Jaylow so high on your list?

thats the null pile

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Hi I’m here not lurking just V/LA

this self consciousness that it might be interpreted as lurking sort of bothers me

and i v read varsoon outing the neighborhood on the belief that at least one of the people in it is a wolf

meh all this mechanical tlak that's happening makes it hard to get real alignment reads off of tbh

also im roughly at top of page 6 and sort of uncomfortable with how much mechanical talk varsoon has and the thread presence that comes with it but ive seen like no real sorting/reads off of posts in the game and getting pretty strongly paranoid that it could just be scum skating by past my radar by putting out mechanical role talk that isnt that hard to fake

Questions for Varsoon voters. Why does scum!Varsoon out the hood in the first place? Why not encourage all 4 of us, to keep it hiddden?

as i said earlier i think hoods are never-rarely ai

my original reaction was that it was likely villager motivated to out it with the reasons he used, but sort of decided it wouldnt really be hard to fake at all as wolf

it still slightly? holds me back but im comfortable voting him rn

looking at postcounts this game, gamma and varsson lead substantially yet (acknowledging that i rushed my read and prolly glossed over quite a bit) i remember no real solving content from either of them which is a pretty good simplification of my varsoon w read

varsoon's heavily slacked off since game start tbh

meh im reading up and leo's posts still feel sort of panicky/tryign to force something out to hopefully survie this day phase



i still just cant really put away the concern that this wagon suddenly appeared in like the span of a page and the varsoon wagon totally disappeared

sort of want other peoples thoughts on what they think that means if that wasnt a topic of discussion while i was gone

Sheep, you’ve been agreeing with Varsoon’s stance wrt the hood. I really don’t understand how he is your biggest scumread?

a) my read on him has nothing to do with agreeing on the hood

if you read my posting on him or open my iso and command f, it shouldnt be hard at all to see where im coming from or trace my progression clearly which should be a pretty sufficient summary from what i remember that i posted while reading his posting

this is a simplified compilation of things ive essentially talked about at points, but

look for like, actual reads or sorting from varsoon
not mechanical talk, but actual reads

anyone who townreads him is essentially letting him slip by off of his mechanics talk, and i originally townread? it but it's not hard to fake at all once i think more about it

and when you read more deeply into his mechanics stuff it's basically just "oh here's the neighborhood, i outed because i think there's a wolf in here i think, actually, there's a chance that there arent any wolves here and here's the probability and here are 20 reasons why" or smtg which is basically just useless and i cant even tell what he's supposed to be trying to say so no i dont see a stance to agree on

wagonomics ish talk below

b) i want to note for clarity that he might not even be my current scumread rn as im switching back and forth between leodanny and varsoon

but in terms of general stuff thats happened leodanny is like a varsoon 2.0 of this game

i scumread them off a similar premis where they were posting a lot and had a pretty noticable thread presence but after a more in depth look no content or solving
a wagon suddenly appeared on them after i tried pushing my uncomfort there for a bit, and soon they were really high up in votes
that original high posting high impact at point 1 is gone and they immediately drop in activity/wim/confidence and panic and go into posting to try to survive mode

the leodanny wagon is great and i support it, but varsoon was pressured, he responded terribly, and the pressure just went away and i think it's very important and am officially asking that some of the peopel who were originally on his wagon and ditched to at least maintain some of that pressure

(also while on the topic of wagons, the way his wagon just disappeared when another started emerging is nagl imo)

c) also if there's anything that stops me from just totally trusting you/putting you in the town core it's your unwavering defense and confidence in varsoon? like his wagon has been a prominent thing and youre arguing against it without budging and i'd expect you to at least reconsider or be somewhat paranoid or have at least some doubt with the amount of reasons that are being put forth against him because the basis for your defense on him is fairly weak from what ive read and if he flips wolf i turn straight to you

i scumread them off a similar premis where they were posting a lot and had a pretty noticable thread presence but after a more in depth look no content or solving
a wagon suddenly appeared on them after i tried pushing my uncomfort there for a bit, and soon they were really high up in votes
that original high posting high impact at point 1 is gone and they immediately drop in activity/wim/confidence and panic and go into posting to try to survive mode

this is the textbook wolf response to pressure when theyre getting by with a majority being comfortable/v reading them until a wagon suddenly appears

and it's exactly what varsoon did

the varsoon wagon was still a large thing earlier, i never saw anything or any reasons supporting the fact that it just disappeared, and ive argued multiple timesi for another wagon and it's just been ignored


the resistance to wagoning varsoon is so tangible

tbh if leo is v he at least gets easier to sort down the line? while varsoon is blatantly just not going to do anything

just read this literally what came up when i command f'ed varsoon in my iso

can everyone at least read through this once because it's really frustrating and demoralizing that no one is really acknowledging my tunnel or arguing against anything ive said here except like one person and ive already given them an obligatory townread for doing that

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fucking broken tags

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also slank cover finals are this week and i literally slept like 6 hours in the last 3 days and need my free time ntil friday to study

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(ps b/c I saw that too somewhere wagons 'appearing and dissappearing quickly' in a 24 player game is still a dumb reason for arguing literally anything and i will fight every player in this game about it)

can you explain this more

because i wouldnt be as concerned if a 4 or 5 man wagon suddenly disappeared

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idek abt this game anymore

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and yeah theta's cc is still prolly villa

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can someone pushing kokichi for meta link me a scumgame that they think matches this one because this is not the first time ive seen this brought up and idk anything about kokichi meta

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can someone pushing kokichi for meta link me a scumgame that they think matches this one because this is not the first time ive seen this brought up and idk anything about kokichi meta

The people who've actually played with me as scum dont scumread me. So idk who singleton is unless it's an alt.

singleton is bulletnlynchproof according to their signature

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i like

lost half of my motivation to play after that leo flip though

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pending the meta information but kokichi is one of my strongest town rn

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i kinda wanna v read light's catchup

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VOTE: varsoon

forgot to do this

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too lazy to sort people within alignment groups and barely remember anything from this game at this poitn so i might be missing some things but

sheep, light, kokichi, ausuka, brie, nancy drew, theta villagers
wisdom lean villa
overkill?, hebi, lean wolf
varsoon wolf

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can someone explains why a duplicate role means something in a 24p game

This pinged me of TMI especially if Theta is town

meh i interpreted it as hypothetically asking how much sense a world with a duplicate town role would make?

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mostly caught up

purr not really doing anything while just lazy tunneling me is kinda bad

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trekkie's villager feels like a new player villager sub catchup with how confident he is and stuff

also feels very contrasting to his recently completed wolf game where he was sort of derping/awkward/didnt know what to do https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=77801

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trekkie's villageriness is very strong it prolly overrides my discomfort with overkill

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meh purr's thing about me is actually a valid concern that people who play with me for the first time always have


only bothers me how confident they are in relentlessly repeating that im wolf but on second thought less surface level im not really as frustrated/finding it as wolfy

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individual of who he was tunneling, I found it not hard to buy that kokichis tunnel was genuine

leos posting was very very tunnelable and I was part tunneling him at one point


im ok w/maybe v leaning kokichis tunnel there

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the tunnel is lean v indicative maybe

overall i have kokichi as very strong villager rn

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https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=78097

this finally ended

anyone who thinks trekkie might be wolf here should read this

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trekkie's right a jailkeeper is self resolving

might not be the case if you keep repeating it like that but yeah lynch outside of that at least today

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at least what gammas doing wrt theta

rarely every vote there while varsoon is literally just skating by doing nothing

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at least what gammas doing wrt theta

*makes some sense

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we're not lynching a claimed inno child today

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and people wonder why ms games are balanced at 50% ev

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we're not lynching a fucking jailkeeper claim today

we're not lynching a fucking inno child claim today

end of story or village is throwing

why is this a conversation that even needs to be had

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is a varsoon/xtoxm team too easy

because it feels too obvious but not relaly too obvious to be true idk

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varsoon has given 0 reason for his lazy!tunnel on me which he's had all game and it's disgusting

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jaylow we just have two shit posts and his absence to go off of

varsoon is actively scummy

varsoon > jaylow here

thiss


lol if we lynch a 1 poster d2 when varsoon exists

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varsoon if you believed your tunnel on me you would try to convince people

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lol if the only thing youre ever going to do in this game is tunnel me for that after 1200 posts

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Resistance-tell is bad
If you vote for a global townread and then go "AW MAN HOWCOME NO ONE ELSE IS VOTE THERE, SUCH RESISTANCE, SO SCUM" you're probably just wrong.
You need to analyze WHY there was resistance to the wagon. Who was on the wagon? Who was off? Who protested it? Who voted elsewhere? What events were responsible for shifting the game momentum away?
Once you grasp at that, you'll be a much better and thorough player.

If anything, the flagrant resistance to your wagon is notable.

literally your own words back at you

you cant be wagoned but no one v reads you

no one

learn to realize that your tunnel is fucking obvious town and everyone else can see that

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lol

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you have 5 minutes to rescind if this is a shitty fps

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lynch me if it proves that varsoon and xtoxm are always wolves here

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you sniped me with what i was about to say lol

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xtoxm and varsoon's play here drained half of my fucking wim

theyre wolves or villagers whose play means the entire village deserves to lose

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mechanically i should get lynched here because a guilty was claimed on me

but trying to be modest here the fucking gamestate is doomed when im top posting and varsoon and xtoxm are literally in top poster range and no one else is ever here

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I can't believe that Varsoon is a cop with a guilty, taking into account that he was voting Kokichi earlier and he's said things that no person with a guilty should say, such as what Party pointed out (i would've quoted it but party ninja'd me lol). Sheep wasn't even his first vote of the day? However I also don't see why scum would do it so it might also be town faking a guilty?

varsoon was about to be lynched

he's saving his own ass in the most benefiting scum for after he gets lynched tomorrow or vigged way

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the worst part is that varsoons 50 non-cop-perspective posts can just be sold as cover to avoid kill

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Ergo the hood.
I actually forgot the hood.
Hm.
Maybe the point of this role was to out my results there?
Man I fucked up.

lol

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im vanilla im fine benig lynched if the flip means varsoon and xtoxm are lynched consecutively after

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I think your reasoning for replacing out is kinda towny

what the fuck

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is it an ms thing to make reads on players subbing out

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well i had 50 things i wanted to ask varsoon thanks for taking whatever motivation to play was left after that fps

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varsoon is still wolf btw

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UNVOTE: for now.

it was a shitty fps which ended in me having to claim

still pissed

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dont
make
reads
on
subs

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this day should prolly start coming to a close rly soon

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why? we are waiting for a replacement and there is no rush. This games name is no deadlines....

it's just dragging on


literally every single players posting has decreased massively because of fatigue

also varsoon slot should always be the lynch today but outside of that the only thing this village really needs right now is flips

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gamma wagon is a big nah but would lynch with 4 people disliking that slot rather than a 2 poster

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realistically over a 2 poster yes


it's the obvious choice as someones who's been under constant heat the entire game and needs to be resolved at some point

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I could see Sheep scum.

Hey, sheep, remember Magical Stories Mafia? You were my buddy there. You’re similar here.

Thoughts?

i honestly think your posting rn is kinda scum!you but

wrt me self meta view might be biased but idt my scumgame or towngame would be similar to that game here with how much my playstyle has changed sincen then

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im not unvoting

no ones hammering yet try to clear yourself if you want

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im super pocketed by aprty boat rn

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flavor's posting is terrible


it's painfully wolfy how much emphasis he puts on the fact that he should be townread

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your analysis is ~nai idt anything outside of your scumrange

the only thing that stands out is your ratio of content to worrying about wolfreads on you and it really bothers me idk



also ive been constantly reevaluating/evaluating other players (just nothings changed wrt your slot yet) but when you talk about a crappy loltunnel and not doing anything else your literally just describing your predecessor's play

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dude if nothing in your villa game is outside of your scumrange then you should literally jsut never be villa read

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ive never said anything about not doing anything


ive acknowledged multiple times that youre doing things outside of talking about the votes on you i just dont find it ai

the only time ive said anything like "not doing anything else" is abt varsoon

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sidenote last game we played together before my ban all i did was lazy tunnel you and you were wolf so i do feel pretty confident in my ability to read you

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you cant assume that if my read doesnt change that means i'll never reconsider my read that's bullshit

i dont post every thought i have


i'll respond to a case if anyone cares about it
i havent seen anything agianst me that isnt crap

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if you want actual tunneling look at xtoxm

all he's posting is about me and it's blatant confbias to where ive actually accepted that it could be genuine but will be relaly pissed if it is

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i wasnt your w partner


it's the game where mulch was lost wolf chara was roelcop and hawk was confirmed miller and you got gamma to vote him in lylo

half a year ago or smtg

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sheep is scum because he's posturing. he's done a ton of it in this game
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p10639320
on D1 he didn't care about this, he wanted to lynch the JK claim. he was eager for it, even before the 2nd claim came out
this post is fake, its posturing for towncred. because its diametrically opposed to his behaviour on d1.
this is the extent of the effort im going to put into explaining my read on him but this isnt the only time hes done this
scum make fake posts.
sheep is scum.

i think youre referring to this

my defense of kokichi is for the claim because it's an inno child claim not a jailkeeper claim

i wolfread the way leo claimed and villa read the way theta claimed and my defense for theta as a jailkeeper claim isnt actually for supposedly being a jailkeeper

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you cant assume that if my read doesnt change that means i'll never reconsider my read that's bullshit

i dont post every thought i have

also i honestly dont know what you can do after you literally just said nothing is out of your scumrange

just know that when i tunnel it's conscious and i really dont think i currently and im acknowledging that you can be town; dont worry about what im thinking about your slot and do your own thing and if youre vilalger it will prolly just show

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im like 95% sure that xtoxm/leaf are wolves rn though


individually both scummy but associations look terribly w/w esp with varsoon

honestly it feels correct for the lynch today to be inside us 3

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im like 95% sure that xtoxm/leaf are wolves rn though


individually both scummy but associations look terribly w/w esp with varsoon

honestly it feels correct for the lynch today to be inside us 3

In what world do Varsoon/Xtoxm act the way they do together as W/W.

That’s scum you trying to connect multiple of us together to set up a multiple mislynch path.

You are bringing up Xtoxm now as a scape goat to get the Sheep vs Flavor relief.

ive been pushing xtoxm/varsoon for a while

the cohesion between the two was out of nowhere but super apparent and it felt like they were two different slots but acting like a hydra and very unnatural

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i wouldnt be scared of you if i was wolf lol

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purr do you want to try talking abotu people who arent me

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flavor why do you read nancy and i as separate alignments

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Jingle replaces Edosurist. searching for replacements for Jaylow7, hebichan, Theta Alpine, Xtoxm, and Nancy Drew 39.

this is actual fuckign aids

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also after flavor's self vote im basically going to tunnel this slot to flip

yes im acknowledgly going to tunnel try pushing that if you want

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someone give me a reason to care rn

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someone give me a reason to care rn

This feels fake considering how sheep reacted to the case on him.

those past two pages are some of the most aids ive ever seen

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what am i supposed to do


im done pretending i shouldnt have subbed out weeks ago

more than half the game and i clearly and rightfully do not want to play right now

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someone needs to be majed

i would be wiliing to maj myself right now and it would help the gamestate

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nancy

dude

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SoonLeaf: Anyone scumreading this slot, explain to me the scum motivation behind fakeclaiming cop early game in presumed multiball. Alternatively, link me to a case that isn't "Varsoon wasn't efforting"/"Flavor Leaf has a big scum range."

it was clearly fps from the start

the rescind was terrible

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Sorry for constant prodging, I can't really get into this game

thats not your fault

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gamma can die over vax

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gamma's claim doesnt move me

also yeah nancy is dropping heavily for me

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will vote gamma if im sure flavor lynch isnt happening

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gamma's claim sells me more on him being wolf

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gamma's right that he's counterclaiming theta

he's wrong that theta can possibly be wolf here

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gamma's right that he's counterclaiming theta

he's wrong that theta can possibly be wolf here

You’re either scum or brain dead. WHAT MAKES MORE SENSE, JK PLUS RB OR A DUPLICATE ROLE?
VOTE: sheepsaysmeep
You’re so blatantly and irrevocably off-base you get to die first.

two town jailkeepers makes an ounce less sense than but both make sense


maybe if youre not just generalizing having two power roles in a game jk + jk might actually be more likely than jk + rber

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i could vote light

what the fuck are your two slots trying to do to the game

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I will be making FULL use of the lack of deadline.

im not letting this happen

no deadline is the most effectively antitown mecahnic ive played against


lynch someone soon and preferably not a flavor/xtoxm duo led wagon (if that happens the lynch is literally determined by when it happens -> who they last rnged onto)

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those two and i have literal opposite reads and fucking lol this game if it's v/v/v

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yeh this is really unrecognizable compared to the game where mastina just wolfed with me

pretty confident on her being villa rn

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i fucking hate both of these wagons but i agree more than anyone else that we need a lynch asap wtf

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VOTE: saudade

i dislike an ausuka lynch because she has villagery content and saudade because he's just a null lurker but is in everyones poe anyway shrug

l-2

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i mindmelded with that slot so much on almost all her posts early game

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what in the fucking world

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we're lynching someone within 24 hours and i give 0 fucks about who that is at this point

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we're lynching someone within 24 hours and i give 0 fucks about who that is at this point

he says as he remembers how shitty every single wagon has been recently

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this feels a lot like town!dann already even from the first post alone (i did a meta dive on him in the trekkie game leaned earlier ps trekkie is still villa)

and i'd honestly expect him to have that type of w read on me with the meta information he has

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hi im here

doing homework but ama and i might get to it

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mastina is so painfully villager

this game is depressing

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[unv][/unv]

i forgot

i need a fucking votecount

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UNVOTE:

anyway dann's tunnel on me i still think is really villager

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you telling me 40 longest wallposts ive seen can be nai is lol

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votecount 2.17

8 players voting for mastina (Xtoxm, Flavor Leaf, Purrcocet, Nancy Drew 39, Trekkie99, Ausuka, Dannflor, Gamma Emerald)
6 players voting for Ausuka (Jingle, Jingle, Jingle, Wisdom, singletonking, Vaxkiller)
4 players voting for Dannflor (mastina, vonflare, Kokichi Oma, light_ganski,)
1 on vonflare (Wagonomics,)
1 on vax (TheBrie, )

1 player not voting ( Party Boat, Enter, sheepsaysmeep,)

with 23 votes, it takes 12 to lynch.

mod notes: Saudade has been replaced by Dannflor!

updated VC. You're welcome, xyzzy

Updated again.

i want to go die