no deadlines mafia [game over]

[Nancy Drew 39]

Woah woah guys these votes
We have no deadlines
What's the rush?

Also, I'm in a PT with Party Boat, Xtoxm, and Nancy Drew 39.
This PT began before gamestart.
We've currently got about 15 posts in there.
It's fairly chill.
That's all I wanted to say.

I assume its a neighbour chat rather than a manson one?

Lol, I think you mean, “mason”. Yeah, I doubt Varsoon outs a masonry, I know I wouldn’t.

[Nancy Drew 39]

That big? There's no way its a masonry.

Guessing nothing stood out to you pregame in there either.

Interesting.

You mean, “reads”? I think it’s too soon to tell but Varsoon and me had a fruitful discussion about how scum!Random was able to successfully pocket me in Labrynth, through our PT.

[Nancy Drew 39]

<--- this is my trust face.

I've never been in a neighborhood :'(

Spoiler:

[Nancy Drew 39]

I think the game I played took 21 days so about 2/3rds of the allotted time and that was a 13p.

Whilst I am "getting on with it" right now. I will be strongly advocating a policy lynch if some lurkers emerge by say Friday.

Policy lynching lurkers on D1?

In Labrynth I lurked until 10 days into D1.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I am

Ausuka, koki, Vonflare are also here.

Idk, I think we have a lot of players to get through in a month. Maybe multiball will knock the numbers down to balance things out

What makes you think this is multiball?

[Nancy Drew 39]

I'm liable to believe that at least one of the four people in my PT is scum, which is why I decided to out the PT in the first place.
That said, it's a fallacy to assume that the same ratio of town to scum in the main thread applies to any PT, so I'd prefer we didn't hunt out of that PT group.

VOTE: Profii

disregard my badness

VOTE: Xtoxm

Reasons?

[Nancy Drew 39]

Good job. Why are u vote the xtoxm?

his one post here and posts in the neighborhood are very boring and I think they are slightly more likely to be scum than average posts

Maybe but I place more importance on content. Scum can successfully discuss anything non-game related and be interesting but they would have alot more trouble say, having a discussion on how to not get pocketed and fake that well.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Profii supports lynching one of (((us))))

Woah woah guys these votes
We have no deadlines
What's the rush?

Also, I'm in a PT with Party Boat, Xtoxm, and Nancy Drew 39.
This PT began before gamestart.
We've currently got about 15 posts in there.
It's fairly chill.
That's all I wanted to say.

I was in a mafia month game and I was the scum in the neighbourhood.

VOTE: Party Boat

I dislike this logic. Just because you infiltrated a community in the past does not mean someone is automatically infiltrating that community.

It was less about my infiltrating anything and more about the same mod doing the same mafia month thing

if it was up to me we'd have a 3rd page lynch to get things rolling as this is a timed game and when I was scum last time I was actively being like 'oh I'll do that analysis this weekend' etc to slow people down.

The problem with this vote, is you don’t know who is scum and/or what possible value they may have to town. Don’t you think, you should try a little sorting before you possibly mislynch?

[Nancy Drew 39]

Porkens can be town too.

no

why would you think this

Our wavelengths are on point.

Based on?

[Nancy Drew 39]

Porkens can be town too.

no

why would you think this

Our wavelengths are on point.

That could just mean you have similar personalities. Or maybe you're both scum but on different teams. Or on the same team, and trying to mislead us.

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

Wagonomics, why?

Long time no see, dear warrior! I look forward to fighting alongside all my allies and exterminating our enemies. To battle!
VOTE: wagonomics
No room for logic on the battlefield!

Okay, we can be allies then. I might even unvote you at some point. It's nice to be back for one game.

I am

Ausuka, koki, Vonflare are also here.

Idk, I think we have a lot of players to get through in a month. Maybe multiball will knock the numbers down to balance things out

What makes you think this is multiball?

Past experience with other games Xyzzy has run with this flavour indicates Multiball is likely. I don't expect this to be particularly similar as it is just flavour, but we've got 24 players, so I highly doubt it isn't multiball. Also, the sample PM says factions plural.

(I'm not sure we had plain townies in the other Echo Bay game. More evidence this game is nothing like it.)

Okay thanks. This is my first Xyzzy game. I’m still kicking myself from not /inning in TAZ instead of CoH.

But I think there’s only one neighbourhood, since it didn’t have any distinguishing name, to indicate more.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Nancy, Check post 54 for an explanation of the xtoxm vote.

Thanks, yeah I saw it.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Porkens can be town too.

no

why would you think this

Our wavelengths are on point.

Based on?

His vote on Brie. What do you think of her reaction?

Brie? It might be a bit of an overreaction but I was surprised you thought she could be town, just based on one vote, since scum can distance too. You shouldn’t assume you and Porkens are on the same wavelength, solely based on this.

[Nancy Drew 39]

votecount 1.04

2 players voting for Wagonomics (CheekyTeeky, Gamma Emerald)
2 players voting for profii (Ausuka, Varsoon)
1 player voting for Vaxkiller (Wagonomics)
1 player voting for Gamma Emerald (TheBrie)
1 player voting for Party Boat (profii)
1 player voting for Xtoxm (Party Boat)
1 player voting for TheBrie (Porkens)

15 players not voting (Kokichi Oma, Vaxkiller, Hebichan, 0verki11, singletonking, Theta Alpine, light_ganski, Purrcocet, Wisdom, Xtoxm, Edosurist, Leodanny, Jaylow7, vonflare, Nancy Drew 39)

with 24 votes, it takes 13 to lynch.

mod notes: (this votecount is identical to the last one, but I'm posting it so that there's a new post with a votecount.) if you have not confirmed yet by providing the information listed in rule 9, please do so promptly. I don't know how many people haven't done that yet but I'll send out reminder PMs to anyone who hasn't done that probably tomorrow.

I’m confused. I thought PB was a Gamma alt.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Hes gammagooey, not gamma emerald

Oh, I was wondering.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Note to self: Don't make jokes, because they're never understood.

No no, lynch all the serious people

Make MafiaScum funny again!

We could probably put that on a baseball cap

Someone should mod a game, where everything save the votes, flips and role PMs, are done in memes.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Hes gammagooey, not gamma emerald

Oh, I was wondering.

Everyone makes that mistake smh
I might have to play on another account for games with gooey to avoid confusion

I thought you were in our hood until now.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Note to self: Don't make jokes, because they're never understood.

No no, lynch all the serious people

Make MafiaScum funny again!

We could probably put that on a baseball cap

Someone should mod a game, where everything save the votes, flips and role PMs, are done in memes.

Better yet, make even those memes

yea, no half measures in this great game!

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... B%5D=16832

[Nancy Drew 39]

Nancy, you have to be scum one of these games in our history together. Is this finally the one?

Nope, I was scum in Heroes Wanted. Have you forgotten about that?

[Nancy Drew 39]

Nancy, you have to be scum one of these games in our history together. Is this finally the one?

Nope, I was scum in Heroes Wanted. Have you forgotten about that?

Oh and Halloween Dance, so that makes 2 games we’ve played together where I’ve been scum.

Like, how are you forgetting about those 2 games?

So, I’ll turn it around on you. Are you scum here, Kokichi?

[Nancy Drew 39]

Why wouldn't it seem like clutching at threads? I literally am as there's nothing else to go off.

Eh, true. At least you were doing something. I was stringing random stuff together without even a thread, and looking like I had conclusions.

Starting a spreadsheet now to keep track of read. Cheeky is Town. What his name who voted me hasn't done enough to be read, and I'll sort everyone else as i feel like it, and whe

The trouble with my jokes, is that people tend to take them seriously. I could try telling real jokes, that are irrelevant to the game, but there's no point in that. So I'll do random Christmas lyrics instead. Which reminds me that I did have posts on page 2 as well which what his name could have read. I don't suppose that was what pinged Cheeky. Because I'm sure my first post was non-pingy. I didn't say enough to be pingy.

Joyful, all ye nations rise
Join the triumph of the skies

Porkens and she’s one of the easiest players to sort on the site.

[Nancy Drew 39]

yes, sheep me. all vote varsoon.

No, I think Varsoon is town here. He’s in MY hood, remember?

[Nancy Drew 39]

Hey sheep.

I think Cheeky, sheep are town.

[Nancy Drew 39]

yes, sheep me. all vote varsoon.

No, I think Varsoon is town here. He’s in MY hood, remember?

I was talking to him about how in Labrynth, scum!Random tricked me in our PT, and I have trouble seeing how Varsoon’s reaction to it comes from scum.

He was basically explaining to me, how scum!Random fooled me. I got a pretty good vibe from that.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Varsoon feels like noncaring town. Bad wagon.

+1

Tone-wise, he seems genuine. I haven’t picked up anything from him so far, that has pinged me as fake.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Two pages ago I was rather liking Varsoon, but now, not so much. His reasoning for not especially hunting in the hood seemed sounds, to me, the stuff about multiball throwing everything offf... Sure he's allowed to dislike multiball, but I'd think he should know how to scum hunt in multiball by now, so it seems rather stupid what he's saying.

Furthermore, it's PRACTICALLY IMPOSSIBLE to balance against the swing inherit in a multiball setup.
I have NEVER seen it done.

You expected the game to be balanced?


I'm liking sheepsaysmeep.

Oh, and does anyone know what Wagonomics is about? His whole wagon value thing just seems weird. Like he's busy playing his own game of randomness on top of the main game. It doesn't give a read either way, but still weird.

Helpless and hungry, lowly, afraid
Wrapped in the chill of midwinter;
Comes now among us, born into poverty’s embrace,
New life for the world

I’m not opposed to hunting in the hood. I just want to see some real sorting done first. IOW, I don’t want to vote anyone SOLELY for being in the hood. If they’re actually scummy OTOH, I’m good with it.

[Nancy Drew 39]

fwiw i usually just find hoods nai outside of the rare case of clearing someone in a confirmed hood where everyone else has already flipped scum

lynching inside of that hood is likely a bad idea or just not worth the risk

Wasn’t that Varsoon’s point?

[Nancy Drew 39]

sheepsaysmeep replaces Porkens.

YEEET

Oh good, it looks like Cheeky may have been right on Porkens.

Liking Cheeky, sheep and Brie so far I think.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Clearly just trying to protect my own ass, tho.

Profii doesn't even consider my post from a town PoV.
Like
Of course I out the hood--I shouldn't trust it, there COULD be scum there
Of course I don't insist on hunting in the hood--I shouldn't, the same ratios of the game thread ARE NOT mod-confirmed

It's dat simple.

Questions for Varsoon voters. Why does scum!Varsoon out the hood in the first place? Why not encourage all 4 of us, to keep it hiddden?

[Nancy Drew 39]

nancy can you talk more about your v reads on me and cheeky

Both of you are solving and and trying to figure out this game. Cheeky thinking for herself and being leery of a potential mislynch. As for you, I have toneread you correctly in the last X number of games we’ve played. Your tone seems closed off and it’s difficult to engage you as scum. I’m not seeing this here so far.

[Nancy Drew 39]

looking at postcounts this game, gamma and varsson lead substantially yet (acknowledging that i rushed my read and prolly glossed over quite a bit) i remember no real solving content from either of them which is a pretty good simplification of my varsoon w read

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... B%5D=20928

He was very MISsolvey here.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I know why and i remember kokichi being on it
And a guy i don't know

How do you read Kokichi here?

[Nancy Drew 39]

why is a 1 poster being wagoned

can you two talk about your votes there

So this has started...

I will in general be most active on the weekends until the end of the year. The holiday season is always super busy for me.

No real reads yet except one, not much of note has been said beyond the neighborhood claim and recent setup spec discussion, by the same person...

who is the one person I have a solid read on right now.

VOTE: Varsoon

This post seems scummy to me. He first starts off letting us know how busy he is - not generally a good sign but NAI by itself and has a “solid” read on” - after just 1 post? And then, he just conveniently disappears without ever explaining his vote? This is way more likely to come from scum than town, because town prefers to engage and question a bit before throwing down an unexplained vote. It’s a gross vote, no matter how you look at it.

[Nancy Drew 39]

VOTE: sheepsaysmeep

No.

No reason really.

I'm starting to read now.

Could vote here too, this is a bad vote.

Still, less scummy than Jaylow, because it lacks pretentiousness. Scum usually aren’t transparent like this but if the vote doesn’t move or get explained, I would reassess.

[Nancy Drew 39]

sheepsaysmeep replaces Porkens.

YEEET

Oh good, it looks like Cheeky may have been right on Porkens.

Liking Cheeky, sheep and Brie so far I think.

wat

Which part?

[Nancy Drew 39]

VOTE: Jaylow

[Nancy Drew 39]

sheepsaysmeep replaces Porkens.

YEEET

Oh good, it looks like Cheeky may have been right on Porkens.

Liking Cheeky, sheep and Brie so far I think.

wat

Which part?

Cheeky townread Porkens, who was sheep’s predessor and I think sheep is town here.

[Nancy Drew 39]

but sheep hadn't posted then......

No, the point is that Cheeky townread Porkens, who I had a null read on and he was replaced by sheep, who I’m currently townreading. So, Cheeky was likely right on sheep’s predessor - Porkens.

[Nancy Drew 39]

ok he had
but like that's super fast of you and you haven't played with them before, wut

Yes I have, numerous times on MU.

[Nancy Drew 39]

ok he had
but like that's super fast of you and you haven't played with them before, wut

Yes I have, numerous times on MU.

I have correctly read him in the last several games we’ve played together. He is tonally very different as scum, than he is as town.

[Nancy Drew 39]

WAGONS

Gamma Emerald
Kokichi Oma
Vaxkiller
Ausuka
Hebichan
Varsoon
TheBrie
Party Boat
0verki11
singletonking
Theta Alpine
light_ganski
Porkens
Jaylow7
Purrcocet
Wisdom
Xtoxm
Edosurist
Leodanny
vonflare
CheekyTeeky
Nancy Drew 39
Wagonomics
profii

V

A

L

U

E

75
40

175

100

80
50
75
50

100
100
100
100
100
100

75
40

100

75

200

75
50

40

130
125

GammaCoin has lost some of its depreciated VALUE
KokichiCoin has further depreciated in VALUE
VaxKiller continues to gain in VALUE -- I recommend investing NOW before this wagon VALUE gets TOO SPICY
AusukaCoin continues to hold steady
HebiCoin has lost some VALUE
VarsoonCoin continues to DEPRECIATE
TheBrieCoin has regained some VALUE
PartyBoatCoin continues to DEPRECIATE
0verki11Coin, SingleCoin, ThetaCoin, LightCoin, JaylowCoin, and PorkCoin hold steady -- perhaps these Assets should be pooled into a Mutual Fund -- LurkerCoin?
PurrCoin has DEPRECIATED
WisdomCoin has further DEPRECIATED -- don't be a bag holder trying to score a good deal on a low-cost coin!
TOxMCoin has regained its lost VALUE and returned to its IPO value
EdoCoin has DEPRECIATED
LeoCoin holds its INFLATED price but I still feel it may be a BUBBLE market
VonCoin has DEPRECIATED

CheekyCoin and NancyCoin value has CRASHED! Hope there weren't any bagholders there...

WagonCoin value continues to grow but only incrementally
ProfiiCoin value has APPRECIATED

INVEST IN GROWING MARKETS

DON'T BE LEFT HOLDING THE BAG ON A DEPRECIATING WAGON

[Nancy Drew 39]

so the imminent truth is that i have to try to read wagonomics later which is going to be aids

I mean I think their stances will easier to analyze?
Don’t feel like it’s a towny system though

It seems more like it's the threads' overall stances rather than personal stances. I think my stock along with

Drewva

’s crashed because our lynches look unlikely at this point. It'll be interesting to see how long he keeps it up for.

I’m not playing in a hydra, this game.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Oh sorry I'm too used to it. Sorry Nancy.

It’s okay, it’s not like it was a secret.

[Nancy Drew 39]

votecount 1.07

8 players voting for Leodanny (Purrcocet, profii, hebichan, Gamma Emerald, Wisdom, CheekyTeeky, Kokichi Oma)
2 players voting for Varsoon (sheepsaysmeep, Jaylow7)
2 players voting for Jaylow7 (Party Boat, Nancy Drew 39)
2 players voting for Gamma Emerald (TheBrie, Ausuka)
2 players voting for sheepsaysmeep (Vaxkiller, Varsoon)
1 player voting for Vaxkiller (Wagonomics)
1 player voting for Kokichi Oma (Leodanny)

8 players not voting (0verki11, singletonking, Theta Alpine, light_ganski, Xtoxm, Edosurist, Jaylow7, vonflare)

with 24 votes, it takes 13 to lynch.

mod notes:

Sheep and Varsoon wagons are bad.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I think Hebi is town

[Nancy Drew 39]

Sheep and Varsoon wagons are bad.

They're voting each other though?

Yeah but I think there both town. They’re both reading town tonally to me.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Sheep and Varsoon wagons are bad.

They're voting each other though?

Yeah but I think there both town. They’re both reading town tonally to me.

It's a weird thought to have though. Their wagons consist of one player apart from them who are your townreads. Did you mean they are bad votes not bad wagons? Bad wagons implies the constituents are scummy to me.

Why can't bad wagons be bad town? I expect scum to be more opportunistic than that.

Yes exactly, Hebi gets it. Bad wagons, because I think they’re both town.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Mfw a wagon is 2 people now

Can someone please tell me what “Mfw” means? Kthanx.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Sheep and Varsoon wagons are bad.

They're voting each other though?

Yeah but I think there both town. They’re both reading town tonally to me.

It's a weird thought to have though. Their wagons consist of one player apart from them who are your townreads. Did you mean they are bad votes not bad wagons? Bad wagons implies the constituents are scummy to me.

I mean I think Sheep and Varsoon are town here, so any votes on either are probably wrong. Sorry, if this was unclear.

[Nancy Drew 39]

"My Face When"

Oh thanks, there should be a list somewhere with all of the slang and abbreviations.

[Nancy Drew 39]

my problem with waiting for others to contribute is then the more active people clog up the game thread
that's why I advocate for faster early days

But mislynches are most common in early days.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I'm caught up. Only thing I didn't really like was Varsoon seemingly wanting to lynch within his neighborhood to find scum... seems like something the scum in the neighborhood would want to do.

Wagonomics can meme thier way to the end of the game for all I care

???

When did he do this? He was opposed to it iirc.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I expect PB to obvtown at some point.

I feel good about him being town. He’s been pretty solvey so far, don’t you think?

[Nancy Drew 39]

My hero! Thanks for pointing that out, Ermeralds iso was big so I didn’t read it yet.

Nice post that adds nothing but appeals the the target.
@Ausuka I’ll address your post later but I feel like we’re gonna have a problem.

How so? And what does “appeals the the target” mean?
Also stop being a ninja all of you please

What?

[Nancy Drew 39]

LeoCoin gathering several investors you are predicting it will depreciate. Do you believe it is a bubble wagon? Do you think investing in a bubble wagon is a bad idea? I personally feel diversifying through the day could be good, in which case investing early into a bubble wagon doesn’t seem like a bother to me.

That is the question of the market right now. I believe LeoCoin very well could be a bubble wagon. In general, I do think investing in a bubble wagon is a bad idea, unless you buy early and then sell before the crash. But that sort of behavior also risks a SEC investigation.

The depreciation of LeoCoin is not purely a result of his current investors but more his response to my observations about his IPO.

His recent V/LA post also seemed like it might not end up a scum flip or a green flip, but perhaps one of those wild card flips whose value is hard to evaluate.

Also, scum have insider trading, this is bad.

In the event of a scumflip with some real winners, there is always the chance of an SEC investigation.

And that's it for now folks, the Conference Call is coming to an end for today. Thank you for your time and questions

I didn’t know you needed to be knowledgeable of the stock market to play Mafia.

Like wtf is a “bubble” wagon anyhow?

You’re suggesting Leo’s a 3P?

[Nancy Drew 39]

ugh

anyone wanna claim competing jester or some wacky garbage that explains what leo is doing

b/c it sure looks like deliberately playing to get lynched at this point but I'll still kill it unless someone has a better option given how torturous dealing a jester in a no deadlines game would be

If Leo is in fact scum here, then I would guess he’s probably being bussed.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Ctr when gra and you fla.

I have no idea what this means, which was obviously the intent.

[Nancy Drew 39]

KokichiCoin has further depreciated in VALUE

wth i haven't even done anything so far this game. have i?

So why are you calling me out for not doing things while Kokichi has actually said he hasn’t done anything?
VOTE: Kikochi Oma

This is a really weird vote. Why do you vote Kokichi over Wagonomics here?

[Nancy Drew 39]

KokichiCoin has further depreciated in VALUE

wth i haven't even done anything so far this game. have i?

So why are you calling me out for not doing things while Kokichi has actually said he hasn’t done anything?
VOTE: Kikochi Oma

This is yikes and Kokichi Oma probably knows why.

Damn, I spelled it wrong.

Dude, your vote makes no sense. Who gives af, about the spelling.

If you don’t explain this, I’m voting you.

[Nancy Drew 39]

KokichiCoin has further depreciated in VALUE

wth i haven't even done anything so far this game. have i?

So why are you calling me out for not doing things while Kokichi has actually said he hasn’t done anything?
VOTE: Kikochi Oma

???????? what. this post literally makes 0 sense. LOL

Does that not resemble what Dunnstral did in Terror in the City?

@Kokichi

I dont even remember the play that game

You accused Dunnstral of lurking, he said that it wasn’t fair to criticize since you were too
I guess I see the difference now but I still think Leo trying to divert attention the way he has is scummy.

More than that, based on his reasoning, Wagonomics should have been his vote, not Kokichi.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Vote the potato. Let's make french fries

Spoiler:

[Nancy Drew 39]

is it just me or does leo wagon feel too easy? it's like everyone in the thread rn agrees on it and he feels like newbie lynchbait. also sounds kinda genuine recently past his obvious tonal wakwardness.

VOTE: gemerald is where i lean so far, i feel like his iso is like trying to produce content to the point where it's not immediately obvious that he isn't, and he definitely has a lot of posts, but most of them feel more like posts for the sake of posting than anything else, like the exchange about cheeky being right about porkens; don't get what that was meant to accomplish and honestly most of his posts don't feel like scumhunting at all, the exception being his recent push on Leo where he first opposes it but then switches and sticks to the anti-leo position hard?

wagonomics account is great honestly and has me pocketed

Yeah, there’s virtually no resistance to it but that doesn’t mean it can’t be a bus. Scum is more likely to bus on D1.

His responses to his vote don’t seem genuine to me, Leo’s that is.

Why are you saying the bolded?

What is so overwhelmingly honest about his posting?

His posts are fun and extremely entertaining, I’ll give you that.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Looking through Spud meta makes me more confident in this wagon.

Links?

[Nancy Drew 39]

Looking through Spud meta makes me more confident in this wagon.

Links?

NM, only found one completed game on here - town:


https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... B%5D=32026

[Nancy Drew 39]

Vax and Ausuka are also pinging me. I don’t like her Wagonomics’s honesty comment, it didn’t really make too much sense to me, and Vax, keeps shading Varsoon, yet voteparked on sheep - and has yet to give even a single reason for voting him.

[Nancy Drew 39]

meh im reading up and leo's posts still feel sort of panicky/tryign to force something out to hopefully survie this day phase



i still just cant really put away the concern that this wagon suddenly appeared in like the span of a page and the varsoon wagon totally disappeared

sort of want other peoples thoughts on what they think that means if that wasnt a topic of discussion while i was gone

Sheep, you’ve been agreeing with Varsoon’s stance wrt the hood. I really don’t understand how he is your biggest scumread?

[Nancy Drew 39]

Sheep, you’ve been agreeing with Varsoon’s stance wrt the hood. I really don’t understand how he is your biggest scumread?

a) my read on him has nothing to do with agreeing on the hood

if you read my posting on him or open my iso and command f, it shouldnt be hard at all to see where im coming from or trace my progression clearly which should be a pretty sufficient summary from what i remember that i posted while reading his posting

this is a simplified compilation of things ive essentially talked about at points, but

look for like, actual reads or sorting from varsoon
not mechanical talk, but actual reads

anyone who townreads him is essentially letting him slip by off of his mechanics talk, and i originally townread? it but it's not hard to fake at all once i think more about it

and when you read more deeply into his mechanics stuff it's basically just "oh here's the neighborhood, i outed because i think there's a wolf in here i think, actually, there's a chance that there arent any wolves here and here's the probability and here are 20 reasons why" or smtg which is basically just useless and i cant even tell what he's supposed to be trying to say so no i dont see a stance to agree on

wagonomics ish talk below

b) i want to note for clarity that he might not even be my current scumread rn as im switching back and forth between leodanny and varsoon

but in terms of general stuff thats happened leodanny is like a varsoon 2.0 of this game

i scumread them off a similar premis where they were posting a lot and had a pretty noticable thread presence but after a more in depth look no content or solving
a wagon suddenly appeared on them after i tried pushing my uncomfort there for a bit, and soon they were really high up in votes
that original high posting high impact at point 1 is gone and they immediately drop in activity/wim/confidence and panic and go into posting to try to survive mode

the leodanny wagon is great and i support it, but varsoon was pressured, he responded terribly, and the pressure just went away and i think it's very important and am officially asking that some of the peopel who were originally on his wagon and ditched to at least maintain some of that pressure

(also while on the topic of wagons, the way his wagon just disappeared when another started emerging is nagl imo)

c) also if there's anything that stops me from just totally trusting you/putting you in the town core it's your unwavering defense and confidence in varsoon? like his wagon has been a prominent thing and youre arguing against it without budging and i'd expect you to at least reconsider or be somewhat paranoid or have at least some doubt with the amount of reasons that are being put forth against him because the basis for your defense on him is fairly weak from what ive read and if he flips wolf i turn straight to you

If I am somehow wrong about Varsoon, how does that make me wolf?

[Nancy Drew 39]

If I am somehow wrong about Varsoon, how does that make me wolf?

even if varsoon is villa, i dont feel comfortable with how consistently confident you were that he was villa off of such little reasoning despite such a large wagon and so many things being said against him

And this is somehow unusual for me to do as town?

There was a large wagon against town!you in God knows how many games, I’ve played with you. Did you consider it scummy that I stuck to my guns and hard defended you, despite other players disagreeing with me?

Because I don’t really believe you find this scummy from me. I always put my own reads above anything else. This post is pinging me a bit.

[Nancy Drew 39]

potato = newbscum

So no reason not to kill it then?

I can very well see sheep being scum too. His latest posts seem really panicky when brought up against Varoon there, and that large post of his basically made no sense to me, dunno if it did for anyone else.

How did Varsoon react poorly to pressure, sheep?

VOTE: Sheep

Waffely sheep=town
Tunnelly sheep=scum

That’s how you can tell the difference.

[Nancy Drew 39]

530 was pretty scummy tbh. Why wouldn't town lynch scum just because they're newbscum?

Didn’t she say, “no reason not to kill it then”?

[Nancy Drew 39]

this thread has definitely slowed down by a concerning amount yeah



can i have other peoples thoughts on hebi? my recent interaction made with them made me feel pretty uncomfortable with them and realize that theyve sort of just been unconsciously not in my radar so far but i feel like i might be a bit confbiased here

530 was pretty scummy tbh. Why wouldn't town lynch scum just because they're newbscum?

Didn’t she say, “no reason not to kill it then”?

I guess you’re right... but then she votes sheep? Her actions and words seem to be doing two different things.

The thing with Hebi, is that she is one of the most frequently wrongly scumread players on this site and based on other games I’ve played with her and only one time was she scum - nothing about her play so far, strikes me as any different from any of her other towngames.

[Nancy Drew 39]

my sensors have finished calibrating and determined that the game is going too slow to not vote someone who i think is likely either jester or scum

VOTE: leodanny

for the record xtomx leo and Jay are all pretty fantastic votes at the moment imo

if i had an order preference it'd prob be like jay->leo->xtomx but tbf to him xtomx is being non-existent in the neighborhood too which is v. disappointing but prob doesn't make him much more likely scum than his thread posts on their own

I think, we might be mindmelding here.

But no one is going to vote him off of one atrocious post and his vote on Kokichi and his reasoning, and then worrying more about the spelling, then the dafuq reasosning is weird and his townplay in that one game, is better than it is here.

[Nancy Drew 39]

VOTE: leodanny

I hope you cash in on that stockmarket winfall.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Tis true. One day I'll be right though.

Not a good reason to keep it up though. You can only cry wolf so many times...

???

[Nancy Drew 39]

Tis true. One day I'll be right though.

Not a good reason to keep it up though. You can only cry wolf so many times...

???

Saying if the tell is continually wrong people might not trust it when it is right

Yeah, good point. Well, I would say if it’s ever right, it should be then viewed as NAI or just a playstyle thing.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Tis true. One day I'll be right though.

Not a good reason to keep it up though. You can only cry wolf so many times...

???

Saying if the tell is continually wrong people might not trust it when it is right

Yeah, good point. Well, I would say if it’s ever right, it should be then viewed as NAI or just a playstyle thing.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Ofc don’t ignore the fact you can use the hood to sort people

I mean yeah you can use the hood to talk and if someone does something there it should be shared with the thread. What I'm saying is that you shouldn't assume there are X scum in it and scumhunt using that.

I can tell you this. PB and Xtoxm are never w/w in this game, if that ever becomes relevant.

I’m hard townreading PB anyhow.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Also I'm seeing why Leo is getting wagoned here, his posts read really awkward, but given that he somehow hit L-2/3 so early in such a large game gives me really bad feelings from the wagon.

Although I've yet to read the later posts so

I agree with you comments about wagon speed but Leo really was _that_ bad to warrant it imo

I always pay close attention to either the suddenness or speed of a wagon but sometimes scum can bus and in that case, there is no resistance.

[Nancy Drew 39]

So who is everyone's top scumreads

varsoon, leo, sort of hebi loosely following behind

Hebi is very likely town here.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Should I claim now, or at L-1?

If you have a claim, better do it ASAP. Why would you want to give scum a chance to hammer?

[Nancy Drew 39]

So who is everyone's top scumreads

varsoon, leo, sort of hebi loosely following behind

Hebi is very likely town here.

can you explain your reads on varsoon/hebi or try to sell me harder?


i have you as strong town but our reads in a lot of places are pretty opposite

I’m not great at reading Varsoon, unless he obvtowns it but I don’t think I’m seeing scum!him so far, based on the games I’ve played with him. Scum!Varsoon from what I remember, tends to be more agressive in pushing mislynches. Obviously I could be wrong about this but if he’s scum here, than he’s playing differently than he usually does as scum.

As for Hebi, she isn’t playing any differently this game, then in every towngame, I’ve played with her in. In the one game she was scum in, she made a suspicious naked vote on a scum partner, which seemed to come out of the blue.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Wow, someone might have to

bail

me out on this. What does liked more for scum mean? Scumread, or not scumread?

I claim Jailkeeper, crumb also
(Pay Bail to get out of jail until the trial)

UNVOTE:

[Nancy Drew 39]

Should I claim now, or at L-1?

If you have a claim, better do it ASAP. Why would you want to give scum a chance to hammer?

no stop


dont claim yet i want time for other people to post first and for me to wallpost about some thoughts on your slot

He could get lynched before he has the chance.

[Nancy Drew 39]

As for Hebi, she isn’t playing any differently this game, then in every towngame, I’ve played with her in. In the one game she was scum in, she made a suspicious naked vote on a scum partner, which seemed to come out of the blue.

hopefully im not asking too much, but i dont have any real meta knowledge with hebi; can you link a past game and talk about it so i have a better idea of what youre saying?

i cant really agree with you on any of your meta reads rn so i legitimately think that would be really beneficial

I will later. In the meantime, just ISO her towngames, Heroes Wanted, Boundaries of Reality and her scum!game, Minuet.

[Nancy Drew 39]

VOTE: sheep

Sheep like Hebi, is a frequently mislynched player. I think he is town, sorting here.

[Nancy Drew 39]

hi nancy drew 32

<3

It’s 39.

[Nancy Drew 39]

gamma might be scum btw
last few posts reminded me of scum him

I’ll sheep you on him, if you decide to vote there, since I don’t think you’ve been wrong on him, so far.

[Nancy Drew 39]

hello hydraslip

I usually slip with my main. First time for everything, I guess.

[Nancy Drew 39]

you guys know that doesn't mean hes town, right?

Yeah jailkeeper can be town or scum

leodanny give three reads please I still want to know what you're actually thinking reads-wise

Hell no I don’t have three reads; but I’ll sheep Ausuka, since It doesn’t seem like Kokichi is a good vote on rereading.
VOTE: Gamma Emerald

How do you not have 3 reads?

And your Kokichi vote was terrible.

[Nancy Drew 39]

VOTE: sheep

Sheep like Hebi, is a frequently mislynched player. I think he is town, sorting here.

He's not sorting
Also you're voting Jaylow -_-

I will reread Hebi but how is she not sorting?

I still think that was the worst opening post in the game.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Like he said he was going to right a wallpost on your slot
Does anyone in this game think Nancy isn't a transparent town player

Hebi (she btw) or Jaylow?

[Nancy Drew 39]

Oh it looks like I read that post wrong and he townreads you

I do still wanna lynch him tho

Well sheep is definitely sorting but I obviously think he’s wrong about Hebi/Varsoon. He’s still town.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Hell no I don’t have three reads; but I’ll sheep Ausuka, since It doesn’t seem like Kokichi is a good vote on rereading.
VOTE: Gamma Emerald

No, we’re not going to let you coast on that claim. You could be a mafia jailkeep, for all we know. Gives us those reads, or I’m revoting you.

And your sheep on Ausuka reads more like an OMGUS than an actual read. You had no basis to vote Kokichi, based on the reasoning you gave, so claiming to sheep a vote that’s really an OMGUS, is really sketchy.

[Nancy Drew 39]

He's not sorting

if we're being honest im the last player you can say that about if you read any recent part of the thread

you write a lot of shit
and i read some of it sometimes


but this is exactly what im talking about

you claimed in the scummiest way possible

it's not a village pr who's claiming because he need to

it's not a village pr who gives the slightest fuck about whether mafia find out that theyre a decent pr

you did that exactly how i used to fakeclaim when it was necessary as wolf in theme games; you said that like youre trying to present it to people hoping that theyll see it as town

He was at L-2 as we were flash lynching him
What the fuck is any of this? Lmao

Like he said he was going to right a wallpost on your slot
Does anyone in this game think Nancy isn't a transparent town player

Hebi (she btw) or Jaylow?

I'm talking about sheep

What sheep said isn’t scummy because Leo suspiciously way overreacted to PB’s request for 3 reads. Who does that as town? Then he claims to “sheep” Ausuka on a slot that just happens to be scumreading him. How is that not scummy to you?

[Nancy Drew 39]

you claimed in the scummiest way possible

it's not a village pr who's claiming because he need to

it's not a village pr who gives the slightest fuck about whether mafia find out that theyre a decent pr

you did that exactly how i used to fakeclaim when it was necessary as wolf in theme games; you said that like youre trying to present it to people hoping that theyll see it as town

glod pls help
I know this was discussed in a game that should prolly be completed, is asking whether you should claim a not-towntell

I see that as NAI but the reaction to PB’s request, doesn’t read town to me.

[Nancy Drew 39]

What sheep said isn’t scummy because Leo suspiciously way overreacted to PB’s request for 3 reads. Who does that as town? Then he claims to “sheep” Ausuka on a slot that just happens to be scumreading him. How is that not scummy to you?

650 is talking directly about the claim
Given that how does any of it make sense?

Leo suspiciously way overreacted to PB’s request for 3 reads. Who does that as town?

It's not hard to make up reads?

He just seems awkward. I'm not scumreading him because everything now looks like his play was for the sake of tpr not wanting to draw NK

In Minuet, we had a Mafia Jailkeep, remember? Claiming JK doesn’t make him town.

He cannot give reads as a tpr? Since when?

And not even 3 townreads? How does that hurt him at all as town? And why act so defensive about the request?

Sure, anyone can fake reads but isn’t that HOW we sort people in Mafia?

He doesn’t have to be so scummy, to not draw NK. No one is expecting him to obvtown it, just to do even the minimal that is townie. Why is that so unreasonable to you?

[Nancy Drew 39]

you claimed in the scummiest way possible

it's not a village pr who's claiming because he need to

(he was... about to die?)

it's not a village pr who gives the slightest fuck about whether mafia find out that theyre a decent pr

(he was... about to die?)

Nothing whatsoever about his actual claim is scummy but the reaction following it, is. How dare PB ask him to give 3 reads? Like . . . what is the issue with that? And claiming to sheep a vote, on a slot that just happens to br scumreading you, is really sketchy too.

I mean he could be obvmislynchbait but his reaction to the reads’ request, doesn’t read townie to me. It also isn’t easy for scum to fake reads. It is in fact, one of the hardest things to do as scum, because you know, you can’t give real reads. Not giving reads or really questionable ones, like his weird Kokichi vote, is far more likely to come from scum than town, IMO.

[Nancy Drew 39]

im still paranoid that nancy is pocketing me even though i dont have any real reason to believe it asdf

How am I pocketing you?

And this sounds like classic townsheep, btw.

[Nancy Drew 39]

you claimed in the scummiest way possible

it's not a village pr who's claiming because he need to

(he was... about to die?)

it's not a village pr who gives the slightest fuck about whether mafia find out that theyre a decent pr

(he was... about to die?)

he was at l2 and first brought up "im going to claim", i told him he didnt need to claim and i asked him to please not claim and he was just like nope

I don’t see that as unreasonable at all. Just the aftermath.

[Nancy Drew 39]

As much as I think Sheep is wrong in a lot of ways, I think he's town.

So people should just move off it.

I'm not even sure what scum is doing right now.

I'm afraid that a lot of the scum is in inactive slots like kokichi or wagonomics or other hard to read slots.

Though I guess Leo could still be scum, just seems hard to want to lynch a potential power role this early on.

Leo and Kokichi are never w/w here anyway but you’re probably right.

I still think it isn’t unreasonable to ask Leo to give some reads and his extremely defensive overreaction to that, is what’s pinging me the most about him.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Isn’t town implied?

Why do you see one “hell no” as overreacting?

Why can’t it be both a sheep and OMGUS?

Because he asked you for reads. Why would you react so strongly to that?

It could be but you still haven’t given a reason for it but it’s your refusal to give reads, is the more concerning part of it. Why would you be opposed to that?

[Nancy Drew 39]

I’d say Sheep is a slight scumlean, solely because he seems to think that CLAIMING AT L-2 IN A 24P GAME IS A BAD IDEA, which I don’t think town would say.

Well, I do agree that you always need to claim as soon as you have a sizeable wagon on you.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I’d say Sheep is a slight scumlean, solely because he seems to think that CLAIMING AT L-2 IN A 24P GAME IS A BAD IDEA, which I don’t think town would say.

Town has told me this plenty of times after I have claimed.

There's no benefit to scum not wanting you to claim.

I don’t think sheep is scum here but the obvious benefit would be a mislynch. If someone is at L-2 or even L-3, they can’t afford to risk it.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I'm afraid that a lot of the scum is in inactive slots like kokichi or wagonomics or other hard to read slots.

Scummy post.

Says I could be scum cause im inactive. I have more posts than her. Contradiction.

I think it’s NAI but you’re definitely not being “inactive”.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Isn’t town implied?

Why do you see one “hell no” as overreacting?

Why can’t it be both a sheep and OMGUS?

Because he asked you for reads. Why would you react so strongly to that?

It could be but you still haven’t given a reason for it but it’s your refusal to give reads, is the more concerning part of it. Why would you be opposed to that?

My word choice really needs to be better.
Anyway, what I meant was I didn’t have three reads, I have too many townreads. Not that I wouldn’t give him my reads.

Just pick any 3 and explain your reasoning or scum, if you have any. How you explain your reads, helps people get a handle on your alignment, which is why it’s so important.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Varsoon, the issue I have with you is this: you first outed your neighbourhood because you believed it contained at least one scum, but then you were the first to propose that your neighbourhood could be all town. I find these mindsets conflicting.

Can you reconcile this?

Even if it

could

have scum, that doesn't mean that it does.
I outted the hood because
1. IF there is scum there, then any info we share there is not safe from being stolen.
2. IF there is scum there, ya'll can PoE figure out who scum is later in the game.
3. Regardless of if there is scum there or not, it becomes incredibly obvious when 4 people are having out-of-main-thread discussion; any decent player would realize we have some sort of alternate means of interaction, which may get us falsely scumread. Even basic players catch on to this and get suspicious of players who seem to have info they don't/interactions that they haven't seen.
4. The game thread itself, on the other hand, is guaranteed to have the usual ratio of town to non-town alignments. Hunting there should be our priority, as if we're wrong about scum being in the neighborhood, we PoE ourselves into a sunk-cost 4-town-mislynch.

Does that make sense?
How many times do I have to write this out?

Makes sense.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Also, NSG is a member of it and she's admitted to getting pocketed in PTs before.
I just don't think having a 4 man PT is beneficial for town if kept secret.

NSG?

???



You mean me.

[Nancy Drew 39]

U were just on our team

kokichi the entire game basically only said "Why isn't Alonzo being lynched yet" And no one batted an eye LMOAO...

When is potato being lynched

I hate when we vote scum and people unvote for no reason

-_-


and sheep votes like mafia

His tunelliness, does give me pause. Like I said, town!sheep=waffley sheep, tunelly sheep=scum!sheep. Hmmm . . . town!Kokichi is also less tunelly too, in general.

But it obviously would depend on Leo!flip. Tbf, his reasoning for his Kokichi vote was atrocious.

But anyone pushing a lynch on a hard claim, does have me concerned.

Oh and I think, Single is town.

[Nancy Drew 39]

and sheep votes like mafia

can you go more inot depth about why you think this





also i did a hebi meta dive and
they definitely get lynched as villa a lot

they have the same overall feel as villa in how theyre generally petty relaxed/natural in thread without really caring about how theyre read

i still dislike a couple of individual specific posts in this game and i havent found any wolf games to compare to so i dont know to what degree she's aboe to replicate this but it's still a decent look and i wanted to update on that because i might not be able to read a wolf game for a while

Pretty damn sure, this is town!Hebi we’re seeing here.

[Nancy Drew 39]

meh what i liked about hebi feels more nai and apparent in her wolf gametoo

im still somewhat lean w on that slot

She seems to be pretty genuine here. You disagree?

[Nancy Drew 39]

While I saw something that made me slightly consider current investments in VaxCoin, and I have started to wonder if maybe there isn't something to investing in the LurkerCoin Mutual Fund, I'm also not sure it will make a difference given the current support for PotatoCoin being the investment property for today.

I am definitely not townreading Vax.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Ya I'm pretty sure I'm still gonna want Leo dead once everyone's popped in to post this week

What does people popping in have to do with anything?

Like all his posts are just so devoid of anything that feels like genuine scumhunting

Who needs to look like they're scumhunting more? Town or scum?

I'm not particularly inspired by your posting this game.

Everyone, no?

How else do we make reads?

[Nancy Drew 39]

Like to stir the pot I'm going to say that I think spud is just floundering town and I'm being lazy because I can't be bothered trying to sort this big ass game, let alone try to get another feasible wagon through.

The folks circling the potential easy mislynch slot, like sheep and PB are the most suspicious.

But he unvoted right after the claim? I think the reads question to Leo is a decent one, no?

Between the two of them, I’m more concerned with sheep telling him not to claim at - was it at L-1 or L-2?

Because obviously, waiting until L-1, can get you hammered.

But if Leo is actually scum here, than that would totally flip this around. I like Single for town, because he wants to wait a day, because of Leo hardclaim, which I think is a good idea. We don’t want to mislynch a hardclaimed PR but I think PB isn’t wrong to be skeptical of Leo’s claim either.

But I could definitely see Leo as being the usual town mislynchbait too. \_0_/

I think RC would be very disappointed in me, if I vote the hardclaimed classic mislynchbaity JK and he flips town.:/

Anyway, you are still my #1 town, followed by Single.

[Nancy Drew 39]

While I saw something that made me slightly consider current investments in VaxCoin, and I have started to wonder if maybe there isn't something to investing in the LurkerCoin Mutual Fund, I'm also not sure it will make a difference given the current support for PotatoCoin being the investment property for today.

Tell me more on VaxCoin. It seems like it could go places.

So far the representative for VaxCoin has invested in SheepCoin and VarsoonCoin, neither of which are properties I see as particularly promising. His joke posts about post numbers did make me somewhat wonder, since I have seen Low-Value VaxCoin make similar jokes in the past, but overall I would say VaxCoin still has significant investment potential.

UNVOTE:


VOTE: Vax

I wanna be rich.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Isn’t town implied?

Why do you see one “hell no” as overreacting?

Why can’t it be both a sheep and OMGUS?

Because he asked you for reads. Why would you react so strongly to that?

It could be but you still haven’t given a reason for it but it’s your refusal to give reads, is the more concerning part of it. Why would you be opposed to that?

My word choice really needs to be better.
Anyway, what I meant was I didn’t have three reads, I have too many townreads. Not that I wouldn’t give him my reads.

Just pick any 3 and explain your reasoning or scum, if you have any. How you explain your reads, helps people get a handle on your alignment, which is why it’s so important.

This is gonna be

Great

Ausuka- she seems town. Why? Well, she at least tried to reason out why I might be a mislynch, instead of sheeping Emerald(btw, this slot isn’t doing a whole lot, I think)
Varsoon- scummy, a bit. blah blah blah technical talk, probably on a level with Gamma as regards scumhunting. Also jumps on the wagon w/o reason
Emerald- as above, not much. Gets the wagon on me going, that’s a whole bunch of drama.
Also sheep is tunneling me and it’s concerning

What do you you think of Jaylow’s opening post and Vax?

I know you’ve already answered but if you have any thoughts on either of those slots, that would be awesome. Thanks.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I'm a bit skeptical of voting Vaxkiller here because I know he can be lynchbaity as town

Yeah but I dunno, he’s been pinging me. While I didn’t like Leo’s Kokichi vote, I think him not voting Wagonomics isn’t that bad because I think Ausaka’s right and he’s probably town, so townleaning Wag and Ausuka now.

[Nancy Drew 39]

sheep
nancy drew
cheeky

ausuka
profii
wisdom
purrocet
brie
kokichi

vonflare
jaylow
wagonomics
edo
xtoxm
theta
singleton
lightgan
party boat
vax
gamma

overkill
hebi

leo
varsoon

Why is Jaylow so high on your list?

[Nancy Drew 39]

I'm a bit skeptical of voting Vaxkiller here because I know he can be lynchbaity as town

Yeah but I dunno, he’s been pinging me. While I didn’t like Leo’s Kokichi vote, I think him not voting Wagonomics isn’t that bad because I think Ausaka’s right and he’s probably town, so townleaning Wag and Ausuka now.

Wag is probably town, not Leo.

[Nancy Drew 39]

What do you you think of Jaylow’s opening post and Vax?

I know you’ve already answered but if you have any thoughts on either of those slots, that would be awesome. Thanks.

Vaxkiller seems to be trying, but I think he’s just reiterating most things.
Jaylow’s only post says that Varsoon the only interesting one, but votes him for reason that he doesn’t reveal.

And it’s his ONLY post in the entire game, so far.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Yeah, I said that.

Yeah, I find that highly suspicious for both an entrance post and an only post but no one wants to lynch there because of that.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Yeah, I said that.

Yeah, I find that highly suspicious for both an entrance post and an only post but no one wants to lynch there because of that.

i mean Iiiiiiii'd still lynch it

VOTE: Jaylow

Vaxkiller seems to be trying

I am?

No, you’re fake trying and just got on the Varsoon bandwagon, then shitposted a bit.

Decisions, decisions.



My stock market advisor, advised me to invest in Vax, so maybe I’ll stay there. The mod needs to prod Jaylow, I think?

[Nancy Drew 39]

Can we stop just voting people for not posting. Its lazy. Vote scummy people instead.

If you’re referring to Jaylow, that isn’t the reason, PB and me find him scummy.

He had the worst entrance of the entire playerlist.

No one is sr him SOLELY for that. His initial and only post was scummy.

[Nancy Drew 39]

VOTE: Sheepsaysmeep

Okay so a few things
Thing 1.
It's not a neighborhood. It's a masonry.
Thing 2.
Lynch that sheep loser.

Are you townreading everyone in there now?

Or are you just yanking our chains?

[Nancy Drew 39]

my role card says leodanny is scum
and yes this is me counter-claiming jailkeeper
i was going to wait and see if a leodanny lynch would occur on its own because that was a fairly obvious desperate move and role fishing attempt

but honestly if i did not claim now town is just going to fall in on itself the way things are looking

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Leodanny

[Nancy Drew 39]

sad that a cc was needed for that

stop trusting claims and actually read people guys

I am believing TA’s CC.

[Nancy Drew 39]

BUY VOTE: PotatoCoin

I hope you stay in this game a long time. You’re making it fun.

[Nancy Drew 39]

can someone explains why a duplicate role means something in a 24p game

It’s very uncommon outside of FakeGod games, to have 2 town JKs in the same game.

[Nancy Drew 39]

It occured to me just now there is a gunsmith and I am negative utility

I actually thought my role was a joke but now i understand I am a gunsmith miller

So I am hardclaiming "3 month vig"

I.e I have a gun but will probably never use it since it requires the day to last 3 months

That’s wacked. Why do mods create these crazy roles?

[Nancy Drew 39]

I also don't see Theta counterclaiming as scum. Unless Theta felt certain that Leo was giving a fake claim, which scum wouldn't.

I don't trust the neighbourhood.

L-2 already? That's not what this game is about guys!

If I die n1 look into Varsoon I'm not explicitly townreading him here

That does not sound like something one says about a fellow mason. I suppose it's not 100% confirmed that all masons are town, but I don't think this game is that screwy.
I still am inclined to trust Nancy though. Nancy, is the neighbourhood a masonry?

No, it’s just a regular neighbourhood.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Is that supposed to be a list of scum?

Ya

Hey Purr, I just want to wish you Happy Holidays. <3

[Nancy Drew 39]

mod can town vote to accelerate the game clock?

VOTE: YES!!!

[Nancy Drew 39]

So you want Wagon to be able to vig someone?

Sure, why not?

Who currently has the best investment potential?

[Nancy Drew 39]

Meh, let's lynch Gamma.

Other possible scum include Vax and Kokichi.
Town include Nancy Drew, Hebi and Ausuka.
I'm slightly lean-town on Wisdom and Varsoon now.

I don't think the profii kill was from town, but the Cheeky one potentially was. I still doubt it cuz my bet's on multi-ball

.

How do you figure that? Cheeky was blatant obvtown, Profil wasn’t.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Duplicate roles are rather rare even in larges from my experience

Except in FG games.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Nancy give me treats or else. Grrr. :3

Spoiler:

Sure thing.



<3

[Nancy Drew 39]

Meh, let's lynch Gamma.

Other possible scum include Vax and Kokichi.
Town include Nancy Drew, Hebi and Ausuka.
I'm slightly lean-town on Wisdom and Varsoon now.

I don't think the profii kill was from town, but the Cheeky one potentially was. I still doubt it cuz my bet's on multi-ball.

Lynching Gamma doesn't sound like the worst idea ever. Rest of those reads: similarish to mine. Leaning less scum on Kokichi yet because I really don't know how to read him yet. And a less town on Heib, and even Ausuka. And regarding Nancy, I still need to figure out what's going on with the neighbourhood. Xtoms (I know that's not spelled right) posts are not all consistent with it being a masonry as he and Varsoon claim.

Profii kill was odd because he'd not done much besides vote Varsoon early on. No one really had reason to be afraid of him. And Cheeky? You think town killed Cheeky? Scum killing Cheeky makes sense.

Nollaig shona dhaoibh. Merry Christmas to you all. I probably won't be back for some days, unless I get too bored.

What are you trying to figure out? I already told you, it’s a neighbourhood, not a masonry.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Meh, let's lynch Gamma.

Other possible scum include Vax and Kokichi.
Town include Nancy Drew, Hebi and Ausuka.
I'm slightly lean-town on Wisdom and Varsoon now.

I don't think the profii kill was from town, but the Cheeky one potentially was. I still doubt it cuz my bet's on multi-ball.

Lynching Gamma doesn't sound like the worst idea ever. Rest of those reads: similarish to mine. Leaning less scum on Kokichi yet because I really don't know how to read him yet. And a less town on Heib, and even Ausuka. And regarding Nancy, I still need to figure out what's going on with the neighbourhood. Xtoms (I know that's not spelled right) posts are not all consistent with it being a masonry as he and Varsoon claim.

Profii kill was odd because he'd not done much besides vote Varsoon early on. No one really had reason to be afraid of him. And Cheeky? You think town killed Cheeky? Scum killing Cheeky makes sense.

Nollaig shona dhaoibh. Merry Christmas to you all. I probably won't be back for some days, unless I get too bored.

What are you trying to figure out? I already told you, it’s a neighbourhood, not a masonry.

P.edit. I told Edor, I think?

[Nancy Drew 39]

deffo towning vax

maybe the potato too

The potato already flipped.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Day one megapost heeeeeeeeere we go!

It was vonflare that claimed death miller (10) not varsoon
> still say policy lynching death millers is good praxis
Cheekyteeky discussing the mod's ethics page 1 (12) when we all know xyzzy has none is... probably irrelevant but I'll note it down anyway.
Varsoon comes in (15)... criticising RVS votes (?!) and claims the neighbourhood. 99.9% confirmed by lack of CCs. this is NAI scum and town have equal motive to out it.
more RVS...

Found TheBrie's 28 odd as I misread it first time round ( ), but without that oddness her first couple posts seem broadly similar to her style in grits (she was town iirc)
32 (GEmerald): I really think that death miller isn't out of character for this mod buuuuut in any case policy lynch is likely the best option.
34 technically true but neighbourhoods far more often than not have at least one scum and lynching strong scumreads in the neighbourhood is good townie praxis.
39 lurkers are bad policy lynches early on
varsoon (49) pings me. "I outed the neighbourhood but we shouldn't use it in scumhunting" comes across as cautious scum outing the neighbourhood for helpful townie cred? profii (57) makes this obvious point.
58 pingy too, everything varsoon says is technically correct if you misconstrue the idea of neighbourhood-membership as mildly indicative of scum when you already have a scumread on someone as "we have to lynch within the neighbourhood".

96 (cheekyteeky) - no, entering with a vote is def NAI, entering in RVS trying to read shit all is slightly scum leaning but imho this is standard for thebrie, and 97-98 looks townie.
121 and 124 are basically my thought process RE varsoon in the first couple pages.
varsoon (128) claims the thing abt lynching independent of the hood's existence - again - and I still disagree with it based on my analysis re post 58 (because you're not trying to scumhunt independently you're trying to direct people away, profii makes this point in 144). 129 is pure AtE but I can see it coming from town or scum.
studying past games with hoods will only get you so far, why not analyse the game you're playing (GEmerald, varsoon, posts 145 through 168)

wagonomics (170, 325, 418) how do you calculate your wagon value scores? (327 is okay but I wanna see the maths)

there's so much fluff in this game I feel like I'm in a wool factory. cheeky and brie are town
225 I'm feeling fine with a miller policy lynch on this
230, 232 (nancy drew) is town ish
wisdoms entire ISO is so low energy I hate it (and also hate 817 lynching fast D1 is objectively bad)
282 is kinda crap too discounting information is always anti-town

vax's entry (292) is in character probs NAI
nancy drew (303) I agree with from the prespective of that being an easy vote for lurking scum to make, good analysis. 304 not so though vax is NAI there.
346 - iirc theta wasn't as indecisive as this D1 when she was my partner in grits so I'm gonna town read this for now, but she could still be scum hedging here so don't discount this.
354, 355 (gemerald, cheeky) is the same reason I don't like wagonomics, in that these wagon value posts are just aggregates of everyone elses votes, and don''t actually contribute to the discussion or push for action.

381 (hebi) - easy wagon comment would feel scummy from anyone else but this is my third or fourth time playing with her and I'm gonna let it slide as NAI for her.
414 has a strong point from ausuka about gemerald but she surely cant be serious on wagonomics.
419 is effectively the debut post of wagonomics info-wise. And it tells us... not much. Still not contributing anything other than value scores it seems anyone could calculate. Could be not_mafia memeing us in which case I'd be quite happy to kill him.
433 (vax) - entirely the opposite of why I was scum reading varsoon there ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
465 (cheeky) - one thing I've seen about newbies, is that newbie town often looks REALLY scummy. More often than newbscum even (when I was new to mafia I was a perfect example of this, I could kinda blend in as scum but as town I was floundering and clueless).
466 (partyboat) echoes my thoughts exactly, but see the above.
467 - I love the character in purely flavour terms, but for the purposes of the actual game I haaaaaaate having to try and get reads from this. Stuff like this is bad townie praxis y'all.
476 nah sheep is weak-ish town at this point varsoon is scummy

PSA, since a couple of people have said this: imho fast early days are shit, early days generate banks of information which can be used to look for associative tells, groups of actors and just trends of posts in general that are super useful after you have a couple flips for sorting the wheat from the scum, whereas quick lynches prevent the collection of information that can be analysed especially when you have low energy posters that would likely be policy lynched.
(ofc intense, detailed early days are more difficult to catch up on for us idiots who forget about the game for a week but thats not the point)

TheBrie (512) makes the point that potato's posts are largely derivative, but again, I firmly believe this is a newbtown trait people like to jump on as scummy, and I'm super suspicious of all the people completely okay with this lynch!
And in 520 sheep echoes my thoughts on varsoon. But I fully dislike the idea that his playstyle is similar to potato's, varsoon is scummy because he backpedalled away from talking about the neighbourhood the moment he thought being in it made him look scummy. And the potato was obvtown. 523 thereby is the definition of a bad take.
hebi's sheep vote (530) is also not good. I think its blatantly obvious how varsoon responded badly.
partyboat - 543 - suggests voting... the obvious wagon and two players who've hardly contributed. Which does not give me happy feelings at all.....
and then nancy (553) buddies him. This actually is interesting and I'm keeping a note of this

The Brie (560) seems actually reluctant to vote for the potato and I'm not sure whether in a "don't blame me when we mislynch" way or a genuine way. Which is a shame as I was building a pretty strong townread on that slot
600 - O B V I O U S N E W B I E T O W N
Since I'm seeing it discussed around here hebi is 95% town
612 and 614 - okay yh the potato is being super anti-town newbie here i'll concede this
650 is baaaaa'd the claim was a newbie claim, for a clearly inexperienced player claiming jailkeep at l-2 with a rapidly building wagon is perfectly fine.
kokichi makes a lot of low info posts
752 & 757 wagonomics needs to go. I'll be sad to see the back of these posts but he doesn't benefit town in any way
778 finally the potato posts reads... aaaaaaand they're not at all out of the mainstream. Not sure I agree yet on an ausuka TR
sheep's list (800) is reasonable bar scum reading hebi
There is not seriously a 4 person masonry. I'd almost believe this as scum team claiming a masonry y'know
and 844 (party boat) just reads

weird

after the masonry claim, in that he's still pretty insistent it's a neighbourhood and acting as if there's the possibility of multiple factions in it.
849 theta's CC seems genuine and I think two jailkeepers isn't unrealistic

Aaaaaaaaaand thats D1 over. The potato was objectively a shit lynch, even after the CC, but based on their posts 46 through 439 (and thats 40 separate posts) I understand the temptation to push the easy lynch, literally all of those posts were fluff, IIOA or questions about general gameplay/wording that could've be answered by a cursory look at the wiki. BUT - this is somewhere I think scum would have been able to push with relatively little fear of backlash and I think it would be pertinent to look at who was really pushing this wagon, or who was sheeping without any real reason to.

Holy shit this post reads like my economics notes

I’m in an actual neighbourhood, not a masonry and not a scum team.

[Nancy Drew 39]

P.edit. If I was going to be masons with anyone, it would be Purrcocet.

[Nancy Drew 39]

nancy when will you learn to quote

???

[Nancy Drew 39]

You still quote the whole post instead of what you want to answer to

In this particular case, I wanted to quote the whole post.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Spoiler:

HAPPY FESTIVUS, EVERYONE!!!

[Nancy Drew 39]

can someone explains why a duplicate role means something in a 24p game

This pinged me of TMI especially if Theta is town

meh i interpreted it as hypothetically asking how much sense a world with a duplicate town role would make?

I agree, I didn’t view it as TMI either. I often make statements such as I don’t want to mislynch X and sometimes get accused of that, when it’s obviously based on a read. And even if scum, without any NAs, since this comment was made on D1, how could he possibly know what her role is, if town?

[Nancy Drew 39]

Town

ganski
theta alpine
hebichan
wagonomics after the claim

Weak town

the brie
sheep
nancy drew
singletonking (I guess? this is barely more than null)
ausuka (my gut was scum but I don't trust my gut)

Eh

vaxkiller
wisdom
kokichi

Weak scum

purrcocet (again... barely more than null)
party boat
gamma emerald
0verkill
xtoxm

Scum

jaylow (his one post was godawful)
vonflare (this one is for the death miller claim then disappearing, should policy lynch if we don't decide on anyone else)
varsoon

I can read Purrcocet fairly well and I feel pretty confident, they are never scum here.

[Nancy Drew 39]

P.edit. @ganski, your reads can’t be right if you have 3/4 of the neighbourhood as scum.

[Nancy Drew 39]

i got back

my target last night was hebichan for anyone wondering
did not really have much of a reason for it as i legitimately thought there would not be duplicate jailkeepers in this game and based most of my reads off of that [ i referenced that with the 90% chance instead of 100% but all in all i did not seriously consider this outcome playing out ]

I have no NAs, so feel free to JK me tonight.

[Nancy Drew 39]

i got back

my target last night was hebichan for anyone wondering
did not really have much of a reason for it as i legitimately thought there would not be duplicate jailkeepers in this game and based most of my reads off of that [ i referenced that with the 90% chance instead of 100% but all in all i did not seriously consider this outcome playing out ]

I have no NAs, so feel free to JK me tonight.

i got back

my target last night was hebichan for anyone wondering
did not really have much of a reason for it as i legitimately thought there would not be duplicate jailkeepers in this game and based most of my reads off of that [ i referenced that with the 90% chance instead of 100% but all in all i did not seriously consider this outcome playing out ]

I was feeling pretty good about hebi being town, even before I read this.

[Nancy Drew 39]

@Wagonomics, can you do another

stock

scummmarket anyalysis again? I found those enormously helpful, eventhough my potato coin crashed and burned. :/

[Nancy Drew 39]

votecount 2.03

2 players voting for sheepsaysmeep (Purrcocet, Varsoon)
2 players voting for Varsoon (light_ganski, sheepsaysmeep)
1 player voting for Theta Alpine (Gamma Emerald)
1 player voting for Kokichi Oma (singletonking)
1 player voting for Gamma Emerald (Wisdom)
1 player voting for Jaylow7 (Party Boat)

13 players not voting (Kokichi Oma, Vaxkiller, Ausuka, hebichan, TheBrie, 0verki11, Theta Alpine, Xtoxm, Edosurist, Jaylow7, vonflare, Nancy Drew 39, Wagonomics)

with 21 votes, it takes 11 to lynch.

mod notes: I sent out some prods, although obviously a lot of those are probably to folks who've been busy with the holidays. 0verki11 requested replacement, so I'm searching for one now.

I think sheep is probably town. Why is Gamma voting Theta? Dafuq???

[Nancy Drew 39]

P.edit. @ganski, your reads can’t be right if you have 3/4 of the neighbourhood as scum.

yh I realised this as I was doing it. either one of my weak scum options on this is town (which is why I would want to lynch in strong scum and try to get more info before lynching weak reads) OR have you considered the possibility (if this is multiball which I think is very likely) that the neighbourhood is structured like: 2 scum team A, 1 scum team B, 1 townie?

Well, I might if the neighbourhood didn’t seem like it was the only one in the game. It’s literally just called “neighbourhood” and nothing else, which leads me to believe that it really is just a neighbourhood. I have no idea how all of the neighbours were chosen - was it random or deliberate?

[Nancy Drew 39]

Apologies for the lack of posts.. a combination of holiday responsibilities (this year was my turn to host the yearly family gathering) and a dead computer got in the way. I'll have a largish catchup/reads post tonight after I get home from work and get the computer fixed.

I’ll be looking forward to this.

[Nancy Drew 39]

list of people who should be purged immediately:

Kokichi Oma
Vaxkiller
hebichan
TheBrie
singletonking
Theta Alpine
Jaylow7
vonflare
sheepsaysmeep

my neighbors can be spared the purging as i would like to play my role, but yes i am aware scum exists in there

I think Single, hebi and sheep are town. Probably The Brie and Theta too.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Apologies for the lack of posts.. a combination of holiday responsibilities (this year was my turn to host the yearly family gathering) and a dead computer got in the way. I'll have a largish catchup/reads post tonight after I get home from work and get the computer fixed.

This had better be worth the wait.

Still nothing.

[Nancy Drew 39]

So this has started...

I will in general be most active on the weekends until the end of the year. The holiday season is always super busy for me.

No real reads yet except one, not much of note has been said beyond the neighborhood claim and recent setup spec discussion, by the same person...

who is the one person I have a solid read on right now.

VOTE: Varsoon

Apologies for the lack of posts.. a combination of holiday responsibilities (this year was my turn to host the yearly family gathering) and a dead computer got in the way. I'll have a largish catchup/reads post tonight after I get home from work and get the computer fixed.

votecount 2.04

3 players voting for Varsoon (light_ganski, sheepsaysmeep, vonflare)
3 players voting for Gamma Emerald (Wisdom, Ausuka, Trekkie99)
3 players voting for Jaylow7 (Party Boat, Wagonomics, singletonking)
2 players voting for sheepsaysmeep (Purrcocet, Varsoon)
1 player voting for Theta Alpine (Gamma Emerald)

9 players not voting (Kokichi Oma, Vaxkiller, hebichan, TheBrie, Theta Alpine, Xtoxm, Edosurist, Jaylow7, Nancy Drew 39)

with 21 votes, it takes 11 to lynch.

mod notes: sent out some more prods! every prod is special and unique except sometimes I send out the same one to a bunch of people at once

That was 4 days ago, he made that post, December 26th.

VOTE: Jaylow7

[Nancy Drew 39]

I continue not liking gamma and kokichi but gamma more so

Oh, why not Kokichi?

[Nancy Drew 39]

That doesn't answer my question.

Why do you think theta should be lynched today vs wait for her to be night killed? If she is not night killed soon enough, then we can assume it to be more likely that she is scum and not town and then we can lynch her.

Trekkie, probably town.

[Nancy Drew 39]

trekkie's right a jailkeeper is self resolving

might not be the case if you keep repeating it like that but yeah lynch outside of that at least today

Sheep, still town.

[Nancy Drew 39]

jesus christ can you stop asking the same question over and over?
he's not saying today
he's saying at some point before the game ends

And even if that's the case, the fact still exists that he wanted to lynch theta today. Saying "I changed my mind" doesn't answer my question.

Looks more like you’re skirting around the answer
I want to lynch him today because he needs to be lynched at some point and today resolves it quickly
Like, Xtoxm’s explanation is correct and you acting like it doesn’t answer your question is bad and makes me think you’re just nagging at me to look busy

No, Trekkie and sheep are right, Theta is self-resolving and a she, btw.

[Nancy Drew 39]

VOTE: Kokichi
Following Xtox

VOTE: Sheepsaysmeep

Okay so a few things
Thing 1.
It's not a neighborhood. It's a masonry.
Thing 2.
Lynch that sheep loser.

can confirm

Why are you guys suddenly posting like you’re twinsies or something?

[Nancy Drew 39]

My comment of when to lynch Theta was strangely relevant considering I hadn't read recently. As a btw, my general feeling on Theta was town, but continuing to assume town as the game goes on, is too high a risk. The reason I think it was a genuine CC, is because Leo probably would have been lynched without it, so scum wouldn't be stupid enough to CC. Unless it's some weird town-cred gambit, that i really don't see coming from Theta.

I like trekkie's entrance and analysis, though he does seem to have been a bit stuck on getting that answer from Emerald. Agree about Vonfalre's claim seeming genuine.

I'm was liking Kokichi better than I did before, as he's at least doing a good job of explaining some of his actions. But reading the older posts makes me doubt again. It's interesting to note that Sheep is defending him now, and they were town reading each other on the previous day. They were both talking about Leo a lot, but didn't really interact with each other much.
Xtoxm hasn't really explained why he thinks Kokichi is scum, or why anyone is on his purge list. His play style annoys me. And Varsoon is just sheeping xtoxm.
I still am confused by both of them claiming the neighbourhood is a masonry, and Nancy saying that it's not.


Ganski seems good.

The neighbourhood is 100% NOT a masonry.

And still tr you.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Oh, and Jaylow is certainly not improving. Where is that catchup?

Who knows?

[Nancy Drew 39]

my neighbors can be spared the purging as i would like to play my role, but yes i am aware scum exists in there

this gives me super bad vibes

im just gonna put you in the scum pool this game because i feel like trying to work with you will not be worth the headache

Disagreeing is scummy, how?

[Nancy Drew 39]

jesus christ can you stop asking the same question over and over?
he's not saying today
he's saying at some point before the game ends

And even if that's the case, the fact still exists that he wanted to lynch theta today. Saying "I changed my mind" doesn't answer my question.

Looks more like you’re skirting around the answer
I want to lynch him today because he needs to be lynched at some point and today resolves it quickly
Like, Xtoxm’s explanation is correct and you acting like it doesn’t answer your question is bad and makes me think you’re just nagging at me to look busy

No, Trekkie and sheep are right, Theta is self-resolving and a she, btw.

Self-resolving how

If she is town Jailkeep, scum doesn’t let her get anywhere near LYLO.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Self-resolving how

Why are you asking that now?

VOTE: Theta
While his CC was odd I really feel like we need to follow this other wise we set a bad precendent, plus if we’re wrong it says a lot about the setup

This lynch is unnecessary. If theta is town she will be killed soon enough by scum because of her claim, and if she's scum then we'll have a more concrete read on her if she's still alive in the next day or two because obviously scum can't kill their teammates (of course that is unless this is indeed multiball).

That doesn't answer my question.

Why do you think theta should be lynched today vs wait for her to be night killed? If she is not night killed soon enough, then we can assume it to be more likely that she is scum and not town and then we can lynch her.

+1

[Nancy Drew 39]

Because I am tired of people saying it's self-resolving. Like, sure if we lynch a significant amount of scum it'll self-resolve. But that needs to happen first. If we fail that, scum don't have to worry about getting pinned down as much and can leave the JK alive.

Well, I don’t care if you’re tired of it or not. the fact remains that is and I’m not wasting a lynch on that.

If Theta is telling the truth, scum isn’t going to let her live very long anyway, so why help scum by possibly giving them a free kill and a hard claimed PR at that?

[Nancy Drew 39]

The neighbourhood is 100% NOT a masonry.

And still tr you.

I 100% believe you. But what do you think about of Varsoon and xtoxm claiming it is? Everyone seems to be ignoring the fact that this disagreement is here, and I don't know why.

VOTE: Kokichi

uuugh it feels like there's six-seven people trying to play a 20 player game

friends please come in and do things

I'm frankly pretty fine not lynching either of Gemerald or Kokichi over a lurker atm, esp. Jaylow (and I feel that wagonomics is pretty town and from his lurkercoin list Edo also feels like a fine choice)

If I understand you correctly, you'd rather lynch a lurker than a scummy (or not so scummy) player? The wording was just slightly unclear.

at least what gammas doing wrt theta

rarely every vote there while varsoon is literally just skating by doing nothing

This pretty much wrt varsoon lynch > gamma lynch

Agree, though what Gamma is doing amounts to little more than nothing.

my neighbors can be spared the purging as i would like to play my role, but yes i am aware scum exists in there

this gives me super bad vibes

im just gonna put you in the scum pool this game because i feel like trying to work with you will not be worth the headache

You're reading people as scum, just because they get a bad feeling about you, and it's too hard to work with them? Seriously? That's not a real read. Are you every trying to convince anyone?

VOTE: Xtoxm

I don’t know what to make of it honestly. I know if it was a real masonry, it would be a terrible idea to out it. It just seems to be Xtoxm and Varsoon doing it. Maybe it’s a gag or something?

It makes me somewhat uncomfortable, since it obviously involves me. \_0_/

[Nancy Drew 39]

gamma works, vax doesnt

Why?

What makes you do sure, this is scum!Gamma here?

[Nancy Drew 39]

I have another thing or two to say about the whole dumb situation that just happened but I'd also very much like the lurkers to come out and play too so ima chill for a day or two and then say it so if they have any reads/insight they want to share I don't crowd them out too bad

I fiind it extremely hard to get into this game, tbh.

I personally would have perferred 4 different 2 person hoods, to 1 4 person hood. You can actually get useful info in a 1+1 scenario but it’s just seems kind of pointless here and other than the hood, I have nothing else to do.

[Nancy Drew 39]

It's been really hard for me to engage with this game; that much should be obvious.
I'd been considering replacing out for some time already.
I really don't handle large games like this very well.

You didn't make me replace out, though, I just think that it's impossible to continue playing this when we haven't resolved issues that are still lingering between us. There shouldn't be that kind of bias or animosity between players when they are in a game like this--it's what led to the issues I had before and it'll only lead to more if I continue to play in this game.

It's not really a matter of 'not bringing it up'. I'd appreciate being able to come to some resolution, and, failing that, I'd like to become a better person if I really am seen as less than decent.

Cool.
I just hope you understand, 'cus it's like:
At some point, I'm going to have to make a judgment about what your alignment is.
Regardless of what decision I make, it's going to be colored by that out of game bias.
Because of this lingering issue, further issues may occur, and I really don't want to see a repeat of what's already happened in the past.
For what it's worth, I think you're a good dude and I've enjoyed playing games with you so far.
So it feels really crummy to let you down.

UNVOTE:
I think your reasoning for replacing out is kinda towny so I'll remove my vote.
Thinking about whether I want to vote Kokichi or sheep rn

JMO, but Varsoon doesn’t seem nearly invested enough to be scum here but still townreading sheep. In the last 3 games I’ve played with scum!Varsoon, he was way more calculating than this.

@Varsoon. please reconsider your replace out. :/

It’s damn frustrating that I’m so totally lost in this game.

[Nancy Drew 39]

2019-01-03 -

no deadlines mafia

Moderator:

xyzzy

Status:

day 2, 55 pages

Replacing:

Varsoon

did you know? doctors report that players who replace into no deadlines mafia are more attractive, more virile, and have longer lifespans than their peers.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I don’t like being in a 4 person hood. It messes with your reads. I know it definitely did in Labrynth.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Because I’m not really the biggest fan of his reaction to the claim
Also out of the options with momentum it’s the one I feel best about

i thought sheep's reaction to varsoon's claim on him was pretty alignment-null until sheep claimed vanilla and said he was fine getting lynched since it would mean varsoon/xtomx would get lynched after and that looked moderately town

what are your specific thoughts on it?

This is definitely town!sheep. But even if I couldn’t read him off of meta, he is obvtown also by play.

[Nancy Drew 39]

isoing low posters and got to you ausuka, and i dont feel one way or the other... so...

VOTE: ausuka.

hmm purrecet aint bad either

Pretty sure Purr is town and why do you ever vote a null poster?

[Nancy Drew 39]

gl trying to reason with them

bullet points
your slot is locktown
sheep is scum
theta is scum
party boat is scum
vonflare claimed scum so im assuming he also is scum
most of the people in this game are scum tbh

p-ed
check starcraft mafia that just ended where koki fakeclaimed ic

I’m pretty sure sheep is town. As for Starcraft, Kokichi wasn’t lying about being IC, he just omitted adding he was IC macho mayor.

Why do you scumread PB?

Wrt Theta, I still maintain she is self-resolving.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I could see Sheep scum.

Hey, sheep, remember Magical Stories Mafia? You were my buddy there. You’re similar here.

Thoughts?

Link? I want to verify that for myself. since he reads to me as town, tonally.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I could see Sheep scum.

Hey, sheep, remember Magical Stories Mafia? You were my buddy there. You’re similar here.

Thoughts?

Link? I want to verify that for myself. since he reads to me as town, tonally.

It was reaction testing. I said it somewhere last page.

Yes and I would really appreciate the link.

[Nancy Drew 39]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=127&t=74682

This was also one of the last games I was lynched in.2018 did well for me here.

Post Post #1006 (isolation #136) » January 24th, 2018, 10:06 pm

if momo is scum i will livestream myself eating my shoes ~ sheepsaysmeep

[Nancy Drew 39]

I just can’t get into this game, I’m so bored. It just seems like practically nothing is happening. Varsoon fake cop drama, is the most exciting thing to happen in this game, so far. :/

[Nancy Drew 39]

I'm A-ok waiting for a replacement for Jay-Coin's representative, and I still would rather see the returns on a LAL investment than see a buyout of VarsoonCoin's new rep personally.

Yeah do another scum market thingie. I need something to help keep me awake.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Flavors posting has been fine so far but I don't see anything that couldn't come from scum just genuinely looking for another scumteam

I can elaborate on this later if anyone wants but I really really dislike varsoon trying to excuse his earlier lurking/bad play with the cop claim when he was claiming it, and considering how adamant he seemed about sheep being scum and that his reason for claiming it was 'proving me wrong' about people being willing to vote sheep I really don't see why sheep claiming vanilla would give varsoon a town read on him - I think it's more likely that varsoon originally thought sheep was probable other scumteam and the unvote after the unclaim was just to try to stay alive when his claim started to fall apart.

actually i have one more thing I want to add to this

Most of the Varsoon/Gemerald conversation right as varsoon replaced out I think WAS genuine on varsoon's part but was also based on shit that is not relevant to varsoon's alignment (varsoon being genuinely upset about gemerald's 'as a person you're worse than me' comment)

Like the only reason I think could be legit to read varsoon as town for replacing out there is just: it would be shitty of varsoon to botch a fakeclaim as scum and then dump it on a replacement.
But I also think regardless of his alignment that varsoon has both not really been into this game and didn't want to deal with Gemerald negatively, and I kind of doubt he'd take this into serious consideration compared to those first two things but he also could have thought as scum that he was almost certainly going to get lynched for fakeclaiming and botching it if he stayed in the game but there'd be a reasonable chance of a replacement turning things around for his playerslot/team.

Botched being the operative word, here. I dunno, I’ve never faked a guilty ever. Anyway, I’m pretty sure sheep is always town here and I believe his vt claim.

[Nancy Drew 39]

flavor's posting is terrible


it's painfully wolfy how much emphasis he puts on the fact that he should be townread

Tbf sheep, that isn’t a good reason to sr anyone. I do that all the time. I would view that as NAI, unless you have meta on a slot that says otherwise.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I was hoping flavor leaf would grant me the death i have been longong for

You haven’t pinged me as scum.

If you side with me, you have a better chance at dying in the night, though, because scum are going to kill within the people who aren’t scum reading me to weaken me.

Sorry Purr, but I call dibs on being tonight’s NK. If I don’t get NK’d soon, I’m probably replacing out of this game.

Yeah, Purr is definitely town here but they’ll have to just suffer until N3.

[Nancy Drew 39]

why is gamma town

I just don’t think gamma acts the way he did towards Varsoon as scum. He even unvoted near the end which meant he knew it was more personal. ScumGamma isn’t controlled by emotions.

You don’t think he could replicate that as scum though? I dunno, I am emotional as any alignment. But interesting point, anyway.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I’m actually a jester/lyncher hybrid who wins by achieving one of those wincons. It doesn’t end the game.

Which is why I know scum’s on my wagon.

How does that work exactly?

And what is your explanation for Varsoon fakeclaiming cop?

[Nancy Drew 39]

I get to tree stump if I get my lynch, though.

If it is even more possible to get a more boring role than that in this game, I can’t figure out what.

[Nancy Drew 39]

@Sheep/PB - As town, because I know I’m town and that you guys have a hard tunnel read, probably based on Varsoon antics, what would you like me to do to work with you to show you that i am town? If you say nothing I can do, that is actively playing against a town wincon because you should ALWAYS be open to the idea that you are wrong.

You both are stuck on ONE single person, and that is incredibly poor play. Even if you think I’m scum, you need to consider the fact you are wrong, and try to find other scum as well. This isn’t a 1 scum game.

Now stop tunneling, stop being lazy, and find scum.

If you think I’m scum, fine, let me know what TownMe can do to help show you that I’m town. Because not accepting that is just pigheaded playing.

This is literally the only post I have that talks about your tunnel. And it’s not even the entirety of the post. You were blatantly misrepping and pushing everything aside as an attempt to discredit.

And that makes sheep scum fypov, rather than just wrong, how?

[Nancy Drew 39]

i am afraid i just do not have the capacity to play this game for the time being
i have been getting over an addiction and for the past few days my mind has felt like it is falling apart

xyzzy please replace me out

Feel better.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Spoiler:

Vonflare’s probably town from what I saw. He probably saw a wagon and just decided to jump on. Scum Vonflare would have done the same, but I expect Vonflare to move his vote soon, so

Ausuka and Wisdom being away from Varsoon wagon implies town. They’re on the wagon Varsoon is going after, and Varsoon would have been a high profile lynch. Both of them can carry a scum game single handedly, and I don’t see them not allowing Varsoon to go through.

They might stay away from it, sure, but I don’t see them adding pressure away from it.

I was going to say I actually was scum reading Gamma based on his varsoon exchange, but his Unvote on replace made Gamma realize it was emotions speaking into reads.

Scum Gamma is robotical. More mechanic and logic’s based than emotion.

I’ll soul read him as town for now. Plus, I like working with Gamma, so that’s a plus, alongside him already on sheep. I think

I just won a town newbie game where Trekkie was scum, and I don’t think she’s scum here. She was very timid, and became incredibly obvious scum. I thought it could have been newbie hesitation, but it was newbscum, and it’s just a little different here. I actually would have found it scummier had they posted and not been on Varsoon.

I dont like his opening. :/

But I don't like vax more

Don’t focus on Vax. He gains nothing from town reading me the way he did and retracting a claim.

I think this is most likely coming from town you, though, regardless if you’re lying about your stuff.

I’m reading Alonzo as town.

Varsoon’s an excellent scum player; the fact that he was being pushed for fake guiltying someone like that is ridiculous imo.

He had 8 votes on him while in a 1v1 with Gamma, Gamma i voted with Wisdom and Ausuka on Gamma shows how ridiculous that wagon on Varsoon was.

Let’s see...

Gamma
Xtoxm
Trekkie
Vaxkiller
Nancy for the most part
I guess Kokichi
Alonzo

Those are the town reads I’ pretty solid with right now.

@Singleton/BNL - you seem to be fence sitting a lot. You’re pretty passive, I get it, but I am getting paranoia from you. I felt like you were waiting around to see where the consensus on me was going before committing rather than trying to get a read on me, so I am lean scum reading you, however I know it’s in your personality anyways, which is why I’m not fully committing, but you did become my strongest opinionated read.

Light Ganski, you’re scummy too.

Pretend I’m 100% town confirmed to you, who’s scum?

Town

ganski
theta alpine
hebichan
wagonomics after the claim

Weak town

the brie
sheep
nancy drew
singletonking (I guess? this is barely more than null)
ausuka (my gut was scum but I don't trust my gut)

Eh

vaxkiller
wisdom
kokichi

Weak scum

purrcocet (again... barely more than null)
party boat
gamma emerald
0verkill
xtoxm

Scum

jaylow (his one post was godawful)
vonflare (this one is for the death miller claim then disappearing, should policy lynch if we don't decide on anyone else)
varsoon

Puts Varsoon, Vonflare, and a lurker as the scum, and then has xtoxm, Gamma, and party in lean scum.

Vonflare is lynchbait, party vs Varsoon are going at each other while in same neighborhood, xtoxm doesn’t make sense as scum with varsoon, that’s way too buddy buddy, and Gamma is the counter wagon.

VOTE: Light

I’m going to here. I await your response.

theta probably doesnt cc as scum

VOTE: gamma

Catching up on the game, and this post here gives some town credit to both Theta and Wisdom.

I agree, Theta likely doesn’t cc as scum, and Wisdom then goes to gamma, not who theta CC’d, meaning he wasn’t even trying to mislynch someone.

Wisdom is someone I try not to throw out a town read on, because I’m always paranoid of him.

I’m going to look into Wisdom a bit more.

Scum!varsoon outs the hood for towncred and to raise the overall likelihood of one of his townie neighbours being lynched?

Town!varsoon outs the hood for... what reason? Its useful to know who's in it but surely that negates it's usefulness to a town player for in-hood reads. Someone hmo on this one

I hard disagree with this.

I’ve done so much damage as scum in neighborhoods by keeping it closed off.

Ask Gamma.

I had a mod create a day Neighborizer role, and they Neighborizer scum me Day 1, and the mod in the spectator thread goes “well, there goes my unique role.”

This was just Light trying to create some weak mislynch case way back then.

It is completely NAI to put a neighborhood like that. Especially considering Varsoon didn’t even go after his neighborhood. He was actively giving the rest of the game more information.

Wisdom/Ausuka are a step below my other town reads because they actively were going against Varsoon wagon, albeit indirectly.

I think either of them would have played in a way to let that go through, even if they were doing it nonchalantly.

I have a bad feeling in my stomach that Hebichan is scum. </3. Especially with her early talk about reluctantly town reading Sheep.

I’m going to make an estimated guess of Light, Sheep, Hebichan. I feel I’m getting pretty close with the money.

@Hebi - you’ve been off site for a bit, so you probably won’t see that for a while, but let’s do this buddy system thing again. This time, you can be the last scum standing.

why is gamma town

I just don’t think gamma acts the way he did towards Varsoon as scum. He even unvoted near the end which meant he knew it was more personal. ScumGamma isn’t controlled by emotions.

You said I haven’t done anything but talk about your loltunneling, right? You literally brought up the ratio of content.

I had one post about you guys tunneling.

All these posts hasn’t nothing to do with anyone tunneling on me. At all. This was actively me analyzing elsewhere, regardless of what you think my alignment is, this is a fact that I was putting content out there.

You have blatantly misrepped me and attempted discredited me for the last time.

You wanna know how you discredit people? You show them definitive proof. You are caught scum.

Again, how does this make sheep scum, rather than wrong? Why couldn’t you both be town here?

[Nancy Drew 39]

your analysis is ~nai idt anything outside of your scumrange

Literally nothing is out of my scum range, this can’t really be used as an excuse. You gotta actually analyze and do the work.

Why is it more likely to come from scum than town? Explain this stuf. Stop being lazy if you’re actually town.

Sheep is tonally town here. I’ve played numerous games with him.

[Nancy Drew 39]

we're not lynching a fucking jailkeeper claim today

we're not lynching a fucking inno child claim today

end of story or village is throwing

why is this a conversation that even needs to be had

Im sick of his ic claims
I'll believe it when the mod says it not before
If you have a better idea then build a wagon

Lies. This might be scum. I've only claimed IC as IC before

This is definitely town!sheep and I think Kokichi might also be town here as well.

[Nancy Drew 39]

tbh I feel Xtomx just coming in and saying something most people disagree with and then leaving again is townier than what varsoon's doing atm

a lot of it is b/c I have way higher expectations for varsoon than the borderline nothing he's done this game since early d1 but like I very much expected varsoon to actually have shit to say about the game by this point

Sheep is clearly obtvtown here. I’m not liking the pushes on him.

[Nancy Drew 39]

What why are people shedding light on Kokichi's claim????
If people think Kokichi is fakeclaiming we lynch him tomorrow? No point lynching him today.

He recently got mislynched as IC in Starcraft 1. He was an IC macho mayor, which caused some confusion.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I was hoping flavor leaf would grant me the death i have been longong for

You haven’t pinged me as scum.

If you side with me, you have a better chance at dying in the night, though, because scum are going to kill within the people who aren’t scum reading me to weaken me.

to kill me u need all 7 dragon balls and a pack of newport 100s


VOTE: sheep

Its like, Sheep, Wisdom, Kokichi that's where im comfy rn

also hebi
come back please
you are the light that this town was missing

besides light ganski

Because of bad potato push?

Wrt Wisdom and Kokichi.

Agree, that hebi is probably town. I dunno, I think she siteflaked or something?

[Nancy Drew 39]

you cant assume that if my read doesnt change that means i'll never reconsider my read that's bullshit

i dont post every thought i have


i'll respond to a case if anyone cares about it
i havent seen anything agianst me that isnt crap

Scum!sheep doesn’t fake this kind of outrage.

[Nancy Drew 39]

purr do you want to try talking abotu people who arent me

u should feel bad for pocketing someone as innocent as ND39

<3

Purr, he isn’t pocketing me. I’m simply good at reading him based off of tone.

[Nancy Drew 39]

i dunno nance

burn those bridges when we cross them or however the saying goes
wisdom is forgotten hourglass'ing again
kokichi isn't a day 3 ic, lol.

tone reading is bad in general


.....

Kokichi was IC mayor in Starcraft 1 and he claimed Day 2 or 3 IC, iiirc.

Tell me how Wisdom’s play here reminds you of FH.

I disagree wrt to tonereading. It is extremely accurate with some players. Sheep is a really good example of this. His tone is completely different as scum. I had trouble reading him at first but after playing numerous games with him, I figured out that he was readable by tone.

And like I keep saying, he is tonally town here

[Nancy Drew 39]

VOTE: Flavor Leaf

I was tr Varsoon but FL is pulling the same kind of crap on me, he did in Overkill 2 and he’s never fucking fooling me again.

I’m referring to the hood. This is a big part of why I want to replace out, ever since Varsoon replaced out.

[Nancy Drew 39]

VOTE: Flavor Leaf

I was tr Varsoon but FL is pulling the same kind of crap on me, he did in Overkill 2 and he’s never fucking fooling me again.

I’m referring to the hood. This is a big part of why I want to replace out, ever since Varsoon replaced out.

This is scum!FL through and through. Town!him would never strongarm and bully me this way. Town!FL is never manipulative like this.

[Nancy Drew 39]

@mod, can you remove me from the hood, it’s not friendly there anymore. :/

[Nancy Drew 39]

@mod, can you remove me from the hood, it’s not friendly there anymore. :/

Am I allowed to direct quote from the neighbourhood? Yes or no? I want everyone to know exactly the kind of shit, FL is trying to pull in our hood.

If he have the audacity to post here what he did in there, he’d be quicklynched in no time flat but he thinks he can pressure me and threaten me into sr sheep and it ain’t fucking happening FL. You aren’t scaring me but I’m uberpissed that you really thought I was that fucking stupid, that you could get away with this crap, twice in a row.

I played with town!you in YGM and you never once tried to pull this shit on me. It’s not fucking working, so get the fuck off of me!