no deadlines mafia [game over]

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Gimme a couple days to catch up, I'll work on it, though.

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5 pages in and still seeing new players post. What have I gotten myself into.

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124 makes profii look bad...

profii is dead... that makes varsoon look bad

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I'm on Page 21 - sheep and nancy look like town

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Party boat and varsoon also look good

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Should I claim now, or at L-1?

If you have a claim, better do it ASAP. Why would you want to give scum a chance to hammer?

ew.

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Why? What’s wrong with this?

Prolly should have waited til reads were dropped to see if people still wanted to L-1 him prior to claiming, just for preservation purposes.

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Why? What’s wrong with this?

Prolly should have waited til reads were dropped to see if people still wanted to L-1 him prior to claiming, just for preservation purposes.

I was trying to suggest that he claims before he is at risk of being hammered because in SC1, Mew waited to claim at L-1 and got mislynched, which probably wouldn’t have happened, had he claimed earlier.

Oh I see. Alright, thanks.

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via Imgflip Meme Generator

I am trying to catch up eventually, I'm V/LA this weekend, though until Tuesday.

In other news, I like Wagonomics for town.

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Let's just quickly make sure the game isn't going to fall apart and...

votecount 2.16

8 players voting for Saudade (Wagonomics, Nancy Drew 39, TheBrie, light_ganski, Trekkie99, Party Boat, mastina, vonflare)

mod notes: if Saudade doesn't show up in the next day or so he will be replaced.

Wow. Alright. Someone explain why we're wagoning the lurker?

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anyway, idrc
im not voting her to get her lynched, im voting her to say that i spent the game voting her and calling her confscum while being ignored

So you don't care about getting a scum lynch, you care about voteparking on scum
this feels like scum who wants VCA points
VOTE: Xtoxm

It’s not VCA points. Mastina’s scum.

If mastina is scum, it actually makes my reasoning stronger. Nice try.

Explain this, please (I know I'm coming at today by reading the end and the beginning and slowly approaching the middle, but I'm trying to keep up).


I really liked mastina's approach w/ the VCA.

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So xtoxm read on mastina is based on mastina's meta read of xtoxm?

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you liked the busywork that is identical as all alignments?
good to know youre an easy pocket

Wow, you're easy to rile. Please case mastina, if my previous assumption wasn't true.

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I apologize for the haphazard manner with which I have been catching up.

I am townreading Saudade not off of the slot's content--but general thread feelings about the slot compared to Ausuka. There's a term for that, but I can't quite remember it. Essentially, my sense of situational awareness screamed at me, "THE SCUM ARE DIVIDING THEMSELVES BECAUSE THEY DON'T CARE". And they wouldn't care only if both wagons were a mislynch.

This is why I haven't unvoted. I don't vote townreads that I am townreading off of play, but I'm not townreading Saudade on play. I could always be wrong. My analysis had Saudade as a decent candidate for being scum by play, and that's why I'm staying for now. I am hoping I am wrong. I am hoping that Saudade's slot is scum.

By "general thread feelings" are you saying your particular feelings are the cause of your failure to scumread the slot? Or are you reading the slot based on the feelings of the other players in the thread?

As far as your indications from situational awareness - if I understand correctly, the to be thinking things like this, you must have a relatively confident idea of how large the scum team is, and likely even an idea of it's composition, but I saw nothing in your ISO about these matters. Please talk more about this.

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Unless this is your way of saying you think there's a scum team of six?

Trekkie99
Gamma Emerald
TheBrie
singletonking
Saudade
Xtoxm

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Don't claim. Especially with some pressure (I haven't been paying as much attention as I should be, but I have noticed that at least mastina thinks your lynch is bad) we can get a wagon going in a different direction.

I'll show up in a p big way hopefully some time tomorrow and get things going in a strong direction.

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mastina is slowly losing towncred.

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mastina is slowly losing towncred.

great

minds

investors buy alike?

Pretty sure that's insider trading, but I only have contextual clues on what insider trading is, so I won't tell if you won't?

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Don't confuse the metaphors, insider trading is scum bussing scum.

Apologies, I'm not up to date on my lingo.

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Purr is town, FL is town, Xtoxm is... interesting. Also not particularly fond of Dan Lynch, looking more closely at ausuka. For now,

VOTE: Mastina

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Agree with the bolded. I really don’t understand the Ausuka push at all.

Beetlejuicing-ish, LHF, inconsistently treating different players attributing the same behaviors, and easily fakeable posts. TBF, no one has actually explained their SR there until now though.

What is beetlejucing and what is LHF?

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hi i'm alive.

starting to agree with people who say faster days are better. I haven't seen any questions but if there are any please remind me because I totally missed them sorry.

Leo isn't all that towny rn but at the same time he claimed JK and like if that's true lynching him is mega bad and also scum would sort him out later so idrk

Every time I ISO Ausu this pings me.

Why would short days be better if you didn't even participate in the first half of the day?

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@ausuka

how comfortable do you feel with this game right now?

If I told you you could lynch anyone right now who would you lynch?

If I told you you could save anyone right now who would you save?

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Never said mastina was strong town read. I'm not fully caught up to game yet and I don't fully support mastina Lynch. I'm watching thread and plan on removing my vote if it gets too close to L-1 prior to me fully catching up.

Also mastina wagon is counter wagon to Dann, not other way around.

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I placed my vote mostly because of the dueling town wagons comment followed by a vote on one of the wagons instead of attempt to push in a different direction.

Also their posts have a strange... almost emotionless vibe unless the player themselves is under question.

This, however, is the big reason my vote is still where it is.

Spoiler:

Does mastina want people to invest in her coin?

To near a lynch, but not reaching a lynch, yes, actually.

Players near a lynch, being in the spotlight, have a chance to show their reads off--people actually listen, even if they normally wouldn't.

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FLs got tunnel vision making mastina maybe town. I haven't caught up yet and I'm not pushing a Lynch on someone I only have a kind of scum read on while we wait.

FL stop ignoring me. Saude wagon came first, mastina wagon was response. Fix your reads.

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Literally never changed your read to fit that at all.

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I'm getting there, GE. FL you can't just drop a story for scum, find out your story is wrong and go "oh well, still scum"

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I'm gonna be honest of living players I have reads on like six. I had decent reads on potato and cheeks til I found out they were dead.

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You didn't catch shut you just hate being wrong.

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The Mastina wagon happened over like three days how is that resistance?

I'm not flipping Martina right now. You're super eager for a Lynch and we're nowhere near deadline. Back off.

PEdit: the game thread is a hundred plus pages and growing faster than I can read. I was in the middle of something else when it started. I joined cuz xyzzy begged me to. Yeah I'm not particularly dedicated.

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Naw, admitting part of your argument is screwed is way different than admitting your whole perspective was wrong.

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Your case against mastina is she talks mechanics/agenda.

That's it. That's your whole case. Stop pretending like you have something real, you even admitted the case was p meh.

Just cuz I townread you doesn't mean I think you're smart or I trust your confbiased reads. ISOing you reads like this

"case is meh"
"I think she could be scum cuz she talks mechanics over agenda"
"shes probs scum"
"shes defs scum"

You even made a comment about her wagon getting a bunch of resistance but it showed up in like the last three days.

You literally just grow in confidence w/ more people telling you're dumb.

Get this in your head: town!=good reads.

Want a good way to tell you're confbiased? You start calling everyone who disagrees with you scum.

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No, I know what your case is. I just don't think it's as compelling as you think it is. I also don't think it's a bad case. I think the rest of the wagon is poison. Which also isn't a reason to townread mastina, ftr. The whole point of leaving her alive for now is pretty much all due to the probable multiball nature of the game, and the fact that I want to leave the probable protective role alive because of it.

Wagon resistance isn't mastina, btw. It's sheep and ausuka.

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I'm not even full on disagreeing with you. She just hasn't done anything alignment indicative and we're not even near deadline yet. (ha)

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I’m not going to even respond to obvscumEnter.

I haven’t pushed she talks “agenda” you don’t talk that. You push that, and secretly.
Her play directly benefits a scum agenda.

You're so confident it's pushing me in the other direction.

Stop making excuses. If I'm obvscum.

Lynch me.

Over mastina.

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I'd have a hard time catching up anyways, I usually read people based on their interactions with me, and the game thread grows faster than I read.

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"I don't like it when people disagree w/ me so they're all scum"

Her play is pushing a town agenda as well. At least she doesn't sit in the thread and make passive comments or jump in once a day with a prodge.

Don't like waiting? How about taking a break for a bit and letting people catch up then?

PEdit: What pressure? It's just you ranting at whatever walks by. "come lynch mastina pls, I'm bored and want day to end"

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I can't get past surface level if I don't have time to keep track of all the players, much less keep track of their agendas.

Whatever. I'm gonna go read for a bit, I'll see you later.

(I didn't forget your question, GE)

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Ok so here's where I'm at on my reads. I am still behind and trying to catch up, but this is what I got off of ISO (and then jumping to places where it looked like I'd need more context)

GE:
Reads kinda town cuz her play is p towny (pushes reads, i can follow thought process, isn’t doing anything silly like buddying, not scum w/ purr cuz weird interaction), but then claims RB in game w/ 2jks

Overall don’t see scum motivation here, gonna say town for now

Xtomx:
Ugly replace out fake, “confscum” push on mastina (who flipped town and read him as scum)
Scummy

PB:
Seemed to go out of his way to be reasonable and amiable during the FL v ND fight, which comes from scum sometimes, I think. Also not seeing much thought past surface, but I could see slot being town? - nvm ausuka guiltied
Scummy

ND:
Towny - decent reasoning, ugly replace out request, shares thoughts like open book, i can follow thought p, don’t see an underlying motivation except maybe personal v FL? Seems p real tho

Wag:
Scummy - 2286 is kinda weird as well as 2559. 3p hunting… doesn’t nec come from town, also vonflare vote in 2508 is weird to me. Agrees w/ me on mastina in 2512, but seems to be wk-ing mastina in 2518, she doesn’t even show up in scums on 2879

Varsoon:
Weird cop fake, I think maybe it was town trying to get reads? Don’t like the replace out, tho…
Null-towny
FL:
1422 reads towny in it’s emotion to me, so I like it. It takes a lot of jumbo to lead town, I don’t think I blame for mastina lynch cuz sometimes when day goes long you get all messed up. He has a lot of town-feeling emotions, and while the ND stuff was weird I think I can see that also coming from town (maybe I’m biased off of varsoon play)
Town

Wisdom:
I like his thoughts, (I think) but he doesn’t invest much. I don’t see them do anything like super scummy, 2370 read as town to me
Town

Purr:
Seems genuinely invested in who does and does not get lynched, kinda gut read, but I’m reading as towny

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To answer GE's question if I could lynch four right now it would be pb -> wag -> xtomx -> vax

(mostly cuz Vax moves his vote around a lot, seems to not be really invested in the game, but I haven't really finished reading him so I'm not sure at this point and wouldn't really feel comfortable lynching)


also VOTE: Party boat

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To clear what I'm saying about Vax: he's not invested in getting reads is what I mean. not a lot of pushing, just a lot of placing votes

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VOTE: party boat[/vote]

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VOTE: party boat

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VOTE: ausuka

what a day.

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THANK GOD i didn't think i was going to get through that. I'm glad I went for the safe route of trying to get PB lynched first because if I didn't I had no chance at all.

I was day 3+ jester. i'm not that big a fan of my role design tbh; I had no wincon for two days and my wincon today actively misled me by incentivising me towards acting as scummy as possible, when that would make me lose the game with all the dayvigs around. It wasn't really any fun to play fmpov and as people noticed I had a hard time caring when I couldn't really do anything to advance my wincon for over two months.

You can believe me or not but you'll see when I flip so...

What a ridiculous setup. Explains all the day three vigs, I guess. Either this is really funny or I'm staying up WAY too late at night (or some combination).

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I don't know why you're voting, I'm p sure we're in twilight.

Also Trekkie is behaving similarly to the game I played with him recently, where I, too, was certain he was scum, but he was actually town. I think he's town here.

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I kind of get a gut feeling enter is town. I would say the bit where he said he enjoyed this is scummy but I don't really think scum would be so open about the fact.

{Brie, enter, kokichi} contains 0 scum if singleball or 1 if multiball I think so that pool (specifically the first two in this context and kokichi is towny anyway) isn't worth looking at right now. I think there isn't more than one dayvig in a scumteam. It's also possible somebody else had a vig shot but I was lynched before they used it I guess

pedit: Uhhh I didn't miscalculate did I? I was at L-2, 7 votes, 9 to lynch, Koki voted me, I selfhammered?

I just thought the setup was funny - I've never seen a jester before.

Also yeah, we're in twilight.

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To answer GE's question if I could lynch four right now it would be pb -> wag -> xtomx -> vax

(mostly cuz Vax moves his vote around a lot, seems to not be really invested in the game, but I haven't really finished reading him so I'm not sure at this point and wouldn't really feel comfortable lynching)


also VOTE: Party boat

Why Wag?

Mostly because he agreed w/ me on mastina looking kinda scummy but then didn't vote her seemed to be going for WK points.
I dont' follow the vonflare vote in 2508
Also he was 3p hunting earlier

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VOTE: wagonomics

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Have you played with Wisdom before, Enter?

No.

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If one flips scum I'll go back to this:

Also I dislike how Trekkie has popped in toDay twice already but has not said anything about the guilty

and more seriously consider the other.

Feels like p fake distancing.

I didn't agree that Varsoon was the one who should have flipped between GE/Varsoon, so when he went that direction... IDK. That could have been distancing.. or the other way. I'm honestly not sure.

I'll agree that STK looks p scummy, though.

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Naw. Even if STK flipped scum right now, I don't think I'd be willing to lynch Trekkie. I'd have to personally interact w/ him to know for sure (that's where my best reads are), but I still don't think Trekkie will flip anything but green.

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VOTE: xtomx

Gamma is town.

Also @FL you're always going to be more right than wrong on your town reads even flipping a coin

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@MOD I'm visiting family and moving overseas, so I'll be v/la until Feb 15

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Gamma is not town

Why not

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I'll case gamma either tonight or tomorrow if someone hasn't done so already by then, but she looks p town to me.

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Gamma is L-1.

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I don't see Gamma doing anything super towny so I can't argue against you, but xtomx looks scummier, just based on their interaction earlier.

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I don't like your end of the GE xtomx interaction earlier. Maybe just personal bias, but your response felt fake.

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This

why are YOU lying?
you are hard in my scum pool now
PBs summary clearly shows all of those things have already been said in main thread
nancy is scum with sheep and shes working hard to save him and misrepping FL

feels like overreaction to this

I feel like Nancy just massively misrepped FL, and is hiding behind "i'm not allowed to quote anything from the hood".

why would she do that when there are others in the hood who can call her out on it

Lucky for me, PB is actually telling the truth.

I don’t like that Xtoxm flat out lied about what FL said.

and this

i dont play mafia to be insulted.
fuck you.

mod replace me

an overreaction to this

hi i'm alive

fl is like, ok i guess? i still wanna lynch gamma, if xtoxm wagon is a thing i could do that too.

I think FL and Xtoxm are both scum or else Xtoxm wouldn’t be lying about me but Flavor is open wolfing in the hood. Lynch either one and guarandamnteed, the other Nks me tonight anyway.

I’m not sure about Gamma but FL and Xtoxm are outed scum now.

also:

you are a terrible person, gamma
i have never and never will replace strategically
VOTE: gamma
vote is unrelated to my reads

replacing out in games feels .. wrong to me.

I honestly don't want to rile any nerves and I really hope I'm not starting fights again by bringing this up, it's just the way you reacted felt... wrong.

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Spoiler:

votecount 4.03

4 players voting for Xtoxm (light_ganski, sheepsaysmeep, Gamma Emerald, Enter)
3 players voting for Gamma Emerald (Flavor Leaf, Wisdom, Xtoxm)
2 players voting for light_ganski (TheBrie, Purrcocet)
1 player voting for Wisdom (Nancy Drew 39)

3 players not voting (Kokichi Oma, vonflare, singletonking)

with 13 votes, it takes 7 to lynch.

mod notes: I fixed this votecount! before it was wrong but now it's less wrong

Then explain to me what gamma has done that you think is town so I can show you how its bullshit. Until then you are actively trying to help scum, especially seeing as you are not even pushing singleton or Brie.

Ok lets see the flip

VOTE: Gamma

Then explain to me what gamma has done that you think is town so I can show you how its bullshit. Until then you are actively trying to help scum, especially seeing as you are not even pushing singleton or Brie.

Ok lets see the flip

VOTE: Gamma

Okay, I’ll sheep you.

VOTE: Gamma

Oh, L-2.

Also going back and seeing FL self-vote and talk about mislynching again. ugh

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enter you shouldnt let ethical things affect town/scum reads

You might feel that replacing out is wrong but it doesnt indicate scum

Its just personality

idk. maybe i've seen too many tactical replaces.

that's fine I'll trust you for now.

VOTE: gamma

that's L-1

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i was genuinely upset at the time
im a sensitive guy i can overreact sometimes
its probably hard to see, especially for you not having been in the game yet at the time (i think?)
that vote on gamma was because he accused me of strategically replacing out
which is a really shitty thing to do like even if you think someones doing that saying it is just a dick move
i wasnt sr him at the time, it was an 'i dont like you' vote
and i said unrelated to me reads so people were clear on it

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if you put that aside and, hypothetically, assume i have not faked emotions in this game
is there anything left that makes you think im scum?

Ok, that's fair.
I guess I've seen too many tactical replaces for me to take a lot of them seriously. I'm sorry I don't mean to be mean personal with it.

You're right, I wasn't there, and understanding things like pacing and things are hard to follow when you aren't there to see the posts.

The only other thing I have in my notes on you is disliking your mastina push, but looking back on that it looks mostly like it was just OMGUS, and I can't call that straight scum.

I have a hard time reading players like you and wisdom where I don't feel like I'm getting complete thoughts from you, so I have to follow an arc.

I could see you as town.

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I'm honestly not certain how to read you, this game feels like a mess to me because I replaced in really recently and then yesterday with all the vigs was a pain to keep up with, my reads are mostly based on (relatively) quick ISOs of players, and that's frustrating because my best reads are direct interaction.

I'm sorry, I hate making excuses for shitty play.

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the mastina push was 100% omgus
she has been good at reading me in the past so i didnt buy her scumread on me
i still feel like she trolled me this game, like to mess up my ability to correctly sr her for pushing me or something

thanks for engaging with me

yeh, same.

I need shit like this to stay sane and keep my reads straight.

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Stop yelling at the sky and talk to me.

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I'm gonna be honest w/ you gamma, I'm not really interested in this day taking forever again. After the jester my enthusiasm kinda dropped and while your posts don't seem particularly scummy to me, I don't know you and you haven't done anything I've seen that's particularly town, either. So if you can give me really good reason to put my vote elsewhere, sure.

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I'm a two shot commuter. Brie is town. Why are we lynching light?

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Enter i get the impression you didnt read if you think brie is town
She accepted she is sk and agreed to shoot for us

I honestly haven't been, I'm sorry. I tried to ISO her and didn't see it, where is it?

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I think Singleton is L-1 unless I counted wrong. My phone is being a pain right now.

Also reread and I don't think brie claimed at all? Unless I'm dumb. I do agree that it would be weird for a BP to be anything other than SK.

Anyone have any qualms about me hammering?

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You know, I can be stupid sometimes. I really shouldn't have outed my BP. But I was trying to give the reasons I completely believe Wisdom's role claim. Since you're all so sure you've figured me out, I'm going to play along, and not bother trying to convince you that I'm just a night vig as well as a day3.

But I say it makes more sense to lynch the top scum-read so we've got one for certain. Then I shoot the the second. Unless you want to leave the top person so the other can't weasel their way out if the shot doesn't go through.

I think this is the infamous brie claim?

BP reliable vig in a game where the other vig is not bP and fruit enabled? Doesn't seem likely to be town.

Man I'm really glad that in mafia you die by Lynch and not guillotine, cuz when we have to kill SK, we will have cut the cheese. I'm sorry.

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VOTE: singletonking

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and yes like i said in my solve: singleton/xtoxm/purr

Based on the fact that we lynched single and he told brie to shoot xtoxm I think we can assume purr was his shot and maybe that's why he was rb'd?

And yeah I agree that we take our time today I haven't really been able to keep up with how fast the days have been.

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singletonking - VT
light_ganski - VT
sheepsaysmeep - VT

Trekkie99 - VT

Kokichi Oma - D3 vig

CheekyTeeky - D3 vig

TheBrie - Bulletproof SK and D3 vig

Dannflor - D3 vig

Gamma Emerald - Roleblocker
mastina - Jailkeeper
Leodanny - Jailkeeper

Flavor Leaf - Neighbor
Party Boat - Neighbor

Nancy Drew 39 - Neighbor
Xtoxm - Neighbor

Vaxkiller - Fruit vendor

Purrcocet - Fruit vendor
Wisdom - Fruit enabled vig

Enter - 2shot Commuter

Jingle - Triple voter
Wagonomics - 3month vig
profii - non consecutive JOAT

vonflare - Death miller

Ausuka - Jester

Wanna hear from sheep

Didn't someone have an ability that only happened after a month or something?

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Nancy is there a case on Brie past not voting single yesterday?

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I've been thinking more about this, and it seems that, based solely on role, it would make sense for a BP dayvig to be SK (in keeping with 3p being BP in a shot-heavy game) for them to have a chance at winning.

If Brie is SK she should probably claim, just because it will take any susp off her being maf and maf can't kill her and depending on number of maf we might need her vote as town anyways (Don't claim yet, cuz this idea might be dumb, I'm really bad at PR heavy games, this is like my second ever).

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Wait I'm dumb. Unvote brie, pls. I think she's p much confidence on our side cuz she shot xtoxm (I doubt wis shot the same person as he told brie to cuz what's the point)

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I said confidence, I mean confirmed.

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@Nancy last night we had three options:
Wisdom didn't shoot
Wisdom shot someone who was already getting shot
Wisdom got roleblocked

It just seems likely to me from wisdom's posts that he was trying to shoot purr (the last of the three he was calling scum) and that would imply that he was role blocked. And I doubt a town role blocker would pick wisdom.

Unless, I guess, Purr is a roleblocker as well as a fruit vendor and he knows he's town so he blocked wisdom from shooting him?

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Hi confused I'm the worst

ftr we almost certainly have exactly 3 scum left alive and xyzzy being xyzzy I wholeheartedly believe we might be looking at 2 groupscum

I'd rather keep an sk than groupscum around in prob-MyLo though so we're lynching to hit them

What are groupscum?

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I keep going back over Vonflare's claim and it really doesn't make sense with the setup, IMO.

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VOTE: Vonflare

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Thought we already did this
I'm a 2-shot commuter

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if we all just agree to have a truce for a week
that would be nice
i have other things i'd like to work on as well

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Two problems with your analysis, I think
1. Every flip so far has been mafia except vonflare, which just said werewolf instead of werewolf goon (is that typical)?

Spoiler:

singletonking has died, and was a mafia goon.

vonflare has died, and was a werewolf.

Dannflor has died, and was a mafia day 3 vigilante.

Purrcocet has died, and was a mafia fruit vendor.

2. And we know one team has a roleblocker, so for the scum team to be balanced, there would have to be two role blockers as well as two more werewolves, which means everyone but one person is mafia at this point.


Is it possible vonflare was actually a death Miller? I honestly think we could be down to maybe one scum left, given that brie wasn't rbd last night, which would suggest a 4p scum team and an SK maybe?

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Yeah. Honestly I'm starting to think vonflare's claim was real, cuz if he was on a 2p scum team w/ a role blocker, surely the roleblocker would have blocked brie?

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VOTE: light_ganski
VOTE: vote: the worst
busy irl but ama

Yeah. Honestly I'm starting to think vonflare's claim was real, cuz if he was on a 2p scum team w/ a role blocker, surely the roleblocker would have blocked brie?

considering the mod is xyzzy you're probably right. death miller that flips werewolf. not amused.

so we've got

roleblocker
serial killer
unlikely third scum
2-3 town

This seems more likely and a lot more winnable. RN I think town block = Nancy, me, maybe you? Brie is SK. At this point I think I'm OK with SK lynch? cuz we probably have like one more scum? Honestly not sure. I'm also pretty jet lagged ATM so forgive me if my thinkers not doing super hot

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Wow I'm tired. I meant to vote the worst cuz I was trying to talk to LG and he voted her but on second thought it was probably a bad idea anyways I'm gonna go to sleep but first UNVOTE: the worst

Please explain yourself and unvote we are nowhere near deadline

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VOTE: LG

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VOTE: light ganski not sure if that last one counted

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Yeah, I don't think tomorrow should last very long at all, I don't see much need for discussion before finishing brie, I've been certain she's SK for a while now.

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we actually might have two mafia left
these last few posts feel anti-spewy

Are you implying mafia have two kills?

[Enter]

Enter, nk brie. Otherwise brie wins

Brie, nk enter. Otherwise enter wins

You have a true prisoners dilemma.

Nancy, duckling, pray with me

I'm town. Quit squirming, scum.

we actually might have two mafia left
these last few posts feel anti-spewy

Are you implying mafia have two kills?

no, i think TB could actually be a town vigilante.

You think Nancy is scum?

[Enter]

Enter, nk brie. Otherwise brie wins

Brie, nk enter. Otherwise enter wins

You have a true prisoners dilemma.

Nancy, duckling, pray with me

actually nvm this might be a town outro D:
i'm sorry if i just hard threw this LG

You might actually be the last scum if you think Nancy's town and you fall for this blatant AtE.

[Enter]

Enter, nk brie. Otherwise brie wins

Brie, nk enter. Otherwise enter wins

You have a true prisoners dilemma.

Nancy, duckling, pray with me

actually nvm this might be a town outro D:
i'm sorry if i just hard threw this LG

You might actually be the last scum if you think Nancy's scum and you fall for this blatant AtE.

Ebwop

[Enter]

Lol at these two posts next to each other.

Seriously though, I'm scum because I don't have feelings? Gimme a break. We got the last scum. If this goes another day it's cuz brie is SK.

Enter, nk brie. Otherwise brie wins

Brie, nk enter. Otherwise enter wins

You have a true prisoners dilemma.

Nancy, duckling, pray with me

actually nvm this might be a town outro D:
i'm sorry if i just hard threw this LG

You might actually be the last scum if you think Nancy's town and you fall for this blatant AtE.

this is scum positioning, not a fucking read
she's been lynched dude. she has no reason to AtE unless it's for lols and if it's just for lols i have no problems being the butt of a joke.

i'd rather take this at face value and keep an open mind.

asdfghJKL:" we should have lynched Enter

[Enter]

What? How does that make any sense? If someone “falls” for anything, doesn’t that make them town?

Sorry, I used the wrong words here.


The worst seems to be trying to make it look like he's town by taking the "don't kill me I've got a wife and kids" plea from light seriously. Gimme a break. No one actually believes that stuff.

[Enter]

I'm town.

So which of Nancy and worst is scum?

Seriously tell quickly or we autolose when brie nks you

The worst. He came in with all those fancy words and now I can see it's all just a facade. Full of fake feelings and fake posts.

[Enter]

Lol at these two posts next to each other.

Seriously though, I'm scum because I don't have feelings? Gimme a break. We got the last scum. If this goes another day it's cuz brie is SK.

AND yet I'm AtE-ing

At least have the decency not to be a gloating winner

How is my post AtE?

And if for some reason you're town and this ends today, I lose with you.

[Enter]

Enter, nk brie. Otherwise brie wins

Brie, nk enter. Otherwise enter wins

You have a true prisoners dilemma.

Nancy, duckling, pray with me

actually nvm this might be a town outro D:
i'm sorry if i just hard threw this LG

You might actually be the last scum if you think Nancy's town and you fall for this blatant AtE.

this is scum positioning, not a fucking read
she's been lynched dude. she has no reason to AtE unless it's for lols and if it's just for lols i have no problems being the butt of a joke.

i'd rather take this at face value and keep an open mind.

Well tbf, scum!Wisdom did that in DnD mafia. It was the “falls” part that stuck out to me.

Scum do this all the time. Look at Purr's post. Sure a little different but same idea.

[Enter]

There's no way you're town enter

This dies. This dies as soon as I'm flipped and I don't care who does it.

My role pm would like to have a word with you.

[Enter]

Sorry enter I'm agitated as fuck I haven't slept in 36 hours. Didn't mean to snap

But I am town

It's OK. I'm sorry if my play was pretty crappy, I'm pretty sure you're scum, but I'm also jet lagged and on a rough schedule and trying to unpack and moving stresses are super fun.

[Enter]

So it's possible I'm just an idiot. I'm sorry for being all mean about the AtE thing and stuff if you're town for some reason. I just get sick of seeing scum do that stuff when they die

[Enter]

lmfao at this

tHe DuCk Is An EvIl ScuMgOD!!!!11!!11!eleven!!
this kind of stuff is nonsense outside of like newbie queue IC paranoia

case me, coward. >:c

Assertion!= evidence.

Casing you would be easy, I just didn't cuz I trusted ND on you.

[Enter]

you're trying to set me up for a mislynch in 3p.
this group is too smart for that shit - you're going down friend.

You want to know something funny? I played a lot of mafia last weekend. One of the fastest ways to tell if someone was town was if they said they were town. I kept looking for you to do it when you replaced in, but you never did. Funny, huh?

Also trying to OMGUS me by setting me up for a mislynch and then telling me to case you, and when I say I will, tell me I'm setting you up for a mislynch is just ironic.

[Enter]

I think light is probably just trying to mess with us.

I agree, but TW is starting to look skinnier by the second.

[Enter]

lmfao at this

tHe DuCk Is An EvIl ScuMgOD!!!!11!!11!eleven!!
this kind of stuff is nonsense outside of like newbie queue IC paranoia

case me, coward. >:c

Assertion!= evidence.

Casing you would be easy, I just didn't cuz I trusted ND on you.

you're trying to set me up for a mislynch in 3p.
this group is too smart for that shit - you're going down friend.

I’m definitely lynching Enter over you. Scum was hellbent on lynching your slot the entire game.

Brie, when they kill ND and try to WIFOM you don't believe this bologna

[Enter]

I just won my first scumgame by saying I was town. Like when is mafia ever this easy?

Not a lot, but every once in a while, you get a softball. You just gotta know how to catch it when it comes.

[Enter]

are you literally saying i'm scum for not being like "hai i'm town" when replacing into a 150 page game?
it's an rvs meme and sometimes i do it if things aren't too serious when i replace in

i rep'd into 8p, possible mylo, and i wasn't in the mood for "lol i'm town" memes.

look at my game related content if you want me lynched. deathtunnelling me for a meme marathon tell is unbelievably dense.

You sound a bit defensive, you OK there, ducky? You know that bait lines are meant for fish, right?

[Enter]

no shit i'm defensive, i'm defensive because i'm being falsely accused going into the LAST DAY PHASE OF THE GAME
what am i meant to do? be like "ah lol enter i guess you got me"? this shit isn't funny, it's weak positioning.

Lol you're actually funny

Coming at me "enter is scum" then when I call you scum you get defensive, mean, and you start contradicting yourself. You're so funny. Keep it up you're giving me material for the case tomorrow

[Enter]

lmfao at this

tHe DuCk Is An EvIl ScuMgOD!!!!11!!11!eleven!!
this kind of stuff is nonsense outside of like newbie queue IC paranoia

case me, coward. >:c

Assertion!= evidence.

Casing you would be easy, I just didn't cuz I trusted ND on you.

you're trying to set me up for a mislynch in 3p.
this group is too smart for that shit - you're going down friend.

I’m definitely lynching Enter over you. Scum was hellbent on lynching your slot the entire game.

Brie, when they kill ND and try to WIFOM you don't believe this bologna

You’re saying, sheep deathtunnel was scum WIFOM?

I think both you and tw may be paranoing each other? Maybe.

I'm saying it's possible the entire scum team was trying to get towncred by hard bussing one of their own. What's the loss of one player if the rest of the team is deep scum for it?

I just won my first scumgame by saying I was town. Like when is mafia ever this easy?

Not a lot, but every once in a while, you get a softball. You just gotta know how to catch it when it comes.

I’m more likely to say and insist often that I’m town, when I am but scum does that all the time. I believe Purr tw townspew, so I think you’re wrong.

I think purr pocketed you and then was trying to get you to pocket Tw but listing his name with yours.

[Enter]

bring on the case Enter. i've had a long week, i need a laugh.

If getting lynched makes you laugh, more power to you, it will make the last day very easy

[Enter]

idek anymore Nancy. i think it's obvious Enter is trying to set up one final mislynch, and i'm CoNveeeeniently the only other person it could be on.

The irony that this is actually the other way around is hilarious. It's particularly ridiculous that once I played your game better than you you tried to turn yourself into the victim

[Enter]

How could Purr be both pocketing me and scumclaiming at the same time?

Like he did in that post. I don't know how to say it. You like and trust purr, right? You trust his read on you, right? So you think that the other name he listed with yours is town?

Tell me if it makes more sense for scum to confirm a townie for you with their last words or for scum to deepscum another mafia with their last words.

[Enter]

How could Purr be both pocketing me and scumclaiming at the same time?

I can answer this

Enter is so frantically trying to set up a mislynch that will win his scum ass the game that he's given up on making any sense

Lol. You read this too and tell me if it makes no sense

How could Purr be both pocketing me and scumclaiming at the same time?

Like he did in that post. I don't know how to say it. You like and trust purr, right? You trust his read on you, right? So you think that the other name he listed with yours is town?

Tell me if it makes more sense for scum to confirm a townie for you with their last words or for scum to deepscum another mafia with their last words.

[Enter]

caught scum doesn't pocket.
they distance, or anti-associate.

what your saying is not the way that scum play the game - you're not actually going into what you think purrc's intention was with that comment.
so keep going, you're about 3% of the way to making sense atm

Nice. The good ol' "that's not how scum play in this meta so it doesn't make sense here" argument, regardless of the actual comment or it's intended effect. Glad you're hear to straighten me out with your omniscient abilities.

[Enter]

But sheep was his predecessor though and he kept trying to get him lynched. Early VCA should hopefully shed some light (no pun intended) on this.

Exactly why the last minute flip on reads makes no sense whatsoever.

[Enter]

oh that makes sense if LG flips red as well

if this reds fine, we can lynch thebrie tomorrow to be safe. if there is a tomorrow at all (vonflare wouldn't have died unless the roleblocker was the last scum now that i'm thinking about it)
if this flips green, we are powerlynching Enter tomorrow. if thebrie is a serial killer and wins the game, i'd rather that than lose it to obvscum Enter

Wow. He's saying this so brie doesn't kill him tonight and just win the game.

[Enter]

if you're town why are you blasting me with rhetoric about my playstyle rather than answering my question?
it's almost like you saw something you thought you could shade, and did it without actually thinking about whether it comes from a wolf

:thtniikgining:

Hey ask me another dumb question so I can ignore it and then you can make the same half-witted argument on me, please.

[Enter]

But sheep was his predecessor though and he kept trying to get him lynched. Early VCA should hopefully shed some light (no pun intended) on this.

Exactly why the last minute flip on reads makes no sense whatsoever.

Purr wasn’t confiscum when he sr sheep.

Number was when he TR tw

[Enter]

But sheep was his predecessor though and he kept trying to get him lynched. Early VCA should hopefully shed some light (no pun intended) on this.

Exactly why the last minute flip on reads makes no sense whatsoever.

Purr wasn’t confiscum when he sr sheep.

Auto-correct is fun


"But he was when he TR tw"

[Enter]

no shit i don't want thebrie to kill town over caught flailing scum

Who's flailing?

And this doesn't make sense. If brie kills you and you're town, she doesn't win tomorrow. P sure she's smarter than that, tho

[Enter]

Purr was bussing the worst is scum

Pedit: what a stupid thing to say
She's bp

[Enter]

no shit i don't want thebrie to kill town over caught flailing scum

Who's flailing?

And this doesn't make sense. If brie kills you and you're town, she doesn't win tomorrow. P sure she's smarter than that, tho

exactly - i want her and you, the actual scum, to cross-shoot.

The ignorance here pisses me off.

She's BP. If there is another scum, town has already lost and the only reason brie won't win tonight in that circumstance is if she doesn't shoot anyone at all, or if you don't shoot anyone at all and then one town is left to decide between sk and scum

[Enter]

Purr was bussing the worst is scum

Pedit: what a stupid thing to say
She's bp

how do you know this?

She claimed it

[Enter]

You know, I can be stupid sometimes. I really shouldn't have outed my BP. But I was trying to give the reasons I completely believe Wisdom's role claim. Since you're all so sure you've figured me out, I'm going to play along, and not bother trying to convince you that I'm just a night vig as well as a day3.

But I say it makes more sense to lynch the top scum-read so we've got one for certain. Then I shoot the the second. Unless you want to leave the top person so the other can't weasel their way out if the shot doesn't go through.

[Enter]

I shouldn't have said anything. TW might have shot tb and we might have had a chance if TB had killed TW

[Enter]

I'm sorry I post before I think a lot. If I lost this for us Nancy you have all right to never play with me again. I've gotta learn to keep my darn mouth shut

[Enter]

0% chance i miss a detail like that as scum, lol.

Oh yeah definitely not and you would never fake it to seem more town either.

[Enter]

GG, wp all!

[Enter]

Well done scum. Was genuinely surprised duckling and enter were both scum, gg, you deserved the win

light why did you remove the bp part from brie when you quoted my post

...I cannot remember. Think it was an oversight when formatting

Ha yeah all props to duck he carried so hard lol. Thanks and sorry I was kinda mean end of day

[Enter]

Ha yeah all props to duck he carried so hard lol. Thanks and sorry I was kinda mean end of day

Dw about it, we all get a bit heated And give yourself credit I was completely convinced you were town almost until the end

Enter you were awesome.

Ha, thanks. Means a lot.

--

Wag: ha, dann, I knew enter helped you with that reads list

, nope, dann probably read a lot more of the game than I ever did. I certainly meant to, tho, so that counts for something?

[Enter]

Just wanted to say thanks to hebi, purr, singleton, sheep, and dann for setting up the scum team real well. It was loads of fun playing with all of you (didn't play with hebi, but she gave me my TR so thanks still)

[Enter]

@tw, @Enter, please tell me wtf was the point of that idiot scum theater, you two engaged in after light hammer? Like why didn’t you guys just do the honourable thing and acknowledge you’d won already. Wtf exactly was the point of that whole pointless charade after you guys knew you’d already won?

It was fun.

Also xyzzy didn't have to endgame that, he could have made us shoot you, block brie, and Lynch her.

[Enter]

Just wanted to say thanks to hebi, purr, singleton, sheep, and dann for setting up the scum team real well. It was loads of fun playing with all of you (didn't play with hebi, but she gave me my TR so thanks still)

Jayow/Saudade were obvscum though.

I don't know, I didn't really play with them

[Enter]

How do you figure that?

Brie was non-consecutive bp sk. If we has screwed up our night actions in any way, we would have lost.

[Enter]

@tw, @Enter, please tell me wtf was the point of that idiot scum theater, you two engaged in after light hammer? Like why didn’t you guys just do the honourable thing and acknowledge you’d won already. Wtf exactly was the point of that whole pointless charade after you guys knew you’d already won?

firstly, it was funny
but secondly and technically more importantly, we weren't 100% certain we'd won and were only hopeful.
there was a low, but non zero chance that some crazy multiball shenanigans were going down, so we followed our instinct and anti-spewed each other so if one of us went down we wouldn't look aligned.

but it was also pretty funny

This.

[Enter]

it wasnt really coordinated

I wasn't particularly coordinated, but I feel like the rest of the team really was. Have you read through the maf pt?

I too think Nancy deserves Don Corleone for this.

What's that?

[Enter]

FWIW, I disagree that a scumteam that needed 5 replacements was amazing. They did a good job, but not scummy worthy imo.

Replacements suck, I agree, but Hebi at least was a strong town read when she was replaced

[Enter]

Replacements suck, I agree, but Hebi at least was a strong town read when she was replaced

I'm not saying she wasn't. I'm saying that given sheep/hebi literally lurked out of the game, Dannflor was shot the day after he replaced in, tw was here for about a week and Purr basically scumclaimed in what looks like an unintentional way it's not really scummy material imo. You deserved the win and played well. I wouldn't say your play was amazing. I might be a little bit salty about being shot so soon, but I feel like my evaluation is reasonable.

Hm. These are all fair things. I think we're judging by different metrics, however.

You're judging based off of reads and kills - which is fair, and a pretty towny metric to grade by.

I'm judging based off of coordination of night kills, role blocks, bussing, claiming, and coordination. I'm not saying the scum team was good at not being scumread, I'm saying the scum team worked together well instead of falling apart in a fit of fighting (which is what I saw in the last large theme I was in).

I don't know. I'm sorry - I just like talking about things and I know this doesn't actually matter.

[Enter]

No, I agree with you that the scum team did very well. The night kills were perfect to keep town disorganized. You managed some crucial mislynches and remained towny through them.

What I'm saying is that the black marks I mentioned keep this game from being scummy worthy imo. I think the disconnect is in where we think the bar for scummy worthy should sit. You were good. I think scummy noms should be extraordinary.

Oh yes OK I agree not scummy worthy I thought point of contention was on whether or not scum was coordinated

[Enter]

She might have if she'd shot someone other than vonflare. I'm honestly not sure what it was that was making me think this but I kept running through scenarios in my head the last two days and brie won a lot of them