Mini Normal 2050: Serial Killers - Game Over

[Gamma Emerald]

Oh fuck I forgot this started
I was gonna vote Dannflor to complete the triangle of voting but he moved his vote
VOTE: Dannflor anyway for ruining it

[Gamma Emerald]

Interesting choice of game theme.

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

Having an SK in a mini normal is not within guidelines though, so that's definitely out.

btw this is correct, SK and multiball are banned in minis and this is technically Micro sized so that goes extra
This kind of spec pissed me off in the pre-designed Micro normal I ran so I want to reinforce it with titanium

[Gamma Emerald]

You also ask "how someone should go about achieving their town win condition," instead of "how town should go about achieving their win condition," which just rubs me really wrong. If English isn't your first language, I apologize, and I'll admit that my read on you is probably miscolored. But if English is your first language, I don't see how these words, in this order, come off your keyboard. It feels extremely manicured, like somebody thinking how to present themselves as towny as possible.

I fail to see the difference? They say exactly the same thing.

"How town should go about achieving their win condition" is how I would expect the average person to think to phrase that sentence. It rolls off the tongue better, and just feels more natural. However, someone could pick you apart and say "He asked how town should achieve their win condition, leaving himself out, implying he isn't town." It's unlikely anybody would argue that, and they'd be wrong to argue it, but people could stupidly read it as a scum slip.

"How someone should go about achieving their town win condition" has this funny implication that the question asker is town. It just looks very unnatural that your question is uncomfortably framed in the way that implies that you're town.

So like a SHROOP
I can see it

[Gamma Emerald]

Okay so who posted that, again?

[Gamma Emerald]

Yeah that’s pretty icky
VOTE: Mewtaph
L-1 FYI

[Gamma Emerald]

Also I doubt anyone at this table lolhammers

[Gamma Emerald]

Scum, I would guess.

Nope. Town XD

Oof.

If it makes you feel better Gorkington (and his alt accounts) has been carried in I believe all minus one of the games I have seen them as town in.

Why are we discussing this

[Gamma Emerald]

I’m not discussing because this game is honestly rather boring rn. I’m curious why you poked at Xtoxm’s sig and why you spent so much time discussing such frivolity though.

[Gamma Emerald]

I’m not discussing because this game is honestly rather boring rn. I’m curious why you poked at Xtoxm’s sig and why you spent so much time discussing such frivolity though.

I love the Gorkington quote in your sig.

Ironically, I give town points to 118.

It was a random aside in a post that also gave a read (Xtoxm as town) (giving a read being more than you've contributed in your iso combined). Xtoxm chose to continue that chain of discussion and it continued for exactly 3 posts, I apologize that 3 posts of out of game discussion is frivolous to you.

Your turn: how is #137 helping you game solve? If you're poking at me because you think I shouldn't post irrelevant content but it doesn't help you sort me, it isn't advancing the game state, and I reckon Gamma Emerald would never partake in such frivolty.

Okay. I like shitposting sometimes but it wasn’t adding anything despite looking possibly game-impacting at the start so I was wondering where it was going.
I find the way you phrased things a bit shady, specifically saying Xtoxm continued it the way you did. Looks overly concerned with looking blameless.

[Gamma Emerald]

Dude what

You pop in to cherry pick one non game-related interaction and then defend this shitty choice by saying you aren't really discussing the game because it's boring? Why are

you

focusing on such a frivolous thing?

despite looking possibly game-impacting at the start

How the fuck did that interaction look possibly game-impacting at the start? Please, be specific.

Hey, I’m actually getting into the game now thanks to posting that so you can buzz off with your outrage.
Anyway, it seemed relevant because at one point mbaki asked Xtoxm’s alignment in the other game, which looked like he was taking an actual interest in the meta information that could be gained.

[Gamma Emerald]

I find the way you phrased things a bit shady, specifically saying Xtoxm continued it the way you did.

I added it on to a post that professed something game related, and he chose to reply to it starting the tangent. IE, why was this a me question and not an Xtoxm question.

Looks overly concerned with looking blameless.

To be concerned about being blameless there would have to be something to be "blamed" for.

at one point mbaki asked Xtoxm’s alignment in the other game

Revisionist history.

Yes, I did guess Xtoxm's alignment in that game... after this post:

What alignment do you think I was in that game

It was a you question because Xtoxm isn’t part of this conversation.
And wow, call it “revisionist history” when I mix up who said something. That actually

worsens

your position as you took no interest in any sort of meta prodding.

[Gamma Emerald]

I’m feeling this bite more at this point
VOTE: mbaki

[Gamma Emerald]

lol k
Lynch from my wagon next

[Gamma Emerald]

I don't believe Gamma Emerald read the game and came to the conclusion his current nitpick is how he's going to find scum. It is unviable.

This is true. That wasn't what I was thinking when I posted that. Doesn't change the current impact.

[Gamma Emerald]

Is there any particular reason why you're willing to comment on the Gamma push here specifically over anything else that has happened in the game? Do you have any sort of stance towards me v LolWagons or me v podopoq?

This pinged me too.

bristep is very low activity, and has cherry picked a topic to comment on. I would like to know why that topic is relevant to them.

Isn’t that what I did lol

[Gamma Emerald]

So why is podoboq defending me but attacking Bri for doing the same thing
VOTE: podoboq

[Gamma Emerald]

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That actually worsens your position as you took no interest in any sort of meta prodding.

His position that what? What is his position? mbaki straight up admitted that the 3 post interaction didn't add to the game, here you are trying to pull something... I'm not even exactly sure what, out of it.

Gamma, do you have a good answer for this? Or even an answer?

Missed it. I thought mbaki was showing interest in meta reading Xtoxm, but his rebuttal disproved that so there wasn’t even that in mbaki’s favor. I’m liking the way he engages with podoboq though.

[Gamma Emerald]

Nvm you aren't voting him anymore. What are your reads on mbaki/podoboq/Mewtaph?

Mewtaph I dont think I ever changed my mind on so I’ll flag that as “still a scumread” with a notice that it might be worth rereading him.
mbaki while I dislike some of his play seems to be engaging with people in a towny way, especially podoboq.
podoboq I’m pretty clearly scumreading, I think he thought I’d be glad to have a whiteknight at my side but he overstepped by pushing mbaki for something I did too when he never once expressed that sort of feeling with me.

[Gamma Emerald]

Yeah I recognize my read changed a fair amount. I feel like a little of that earlier scum read might have just been reactionary.
And yeah I meant bristep, not mbaki. Should not be mafiaing with minimal sleep AND a cold.

[Gamma Emerald]

I townread Dann's reaction to Gamma Emerald. Not sure if I townread Gamma Emerald.

VOTE: Doughboy

Anything to say on Doughboy?

[Gamma Emerald]

Ok

[Gamma Emerald]

ugh. i just cant get into this game

Maybe you’re a bit spread thin
Or maybe you’re just scum

[Gamma Emerald]

Lol nah I was mostly joking
I wouldn’t vote you rn

[Gamma Emerald]

Okay so quick read on everyone.

Town: dannflor, mewtaph, podoboq,

Mixed: gamma emerald

Null: bristep123, xtomx,

Scum: mbaki, lolwagons

The discussion between my three town reads feels very townie while my two scum reads feels like they're participating in the discussion but aren't getting to involved and are letting my three town reads do most of the discussing.

Bristep123 and obviously xtomx are on my null list due to inactivity and gamma emerald is mixed to me because he complained about some chit chat, but then says he's not interested in discussing anything cause this game is boring. Would a scum say this though? Probably not so that's why he's mixed to me

Moving this slot to town lean for now.

I'd like some more justification on LolWagons. I see your argument, that LolWagons looks like they're participating, but without actually getting involved. If we write off the Mewtaph questioning as that, I think you're right. There's very little aside from that, now that I go looking for it. I still think this post is significant.

I have glazed over almost every Mewtaph post this game. Just the way he types I guess.

Does scum say this? I don’t think mafia tends to say shit like this.

If LolWagons is scum, I don't see them calling out mbaki's behavior as town unprompted unless they're teammates.

I think you screwed up what you were saying towards the end there

[Gamma Emerald]

i put myself in readlists too

Y I K E S

I only do it when it’s over-the-top anyway

[Gamma Emerald]

I understand you changed your mind about lolwagons not because I said his contributions were lacking but because he took offense to you seeing my point, but I do feel you were a little bit quick to change your mind about him.

This is not great either. I really don't like how Trekkie just sits on the sidelines this whole debate and casually encourages it. This post doesn't really say anything but plant a little bit of doubt about Podoboq without actually committing to anything.

Does seem as if I was sitting on the sidelines when you look at it the right way, however I really wasn't part of the discussion. All I was trying to do was make sense of the whole situation for myself as well as lolwagons and podoboq who I felt were like two dogs running in a circle chasing after each others tail.

How the fuck

[Gamma Emerald]

Mewtaph and Gamma Emerald are... prod dodging?

I would like Trekkie to explain how the post I quoted happened

[Gamma Emerald]

He messed up his quote tags. I don't think there is a story there.

I didn’t see any broken tags though...

[Gamma Emerald]

Town: dannflor, mewtaph, podoboq, lolwagons

Mixed: gamma emerald, mbaki

Null: ofrhz, sheepsaysmeep

I ask again, why aren't you voting? You should at least be pressuring one of your mixed reads to get a better feel for them. Right now, you're doing... Nothing.

I didn’t see any broken tags though...

Literally just look at the post and then how he fixed it two posts later. He was trying to quote me and failed. Do you have anything useful to offer the game? I mean I townread you earlier but your ISO has improved 0%.

I figured it out. Had to comb the thread for it though.
Anyway I notice a lot of people picking at Trekkie for having reads dissonance but he voted me for pressure? I’m sure there’s more to it but I wanna start discussion here

[Gamma Emerald]

this feels like a sort by postcount game where the game is being controlled by village currently

podoboq(70)

dannflor(50)
mbaki(50)

lolwagons(44)

mew(39)

trekkie/doughboy(31)

gamma(28)

sheep/xtoxm(27)

ofrhz/bri(11)

Yeah that’s really not “sorting by postcount”
By your logic podoboq should be lock villa

[Gamma Emerald]

why do the three reds look the same



mew is stronger wolf than the other two

Reds are notoriously shitty at showing up differently at least on mafBlack

[Gamma Emerald]

Mew,

what is your read on gamma?

Feeling Offers is town rn

[Gamma Emerald]

vc up in a bit, if you all would like to just dye to the holiday, we can extend the game 2 days to compensate for Christmas and Christmas Eve. Just need a majority approval.

Sure.

[Gamma Emerald]

I think the fact I just got thirteen or so paragraphs of pushback from Mew and Trekkie without them voting me after asking Dann for an opinion on a single possible associative tell is all I need to tell me that town is on the right track.

Trekkie’s suggestions that Mew and I might be scum together while not voting either of us even though one has a wagon on them is also pretty telling.

This is a post I think I can agree with
If this is inaccurate to the gamestate someone tell me cos I’m gonna roll with this now

[Gamma Emerald]

Pre-flip associations have just hit the thread by storm. Heavy weather ahead.

The last post before this just busted this. Nice shade.

[Gamma Emerald]

Why should I not hammer you?

That's not a question that's a threat.

this is not how i expect a newer wolf to respond to the threat of being d1 lynch at all

That just feels a little too hardened of a saying for any newb, town or scum.

[Gamma Emerald]

sheep/dann/lolwagons

this is a towncore

i have other strong townreads but nowhere near this strong

You are not in the town core. Dann and lolwagons are the town core. Also, any doctor type role should be on Dann tonight probably.

Where the fuck is pod btw

[Gamma Emerald]

Don’t look up dadv on urban dictionary

now I have to

[Gamma Emerald]

sheep/dann/lolwagons

this is a towncore

i have other strong townreads but nowhere near this strong

You are not in the town core. Dann and lolwagons are the town core. Also, any doctor type role should be on Dann tonight probably.

Where the fuck is pod btw

Wdym? I certainly don't townread Pod as much as the two listed. Pod is a town read at this point I think, but he is not written off like those two are for me.

I mean more as in where is pod because he hasn’t posted in a while

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: mew
I want to vote in Trekkie/Mew but I want pod to come back before we end the day so I’m voting the dark horse wagon

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: mew
I want to vote in Trekkie/Mew but I want pod to come back before we end the day so I’m voting the dark horse wagon

I'd say sheep is the actual dark horse wagon but overall this vote is really lazy. Limiting yourself is two options just says you want to be sheep general consensus because you gave up on giving the game state a harder look. Is this where you're at nowadays?

I try hard some games but I saw something I clicked with mentally and am going with it.

[Gamma Emerald]

UNVOTE:

I didn’t see the claim sorry

I was fucking around trying to draw the NK

Continue

Me neither, where is it?

[Gamma Emerald]

Ooh nice

[Gamma Emerald]

VT
tfw d2 massclaim though

[Gamma Emerald]

Well played all
I could’ve done better but I don’t regret how I played
As I said time of, me commenting on what I did wasn’t great but it got me into the game anyway so it all worked out

[Gamma Emerald]

Nice
I felt like your play was similar to how you were in the Mini where DVa caught me plus your questioning felt like town who intended to use that info to read people in this game (idek if I worded that well)

[Gamma Emerald]

I generally have a long PR lifespan, I just need to not be scummy
Like I feel most of my NKs as PR are because I had to claim