Mini Normal 2050: Serial Killers - Game Over

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finals end tomorrow i'll prolly read a bit afterschool

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finals end tomorrow i'll prolly read a bit afterschool

Good luck with finals!

ty

whytf is the cool emoji there i didnt click it

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p1 i dont really like mewtaph

it feels like theyre way overcomplicating over one rvs vote and tryign to create an im really solvy and posting a lot feeling but it feels forced


dannflor feels sort of villagery and kinda mirrors my thoguhts on mewtaph's equestion

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the way lolwagons pushes back against mewtaph page 2 is really villagery


also mew just feels generally like trying to present themself and really caring about hwo their posts are read

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if i vote mew it's not a hammer right

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if i vote mew it's not a hammer right

Mewtaph's not at L-1, but why would you place a vote without catching up first anyway?

i can always change it as i read further but i already have a strong read here and placing a vote down first is always better than not voting

VOTE: mew

im on page 3 and im starting to disagree a lot with dannflor? but i still have them as a pretty strong villa read for how they push things

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i didnt fucking read the game before replacing in

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mew's posting/questions are terrible to top of page 5 so far

im just strugglign to see that this is ever genuine solving rather than trying too hard to look like a really active solver

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i put myself in readlists too

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just from what ive read so far and what ive read thats happened since i replaced in this feels generally like one of those games where town currently has a lot higher impact/postcount

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why the fuck was this a conversation that people had

no one is massclaiming d1 end of the fuckign story

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i skimmed dann's wolf game iso's that he linked and while theyre prolly not that reliable with how dated they are? his posting here feels way more intentful/solving motivation driven rather than how it feels when he's wolf that he's just posting to post

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i skimmed dann's wolf game iso's that he linked and while theyre prolly not that reliable with how dated they are? his posting here feels way more intentful/solving motivation driven rather than how it feels when he's wolf that he's just posting to post

i read the villa games and this feeling actually matches up better than i thought it would

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i kinda v read how confident/doesnt give a fuck how he's read mbaki is

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i kinda v read how confident/doesnt give a fuck how he's read mbaki is

Can you reword this sentence? I don't know what you're trying to say.

idk

mbaki is confident

mbaki doesnt give a fuck how he's read

i v read it

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Town: dannflor, mewtaph, podoboq, lolwagons

Mixed: gamma emerald, mbaki

Null: ofrhz, sheepsaysmeep

havent read any other of your slots posts yet but you have half the game as town and no wolfreads?

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ive basically skimmed through everything except like


i read 3/4 of it while i was half asleep and multitasking and barely remember anything off the top of my head

sheep, dan, mbaki villagers and im actually really really confident on both of them

mew is wolfy, gmama was kinda wolfy

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this feels like a sort by postcount game where the game is being controlled by village currently

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I get the inkling that Gamma Emerald isn't scum but just a townie being dead weight. Hopefully this will wake him up.

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

why would you.. vote someone you dont think is scum

can you talk about why you would think soemone who feels like dead weight to you is villager instead of scum?

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this feels like a sort by postcount game where the game is being controlled by village currently

podoboq(70)

dannflor(50)
mbaki(50)

lolwagons(44)

mew(39)

trekkie/doughboy(31)

gamma(28)

sheep/xtoxm(27)

ofrhz/bri(11)

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meh those postcounts are basically what i'd expect other than lolwagons has a lot more than i'd expect when i remember barely anything from him

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why do the three reds look the same



mew is stronger wolf than the other two

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meh lolwagons iso is actually decent; idrk how i missed so much of his posting

i kinda like his early interaction with mewtaph it feels like how i react to getting a scumread in thread most of the time as villager

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meh

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The discussion between my three town reads feels very townie while my two scum reads feels like they're participating in the discussion but aren't getting to involved and are letting my three town reads do most of the discussing.

ok i actually think this take is really pure

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trekkie

im busy goign through his/doughboy isos

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@Sheepsaysmeep: I think in general you are clearing people too easily and sometimes for the wrong reasons (eg. what makes Trekkie's "The discussion between my three town reads feels very townie while my two scum reads feels like they're participating in the discussion but aren't getting too involved and are letting my three town reads do most of the discussion." town indicative). I think it is a somewhat accurate sentiment to note that the game is mostly town controlled and to note that when considering reads, but including post counts in your read lists feels over the top to the point where it lacks utility (scum could just inflate their number of posts and you will be more receptive to town reading them).

does this thought you have influence your read on me or are you just trying to discredit my reads

first of all im not clearing anyone?

that trekkie read is just detailed and unique to a poitn where idt it was made up but like thats one post and barely impactful on my overall read

scum can inflate their posts after i said that, but i was generally townreading the people with higher postcounts because i felt that at that point in time the game was controlled by town and idk whats wrong with those reasons

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meh idrk abt trekkie rn

he has some thoughts i like, he has some really awkwardly wolfy things like the gamma vote which felt like just voting because he felt that he had to vote at some point

gun to my head he's wolfy but it's nowhere near as strong as my mew w read rn

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sheep
mbaki, dann
lolwagons
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ofrhz, podo
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trekkie/doughboy, gamma
mew

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this feels like a sort by postcount game where the game is being controlled by village currently

podoboq(70)

dannflor(50)
mbaki(50)

lolwagons(44)

mew(39)

trekkie/doughboy(31)

gamma(28)

sheep/xtoxm(27)

ofrhz/bri(11)

Yeah that’s really not “sorting by postcount”
By your logic podoboq should be lock villa

those colors are pre factoring in postcount

they do generally match postcount but i have podo as lean villa for his wim without really a read on his posting rn

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also i have lolwagons as a villager and that was kinda just making sure my reads matched my feeling so im actually pretty confident in what i have rn

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sheep/dann/lolwagons
podo
mbaki/ofhrz
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mew/gamma/trekkie

im actually somewhat confident on everyone at this point and would have no idea where to look if all three of my bottom pool flipped town rn

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honestly i want to say from the last page that trekkie is newtown lynchbait

with the emergence of a wagon on him he doesnt really seem to care how he's being read despite this or threatened at all by the pressure


like at all

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Why should I not hammer you?

That's not a question that's a threat.

this is not how i expect a newer wolf to respond to the threat of being d1 lynch at all

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i also think he does believe in what he's pushing even if it's kinda hard to see where it's coming from

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i also think that after seeing trekkie post these last 1-2 pages, with some room/time his alignment becomes really obvious down the line

meanwhile mew has popped in here and there but nothing he's said has really shown potential in making me budge at all

tldr mew is my preferred lynch by quite a bit

thoughts?

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he's been under heavy heat for half of d1 now and earlier i thought he was basically guaranteed as today's lynch and we were kinda dragging it out before an inevitable hammer

he's unmoved and doeesnt seem to give a fuck and i think overall his later half of d1 has been a good look

mew meanwhile literally just slowly started to lay lower lower and fade alognside his wagon

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im not confbiased right

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you were like at least half the posts for the start of the game

now youre just popping in every once in a while to defend yourself and i forgot you existed for a while

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@mbaki everyone else just moved up and i havent really seen anything good from you since the start of m y catchup

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you were like at least half the posts for the start of the game

now youre just popping in every once in a while to defend yourself and i forgot you existed for a while

I'm not just defending myself, but ok. You can keep pushing on me if you want, I won't just die without screaming.

youve been popping in every once in a while to respond to wolfreads on you

i dont remember the last time i saw solving from you

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im either onto a really accurate tunnel or confbiased and looking stupid but i think it's the first

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if trekkie flips town thats going to be super demoralizing for me on multiple levels

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im not ever voting trekkie with mew alive

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im not w reading mew off of activity

i think he's more active lurkign and posting more to stay alive

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Trekkie99 - Replaces: Doughboy
podoboq
Gamma Emerald
Dannflor
Mewtaph
ofrhz replacing bristep123**
mbaki
Sheepsaysmeep replacing xtoxm*
LolWagons

sheep
lolwagons/ofrhz/dann
trekkie
podo/mbaki
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gamma
mew

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if the team is gamma/mew i a m a f u c k i n g g o d

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top of page 21 for postgame

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maybe because i have much stronger w reads

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he has been for a while

his catchup is basically how i catchup after replacing in as villager and we mindmelded on a lot of things to a pretty high degree

i think it's potentially subject to change when he has time to actually interact with people after having caught up but yeah im fairly comfortable with this

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trekkie can you give me a full readlist rn

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can you give me a gut feel from your pov of whether you think the wagon on you is generally being led by scum or villager -driven

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And just like that we aren’t talking about Trekkie anymore.

Not going to work folks.

Mbaki, are you intending to hammer?

If so, Trekkie should claim

Not today, no. In two or three days, probably.

I'm still figuring if I can call sheep a town read when he slots both of my scum reads higher than me.

which two are those and can you try to sell me on them?

im pretty strongly confident in all of my high townreads rn so this is defo really interesting

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If Trekkie was more transparent about how he got to where he was I would maybe buy that.

I fail to see how I could be more transparent. Lolwagons and mew are scummies, lolwagons was keeping his distance, I come in and say mew is town and lolwagons is scum, when it looks like i'm going to get lynched lolwagons comes in and says if I flip scum it could mean I was protecting my potential scum mate mew by calling lolwagons scum. I get lynched, flip town, lolwagons says he was wrong about mew. My claim is complete.

... keeping my distance is blatantly false. I’ve been on him twice. I’ve caught fire from other people for primarily pushing him.

Sheep don’t you think it’s odd that Trekk is pushing me harder even though there’s more clout for a Mew lynch?

idrk tbh

honestly in context mew is the one viable counterwagon and im never letting you get lynched today so it's potentially villager indicative but more nai imo

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mew's push back on me is terrible and incredibly weakly surface level

it's either snap omgus reaction from a villa or wolf trying to find a push that looks like theyre doing something/doing ok against the push on them and it's like nowhere near natural enough to be the first?

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Town: dannflor, podoboq

Mixed: gamma emerald, mbaki

Null: ofrhz, sheepsaysmeep

Scum: lolwagons, mewtaph

why gamma and why mbaki

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HOLY FUCK YOURE RIGHT TREKKIE AND MEW ARE SO PARTNERY

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mew has never really interacted wiht trekkie or tried to sort them (i just command f'ed the iso)

mew has consistently just kept trekkie in the null pile

evne whne trekkie has been at l1 for so long mew doesnt give a fuck about sorting trekkie at all theyre just both doing their own thing and mew is kinda ignoring him while posting

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asdfasdf idek anymore

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yeah trekkie looks really really bad wrt associations with mew wtf

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mew isnt even legitily trying to push me rn

he's literally jsut spending his time sitting in thread while repeating "you are scum you are scum you are scum"


which is the textbook wolf trying to look like they have a genuine tunnel

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forget what i said earlier btw

im staying on mew since theres time before deadline but if it's clear that that isnt happening im finna just hammer trekkie

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mew

if you really want me lynched at some point

put your actual reasons for w reading me into one post

i dare you

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mew

if you really want me lynched at some point

put your actual reasons for w reading me into one post

i dare you

Posturing.

just do it if this is a legit tunnel

youve been yelling that im wolf for pages now it shouldnt be hard at all

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trekkie pushing harder at lolwagons rather than his counterwagon is either villagery or partnery with mewtaph and im you guys have me quite convinced it's the second one at this point

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sheep/dann/lolwagons

this is a towncore

i have other strong townreads but nowhere near this strong

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@dann @lolwagons im iffy on gamma/mbaki rn and have been for a while; what are your thoughts on those slots

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lol

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mew my tone doesnt even shift there but why do you think i would shift it for dann as wolf

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lol if what youre doing rn isnt a death tunnel

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youve given 1 reason for me to be wolf at this point and it's bullshit but yeah it's a really crappy and not hard to see through fake tunnel that came out of nowhere

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im giving actual reasons

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and yeah im admittedly tunneling you

but in contrast your tunnel is clearly just fake

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that doesnt mean that if you legitimately think im wolf you cant try to convince people

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idk

that could be fake or real idt it's really worth anything

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trekkie what do you think about the people on your wagon

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or like your general wagon composition

Dannflor, mbaki, ofrhz, LolWagons

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Trekkie99: Dannflor, mbaki, ofrhz, LolWagons
Podoboq: Gamma Emerald
LolWagons: Trekkie99
Mewtaph: sheepsaysmeep
sheepsaysmeep: Mewtaph

Not Voting: podoboq

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this feels very dadv ngl

nothings standing in the way of this lynch except for somewhat me; scum are content with this lynch happening

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do you guys think im confbiasing because i think the 50 concerns that have popped up for me over the last few pages are valid but confbias is an open option that i could see happening for me

@dann @lolwagons

pedit @trekkie mew is voting me iirc

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do you guys think im confbiasing because i think the 50 concerns that have popped up for me over the last few pages are valid but confbias is an open option that i could see happening for me

@dann @lolwagons

pedit @trekkie mew is voting me iirc

*@thespio

lol oops sry

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trekkie reads as a newer town and his reaction/behavior under wagon is not at all like how newer wolf would behave in every way imo

asking about this is more just wanting to know if you guys think my concerns are valid though because i think i could be confbiasing here

im in a tunnel to where mew is going to be my strongest w read until he dies at this point

whats making me be ok? with a trekkie wagon though is that if mew is wolf here trekkie is the partner 90% of the time

i dont think mew's interactions with anyone else are like how he's avoided interacting/trying to sort trekkie

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Also, any doctor type role should be on Dann tonight probably.

dude stop

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@lolwagons if you have time what are your thoughts on mbaki, gamma, podo, and trekkie potentially being dadv

im starting to kinda shift on mbaki

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dadv = he's been the top wagon all day and nothings occured to say that wolves might try to stop that

i rarely use dadv but it's usually correct

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i dont disagree that dann is a great protect

but dont fucking direct prs in thread

it's antitown

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dann your disliking me turning around on mbaki is confbiased

you think it makes sense in a world where im wolf and for whatever reason need more scumreads but i dont see any reason as to why i cant just actually have a changing read

mbaki's posting this last page was objectively terrible

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lol i want out of having to be alive in this game if i ever get lynched over mew glgl

someone who's townreading mew try to convince me


pedit gimme a sec

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meh ifirst of all the role directing/fishing is terrible and i jsut dont see any reason that town would ever do that

my first reaction to your response to me thinking trekkie's dadv thing felt like you were trying to discredit my read and then you trying to push a me/trekkie team felt agenda driven

and once you started posting i just realized wait this guy exists and reread your iso and what i originally townread you for kinda felt more nai this time around? it wasnt actually me suddenly scumreading you but more me being like shit idk what to do with this slot anymore help me @lolwagons

on reread of this last page it does feel a bit more nai and i think i was just confbiased idk

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just dont direct prs in thread

first of all it's hard for mafia to know what a town pr would do in the situation from town pov

and prs likely follow and mafia potentially have watcher or some shit

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i dont remember the bigger reasons off the top of my head but this is just like

a thing

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pr talk like that is a form of rolefishing

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I don't see what mbaki did as role fishing nor do I think suggesting a course of action really affects the game negatively for town beyond maybe some WIFOM arguments.

and once you started posting i just realized wait this guy exists and reread your iso and what i originally townread you for kinda felt more nai this time around? it wasnt actually me suddenly scumreading you but more me being like shit idk what to do with this slot anymore help me @lolwagons

So you're... Null reading mbaki now?

using null to describe my position there would be kinda inaccurate

it's more just i have no idea how to read this slot aorn so i want my top townreads's thoughts

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yeah that partner argument makes so much more sense than him being villagery for not voting the counterwagon now that i really think about it

i feel like taking a break from the thread because i literally have no idea anymore on slots like trekkie or mbaki

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@trekkie can you talk about why youve been pushing wagons harder of your two wolfreads when he's not getting lynched over mew today?

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im finna sheep you guys on mbaki rn tbh

more concerned about sorting out trekkie

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mew is my tunnel

i would lynch mew over everyone

however, i dont oppose a trekkie lynch and would be fine with it/would vote there if a mew lynch isnt happening

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https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=77801

this is the only completed game that trekkie has on site

he was a mafia who was mechanically guiltied after he replaced into a slot that claimed dcotor

i actually have a seom form of an opinion on him meta-wise after reading his posts in there and i want to hear both of dann/lolwagons thoughts on it before i say smtg because i want your unaffected by confbias opinions

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trekkie's stuff about mew:

he thinks theres a good case on mew

he has mew as very strong town

when the wagon's on him he suddenly finds a reason to put mew as scum which jsut feels like very classic antispew

kinda feels too easy but it's really damning

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this is why i asked for your opinion first

you kinda reversed what i was going to say lol

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i thought he was really derpy there/didnt know what to do compared to here where i thought he was posting more logically/solvingly

but yeah you reminded me why i originally scumread him which was for how awkward some of the things he posted early were

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gamma vote mew with me

it's lonely here we have room

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i kinda liked that he presented an argument that looked like he put thought into it but yeah i think i want to agree with you more

pedit has he gone to lolcatting now

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Why should I not hammer you?

That's not a question that's a threat.

this is not how i expect a newer wolf to respond to the threat of being d1 lynch at all

That just feels a little too hardened of a saying for any newb, town or scum.

he's blatantly turning down something like that from someone who's threatening to make him the d1 lynch

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yeah youre prolly right

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consider my vote on trekkie

im just not actually voting there in case of accidental hammer because i want a few poeple to check in first

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yeah i was being stupid when i flip flopped on mbaki lol

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just dont do pr talk until massclaim time rolls around if we get there

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lol mews case

theres like 1 thing in your tldr that i might consider ai

next

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Your dismissive tone does nothing but back up my read of the game state.

gamestate: basically solved with one wolf flailing and only half given up trying to make some last ditch attempts

tldr

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trekkie is still

fucking

twtbw or doesnt give a fuck about being lynched

which is still really weird

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by posting: wolfy
by meta: prolly wolfy
by attitude towards being lynched: prolly villa

someone fucking help me

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last game when trekkie was wolf, he thought he was going to be lynched anyway and basically gave up

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last game when trekkie was wolf, he thought he was going to be lynched anyway and basically gave up

intent to hammer before i can change my mind again if no one has any reason to have a problem with that

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Lmao, you suddenly have this stream of thoughts when I am the only one in the thread? Random af.

literally just when i am in the thread and just finished catching up and then i have my thoughts about what i just read

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VOTE: trekkie

zzz glgl

regardless of alignment promise me mewtaph dies tmr but if this flips v disclaimer that my motivation to play will heavily drop

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if mew were somehow town here this play would be disgusting on multiple levels

not that i think this is really a possibility but if all a villager is going to do is tunnel me in thread like this theyre being incredibly antitown and essentially deserve to be lynched

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VOTE: mew

zzz gg someone hammer pls

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lol if they get saved from lynch by a claim

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meh

im a 2-shot doctor


and i have a ton of shit to dump into a post i wasnt expecting to claim and definitely not so early

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i think claiming everything here is fine we won anyway


i saved dannflor

i saw that flip and was like legitimately what the actual fuck i thought prs were basically free of worries with the death of a full strengthened roleblocker and praying that i wasnt tracked or whatever shit or lol the odds

so they have strongman i guess but literally fucking lol the wolfsided setup and what town power is able to do against that in a 9 player game then


anyway i decided on a dannflor target like
barely into the day at all and i literally submitted it like halfway through
so if anyone remembers me snapping to someone suggesting that protective target dann and me yelling about be scared of watchers or asceticizer or smtg thats why
i thought it outed me as pr but

feel free to lynch me if you promise to lynch mew later because that's outed rn

for a world where that doesnt flip villa, this game is basically sortable by who was around in the second half of the day

because lol any wim that didnt go down the drain yet when youre wolf and your multitasking roleblocker

==> mew looks terribad, podo looks kinda bad with how much his activity dropped throughout the day, lolwagons is mechanical-info-level clear

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im hoping mew tries to counterclaim so that you guys know it's between me and mew

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im still fucking pissed about that night result

how do they lose a fucking roleblocker and can still stop my corretly placed action n1

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not really going to put up a fight if town wants to lynch mef rist

waiting 3 more days is a boring wait and lol getting lynched as a doctor but yeah

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mew gamma mbaki yeah

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podoboq
Gamma Emerald
Mewtaph
ofrhz
mbaki
Sheepsaysmeep
LolWagons

if you guys somehow lose then lolthisgame

lolwagons is always clear
ofrhz is always clear
mbaki is always clear

podo/gamma/mew

currently 6v1


you have 3 lynches and that poe is always a win

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thats a hammer \

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meh i played pretty badly

i should defo have made an actual non wavery stance on trekkie but i was too nervous

town played really well