Mini Normal 2050: Serial Killers - Game Over

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Hi!

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Okay, I'm following. I suppose I was assuming perfect play when I stated how easily this enables mafia to sell their townie-ness, which is an error on my part considering what the game is. I appreciate the pursuing of early thought processes to try and progress the game, but I can't say I'm sold on this particular process.

The question is just kinda empty? Maybe I'll see it when we get an answer but there's only so many ways to answer "how do you win as town" and they don't reveal much.

I want to hear how they think town should approach achieving their win condition because I think it'll help me discern whether that vote was one of complexity (an actual reflexive action against votes on them) or on a less serious note.

I agree with the rest of your reasoning but I still think this ^^ was stupid.

Also, can you guys explain your Mewtaph votes? Despite my reservations about his methods he's willing to push the game forward and is one of the few players to post literally anything of value so far. I'm feeling town

Towny

In particular, the bolded feels very nuanced

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I like the early pushes from mew.

15 may have seemed a bit nitpicky, but with limited information in early game, you need to make a mountain out of a molehill to create content and push the game out of RVS.

This read is reinforced with 42

End of page 2, leaning town on dann and mew

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I’m okay with pod’s explanation of how vote, unvote, and then vote on Mew. I think it’s reasonable to not want to put someone at L-1 early on.

Not following mew’s vote onto him though

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Mbaki feels towny tonally.

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Re: mbaki, I think taking the time to read linked games is more likely to come form town than scum, though I was recently bitten by this analysis.

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Dann
Mew, mbaki

Everyone els null

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Hey mew how are ya

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He is also beginning to post so I'm indicating that I am around for an exchanged sequence.

That sequence commences and we discuss thoughts; my problem is that I'm not following their reasoning (implied in 83, 85), and his problem is that he is finding my posting inorganic (his posts showing this and my response to this are clear).

mew seems eager for real-time interactions here, which I wouldn’t expect to come from scum!Mew because Mew hasnt rolled scum in well over a year.

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Gamma is scumposting

Why didn’t you vote for him here? You were not voting at this point

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I am actually on board with calling this revisionist history. If you read the exchange you see Xtoxm initiated the discussion about his alignment and asked mbaki what he thought. How does mbaki answering "Scum, I would guess." come close to looking like "he was taking an actual interest in the meta information that could be gained?"

Using something that didn't actually happen to support the reason you cherry-picked this interaction does look like revisionist history, because it's not just you mixing up who said what, it's you mixing up the whole chain of events and thinking it means something it doesn't.

Would scum openly misrep something so easy to just go back and check? Like, there's no way scum Gamma is intentionally misrepping this, knowing it takes 10 seconds to find out that it's not accurate. Using this as justification that Gamme is scum rather than he just mixed things up seems like a leap.

Feels nuanced, towny

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Would scum openly misrep something so easy to just go back and check? Like, there's no way scum Gamma is intentionally misrepping this, knowing it takes 10 seconds to find out that it's not accurate. Using this as justification that Gamme is scum rather than he just mixed things up seems like a leap.

So do you think Gamma Emerald is posting good, townie thoughts?

Hmm, I don’t think pod said gamma was posting good, townie thoughts anywhere?

I am not Dannflor and my gripe with Gamma Emerald is that his full iso is nothing, calling someone else out who's doing nothing, even though that someone did something, finding a weird way to push them on something outright false, said thing gets proven false, and Gamma doubles down and says that's even scummier!

This is not a townie thought process.

And now, one person has explicitly agreed with me and another has called Gamma Emerald's posting scumposting, but Gamma's vote remains despite it being disapproved by multiple people.

This is after Gamma chose only to comment on the not relevant thing in the first place. He still has not answered why he questioned myself over Xtoxm either even though

Xtoxm is the one who started the "scummy" tangent

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The bolded is a fallacy and kind of appeals to the majority, e.g. “Other people think this as well, so why don’t you?”

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Right now I am working from Xtoxm, Lolwagons, and Dannflor as townies. I have waffled mentally a lot between Podoboq and Mewtaph, I do not believe it is theater though so if one is scum and flips there's that at least. bristep123 and Doughboy have not posted that I remember since I became involved in the game.

mbaki

, why the townread on Xtoxm?

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Mew,

what is your read on gamma?

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vc up in a bit, if you all would like to just dye to the holiday, we can extend the game 2 days to compensate for Christmas and Christmas Eve. Just need a majority approval.

yeah I'd appreciate this

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I think Trekkie is probably town for going after someone most people thought was town but Podo hopping off his read of me quickly is a bit disconcerting.

Did you think trekkie's read on you was valid?

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I can't tell if mbaki's push on GE is scummy or not, but it's garbage either way. The fact that he came to the same conclusion, "I don't believe Gamma Emerald read the game and came to the conclusion his current nitpick is how he's going to find scum," but his next step was "therefore he's scum," doesn't make sense to me when that reads as extremely towny to me. Either mbaki is mistaking bad play for scummy play, or mbaki is just trying to justify his scumread without any real supporting evidence.

Except I'm

not voting Gamma Emerald

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You don't have to vote someone to push or scumread them. I'm not sure what this was trying to prove

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I think pod is town. I'd be fairly surprised if 269 came from scum

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I don’t really like how Mewtaph comes in and just asks Trekkie to explain after Dann is clearly already pressuring him.

Still have too many townreads but whatever. I’m fairly confident I was right the first time.

VOTE: Mewtaph

Still don’t know if Trekkie pushes me as scum but he isn’t responding well to Dans pressure.

Podo/Dann/Sheep still town. Be interesting to see if Bri’s replacement towns it up.

I like this post

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I don't really like doing lists in general, but here's where I'm at currently...

-- Town --
{Dannflor, LolWagons, mbaki}
{Gamma, Trekkie}
{podopoq, ofrhz, Sheepsaysmeep}
-- Mafia --

Why are lolwagons and mbaki town?

Why is pod scum?

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Would scum openly misrep something so easy to just go back and check? Like, there's no way scum Gamma is intentionally misrepping this, knowing it takes 10 seconds to find out that it's not accurate. Using this as justification that Gamme is scum rather than he just mixed things up seems like a leap.

So do you think Gamma Emerald is posting good, townie thoughts?

Hmm, I don’t think pod said gamma was posting good, townie thoughts anywhere?

I am not Dannflor and my gripe with Gamma Emerald is that his full iso is nothing, calling someone else out who's doing nothing, even though that someone did something, finding a weird way to push them on something outright false, said thing gets proven false, and Gamma doubles down and says that's even scummier!

This is not a townie thought process.

And now, one person has explicitly agreed with me and another has called Gamma Emerald's posting scumposting, but Gamma's vote remains despite it being disapproved by multiple people.

This is after Gamma chose only to comment on the not relevant thing in the first place. He still has not answered why he questioned myself over Xtoxm either even though

Xtoxm is the one who started the "scummy" tangent

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The bolded is a fallacy and kind of appeals to the majority, e.g. “Other people think this as well, so why don’t you?”

your quoted example is a valid question. going against the status quo requires expansion.

I read the bolded as providing supporting evidence that Gamma's thought process was not townie

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Town: dannflor, mewtaph, podoboq, lolwagons

Mixed: gamma emerald, mbaki

Null: ofrhz, sheepsaysmeep

I ask again, why aren't you voting? You should at least be pressuring one of your mixed reads to get a better feel for them. Right now, you're doing... Nothing.

I didn’t see any broken tags though...

Literally just look at the post and then how he fixed it two posts later. He was trying to quote me and failed. Do you have anything useful to offer the game? I mean I townread you earlier but your ISO has improved 0%.

I figured it out. Had to comb the thread for it though.
Anyway I notice a lot of people picking at Trekkie for having reads dissonance but he voted me for pressure? I’m sure there’s more to it but I wanna start discussion here

It's more that he said he was townreading you and then said you were most likely to flip scum. The read doesn't feel real

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Pagetop c:

Pod, Dann, Lolwagons
Mew, Gamma, Sheep
Mbaki, Trekkie

VOTE: trekkie

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VOTE: sheep

This is scum

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Guys sheep me on sheep

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sheep me on sheep

haHAA

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No takers?

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I have a pretty damning result on sheep but I want him to claim first before I out it

Help me mbaki. In the name of a perfect game!

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VOTE: sheep

OK, this is fun too.

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VOTE: Mewtaph

no

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Interesting

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Yes I’m the tracker

Sheep visited dann last night

[ofrhz]

Strongman and multitasking rb? That’s kind of op

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Honestly a Tracker and traffic analyst seems kind of weak against what’s flipped

I agree and that’s why I think a strongman + rb would be too strong in this micro

But I’m fine with the claim order mbaki proposed

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gg

thanks for modding thespio! i hope everything is fine on your end

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Hey Gamma I was originally going to track you

Mew,

what is your read on gamma?

Feeling Offers is town rn

But I changed my target because I wanted to believe you were town so badly because of this post

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Nice
I felt like your play was similar to how you were in the Mini where DVa caught me plus your questioning felt like town who intended to use that info to read people in this game (idek if I worded that well)

That makes sense. It's just that I intended to play this game slightly scummier and was like "wtf how did gamma immediately figure out I was town wtf"

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You were town as soon as you placed the second Trekkie vote down.

;_____;

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I always roll VT and don't have enough experience playing as TPR