sheepsaysmeep's mini normal review, December 2018

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But do sheep really say smeep?

1 Town JOAT (2 Rolecop, 2 Roleblocker)
1 Town Vigilante
1 Town Doctor
10 Town Vanilla

1 Mafia Watcher
1 Mafia 2-shot Strongman
1 Mafia Goon

Welcome to Mini Normal WXYZ, [playername]! You are a

Town JOAT (2 Rolecop, 2 Roleblocker)

. You win when all threats to the Town are eliminated or nothing can stop that from happening.

Each night, you may use one of your remaining abilities:

Twice per game, at night, you may target a player. You will attempt to learn your target's role.
Twice per game, at night, you may target a player. You will attempt to prevent your target from performing any abilities that night.

The game thread is [here]. Confirm by replying with your alignment and role.

Welcome to Mini Normal WXYZ, [playername]! You are a

Town Vigilante

. You win when all threats to the Town are eliminated or nothing can stop that from happening.

Each night, you may target a player. You will attempt to kill your target.

The game thread is [here]. Confirm by replying with your alignment and role.

Welcome to Mini Normal WXYZ, [playername]! You are a

Town Doctor

. You win when all threats to the Town are eliminated or nothing can stop that from happening.

Each night, you may target a player. You will attempt to protect your target from kills that night.

The game thread is [here]. Confirm by replying with your alignment and role.

Welcome to Mini Normal WXYZ, [playername]! You are a

Vanilla Town

. You win when all threats to the Town are eliminated or nothing can stop that from happening.

You have no abilities.

The game thread is [here]. Confirm by replying with your alignment and role.

Welcome to Mini Normal WXYZ, [playername]! You are a

Mafia Watcher

. Each night, a living player in the Mafia may target a player and attempt to kill the target. You win when all threats to the Mafia are eliminated or nothing can stop that from happening.

Each night, you may target a player. You will learn who targeted your target that night.

The game thread is [here]. Confirm by replying with your alignment and role.

Welcome to Mini Normal WXYZ, [playername]! You are a

Mafia 2-shot Strongman

. Each night, a living player in the Mafia may target a player and attempt to kill the target. You win when all threats to the Mafia are eliminated or nothing can stop that from happening.

Twice per game, at night, if you carry the factional kill, you may choose to use a strongman kill. The strongman kill cannot be prevented.

The game thread is [here]. Confirm by replying with your alignment and role.

Welcome to Mini Normal WXYZ, [playername]! You are a

Mafia Goon

. Each night, a living player in the Mafia may target a player and attempt to kill the target. You win when all threats to the Mafia are eliminated or nothing can stop that from happening.

You have no abilities.

The game thread is [here]. Confirm by replying with your alignment and role.

that sentence in mafia watcher pm should have "attempt to" for consistency

"You will attempt to learn who targeted your target that night."

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Primary: RadiantCowbells
Secondary: Performer

[sheepsaysmeep]

ego


i dont really currently have that good of an idea of site meta rn but i think this is prolly kinda scumsided?

[RadiantCowbells]

pretty scumsided yep

gonna think for a sec

[RadiantCowbells]

This setup is kinda ugly for a lot of reasons

Balance is wrong
Strongman counters almost all of town power
Strongman dies you can follow the vig

I would recommend fundamentally changing the setup tbh

[sheepsaysmeep]

just fucking around with some ideas because i need something to procrastinate on studying for finals with

something like
mafia 1-shot strongarm? so it's still a guilty to a rolecop

split the joat into a town roleblocker and town rolecop

disallow doc consec targeting? if that's allowed in normals

1 Town Rolecop
1 Town Vigilante
1 Town Doctor*
1 Town Mason Novice Roleblocker
1 Town Mason
8 Town Vanilla

1 Mafia Watcher
1 Mafia 1-shot Strongman
1 Mafia Goon

*doctor cannot consecutively have the same target

rolecop has an inno on vigilante, mason roleblocker, mason, guilty on 1-shot strongman, some heavy, heavy suspicion mafia watcher

[Performer]

1 Town Rolecop
1 Town Vigilante
1

Town Doctor

Town Non-consecutive Doctor
1 Town Mason Novice Roleblocker
1 Town Mason

8 Town Vanilla

1 Mafia Watcher
1 Mafia 1-shot Strongman
1 Mafia Goon
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I think the above proposal is improved over the original one, in terms of balance.

Idea:
For the doctor if you don't want them to consecutively target the same person, you could apply non-consecutive as the modifier for the doctor then.
BUT if the doctor protects on n1, then is roleblocked n2, then decides to protect on n3 and is not blocked - they still can't protect .

[sheepsaysmeep]

idk if gated doctor ends up doing anything against mafia with a strongarm though?

[Performer]

A doctor cannot protect against strongman, neither can a roleblocker.

I believe the resolution goes like this....
strongman>roleblocker>doctor
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Also when you get the chance, can you provide the updated role descriptions along with result messages for rolecop and watcher (in case they're blocked ).

[sheepsaysmeep]

yeah

but i think if mafia have a strongarm kill available town doctor with a restriction like that will be prettyuseless

Mafia Watcher

[Playername] was targeted by [playernames] last night.

[Playername] was not targeted last night.

You failed to receive a result.

Town Rolecop

[Playername] is [Vanilla/Vigilante/Doctor/Mason Novice Roleblocker/Mason/Watcher]

You failed to receive a result.

[RadiantCowbells]

what about cutting the strongman and the novice roleblocker

1 Town Rolecop
1 Town Vig
1 Town Non-Consec Doctor
2 Town Mason
5 VT
1 Mafia Watcher
2 Mafia Goon

[RadiantCowbells]

as is

the strongman is highly liable in a last man standing situation to get falsely cleared and make for a very cheese scum win

[sheepsaysmeep]

i feel like that's loltown enough for it to be acceptably town's fault? and it balances with rolecop having 2 guilties of the 3 mafia instead of 1 of 3?

if thats really a problem that needs to be resolved thoguh im defo cool with those changes

[Performer]

what about cutting the strongman and the novice roleblocker

1 Town Rolecop
1 Town Vig
1 Town Non-Consec Doctor
2 Town Mason
5 VT
1 Mafia Watcher
2 Mafia Goon

i feel like that's loltown enough for it to be acceptably town's fault? and it balances with rolecop having 2 guilties of the 3 mafia instead of 1 of 3?

if thats really a problem that needs to be resolved thoguh im defo cool with those changes

Yeah I'm content with this version as well , after removing strongman and rb.

[RadiantCowbells]

In the end the decision is yours

I think it makes the setup worse. I won't stop you from going ahead with it if you really want it.

[sheepsaysmeep]

i'll prolly go with no strongarm/roleblocker

[RadiantCowbells]

aight good with that

wanna write hte role pms or should i

[sheepsaysmeep]

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Setup

• Regardless of whether an Encryptor is present, any private threads begin the game open during the day.
  
• Mafia can perform any abilities alongside the factional kill simultaneously.
  
• At least one player has the following Role PM:

  Welcome to Mini Normal WXYZ, [playername]! You are a

  Vanilla Town

  . You win when all threats to the Town are eliminated or nothing can stop that from happening.
  
  You have no abilities.
  
  The game thread is [here]. Confirm by replying with your alignment and role.

[sheepsaysmeep]

1 Town Rolecop
1 Town Vig
1 Town Non-Consecutive Doctor
2 Town Mason
5 VT

1 Mafia Watcher
2 Mafia Goon

Welcome to Mini Normal WXYZ, [playername]! You are a

Town Rolecop

. You win when all threats to the Town are eliminated or nothing can stop that from happening.

Each night, you will target a player. You will attempt to learn your target's role.

The game thread is [here]. Confirm by replying with your alignment and role.

Welcome to Mini Normal WXYZ, [playername]! You are a

Town Vigilante

. You win when all threats to the Town are eliminated or nothing can stop that from happening.

Each night, you may target a player. You will attempt to kill your target.

The game thread is [here]. Confirm by replying with your alignment and role.

Welcome to Mini Normal WXYZ, [playername]! You are a

Town Non-Consecutive Doctor

. You win when all threats to the Town are eliminated or nothing can stop that from happening.

Each night, if you did not attempt to perform this ability the previous night, you may target a player. You will attempt to protect your target from kills that night.

The game thread is [here]. Confirm by replying with your alignment and role.

Welcome to Mini Normal WXYZ, [playername]! You are a

Town Mason

. You win when all threats to the Town are eliminated or nothing can stop that from happening.

You know that

[playername]

is

Town

.

The game thread is [here]. The mason thread is [here]. Confirm by replying with your alignment and role.

Welcome to Mini Normal WXYZ, [playername]! You are a

Vanilla Town

. You win when all threats to the Town are eliminated or nothing can stop that from happening.

You have no abilities.

The game thread is [here]. Confirm by replying with your alignment and role.

Welcome to Mini Normal WXYZ, [playername]! You are a

Mafia Watcher

, alongside

[playernames]

. Each night, a living player in the Mafia may target a player and attempt to kill the target. You win when all threats to the Mafia are eliminated or nothing can stop that from happening.

Each night, you may target a player. You will attempt to learn who targeted your target that night.

The game thread is [here]. The mafia thread is [here]. Confirm by replying with your alignment and role.

Welcome to Mini Normal WXYZ, [playername]! You are a

Mafia Goon

, alongside

[playernames]

. Each night, a living player in the Mafia may target a player and attempt to kill the target. You win when all threats to the Mafia are eliminated or nothing can stop that from happening.

You have no abilities.

The game thread is [here]. The mafia thread is [here]. Confirm by replying with your alignment and role.

[playername] is [Rolecop/Vigilante/Non-Consecutive Doctor/Mason/Watcher/Vanilla]

[playername] was targeted by [playernames]

people flip by pm except mason partner removed in mason pm, last line removed in all pms, "Each night, a living player in the Mafia may target a player and attempt to kill the target" removed in mafia pms

[sheepsaysmeep]

i think 2-shot jailkeeper instead of nonconsec doc makes the setup more interesting if that doesnt fuck with anything

1 Town Rolecop
1 Town Vig
1 Town 2-shot Jailkeeper
2 Town Mason
5 VT

1 Mafia Watcher
2 Mafia Goon

Welcome to Mini Normal WXYZ, [playername]! You are a

Town 2-shot Jailkeeper

. You win when all threats to the Town are eliminated or nothing can stop that from happening.

Twice per game, at night, you may target a player. You will attempt to prevent your target from performing any abilities and protect your target from any kills that night.

The game thread is [here]. Confirm by replying with your alignment and role.

[sheepsaysmeep]

Welcome to Mini Normal WXYZ, [playername]! You are a

Town 2-shot Jailkeeper

. You win when all threats to the Town are eliminated or nothing can stop that from happening.

Twice per game, at night, you may target a player. You will attempt to prevent your target from performing any abilities and protect your target from any kills that night.

The game thread is [here]. Confirm by replying with your alignment and role.

[Performer]

1 Town Rolecop
1 Town Vig
1 Town 2-shot Jailkeeper
2 Town Mason
5 VT
1 Mafia Watcher
2 Mafia Goon

I think the non-consecutive Doctor has more positive utility than a 2-shot Jailkeeper...the latter can be positive or negative based on who is targeted.

If a Mason claims on d1 and the Jk ends up jailing him 2 nights in a row, that could mean 2 soft confirmed town.

The 2 roles will have different effects as the Doc is simply restricted but positive usage, the Jk can be positive in protection or stopping scum OR negative to town prs.

I would say either is fine , a non-consecutive Doc or a 2-shot Jk....it depends on what your intents of the setup are.

Rc , thoughts?

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This will be going into signups soon so if changes are made before it's full that's fine, but if not, there is already an approved iteration of the setup so I will be putting it into signups under the assumption that it's runnable when it fills.

[RadiantCowbells]

meh

i will pass the 2-shot jailkeeper assuming the role pms come out before it goes into signups

[sheepsaysmeep]

most role pms and nonconsec doc in 18 and 2sjk in 20

jailkeeper is "2-shot Jailkeeper" to rolecop

rules in 17

lmk if you need anything else