micro 840: mystery box of silver (this is over)

[Mephistophanes 39]

Nancy I can read pretty well at this exact point in time (I hope). Ari is an unstoppable scum god who not even Ellibereth can read. this will be interesting.

I’m so happy. He is? Why is the hydra partner, alwyas the last to know? :/

I hope you’re right about that Ducky.

Can you catch me up? I haven’t read anything yet.

[Mephistophanes 39]

hmmm

interesting

a hydra of Ari and Nancy replaced NSG slot huh?

I've not seen much from either of them so I feel that I got even more work to do and that's troublesome

Oh that explains it. I was wondering what that was about.

[Mephistophanes 39]

Spoiler:

Vote count 1.5

Mephistophanes 39 (3):

sheepsaysmeep, podoboq, Nibbui

the worst (1):

mastina

Nibbui (1):

Mephistophanes 39

podoboq (1):

the worst

not voting (3):

skitter30, InfiniteSoda, Pink Ball

with 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. day 1 ends january 8 (2019) at 00:10 central US time; in (expired on 2019-01-08 00:10:00)

mod notes

• Mephistophanes 39 replaces northsidegal !!!!
  
  
• prodding infinitesoda
  
• skitter30 vla on fridays and saturdays
  
• nibbui vla for a while
  
• infinitesoda vla weekends
  
• couscous

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Wow, this is kind of the reverse of RC’s uPick game.

I was obvtown until NSG took over and now, I’m in the same position, just reversed.

Why does NSG almost always get wrongly scumread? Apparently RC is the only one who can correctly read her.

[Mephistophanes 39]

Nancy I can read pretty well at this exact point in time (I hope). Ari is an unstoppable scum god who not even Ellibereth can read. this will be interesting.

I’m so happy. He is? Why is the hydra partner, alwyas the last to know? :/

I hope you’re right about that Ducky.

Can you catch me up? I haven’t read anything yet.

Yup! Your slot's contributions are pretty wolfy so far imo - don't iso it, it won't make a lot of sense out of context.

have a look at poboqoboqobodob's + infinitesoda's (very short) iso's and let me know what you think of that maybe?

mastina isn't all that readable

few mega highposting slots sorry

But why is NSG always scumread? \_0_/

Oh well, time to flip that around.

Sheep is fairly good at reading me, most of the time anyway.

I will have lambchops, if you don’t unvote us.

[Mephistophanes 39]

I was townreading NSG before

but I can't get over my paranoia of her replacing

I was about replacing in to any game, without knowing what I’m getting myself into. Thankfully this isn’t Halloween Dance Redux here. \o/


NSG replaced out as town in Overkill 1. Ari took over that slot and came close to VKing me in that game. Fortunately, I’m not one to hold grudges.

[Mephistophanes 39]

But why is NSG always scumread? \_0_/

wait what do you mean here?

NSG is known for getting strongly town read in late/middle game and sometimes even in the begin.

Not in Overkill 1 and she was less tr than my slot was in RC uPick.

You expressed paranoia over her replacing out and I just showed you that isn’t AI for her.

[Mephistophanes 39]

glad it's not just me Nancy threatens to cook & eat :>

VOTE: mastina

Just be thankful, your name doesn’t have “lobster” in it.

[Mephistophanes 39]

/lazyposting

{nsg}
{tw, sheep}
{skitter}
{everyone else}
{nibbui}

I really don't think I'd done anything poignantly town indicative at this point and I don't think NSG confidently calls me down 89 posts in when she mislynched me like the time before the last time we played together.

sheep tr is fine

skitter is technically a hard read and I don't think she'd town told at all this early; I guess this is more or less fine I just disagree with it

Nibbui was wrapping the thread around his little finger at that point so I can understand why a scumread on him would be a necessity to voice. What I don't understand is why she's just put him as a lazy posting scumread, not voted, and then~~~

sorry to pile onto you nibbui

~~~ not voted but apologised for piling onto her scumread. this is pretty minor but doesn't indicate to me that this is a read she acrually cares about.

word choice / toneread

i know normally i might get annoyed at this kind of reasoning if it was used against myself but even still i couldn't help but notice it: you used the word "hmmm" three times in your first three posts (with two in the third), and seven times so far in your 33 post ISO

obviously the word "hmmm" on its own isn't scum indicative (.... i think), but i think that kind of verbal tic is something worth looking at, especially in comparison to your other games.

again, i kind of hate this reasoning when it's used against me so sorry about that, but i can't just ignore it.

This is a positioning read which comes from someone who has an ability to read Nibbui correctly (I believe she does) but does not acrually believe her scumread. I'd totally take this as a bad sod1 read which was redacted after research, so

ah, one second.

i'll get back to you after doing a little research.

actually made me stop and think for a moment, but the following at her strongest townread is like... :////

anyone who wolfreads nibbui hasnt done a quick meta check

that's a pretty bold statement.

This isn't NSG who is scumreading a player who is openwolfing and everyone else is townreading

basically the issue I took w NSG's (brief) contributions

but ye there's not gonna be a lot of point dwelling on NSG unless you have like a distinctly anti-my-read read whuch isn't just TMI via role pm

Well, I always like to start off fresh and make us my own mind.

UNVOTE:

[Mephistophanes 39]

@The worst, why Mastina?

I still have yet to read anything. I know that she fooled me in,RCuPick game. So, maybe we should sheep you?

Yes, I’m townreading you here for that wall post.

[Mephistophanes 39]

Want to explain that TW scum read or not for now? Also, ain't you a bit too quick to call NSG town?

I can do both of these at the same time!
northsidegal is, 100% of the time, always town.
the worst is, 100% of the time, always scum.

Never doubt it.

Was this some RVS joke? The worst is usually always town. If Mastina was serious with this post, than she is clearly pocketing NSG.

[Mephistophanes 39]

Sheep, do you think it's towny for you to go out of your way to check out my games or it's inside your scum range?

what would you say?

i do ask for meta as both alignments

when im scum i usually dont really read it in depth like i do as v; instead i just find something to say about it

Yeah, that makes sense.

[Mephistophanes 39]

Ok Mastina you're beginning to sound like scum!Mastina. Why is TW always 100% scum here?

If I cared about how I looked, I might put in the effort to give you a rundown here, but I honestly don't.

When I feel like telling you why the worst is scum, I will tell you.

It just doesn't feel like the right time.

I

can

force an explanation when it doesn't feel like the right time.
I vastly prefer not to.

If you can't accept that, then vote me, sure, but it'll change nothing; I'm not backing down from this. I'll explain when I feel like it, not when others dictate it. And right now I feel like being semiserious rather than fully serious, so.

this is wolf trying to have an overly clever weridly twtbw post but failing

i thought nibbui's early posting could potentially qualify as able to be considered lamist before i read this

Oh wow, this post from Mastina is really bad. Why wasn’t NSG voting her? This reads like she’s setting up the worst and has 0 intention of sorting him.

Two posts of hers, I’m really disliking.

[Mephistophanes 39]

it was a username pun

northsidegal because the term northside refers to town

and the worst because scum are the worst

at least that's how I read it

I'm actually voting mastina because the other active slots are above her on a towny metric and I'm trying to give your slot a breath.

Soda isn't active as well so wagoning him is worth nothing.

But it looks like it’s not a joke. Mastina does seem to be setting up tw. @TW, are you particularly good at catching scum!Mastina? Would she typically view you as a threat if she were scum?

[Mephistophanes 39]

i do want to know why she's so certain you're scum tho because i'm not feeling it rn

I'm looking for Nibbui's response to this btw because Nibbui should have a mindset on it.

I think Mastina saying "TW is scum, 100% of the time here" is more alignment indicative than her whole attitude about explaining it or not tbh.

You are right!
That is one of the most alignment indicative things I have said.
You are also wrong!
You seemed to be reading my statement that "the worst is scum, 100% of the time" as an indicator of confidence--

it wasn't

.

You have a really big hint now what I'm getting at now, yes?

Wtf?

Lolno.

[Mephistophanes 39]

we can agree that mastina was consciously being wolfy back there

what i dislike about it is that it feels like at some points she tried to take it and use it to get herself v cred by calilng it twtbw

That reminds of scum!Wisdom saying he has bad reads, after a mislynch.

[Mephistophanes 39]

it was a username pun

northsidegal because the term northside refers to town

and the worst because scum are the worst

at least that's how I read it

I'm actually voting mastina because the other active slots are above her on a towny metric and I'm trying to give your slot a breath.

Soda isn't active as well so wagoning him is worth nothing.

But it looks like it’s not a joke. Mastina does seem to be setting up tw. @TW, are you particularly good at catching scum!Mastina? Would she typically view you as a threat if she were scum?

Nah and nah

something redacted

But he’s pushing you, without giving any good reason. I should read some other ISO’s. Sheep reads pretty townie. Scum!sheep wouldn’t bother sorting Nibbul, he’d just continue to tunnel.

[Mephistophanes 39]

UNVOTE:

forgot to do this

at this point

anyone who wolfreads nibbui hasnt done a quick meta check
anyone who hasnt done a quick meta check should do a quick meta check


im slightly slightly paranoid that he would do better but very unlikely that there would be such a significant difference

This kind of post, rarely ever comes from scum.

[Mephistophanes 39]

Ok I'm caught up. Two things I'm confident enought to say:

Sheep says he metadives people as town; I have only ONE finished game, were surprise surprise, I was scum! If someone can tell me that I'm scum here analyzing that game, go on; you're wrong.

the worst is pocketing Nibbui, and it's not even hard to see. At the begining, he starts with the "he plays wolfy but in a townie way", giving him that sweet early townread; then, he calls him (Nibbui) out for still having his vote on him. To me, that looks like calling Nibbui's attention for the sake of it. On post 123, the worst says "did we roll t/t again?", showing once more that he wants Nibbui's attention, since almost all his posts around this point are about Nibbui (this could be because Nibbui was all over the place, but so was skitter at that point for example). Then, NSG gives her readlist with Nibbui on bottom and the worst votes NSG because "obvious reasons". And now, Nibbui votes me and the worst follows.

The cherry on top of the cake? the worst and sheep's interactions between them are pretty wolfy imo.

I solved the game guys let's wrap it up (get it? 'cause it's christmas and you wrap gifts)

VOTE: the worst

Why is it scummy to rely on reads from players, you’re mindmelding with? I do this a lot, when I can’t figure out who to vote for.

Scum doesn’t usually try to be this obvious.

[Mephistophanes 39]

UNVOTE:

forgot to do this

at this point

anyone who wolfreads nibbui hasnt done a quick meta check
anyone who hasnt done a quick meta check should do a quick meta check


im slightly slightly paranoid that he would do better but very unlikely that there would be such a significant difference

This kind of post, rarely ever comes from scum.

i kinda agree with a caveat

i think it's easy to fake and i'm not locktowning it but the perspective behind it is good and i actually think it's solvey>>>a grab @ towncred

I actually don’t think I’ve ever seen sheep act lamisty.

[Mephistophanes 39]

>preflip associatives: I talked about both of you independently and added the association as a pre joke for my "I solved it" joke
>one dimensional meta tells: idk what you're talking about
> "i'm playing bla bla": I was talking specifically about sheep scumreading me when he has openly said that he metadives as town, and it pings me that, if he did metadive me, he's not using meta on me because it would be difficult to scumread me because of meta (because I don't have much and because how I'm playing here is very different to my scum game)

So chill, we are compatible ducky.

NSG mostly because she went for the Nibbui tone read which was one of the most solid points made in the entire thread. I think she's wrong, but it was a good approach. The rest of the thread is basically "sheep's meta is this" or "this is town lol" or "hmmmm". But you're the one saying "notably towny", I don't think a townlean where she's the least townlean and when I pointed out that I have no solid reads atm is "notably towny".

mastina's lack of care looks towny

. Mostly because I think she DO cares and will come with some juice sooner or later, and she's acting like she don't cares in order to get the sweet sweet juice without interference.

Nibbui's read is independent, I already said I think he's town because of his tone. His self awareness pings me, but I've seen both town and scum!Nibbui in depth and I think I have a better towntells on him than himself.

Mastina always acts like she doesn’t care, in the games I’ve played with her anyway. She hasn’t been town any of them, iirc.

[Mephistophanes 39]

Question to everyone:

Would Mastina ever try to be intentionally scummy as town or is it more likely to be scum WIFOM?

[Mephistophanes 39]

Mastina ever try to be intentionally scummy as town

every
single
time

So, how can you tell with her?

In RC uPick, she was obvtown as scum.

[Mephistophanes 39]

Skitter’s probably town - lots of questioning and sorting.

Idk why Mastina’s pushing tw but I’m not liking it, so I’m probably going to vote there. This is obviously tw’s towngame here. Unless Mastina has some kind on n0 guilty on him, I’m viewing this nonsensical tunnel as scummy.

[Mephistophanes 39]

Could the hydra PLEASE sign their posts?

All so far have been Nancy.

[Mephistophanes 39]

For now I have only one question: if you had to focus on another player instead of mastina, who would be? 'cause I think your approach to that slot is incorrect

Why is my approach to Mastina incorrect?

I haven’t ISO’d everyone yet but it’s not just that she’s pushing tw, it’s also how. It’s like I sr him and I’m not going to tell you why, like she’s pretty certain and like I said, short of n0 guilty, this sounds kind of scummy to me, because what has he done so far, that’s even remotely scummy?

Well soda hasn’t done too much of anything yet but I’ll give them a pass until D2, I guess.

[Mephistophanes 39]

The only thing binding me to this game (beyond a general aversion to replacing out) is a strong desire to prove you all wrong, and that isn't healthy, good for the game, and I don't think it would be particularly enjoyable for anyone.

Suffice it to say, if you think me doing this is scum-indicative, you must think very poorly of me as a person and as a mafia player. The thought that I would leave this game, the mod and my scumbuddy behind just because I rolled scum (despite the fact that I made an effort and made it to endgame in TAZ, a game with

RC

in it) is actually just very insulting.

Last post.

Spoiler: not related to this game

Because of this replace out, and other replace outs like it, I'm changing a rule in all my future games. You can now only replace out via PM to the mod. Any posts made after you intend to replace should not effect the game in any way. A simple "see you guys after the game," is fine, but that's about it. You don't get to explain why you're leaving, or yell at town on your way out. I get the need to explain yourself, and the frustration that comes from people potentially misunderstanding your intentions. It doesn't matter. Once you've decided to replace out, you are no longer playing this game. You don't get to play it any more. You've sacrificed that right. Continuing to post in here after choosing to replace is as problematic as me going into a game I'm not playing and commenting on who I think is scum. I'm tired of seeing people replace out like this. Please leave.

Sorry, I felt like I needed to post that. As for the game, while NSG's posts weren't, like, good, there was too little for me actually have her is anything other than null. I'd not going to read this replace as AI. I'll wait for Meph to catch up and everything.

Aristophanes, we've played together before, right?

UNVOTE:

This is Nancy, I will be nagging Ari soon.

Tbf, I really do understand how she feels. It really does get to you after awhile. I handle things differently now though. I used to get really depressed when people I would expect to read me properly can’t but now, I just get enraged and try to strike a happy compromise between posting within the spirit of site rules and figuratively smacking some heads, and those are on my good days.

[Mephistophanes 39]

i kinda skipped the last 2 pages so far will read them later

why the fuck does everything happen while im not here

So sheep, when are you planning to correctly read us?

[Mephistophanes 39]

I think NSG just was ticked off by me scum leaning her replace out. There's some history for that and I understand her.

If that's meant as an excuse for her continuing to post after intending to replace, it doesn't change how I feel about it. Just because she really wanted to do it, doesn't mean it's acceptable. Whatever the reason. If you want to talk about the game, you have to play the game. That's the cost of entry.

There needs to be a lot more compassionate people like you on this site. You might prefer MU, they’re OCD about these things.

[Mephistophanes 39]

why does all of the fucking posting happen while im away

and fucking hydras

Excuse me? Wtf exactly is your issue with that?

[Mephistophanes 39]

hydra's opening is pretty meh

gun to my head w but it's mostly just meh

I don’t really believe you actually believe we’re w here. I will give you some time but I will become legit concerned, if sheep isn’t able to correctly read me soon.

[Mephistophanes 39]

So far pb and Nibbul seem fine to me. I particularily appreciate they’re both trying to go beyond the usual surfacey reads, you see far too often from bad town in games. This also applies to Skitter.

[Mephistophanes 39]

@tw wrt the skitter meta you linked

i think her villagery type of posting walls is better than i'd expected from her and i was kinda? underestimating her w game

but i think here theres a lot mroe genuine interacging/engaging with people and solving and she's still lean v after skimming that it's just a bit weaker

Only a “lean” V? Her thought process here, seems pretty damn townie.

Hmmm . . . sheep still w reading me and only v lean on Skitter. I will be keeping my eye on this slot.

[Mephistophanes 39]

she's rly fun to play with though

spectacular prose

@podoboq I don't know 'cause I haven't played with here, but I love her playstyle. Only by reading her catch up I feel more wise as a person. Just think about it: if she's town, the way she reads the thread is outstanding; if she's scum, even better.

What the fuck are you guys reading? This isn't David Sedaris we're talking about. This is just an atrocious scumhunter.

Are you finding fault with her play in general or just this game? This criticism seems kind of over the top?

[Mephistophanes 39]

@podoboq I don't know 'cause I haven't played with here, but I love her playstyle. Only by reading her catch up I feel more wise as a person. Just think about it: if she's town, the way she reads the thread is outstanding; if she's scum, even better.

correct
(but she's also sometimes horrifically wrong and tunnels hard)

Are you reading her as bad town here?

[Mephistophanes 39]

Skitter
Nibbul
Pink Ball
The Worst

I’m currently feeling the best about, so far.

[Mephistophanes 39]

VOTE: Mephistophanes 39

pretty sure that's the third vote

Why?

Like you didn’t give a single reason for that vote.

Did you only vote us because we already had two votes on us?

[Mephistophanes 39]

As a person who hasn't played on site in a long time, and doesn't usually play more than one game at a time, all this talk of meta is going from mildly annoying to seriously frustrating.

it's ok it's beginning to frustrate me too
+ some people's playstyles in this game are beginning to annoy me as well

==

i don't like any of the podoboq votes

==

@tw wrt the skitter meta you linked

i think her villagery type of posting walls is better than i'd expected from her and i was kinda? underestimating her w game

but i think here theres a lot mroe genuine interacging/engaging with people and solving and she's still lean v after skimming that it's just a bit weaker

ye i know how to write things that sound townie; being townie in like a generically townie way doesn't mean much for me

==

i kinda skipped the last 2 pages so far will read them later

why the fuck does everything happen while im not here

So sheep, when are you planning to correctly read us?

why do you think he's incorrectly reading you?
(reminder, you don't have to quote this entire post to answer this)

==

Only a “lean” V? Her thought process here, seems pretty damn townie.

Skitter
Nibbul
Pink Ball
The Worst

I’m currently feeling the best about, so far.

i don't understand why you're townreading me so hard

==

first! hello all!

@mod: regular vla on fridays/saturdays

VOTE: nibbui

This was an entirely clinical RVS entrance--it is constructed, rather than organic. There was an overall lack of whimsy to it, and no real lighthearted touch. However, skitter is a more logical-type player, so while I wasn't fond of it, I recognized that because of who made the post, it wasn't as scum-indicative as I'd otherwise be inclined to think. This still earned skitter a low place on my readslist, below the nulline, but only just.

And it's not just her read on me. This is useless too. These

tone reads

are nothing, and are based on literally one post, and mastina's clearly flawed

assumptions

about other players.

yeah i didn't like it either because it's how i start prob ~half my games, depending on if there's content when i make my first post

it's not constructed, and for me, i would argue that it's whimsical and lighthearted in comparison to my regular posting style (hello walls!)

and i don't dont' like her saying 'it wasn't *as* scum-indicative' as i'd otherwise be inclined to think' because i literally pulled four examples of me doing that in my towngames (i didn't check my scumgames); i don't think it's scum-indicative at all for me (and she's applying this standard to me in particular)

==

VOTE: sheep

why are you voting sheep here?

==

Btw, skitter's 722 is the first post of skitter's which I've had any feeling on at all, pretty much--and it was positive. I liked it; it wasn't something stellar, but it made me feel loosely town there. 724 actually gives me similarly good vibes, too.

the fact that the two posts of mine that give you a 'postive feeling' are ones where i'm suspicious of your biggest scumread is a little disturbing

==

Well I don't know how to help because I don't understand the confusion to be had. Nibbui is playing this game precisely how I'd expect Nibbui to play as town. I don't know how that'd be in any way subjective or ambiguous. It's exactly what it says.

yeah but that doesn't actually mean anything to me
that would be like me saying: the sky is blue because blue is the color of the sky
which may be true but isn't helpful to explain why the sky is blue

==

His reads closely mirror those of the worst, in a way that no other players' reads have,

and then when you did the sheep scumread, the reactions of podoboq and the worst were atrocious to it.

i mean how often do scum actually do this? i can't remember an example of one scum-member literally exactly mimicing the reads of their partner and then having their partner lampshade it

i really don'tt hink this is partner-indicative; like i don't think scum are as blatant about working together and having the same agenda as you seem to be portraying the pod/tw team

Well I obviously could be wrong about my read on you. As for sheep, he should be able to tell that this is my town meta.

[Mephistophanes 39]

I’m sorry guys, I’ve really been trying my best - despite being overgamed and unwell. I also signed up to play in a hydra but so far, I’m the only one carrying this slot. :/

~Nancy

[Mephistophanes 39]

b/c your townread on me is like mysteriously strong + still bad vibes from nsg + idk where else to vote + you haven't done anything townie

It’s partally a gutread, plus what else I’ve already said. I will become more obvtown, providing we don’t get mislynched of course. Since I am still trying to play catch up and haven’t yet voted myself, I obviously can’t suggest where else you should vote. I do hope we get the chance anyway.

Btw, what is it you found so scummy from NSG?

[Mephistophanes 39]

what if we actually get scum right on d1 and just quick lynch the other one on d2 though?

This literally just happened in my game that just finished with sheep!

Hey guys, addendum to "I've never played with anyone here." I just finished a game with sheep. I thought he was town in my other game, but I was wrong. He looks the same to me in this game, so I'm less confident in my townread on sheep. I'll explore that more some other time.

Well, I was initially townreading him but I thought it strange how annoyed he sounded about my being in a hydra. I dunno, I think tonally something may be off.

[Mephistophanes 39]

why does all of the fucking posting happen while im away

and fucking hydras

ancy's posting is actually very wolfy for her and her progression slowly trying to push me is terribly forced


also i dont have an issue with you guys as a hydra but hydras in general i hate playing with

I reread nancys last chain of posting and like

“town sheep can aleays v read me correctly is her go to for v cred or a lazy push on me as wwolf

and the amount of emphasis and repeats she has of that is unreally forced

Nope, it’s really not and I’m kind of wondering if you really want to sort me here? Do you?

You just seem a lot less open than you tend to be when I can confidently onvtown read you. First Nibbul is thinking something may be off and now Poddock as well and someting about your tone here is kind of pinging me. When have you ever called me “forced”?

I never fake my emotions, therefore nothing I do is ever forced, sloppy, possibly but forced? never.

And if I dislike your tone, what would make that hypothetically “lazy”, let alone “wolfy”? And how is your vote on us, NOT “lazy”?

What are your reasons?

I get the sense you are fine confibiasing me here. Town!you would try to make some genuine effort to sort me here. You haven’t even made the slightest effort to even try to engage me or ask me a single question.

[Mephistophanes 39]

Spoiler:

@tw wrt the skitter meta you linked

i think her villagery type of posting walls is better than i'd expected from her and i was kinda? underestimating her w game

but i think here theres a lot mroe genuine interacging/engaging with people and solving and she's still lean v after skimming that it's just a bit weaker

Only a “lean” V? Her thought process here, seems pretty damn townie.

Hmmm . . . sheep still w reading me and only v lean on Skitter. I will be keeping my eye on this slot.

Skitter’s probably town - lots of questioning and sorting.

So far pb and Nibbul seem fine to me. I particularily appreciate they’re both trying to go beyond the usual surfacey reads, you see far too often from bad town in games. This also applies to Skitter.

Skitter
Nibbul
Pink Ball
The Worst

I’m currently feeling the best about, so far.

i don't get where this read came from, or why it's strong enough for you that you're suspicious of sheep for only townleaning me?

it's specifically the latter bit i guess, in 904. like you use the fact that he's 'only v lean on me' as a reason to suspect him, like you think that i'm so obviously town here that he's suspicious for the not recognizing the fact and i don't get why you think i'm so obviously town or why he should see that (and tbh i think the fact that his read changed a bit after looking at that game is fine). it feels like a bit of a convenient read almost, like one you have at least in part because it gives you a reason to push sheep.

Fair. My main reason for being suspicious of sheep is lack of any meaningful effort to engage me or ask me any questions, like you are doing here.

In your opinion, do you see sheep doing that because I have yet to see that from him on our slot so far. I have played numerous games with him and have never seen town!sheep either fail to attempt to engage me or ask me questions. The only other time I can recall him not doing this, was in MU Throne of Lies. Town!sheep is also extemely genuine and I have read him correctly in numerous games now.

Town!sheep isn’t tunelled on me for no good reason either. It’s like he’s already made his mind up about our slot. Why isn’t he even remotely concerned we could be a possible mislynch?

[Mephistophanes 39]

i mean, ok, but none of that really addresses my point, which is that you seem to be hyping up the strength of your read on me in order to push sheep for having 'bad' reads

you've only been in the game since like what, thursday? and he hasn't really been around during that time or really sorted *anyone* so his lack of sorting you i don't find particularly troublesome rn (i'm not even sure i agree with the premise that he hasn't tried to sort you, but whatever)

IMO, I did wonder why he was just town leaning you. I understand you find my questioning of that either suspicious or unwarranted but this is something I do frequently as town and yes, I also often encounter the same reaction I’m getting from you.

In almost every game I’ve ever played with town!sheep, one of the very first things he does is try to sort me. Even when he incorrectly read me that one time, he did this. Yes, I do find that to be suspicious but it’s the off tonal thing combined with it, as well.

[Mephistophanes 39]

Nancy why do you think that sheep is good on reading you?

can you link me to recent games where he does that?

No, no completed games on this site. He just recently got unbanned but I’ve played plenty with him on MU.

[Mephistophanes 39]

Oh okay, so that must have been podoboq.

also I don't find anything off with sheep right now, I didn't say that

what if we actually get scum right on d1 and just quick lynch the other one on d2 though?

This literally just happened in my game that just finished with sheep!

Hey guys, addendum to "I've never played with anyone here." I just finished a game with sheep. I thought he was town in my other game, but I was wrong. He looks the same to me in this game, so I'm less confident in my townread on sheep. I'll explore that more some other time.

oh that game finished?

that's good I guess

I still find something off with his interactions with me. He usually tries to engage me and ask me questions.

[Mephistophanes 39]

it can be games on MU

what is his ratio more or less of reading you/misreading you?

As town, he wrongly scumread me once. As scum, first game I played with him, he tried to get me mislynched and was deathtunnelled on me, like he seems to be here. Town!sheep is paranoid, waffley, abd usually uncertain. He was on my hydra in team Mafia. I just dislike that he just keeps calling me wolf and not attempting once to accurately sort me. Even that one time, he wrongly sr me, he tried to do that and I insisted he was town, even when he mislynched me because he was clearly trying to sort me. He obviously got it wrong in that case but it was obvious, he was doing that.

[Mephistophanes 39]

Hey hi hello!

Ive been a bad player and partner and have yet to read past where mastina was being scummy.

I see we have 3 votes! How...exciting?
Sheepy, Podo, skitter, could you tell me why your votes are on us?

Nancy, do you always sort threads in descending order? This is new to me and I was really confused ar first! XD

- Ari if that wasn't clear.

[Mephistophanes 39]

Oh geez, Ive let nancy get stressed here

Plwase don't hate me, I'm here now!

[Mephistophanes 39]

northsidegal
InfiniteSoda
podoboq
skitter30
sheepsaysmeep
Pink Ball
mastina
Nibbui
the worst

nancy/mastina wolves
infinite soda has been sitting in the idk 1/4 of the way between idk and wolf spot for a year now

sheep/nibbui/pink/tw villas

skitter almost almost always villa she just needs a bit more to be pushed into the masonry

podo is gun to my head v but could go either way

I'm slightly worried about how similar our brains are right now.

We are never wolves here and when am I not suspicious of anyone who deathtunells me and never asks me a single goddamned question?

And STILL hasn’t. And sheep ALWAYS asks me something. He seems to be trying to sort other slots but doesn’t seem at all interested in correctly determining ours. But we get scumread for that. Okay.

[Mephistophanes 39]

Hey hi hello!

Ive been a bad player and partner and have yet to read past where mastina was being scummy.

I see we have 3 votes! How...exciting?
Sheepy, Podo, skitter, could you tell me why your votes are on us?

Nancy, do you always sort threads in descending order? This is new to me and I was really confused ar first! XD

- Ari if that wasn't clear.

Yeah, sorry I forgot to mention it. It saves lots of time, I think.

[Mephistophanes 39]

Oh geez, Ive let nancy get stressed here

Plwase don't hate me, I'm here now!

<3

No, DW, I’m sure you won’t constantly attack, belittle, criticise my reads and play. I’m sure we’ll get along just great.

[Mephistophanes 39]

what do you two think about nancy repeating that i should have her as v for meta

how many games have you played with her?

is it uncommon behavior for her? is it wolfy behavior?

No, it’s actually extremely typical. Remember Whitehouse sheep, where you mislynched me for freaking out at Murders, you and someone else I can’t remember for not townreading me? So, why do you suddenly find this to be scum indicative for me?

[Mephistophanes 39]

I think it's wolfy though

Not according to my meta, it isn’t. Most people who misread me, judge me by standard tells, rather than by things specifically AI for me and I’m very surprised that sheep would forget that he mislynched me in a game, where I essentially did the exact same thing I’m doing here and still thinks I’m a wolf.

[Mephistophanes 39]

VOTE: mephistophanes

L-1

don't under any circumstance hammer yet

also Nancy, don't claim yet

also² podoboq, according to the last VC you're voting Mephistophanes.

I'm really not sure if Nancy is scum though.

Maybe we are wrong?

What the hell are you trying to do here? Get us mislynched? We’re town here. Get off of us.

[Mephistophanes 39]

You want me to claim AFTER you’ve mislynched me? What?

Wtf are you doing?

We are 100% flipping town and all of you who are voting us are WOATs.

[Mephistophanes 39]

I'm really not sure if Nancy is scum though.

Maybe we are wrong?

Why the fuck are you voting us if you think we’re not scum?

You’re setting us up for scum to quickhammer us.

How are you not seeing this?

Get the fuck off of us!!!

You people are horrible. :/

[Mephistophanes 39]

[Mephistophanes 39]

why do you care so much about if youre being wagoned

Because I’m fucking town and don’t want to be mislynched.

What do you think of what Nibbul just did? Saying he thinks we’re not scum and then putting us at L-1?

[Mephistophanes 39]

@nancy link me to games where you feel such a need to be townread? i still think among others thats youre biggest differentiating trait right now

Whitehouse - that 50 post maximum light game, that I think Soah ran? Where I didn’t read the setup and said I was bg or something stupid?

But please unvote me before scum quickhammers or it will be too late. :/

Wtf do you think Nibbul is doing here?

[Mephistophanes 39]

Alright, sheep is town but I don’t understand wtf Nibbul is doing here.

[Mephistophanes 39]

You’re setting us up for scum to quickhammer us.

don't under any circumstance hammer yet

You can’t fucking control that. You put me at L-1? Wtf is wrong with you?

[Mephistophanes 39]

You’re setting us up for scum to quickhammer us.

don't under any circumstance hammer yet

You can’t fucking control that. You put me at L-1? Wtf is wrong with you?

I will vote you if you don’t explain wtf you’re trying to do here.

[Mephistophanes 39]

Nancy why so aggressive?

Are you in a bad mood in IRL?

I don’t like what you’re doing. You claim you don’t think I’m scum and then you go ahead and put me at L-1.

[Mephistophanes 39]

Also, sheep is town simply because he asked you something after you said that he should ask you something?

how lazy of a read that is anyway to be honest?

You can mislynch me. I’m town. VT but I don’t think you are anymore.

VOTE: Nibbul

If you’re town here, stay the fuck out of dead chat!

[Mephistophanes 39]

After we flip, lynch Nibbul.

[Mephistophanes 39]

You can vote me but I don't think that would ever make a difference...

I'm like, seriously not getting lynched here


also I scum lean you for your posts so that is why I voted you?

I'm not sure that you're scum but you're the scummiest in my book right now

and if you ask why specifically I would say is because that you're being a bit obnoxious about votes on you and entered the thread too cutesy saying that "no one but RC can read NSG".

You will after you claim we’re not scum and put as at L-1. That’s 100% a scumclaim. Good fucking luck justifying our flip.

[Mephistophanes 39]

If you’re town here, stay the fuck out of dead chat!

why...

I’m town you moron. And I don’t GAF if I get modkilled for saying that!

[Mephistophanes 39]

Also, are you in a bad mood in IRL?

Go fuck off with that garbage. Isn’t mislynching us enough for you. Just seriously, go fuck yourself.

[Mephistophanes 39]

I'm not sure though because I've not yet studied more specifically about her reactions

Also Nancy if you want to really know why I did put you on L-1, it was to try to sort you better because if I didn't, you would probably get lynched today.

You and mastina were the unique considerable wagons and we're approaching deadline and the game is stalled

Almost every player here has a scum lean in your slot also

if things kept the way they were, you would probably be the last minute lynch

There's one more reason but I'll keep quiet about it for now

I wasn't expecting such a big reaction though...woah...

I thought you were being cruel wit the bad mood thing.

UNVOTE:

And I actually would get in trouble for real, if I answer that.

[Mephistophanes 39]

i think frustration is the biggest thing she can fake as wolf

i'll look through soah's game in a bit

ISO Heroes and Overkill 1, if you actually believe that.

I don’t ever fake my emotions. I even asked Ceme to teach me how because I don’t even think I could get away with that if I tried.

[Mephistophanes 39]

honestly

i still think she's wolf by meta and she does it differently as villa then when she's wolf

she feels a lot more reasonable about it in the villa game while her snapping? is remniscient of her wolf game

No sheep, I’m not. *sigh*. Did you miss my claim? I unfortunately can’t get into it anymore rn, so I’m not risking a ban to stop a mislynch.

[Mephistophanes 39]

nancy ive played with you when you were wolf

you can fake emotion

That really pisses me off, because that is 100% untrue and I won’t allow you or anyone else to spread falsehoods about me. Mislynch if you want and you’re dead wrong about me being a wolf here. You will see. But I won’t stand for being misrepped.

I am always genuine - irrespective of alignment and you’ll just have to accept that as fact.

[Mephistophanes 39]

It's ok Nancy

if you're town here I'll whiteknight you

I'm not sure that you're town yet though so bear with me

In probably at maximum 2 days I can give my conclusions

maybe even tomorrow or today tbh

In a few days or so? I could explain everything but I can’t rn. Yes, I am really upset and I can’t explain why. I can’t really say anything more about it but hopefully soon.

[Mephistophanes 39]

No Nancy, what I mean is that I'm coming up with a metric on how to read you and that metric will be probably finished at maximum on the next two days and then I'll give my final read on you.

You don't need to explain why you're upset because with what you just said I'm 80% confident that I already know why.

How? How is that even possible? Or if you really do have some idea, then you shouldn’t say anything because then you will get into trouble as well.

But I think only one person really knows everything and they aren’t even in this game.

Anyway, I apologize for what I said to you. I am very angry but nothing I can get into in the next couple of days but if you actually do know, then you only know a very small part of it.

[Mephistophanes 39]

Nancy could you play the fucking game instead of talking about your meta? Did you read the thread at all?

Sheep was wrongly scumreading me BASED on meta. What do you mean?

[Mephistophanes 39]

Also Nancy don't get mad on Pink Ball

let's just calm down

it's almost New Years as well and in New Years we need to be nice

This is just Nancy's playstyle and I can explain afterwards how to read her

Pink Ball? This has nothing to do with them?

[Mephistophanes 39]

I'm starting to think that we've a chance of lynching scum in day 1 tbh

Also Nancy don't get mad on Pink Ball

let's just calm down

it's almost New Years as well and in New Years we need to be nice

This is just Nancy's playstyle and I can explain afterwards how to read her

Pink Ball? This has nothing to do with them?

what you are uptset about has nothing to do with Pink Ball, but Pink Ball and podoboq seems frustated with you talking about your own meta and I don't want you guys to argue with each other over it

sometimes you get upset or sad when people critiquize you and you don't need to here

let's forget what happened in the past three pages I would say?

Who are you suspicious about now that you think that sheep is town?

Who? I rarely have strong scumreads on D1. My strength early game is building town blocks. Once I see a few flips, then I morph into what sheep would call “007”.

Well, I had to do that, since that seems to be the basis of sheep’s read on me.

Well, yes, I obviously don’t like that, who does? But it’s on top of what I’m really steamed about.

Hmmmm. . . .

Well, I’m wondering why Mastina is so certain I’m town. How familiar is she with NSG meta because I know she can’t be tio familiar with mine.

I’m kind of wondering why soda hasn’t done too much and that’s another thing I find frustrating, that I could do freaking nothing and just skate but try to actually engage, I get scumread for.

I don’t know. I wish I could be more help. I’m still not caught up.

I especially don’t find it easy to solve when I have to deal with fighting bad wagons off of me. When that isn’t the case, I am way more focused on the game. Anyone who’s played with me, knows I become blatantly obvtown by late or midgame when I manage to put all the pieces together and catch scum. Sorry PB and P (though it’s true).

Who do you think I should vote for? I’m not really sure atm. But if anyone has any strong cases, I’d really love to hear them.

[Mephistophanes 39]

Sheepy, Podo, skitter, could you tell me why your votes are on us?

Mine isn't. I'm currently not voting anybody.

Ya according to VC it is and I didn't check for an unvote. Are we no longer a scumread and/or what changed?

What the hell are you trying to do here? Get us mislynched? We’re town here. Get off of us.

Nth this!
Wtf is an L-1 vote without wanting a claim or intent even for!?
Nibuli, you may be new but I expect better. What literally was the point? I want to know.

Nancy, I'd never belittle your play <3 Why would I hydra with you if I were going to do that?

@nancy link me to games where you feel such a need to be townread? i still think among others thats youre biggest differentiating trait right now

NAI nancy D1 play imo

Also, are you in a bad mood in IRL?

Go fuck off with that garbage. Isn’t mislynching us enough for you. Just seriously, go fuck yourself.

Yeah, Nibuli, this was uncalled for. Please consider your tone when approaching things like this. It makes a big difference!

Nancy could you play the fucking game instead of talking about your meta? Did you read the thread at all?

Hi! We havent met. Meta was relevant to the game and the discussion was important to the game. I was going to sugar coat this because I'm not usially rude or blunt, but nancy does not deserve being attacked here and is obviously bugged here. And I saw what your first post on site was so I really don't feel bad at all saying this...

Fuck Off, okay?

- Ari

P.edit - this is up to page 44 as a fast catchup and I am now at a new years thing. I'll do more later!

[Mephistophanes 39]

why is your "catchup" just reacting to things people disliking your slot said about you

because that was all that was discussed in the pages I read...

disliking alignment-read-wise

why for?

Also “NAI Nancy Day 1 play IMO” is like the most bullshit bullshit ever. Like that’s just blatant vapid deflection that doesn’t even try to convince anyone of anything.

call it whay you like. It's true.

That slot is concerned strictly with survival and fomenting doubt through emotional appeals and it reminds me a lot of a certain US president who flails when he’s caught blatantly being wrong.

Sorry to be political but not really because the comparison is uncanny

I couldn't gove a shit about ATE appeals and I don't care much if we're wrong so long as scum are lynched. I care when people derail scumhunting to attack my partner!

Lol at the fuck off, don't worry Ari I said after that that my intention was not attacking, rather wanting to sort her since I know her meta reads of other people are good (Overkill II as a clear example).

Happy new year to everyone! I hope everyone have a wonderful 2019, specially if any of you felt that 2018 could have been better.

I'm glad yku take it in stride
Unsure of my read on you tbh. But it seemed necessary.
Happy 2019!

Also “NAI Nancy Day 1 play IMO” is like the most bullshit bullshit ever. Like that’s just blatant vapid deflection that doesn’t even try to convince anyone of anything.

literally Nancy's scum meta is telling people she's done nothing AI too

I see it as NAI regardless of knowing we are town. If you are reading into it you are eeading into nai situations and thats gonna lead to a mislynch. *shrugs*

[Mephistophanes 39]

Still ari.

[Mephistophanes 39]

Wtf is an L-1 vote without wanting a claim or intent even for!?
Nibuli, you may be new but I expect better. What literally was the point? I want to know.

I explained why nicely in 1078 and idk why you are asking if you did catch up to page 44 because my explanation post is in the begin of it

Yeah, Nibuli, this was uncalled for. Please consider your tone when approaching things like this. It makes a big difference!

I'm not one to mind stuff like this but...

hmmmm

what was ever "uncalled" for?

she even badmouthed me when I just casually asked if she was in a bad mood in IRL to be interacting with me in such a way?

I'm nice but not a pushover. I did nothing wrong there.

K, I reread 1078 and it feels copouty. Like I don't scumread you but I def newbread you. I don't know which alignment that fits bestatm tbh. Like the explanation js that you wanted a eeaction. Did we ckne out as tow from Nancy's response? Yku barely addeess it.

Also your tine was bad. That got her reaction. Simple as that.
Just consider the other person, ya? I don't want yku to be a pushover but cinsider the way the posrs read. That one read really badly.

That's all
- Ari

Wait so are you town or scum reading our slot?

Ours. My bad.

[Mephistophanes 39]

Wait so are you town or scum reading our slot?

Confidently scumreading at this point. How is that even remotely ambiguous?

cool, thought so but a but brank and wanted to be sure.

We are town and I'm sorry if I seem not so?

Also that reaction doesn’t come from SvS so if Meph flips red I’ll eat my words and conform to the unanimous Nib-town read.

"if meph flips red I'll eat my words" confused me. This was why I asked.

So, like, w/e
Also you seem scummy from this but I'll be acused of omgus if I pursue it which is fucking bullshit

[Mephistophanes 39]

yes boss
VOTE: the worst

<3 I fuckin' love yo-

...wait that's me
VOTE: Mephistophanes 39

oh.
Well then. </3

:'(

[Mephistophanes 39]

Were legit town. Sorry I didn't do my part and sorry I was scummy when I tried.

[Mephistophanes 39]

Iunnk if nancy has final reads but mine are all stated.

[Mephistophanes 39]

That's not a hammer as far as I know...

OH!

Well thays nice then

[Mephistophanes 39]

Wait so are you town or scum reading our slot?

Confidently scumreading at this point. How is that even remotely ambiguous?

cool, thought so but a but brank and wanted to be sure.

We are town and I'm sorry if I seem not so?

Also that reaction doesn’t come from SvS so if Meph flips red I’ll eat my words and conform to the unanimous Nib-town read.

"if meph flips red I'll eat my words" confused me. This was why I asked.

So, like, w/e
Also you seem scummy from this but I'll be acused of omgus if I pursue it which is fucking bullshit

First of all, you shouldn’t be worried about perceptions at this point, you’re getting lynched. I’ll waste my New Years tomorrow corralling votes because that’s just the petty PoS I am.

Secondly, now I’m like the third or fourth person you’ve suspected for pressuring you. How many scum do you think there are? Do you really think all 3 are voting you and are on your wagon?

Micro so 2 prolly. I scumread scummy people based on scummy pushes. Sorry?
Wait, #sorrynotsorry

slightly like wrt lack of competing wagons but I sr the slot and this checks out

this wagon is probably filthy regardless of flip

I agree it is likely filthy thanks for...whatever this is

[Mephistophanes 39]

That's not a hammer as far as I know...

She fucking knows that I just said there were two votes up like four posts prior.

like I can follow this shit. W/e

[Mephistophanes 39]

That's not a hammer as far as I know...

She fucking knows that I just said there were two votes up like four posts prior.

like I can follow this shit. W/e

Odd you seem to be responding promptly to all my other posts.

Guess it was a coincidence you happened to overlook that one.

I thought we were l-1. So?
Prompness a d wagon following are two different things.

hmmmmmm

I've some things to say

Go for it!

also i have things i kinda want to say wrt meph but prob shouldn't since it's more about their playstyle than anything like ai or whatever

p-edit @nibbui if you want more time i'll unvote

Go for it also! We xan rake playstyle critiques as well as whatever read you have

[Mephistophanes 39]

A) I never fake my emotions.

B) I hardclaim VT

C) Sheep and tw are ignoring my obvious towntells.

D) If Mastina is scum here, you guys are handing her the game.

E) We are 100% flipping green and if I have to keep going through this, I might replace out. So, I hope we get checked, so I can actually stop thinking about people I used to respect.

F) I’m never signing up for another micro again after this, unless it’s jester because there when I got lynched as town, town was playing smart.

G) If anyone actually is intersted in engaging us, discussing reads, instead of being WOATS pushing out mislynch, I would love to hear more but I’m not going to read lie upon lie about my meta by sheep, tw or anyone else who literally needs a building to fall on them.

H) Replacing into a townslot is dumb when people already have their minds made up, before you’ve even started to play.

I) Whoever said I talk about NAI stuff as scum, is a fucking goddamned liar and they can ISO me in Overkill 1 and Excalibur, to disprove that.

J) I’m actually really hurt that I keep being called a liar, when I’m telling the truth and from sheep and tw, that really is the worst.

I) Lolwagons needs to stop pretending they have a clue how to read me because I see through it.

J) I will still respect Nibbul, Skitter, Podoc even if they were to mislynch me because I know it’s never personal with them.

K) Props to PB for not being a sheep and thinking for themselves.

From my brief skim, lolwagons progression on me doesn’t seem genuine and I don’t understand why tw, wouldn’t think about either the lack of resistance and/or logical associatives.

L) Lhf usually is town and I’m not the exception.

M) Ari, please don’t feel bad, sometimes town doesn’t really care too much if they mislynch and you did nothing wrong. Anyone who’s played with you, would be able to tell this is your obvtown game. You’re so genuine here, it hurts.

N) If there’s a wolf on our wagon, it’s probably lol.

[Mephistophanes 39]

A) I never fake my emotions.

B) I hardclaim VT

C) Sheep and tw are ignoring my obvious towntells.

D) If Mastina is scum here, you guys are handing her the game.

E) We are 100% flipping green and if I have to keep going through this, I might replace out. So, I hope we get checked, so I can actually stop thinking about people I used to respect.

F) I’m never signing up for another micro again after this, unless it’s jester because there when I got lynched as town, town was playing smart.

G) If anyone actually is intersted in engaging us, discussing reads, instead of being WOATS pushing out mislynch, I would love to hear more but I’m not going to read lie upon lie about my meta by sheep, tw or anyone else who literally needs a building to fall on them.

H) Replacing into a townslot is dumb when people already have their minds made up, before you’ve even started to play.

I) Whoever said I talk about NAI stuff as scum, is a fucking goddamned liar and they can ISO me in Overkill 1 and Excalibur, to disprove that.

J) I’m actually really hurt that I keep being called a liar, when I’m telling the truth and from sheep and tw, that really is the worst.

I) Lolwagons needs to stop pretending they have a clue how to read me because I see through it.

J) I will still respect Nibbul, Skitter, Podoc even if they were to mislynch me because I know it’s never personal with them.

K) Props to PB for not being a sheep and thinking for themselves.

L) From my brief skim, lolwagons progression on me doesn’t seem genuine and I don’t understand why tw, wouldn’t think about either the lack of resistance and/or logical associatives.

K) Lhf usually is town and I’m not the exception.

N) Ari, please don’t feel bad, sometimes town doesn’t really care too much if they mislynch and you did nothing wrong. Anyone who’s played with you, would be able to tell this is your obvtown game. You’re so genuine here, it hurts.

O) If there’s a wolf on our wagon, it’s probably lol.

Fixed.

[Mephistophanes 39]

A) I never fake my emotions.

B) I hardclaim VT

C) Sheep and tw are ignoring my obvious towntells.

D) If Mastina is scum here, you guys are handing her the game.

E) We are 100% flipping green and if I have to keep going through this, I might replace out. So, I hope we get checked, so I can actually stop thinking about people I used to respect.

F) I’m never signing up for another micro again after this, unless it’s jester because there when I got lynched as town, town was playing smart.

G) If anyone actually is intersted in engaging us, discussing reads, instead of being WOATS pushing out mislynch, I would love to hear more but I’m not going to read lie upon lie about my meta by sheep, tw or anyone else who literally needs a building to fall on them.

H) Replacing into a townslot is dumb when people already have their minds made up, before you’ve even started to play.

I) Whoever said I talk about NAI stuff as scum, is a fucking goddamned liar and they can ISO me in Overkill 2 and Excalibur, to disprove that.

J) I’m actually really hurt that I keep being called a liar, when I’m telling the truth and from sheep and tw, that really is the worst.

I) Lolwagons needs to stop pretending they have a clue how to read me because I see through it.

J) I will still respect Nibbul, Skitter, Podoc even if they were to mislynch me because I know it’s never personal with them.

K) Props to PB for not being a sheep and thinking for themselves.

L) From my brief skim, lolwagons progression on me doesn’t seem genuine and I don’t understand why tw, wouldn’t think about either the lack of resistance and/or logical associatives.

K) Lhf usually is town and I’m not the exception.

N) Ari, please don’t feel bad, sometimes town doesn’t really care too much if they mislynch and you did nothing wrong. Anyone who’s played with you, would be able to tell this is your obvtown game. You’re so genuine here, it hurts.

O) If there’s a wolf on our wagon, it’s probably lol.

Fixed.

P.edit. Overkill

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[Mephistophanes 39]

like he entered the thread with ~rough reads hedged for a bit then ended up with the Poe he was always going to have except I can pretty easily see this as a Nancy bus from him

no I don't really see any early posts that are mind blowingly AI? they're like Conventional OK Catchup Posts™ and he makes the effort to throw a bit of shade along the way, what are you seeing that's poignantly AI?

Why are you and sheep being such assholes to me? Serious question.

[Mephistophanes 39]

like he entered the thread with ~rough reads hedged for a bit then ended up with the Poe he was always going to have except I can pretty easily see this as a Nancy bus from him

no I don't really see any early posts that are mind blowingly AI? they're like Conventional OK Catchup Posts™ and he makes the effort to throw a bit of shade along the way, what are you seeing that's poignantly AI?

Why are you and sheep being such assholes to me? Serious question.

Actually, it’s probably more sheep unless tw was the one who told the NAI lie? I don’t know who fucking said it but I’m not reading pages and pages of my having my character shit on, so I apologize if that means I missed something important.
,

[Mephistophanes 39]

like he entered the thread with ~rough reads hedged for a bit then ended up with the Poe he was always going to have except I can pretty easily see this as a Nancy bus from him

no I don't really see any early posts that are mind blowingly AI? they're like Conventional OK Catchup Posts™ and he makes the effort to throw a bit of shade along the way, what are you seeing that's poignantly AI?

Why are you and sheep being such assholes to me? Serious question.

Actually, it’s probably more sheep unless tw was the one who told the NAI lie? I don’t know who fucking said it but I’m not reading pages and pages of my having my character shit on, so I apologize if that means I missed something important.
,

But I’m probably more hurt at tw, regardless.

[Mephistophanes 39]

@Ari, How would you feel about playing solo? I don’t know how much more I can take of getting beat up on?

[Mephistophanes 39]

I know

Spoiler:

lynch Nancy

Spoiler:

Go fuck yourself for reals

[Mephistophanes 39]

@Mod, tw and sheep are really hurting me and I don’t trust myself, not to do something that will get me banned, so, maybe if Ari wants to take over?

I just feel like for those two, it’s against me personally and since they have nothing against Ari and no one is personally attacking him and playing dirty wrt him, maybe that would be better?

It really fucking sucks that sheep and tw are doing everything possible to make me feel like absolute garbage and push me out of this game but I really can’t take anymore of their bullying and they won’t stop, until they literally drive me out of this game.

[Mephistophanes 39]

first nsg now you. nice.

why should I be townreading you?

Because I’m telling you the truth, not that it matters to either of you. I am not scum here and I completely undressed why NSG felt pushed out of this game now. I really do understand how she feels. Because it fucking hurts like hell to be wrongly scumread and you should know, that’s what I’m so upset about. I’m not lying to you. I have actually never falsely claimed vt afaik. This is fucking Necromancer, Pinball and June light game, all rolled into one. I don’t know how to handle feeling ganged up on this way. But I feel as bad as I did in June light game, when I couldn’t get anyone to believe me there either. I wish this was another jester game, so I could just self-vote and be done with it but it’s not. :/

[Mephistophanes 39]

Nancy I scumread your predecessor and don't townread your contributions so far... what do you think has been outside your scumrange?

If you think I would ever tell you to fuck off as scum, then our friendship has been an absolute sham.

[Mephistophanes 39]

first nsg now you. nice.

why should I be townreading you?

Because I’m telling you the truth, not that it matters to either of you. I am not scum here and I completely understand why NSG felt pushed out of this game now. I really do understand how she feels. Because it fucking hurts like hell to be wrongly scumread and you should know, that’s what I’m so upset about. I’m not lying to you. I have actually never falsely claimed vt afaik. This is fucking Necromancer, Pinball and June light game, all rolled into one. I don’t know how to handle feeling ganged up on this way. But I feel as bad as I did in June light game, when I couldn’t get anyone to believe me there either. I wish this was another jester game, so I could just self-vote and be done with it but it’s not. :/

P.edit. Fucking autocorrect understand not undressed.

I feel the worst for Ari because he is suffering because of what I’ve been dealing with.

Spoiler:

In my defence at the time I agreed to play, I didn’t know it would blow up in my face the way it did but I was stupid for sticking my head in the sand and ignoring the flaming neon red flags. . I hate feeling like a blight on this game and causing everyone in it to be miserable. I just keep on embarrassing myself and losing self-respect but I can’t help it because I’m really hurt and I am well aware, how extremely pathetic that sounds.

[Mephistophanes 39]

Basically like you've got a pretty broad scumrange wrt emotions + selfmeta cognisance so I wanna see the back side of that. what part of your play here do you think should be making sheep and/or me go "oh yeah ok Nancy is town"?

Nancy I scumread your predecessor and don't townread your contributions so far... what do you think has been outside your scumrange?

If you think I would ever tell you to fuck off as scum, then our friendship has been an absolute sham.

You clearly think I fucking care more about winning a stupid game more than our friendship?

You honestly think that little of me?

[Mephistophanes 39]

Nancy I scumread your predecessor and don't townread your contributions so far... what do you think has been outside your scumrange?

If you think I would ever tell you to fuck off as scum, then our friendship has been an absolute sham.

I think

this frustration comes from town who's been wrongly accused

OR from scum who feels caught for the wrong reason. I actually think we're good enough friends that I understand it's just a game, and I'm willing to put ingame stuff behind us or talk to you if I feel upset post-game.

other stuff I want to talk about when a certain game finishes (off-site)

I never react this way as “caught scum”, because as scum I would know I was being read correctly, so it really wouldn’t hurt my feelings. The exception to that was in Heroes when Tora took Acid’s side against me wrt June light game, because I was still raw over that and I don’t ever fake my emotions and I don’t take being scumread personally, if it’s actually true. Which is why I usually get townread for my reactions to that. I can get tilted for being scumread as scum for the wrong reasons but never actually hurt. I would get hurt at being told my emotions are fake, always, because that’s never the case. My emotions are always 100% genuine and sheep needs to stop saying that I fake that.

But what is really painful, is this does feel like that game (MU June Light Game) to me, because literally nothing I did in that game mattered and that’s what is so upsetting. Fortunately I’m vt here and not vig, so at least I don’t have to worry about choking. The only good replacement experience I’ve had so far, was Undertale. Maybe, I should only replace lurkers from now on?

[Mephistophanes 39]

realistically I'm about equally as upset whether you'd call me bad as town or call me bad as scum -- like being earnest doesn't mean I'm suddenly okay with being called bad. same with nsg's exist posts here. they transparently disregarded what was happening in the actual thread just to deflect people's scumreads and I'm left like "ok but we're playing a game about manipulating people and catching people out on manipulation........ ┐(´д｀)┌

basically I have enough respect for your game that I don't think you're readable by "Nancy calls people shit when she's town", I also don't think it's like a great thing to do regardless of alignment, but it's not something I'm going to take personally because it's a game and getting passionate is part of the fun. you're perfectly capable of twisting meta to your advantage as scum as well and I'm still not sure why I'm meant to be townreading you...

I’m legit hurt that you think I would put winning a game over our friendship. Do you honestly believe I would ever do that? See, this genuinely does hurt me, because it implies you think I have no ethics. I do not believe in playing dirty and it offends me that you think I would do that. I dunno, I once was really mean to someone who was agressively pushing me - obviously think they were a wolf and I felt like complete shit, when they flipped green. If I felt that bad doing that as town, do you seriously think I would ever be okay with KNOWINGLY doing that as scum?

[Mephistophanes 39]

fyi please please do not feel like you need to swear and insult people to be townread, as you're town here. there are so many other merits to your towngame which shine through esp. later in the game. Talk more on this in a couple of weeks assuming we're both here.

I wasn’t being strategic and no, I’m not proud of my behaviour, which is why I think I should replace out. This is not the way I like to play. I like to think I’m better than that.

Spoiler:

There is definitely something I need to talk to you about but I can’t yet but it shouldn’t be too much longer, before I can. I think it will explain a lot.

[Mephistophanes 39]

That's absolutely not what I mean - I know for a fact you wouldn't put winning over our friendship. I think our friendship is strong enough that we both know a game is a game. emotions soar during mafia... that's just a part of the fact we have to stand here and call each other lying scumfucks.

I will have a chat to you post-game about anything you ever do that upsets me & I'd trust you to do the same to me. that doesn't mean I'll ever go easy on you just because we're friends and I'd expect the same - that keeps the game fun.

Spoiler:

Okay, I still think I should replace out. Things would be okay, if I could just talk about it but that’s what’s weighing on me.:/. On top of anything happening in this game.

What is your read on lolwagons? I didn’t get great vibes from them?

[Mephistophanes 39]

That slot is concerned strictly with survival and fomenting doubt through emotional appeals and

it reminds me a lot of a certain US president who flails when he’s caught blatantly being wrong.

Sorry to be political but not really because the comparison is uncanny

Yes, you should 100% be absolutely sorry for this post. Forget about trump, any ruthless despots, vile monarchs or fascists I remind you of?

Your post is kind of disgusting btw.

[Mephistophanes 39]

That slot is concerned strictly with survival and fomenting doubt through emotional appeals and

it reminds me a lot of a certain US president who flails when he’s caught blatantly being wrong.

Sorry to be political but not really because the comparison is uncanny

Yes, you should 100% be absolutely sorry for this post. Forget about trump, any ruthless despots, vile monarchs or fascists I remind you of?

Your post is kind of disgusting btw.

Spoiler:

You’re fired.

[Mephistophanes 39]

Also “NAI Nancy Day 1 play IMO” is like the most bullshit bullshit ever. Like that’s just blatant vapid deflection that doesn’t even try to convince anyone of anything.

Cuz you’re a freaking expert on me?

Oh yeah, I forgot, apparently you think I have orange hair. Sorry for the misrep.

[Mephistophanes 39]

Also “NAI Nancy Day 1 play IMO” is like the most bullshit bullshit ever. Like that’s just blatant vapid deflection that doesn’t even try to convince anyone of anything.

literally Nancy's scum meta is telling people she's done nothing AI too

No, that isn’t true at all. I did that both in Excalibur, Overkill 2 and some other games I can’t even remember.

[Mephistophanes 39]

idk i ignored all the outrage; i'm not sure how much of it was ai; i've def seen her freak out at not being townread as town

but it feels very over-the-top and makes me kinda uncomfortable to read three pages of people freaking out and swearing at people and i just don't like it so i'm ignoring it and not using it either way

pedit sure UNVOTE:

I apologize for that. Fwiw, I don’t think it was okay.

[Mephistophanes 39]

bad
feels like bussing; kinda like he's rushing to make sure he's on wagon if that makes sense
calling it filthy kinda feels like he thinks it may flip town and is setting up to push on wagon tomorrow
(i know that the above two are contradictory)

I know I just swung my c*ck around on the Meph lynch but now I almost feel like TW is a safer bet

But I’m also going to kick myself in the ass if I don’t lynch this slot, die, and it gets to endgame.

Ewwwwwwweeeee. Gross.

God, I signed up for Mafia not porn. Yuck.

[Mephistophanes 39]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: The Worst

I don’t think Mastina is scum with TW based on the first half or so of her ISO and I’m becoming increasingly wary of this slot. I find myself thinking that regardless of the Nancy flip that both TWs hops on and off the NSG/Nancy wagon have been bad. I can’t believe I went from where I was at thirty posts ago to here but I think this is the right move.

Are you saying, you think Mastina is scum or not?

[Mephistophanes 39]

bad
feels like bussing; kinda like he's rushing to make sure he's on wagon if that makes sense
calling it filthy kinda feels like he thinks it may flip town and is setting up to push on wagon tomorrow
(i know that the above two are contradictory)

I know I just swung my c*ck around on the Meph lynch but now I almost feel like TW is a safer bet

But I’m also going to kick myself in the ass if I don’t lynch this slot, die, and it gets to endgame.

i don't want meph anywhere close to endgame
not sure if i want to lynch tw today. he kinda feels weird still. and has a bunch of bad posts. filthy sounds like he's shading the wagon so i don't like that he's voting there *while* calling it filthy

i'm becoming a little paranoid that meph may be town given how close to everyone except for like nibbui and maybe mastina have this read
but then i get paranoid a lot about this sort of thing so idk

Meh. The more it sits with me the more I feel like TW could be bussing but the whole “this wagon is filthy” while still being on it really gave me some bad feels about voting Nancy and I thought I could power through them but I don’t think I can, not given the previous unvote/vote of NSG.

Since I’m NOT scum here, this isn’t even possible.

[Mephistophanes 39]

yeah i feel bussing + trying to shade the wagon which is kinda contradictory
unless he's trying to go the angle of: scum must have bussed so we need to look onwagon tomorrow but then why does he put himself on wagon?

I mean if he thinks scum is bussing then the target is scum so therefore that’s fine. That’s consistent.

I just think Nancy is scum. But I find myself scumreading TW regardless of Nancy’s flip. And so logically I grow more comfortable with TW.

I don’t like this post. It reads to me like you are setting me up to follow tw lynch, before you even know what he’ll flip. I think you and Mastina could possibly be linked. And if tw flips green, then you could mislynch me and it wouldn’t look scummy.

[Mephistophanes 39]

I’m retrospect it might have been more strategic to not pressure him to vote that slot, but live and learn.

So, you’re scumreading him because of a vote, you pressured him to make? What?

[Mephistophanes 39]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: The Worst

I don’t think Mastina is scum with TW based on the first half or so of her ISO and I’m becoming increasingly wary of this slot. I find myself thinking that regardless of the Nancy flip that both TWs hops on and off the NSG/Nancy wagon have been bad. I can’t believe I went from where I was at thirty posts ago to here but I think this is the right move.

I can’t help get the feeling that Mastina has somehow set up a situation with an artificial 1v1 between tw and myself. Having us as her #1 townread and the worst, as her #1 scumread. She approaches this in a deliberately scummy way, which sets up an atmosphere conducive to influencing everyone to pick a side. Of course, since she’s intentionally acting so scummy, massive suspicion is thrown on our slot, causing us to viewed far more suspiciously then we would otherwise.

Then lol pressures tw to vote us, while still scumreading me. And town appeares to have no clue how cleverly they’re being manipulated.

Neither Mastina’s #1 townread on us or #1 scumread on the worst are ever explained, so I can’t help wondering, which one of us was allocated to be which day’s lynch. I also don’t feel that lol’s reads seem genuine, like he’s just putting his own spin on what others have already said.

[Mephistophanes 39]

Hmmm, I've something to say here but read all of it, carefully, before anyone jumping to any conclusions.

Nancy in Heroes PT:

I am not usually obvtown read from the getgo, despite what Ank said. They’re are definite differences between my town and scum games but only someone who knows my play, really really well, would ever pick up on them.

I will never be townread based on AtE ever again, since for me, that’s totally NAI.

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I think what Acid said to you back then was bad, but look, here you need to recognize that you used that to manipulate Toranaga in feeling bad for suspecting you when you were actually a wolf:

I don't wanna be the one pushing nancy cause reasons but she pings me as scum since very early and quite a lot.

Based on? You also thought that Acid had valid reasons to wolfread me in the light game. I wasn’t scum there and I’m not here either.

I’m sure you wish I was though. Sorry to disapoint.

I didn't play that game and all I said was that acid wasn't

nasty

or

treated you viciously

. I could care less what his read looked like, but I'm defending his right to say everything he said about you without being misrepresented as a nasty vicious player. everyone who read his posts agree with me.

anyway let's not do this? I'm trying to avoid it. if you're town I'll figure out soon enough and I have absolutely 0 wanting of you being a wolf or whatever.

I mean that you probably wish I wasn’t in this game, amirite?

Like here, you think that it's something personal when really, it's not. He was simply scum reading you and everytime someone suspected you, you always thought that it wasn't a *valid reason* and you say this in the Mafia PT:

I’m not going down guys and don’t bus me, please. There is no logical reason to suspect me at this point.

So just freaking chill. I got this.

To make justice though, you didn't use AtE when you replaced in Witches Halloween in a scum slot. You were pretty chill there indeed.

Also, your AtE here isn't what I would expect from scum!you, it really seems like frustated town!you.

I'm only posting this to make you understand where The worst is coming from regardless of his aligment, it's really not personal Nancy. It's just that in Heroes your scum game used

a lot

of AtE, and that is one of your unique scum games in MS. If I look on for example on your scum game on MTG or in Witches, I can see why you think that this behavior is a town tell for you, but considering what happened in Heroes, people are still going to somewhat suspect you.

I recommend that when you eventually roll scum again, you actually don't use as much AtE as you used on Heroes because that will make your argument sounds convicing. I particularly think the perfect example of what you want to do in regards to that is be more or less like Sakura Hana.

She somewhat uses AtE as scum but it's very subdued, not-aggressive and weak. Also, although she only uses strong AtE as town, she doesn't always use it as a "trust tell" (what is not allowed in the site) except when she is very frustated with the game (as you're now and I understand you, I already got very frustated on Mafia as well).

But

again,

I don't think you use this kind of AtE, attacking a person not a idea, as scum.

I think this is frustated town!Nancy

for now and I'll let you breath and give your thoughts in the thread so that we can read you better, and I was trying to do that anyway since the start.

Then yeah, for now I'm town reading Nancy's slot although I'll be very, very let down if you're ever scum here (but I don't think you are!).

I just want to clarify that I don’t view AtE as AI but rather the CONTEXT of it, so you’re analysis is otherwise correct but what you don’t seem to be understanding is that AtE like derping, are not strategic for me, in anyway. I just react when I get upset for whatever reason. That’s why sheep continually insisting that I’m ever faking this, pisses me off.

Heroes was my first scumgame ever and prior to it. AtE got me townread. That doesn’t mean, it was strategic. I was just pointing out that it was now NAI. The same can be said for my derping, which I also did in that game. I make a reference in that PT that I honestly had no idea what Siren’s Call was, for example.

So, while I was the one who initially brought up that game, my reaction to what Tora said to me, was 100% genuine, if that makes any sense?

But I honestly don’t know how to fake emotions and think if I ever tried it, It would be immediately blatantly obvious. Maybe I’m not giving myself enough credit but if I feel I’m ever being fake, I automatically expect everyone else to think that as well.

[Mephistophanes 39]

If TW is scum I think mastina has positive equity of being scum by the fact that they voted her but didn't really push her and sounded like just waiting for NSG's wagon to come close to a lynch to hammer

if Sheep is scum I think mastina isn't a out of possibility partner

Even if, anyone still scum reads Mephistophanes, that points to Mastina haveing positive equity of being scum imo

and

I've like I said, a weird impression on their readlist because it's the same from page 1 or 2 what somewhat makes it sounds like they are creating a narrative instead of looking deeper in players actions

I think what she said about podoboq and duck is valid, but my problem is that she is clearing people for stuff that sounds a bit surreal for me + was scum reading TW since the start when I think he sounded fine in the first pages.

Ding, ding, wrt the bolded, my thoughts exactly.

[Mephistophanes 39]

By the way Nancy, if you feel hurt everytime people scumread you when you're, that's borderline a trust tell. If you're scum here, bravo, now you can't get angry if someone doesn't believe your emotions; if you're town, you're making your way to that trust tell. I believe you, not because I should, but because I already thought that NSG was town (especially after some reactions of her replacement) and because you seemed genuine when defending yourself at first (back then, you didn't have to say that you were hurt etc, you just seemed pissed off because you didn't have the chance to play and you were already being wagoned. I know that feeling). What I mean is, explicitly saying that you're hurt for being scumread when you're town is a pattern you should try to avoid. Being emotional is fine, but you have to know is a double-edged sword.

That being said, I hope you feel better. Let's start this year with a smile.

Thanks for that but I will get angry anytime anyone tells me I’m faking my emotions, because I don’t do that ever. Being genuine for me in NAI. It’s only the CONTEXT of those emotions, that aren’t, like being hurt, for example. I will be hurt regardless of alignment, if someone accuses me of faking my emotions but I will only be hurt by being scumread as town. I won’t like it ever but in Heroes, I genuinely was hurt by went down in MU June light game, so when Tora reacted to THAT, I was legit hurt for being wrongly scumread in a DIFFERENT game, then the one I was playing in.

[Mephistophanes 39]

I don’t want to vote tw. I want to vote Mastina or lol.

I think there’s a decent chance tw could just be bad town here, rather than scummy. I didn’t feel his w read on me was faked - lolwrong but sincere.

I think he could possibly be a mislynch.

[Mephistophanes 39]

there is not many Mastina votes and I don't believe that you're afraid to hammer sheep

I have a bad feeling that tw could be a possible mislynch. I don’t think this is his scumgame. I don’t think scum!tw pushes me here, knowing I’m flipping green. Yes, it’s hurtful to me but I honestly believe he misread me.

[Mephistophanes 39]

im v reading nancy and

im genuinely pissed that i am

Why?

[Mephistophanes 39]

there is not many Mastina votes and I don't believe that you're afraid to hammer sheep

VOTE: Mastina

[Mephistophanes 39]

This reverse thread shit is throwing me so outta whack!

I came in and was like "How TF did we get 50+ pages since we last looked at this 2 days ago!?!? XD XD

[Mephistophanes 39]

I should reevaluate about sheep now

yeh

Just came in to say this is a dirty use of selective quoting
*shudders*

[Mephistophanes 39]

VOTE: mastina

I play during work, not during my free time. I’m not gonna make any big posts tonight. I just want to make it clear where I stand.

What a strange way to do things
But that's fine, see you in the AM!

I should reevaluate about sheep now

yeh

Just came in to say this is a dirty use of selective quoting
*shudders*

the quoted post is literally right above mine in what world do i use that with wolf motivation

Iunno it just seems weird lol
Your posts make my brows furrow sometimes.

stop making me want to tunnel you as a clear

For example...
Can you say this in words I'll understand? I'm dumb prolly but why would you tunnel us if we are clear, how the heck are we clear, and if you mean you are going to clear-tunnel rather than scum-tunnel us then wtf does that even mean!?!?

[Mephistophanes 39]

Says the wolf in sheep's clothing

[Mephistophanes 39]

srsly tho, we ain't no wolfs!
I, for one, think I've been rather towny.

[Mephistophanes 39]

i want to tunnel your posting every time i see your posts


but you angled yourself clear and im still tryign to save it for postgame but youre wolfy enough for me to even doubt that

imo never lynch
{Nancy, Bill, skitter}

probably town
{podoboq, Nibbui}

either way
{sheep}

scum probably
{mastina, lolwagons}

if you want to hammer I can't really be bothered talking you out of it but I still flip TPR

Nancy = probably outside wolfrange even if I don't love the way she got out of it.

Bill = blah blah sound real-times abstract anti-consensus voice of reason good reaction to my reaction test blah blah

skitter = smashing wolfrange on real-time interactions, read of me comes from town!her more than scum!her 100% of the time and I don't think she has the Presence and Energy to push against me this hard as scum.

Nibbui = very very likely town but his frozenness and stiffness rn is making me panic

podoboq = his scumrange would be very good for a recently returned player if he's a wolf but whatever I could be wrong proceed with caution

Uh huh, you are nowhere near “clear”. Remember I actually KNOW how to correct read you tonally and no freaking way is town!sheep ever this nasty to me and as tunnelled. Town!sheep=genuine, nice, engaging waffley sheep. Scum!sheep=tunnelly, tonally off, avoidant/somewhat hostile. No freaking way does town!sheep STILL scumread us after tw flip. I was actively trying to stop what I could tell -also by correctly tone-reading him - that this was his towngame. Anyone still questions how I was so certain of this, just ISO him on D1 of Starcraft, where I was convinced he was lockscum and I was 100% right on that btw.

[Mephistophanes 39]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... &start=800

Scum!tw. Too damn bad this game just ended or maybe we could have stopped his mislynch. :/

[Mephistophanes 39]

Also, since Starcraft Mafia ended, I can say that was the main basis behind my the worst scumread--I

knew

he was scum that game in spite of Nancy insisting during the timeframe of this game at least that he was town there, which is why I said her ability to read him was shit; I already knew she was wrong there, so I thought she was wrong here.

I scumlocked him on D1. Wtf are you talking about? I even roleblocked him that night.

[Mephistophanes 39]

Also, since Starcraft Mafia ended, I can say that was the main basis behind my the worst scumread--I

knew

he was scum that game in spite of Nancy insisting during the timeframe of this game at least that he was town there, which is why I said her ability to read him was shit; I already knew she was wrong there, so I thought she was wrong here.

I scumlocked him on D1. Wtf are you talking about? I even roleblocked him that night.

And tbf, A50 sr him along with bleedingly obvious town!Nauci and he got townier by part-way through D2. FACT: I correctly read him on D1, in BOTH games. Don’t deny that.

[Mephistophanes 39]

HOLY FUCK YES

LETS SPEND ANOTHER DAY TALKING ABOUT OTHER GAMES

GREAT IDEA GOOD JOB THANKS VERY WELL PLAYED

Well maybe you people should have fraking listened to me, when I insisted this was tw’s towngame.

[Mephistophanes 39]

So how about just use it privately

That doesn't mean discussion shouldn't be made.

Also, since Starcraft Mafia ended, I can say that was the main basis behind my the worst scumread--I

knew

he was scum that game in spite of Nancy insisting during the timeframe of this game at least that he was town there, which is why I said her ability to read him was shit; I already knew she was wrong there, so I thought she was wrong here.

I scumlocked him on D1. Wtf are you talking about? I even roleblocked him that night.

Scum!tw. Too damn bad this game just ended or maybe we could have stopped his mislynch. :/

And don't you fucking pretend that you had a correct read on him because you scumread him on D1, while townreading him for

the entire rest of the game

, up to and including

roleblocking

the only other town player alive

because

the worst asked you to

. He pocketed you hard. And I KNEW he had.

What part of I freaking correctly read him on D1 in BOTH games, are you not fucking getting?

[Mephistophanes 39]

I

'm going to wait skitter to come here and jam.

I still think it's {mastina, sheep} but want to see if I should reevaluate about sheep now that I was wrong about the duck.

why? (ie why do you want to hear from me specifically)

also i'd like everyone to share their reads on me in as excruciating detail as possible, thank you

==

i think lolwagons is very very town

==

So we can (and probably should) in fact lynch me today, but we need to not do it immediately and be smart about it.

Claim: 3x Role Awakener

.
What this is, is essentially a souped-up super-Inventor.
During any phase, I can target a player. That player will have their "true role" awakened.
On D1, I targeted [REDACTED - player is still alive, and it would be incredibly anti-town to out their identity]. They'd be able to verify this if they were to out themselves, but again. It'd be stupendously anti-town for them to do so. (Suffice to say, the change in your role? Yeah, that was me.)

On N1, I targeted Nibbui.

I have one more shot left, and I can use it today.

I checked with the mod yesterday, and if I am lynched, my role

still

goes through, meaning that I can be lynched today and still use my third shot.
But before we do that.
We should discuss who I give it to.

fun fact!
schadd specifically said that *scum* were responsible for my role change last night (and you're claiming to have changed a role so ..... i would be shocked if someone else had their role changed too)

i know what the titular mystery box of silver is; it holds a bunch of goodies and changed my role. scum must have chosen who to give it to during day1 because i got a pm at nightstart describing my new role which will be elaborated upon in the fullness of time

also i disagree that it's anti-town for me to claim; scum already know who they gave it to and what they gave out; it's not like i'm giving them any new information here or anything

are you saying that the role you're claiming works during the day and at night?

==

also my paranoia about tw largely come from starcraft sorry @tw

==

Uh.

If we publically decide who to give it to

They might die or get roleblocked

So how about just use it privately

it's not a real ability, don't worry; she's just scum

==

HOLY FUCK YES

LETS SPEND ANOTHER DAY TALKING ABOUT OTHER GAMES

GREAT IDEA GOOD JOB THANKS VERY WELL PLAYED

^^^^^

==

i'm literally not reading nancy's posts btw (and the fact that i stated so has +scum equity for her)

How are my posts any different here than in Starcraft? I tried to stop NM and Kokichi mislynches, just like I did tw’s. In what world, do you not see the blatantly obvious parallels?

[Mephistophanes 39]

i stopped reading your posts in starrcraft too; i told you that there also; i did my best not to read them while i was alive, and i dind't read any of them afterwards

anyways the content of your posts isn't what's +scum here; it's the fact that i said i wasn't reading them and that i said yesterday that they tilted me

How is you NOT reading mine or ANYONE’s posts for that matter, ever AI? I’m playing the exact same way here as I did in that game, so now Mastina’s tr of me, is making a lot more sense - even if she is loldiscounting my correct D1 reads on tw in BOTH games.

[Mephistophanes 39]

i stopped reading your posts in starrcraft too; i told you that there also; i did my best not to read them while i was alive, and i dind't read any of them afterwards

anyways the content of your posts isn't what's +scum here; it's the fact that i said i wasn't reading them and that i said yesterday that they tilted me

They didn’t tilt you in that game? You actually “enjoyed” them then?

[Mephistophanes 39]

uh no i repeatedly said that they annoyed me and that i was going to try not to read them, but sure

p-edit @nancy

i stopped reading your posts in starrcraft too; i told you that there also; i did my best not to read them while i was alive, and i dind't read any of them afterwards

anyways the content of your posts isn't

what's +scum here; it's the fact that i said i wasn't reading them and that i said yesterday that they tilted me

Um sorry Skitter but this makes no freaking sense, to sr me based on this, since it’s a blatant contradiction, since you know I was town there.

[Mephistophanes 39]

So if you insist on discussing this, you’re going to have to be extremely cognizant about not tipping your hand at all.

In spite of my reputation, I can when the occasion calls for it keep things close to my chest!

fun fact!
schadd specifically said that *scum* were responsible for my role change last night (and you're claiming to have changed a role so ..... i would be shocked if someone else had their role changed too)

You were not my target. Someone else was, so there is in fact someone else who has a changed role.

They would vouch for me.

But again.

That would be anti-town.

Do you really want to force the issue or will you trust me when I say that I didn't target you but my target is still alive and has a changed role?

How do we know that Schadd didn’t do this?

If your not reponsible for Skitter’s rolechange, why should we believe your claim? And what would you say, if Nibbul denies they had a role change?

[Mephistophanes 39]

P.edit. What if more people than Skitter had a role change? It points to your claim as not being legit, since according to your claim, only one player ought to have had their rolechanged, correct?

So, who changed Skitter’s then, according to you?

[Mephistophanes 39]

You were not my target. Someone else was, so there is in fact someone else who has a changed role.

They would vouch for me.

But again.

That would be anti-town.

Do you really want to force the issue or will you trust me when I say that I didn't target you but my target is still alive and has a changed role?

nah fam; everyone else posted already i'm pretty sure and nobody else seems to be acting like 'oh gosh i suddenly become a pr overnight!'
(also thematically i got the 'mystery box of silver'; what you're claiming doesn't match the theme and i fairly strongly believe that there aren't really other significant prs; what i got is the 'gimmick' of the game so to speak i'm pretty sure and other prs floating around odn't make sense from that vantage point)

anyways for the role you're claiming,

do you know what you give out or is it just mystic 'true role' stuff

?

+1

Because chances are that Skitter wasn’t the only one who got a role change. We did too and no I won’t say what but is Mastina going to take credit for that too?

[Mephistophanes 39]

So if you insist on discussing this, you’re going to have to be extremely cognizant about not tipping your hand at all.

In spite of my reputation, I can when the occasion calls for it keep things close to my chest!

fun fact!
schadd specifically said that *scum* were responsible for my role change last night (and you're claiming to have changed a role so ..... i would be shocked if someone else had their role changed too)

You were not my target. Someone else was, so there is in fact someone else who has a changed role.

They would vouch for me.

But again.

That would be anti-town.

Do you really want to force the issue or will you trust me when I say that I didn't target you but my target is still alive and has a changed role?

How do we know that Schadd didn’t do this?

If your not reponsible for Skitter’s rolechange, why should we believe your claim? And what would you say, if Nibbul denies they had a role change?

Nibbuis dead

Maybe if you focused on talking about this game and weren’t a hysterical basket case you’d know that

You watch it. Another crack like that and I’m reporting you.

[Mephistophanes 39]

How do we know that Schadd didn’t do this?

I'm not sure what you mean.
How do we know that schadd gave me the role awakener?
Because it's my fucking role.
I targeted [REDACTED].
[REDACTED] had their role changed.
This is a fact.
I was not responsible for skitter's role change.
[REDACTED] would be able to verify that their role changed. If they claimed, then by virtue of their role changing, it proves that two people have claimed a role change, and I am claiming responsibility for one of them.

Which automatically.
Means.
Either I am scum that somehow KNEW about [REDACTED]'s role change.
I am scum with [REDACTED] and in spite of a VERY consistent track record of fakeclaiming we decided to bank the game on one.
OR.
That I did exactly what I fucking claimed I did.
And targeted [REDACTED] for the role change.

If your not reponsible for Skitter’s rolechange, why should we believe your claim?

Because there is a player who can and would vouch for me if I outed their identity? The problem is, that would out that they have a changed role, marking them for a fucking nightkill--the very thing I am trying to avoid.

And what would you say, if Nibbul denies they had a role change?

Nibbui's dead. Nibbui died before the role change would go through; for Nibbui's role to have changed, Nibbui would need to have lived through the night. And HAD Nibbui lived through the night, I would not be claiming I targeted Nibbui; I would be claiming I targeted [REDACTED] D1 and [REDACTED] N1. I was always planning on claiming D2 the moment the mod told me that my power would work even if I were lynched.

But Skitter and us had our rolechanged. How do you account for that?

[Mephistophanes 39]

P.edit. What if more people than Skitter had a role change? It points to your claim as not being legit, since according to your claim, only one player ought to have had their rolechanged, correct?

So, who changed Skitter’s then, according to you?

thematically i'm pretty sure there's just one role change (ie i got the mystery box of silver and the role that i got is like the 'gimmick' of the setup and other prs wouuld make the setup kinda weird; but i suppose it's entirely possible that i'm just wrong about analyzing it from this pov but i don't think i am)

eh if nancy did get another role maybe i'm wrong and the whole setup is a bunch of people getting new roles/having their role chagned, and not the gimmick i thought it was

(or nancy is scum with mastina, idk)

I was voting Mastina, remember?

[Mephistophanes 39]

I wouldn’t be surprised if Skitter and us, weren’t the only ones who had role changes last night.

[Mephistophanes 39]

Meph it’s mechanically possible to vote your buddy

Come on

Except I didn’t and I didn’t vote NM or Kokichi in Starcraft either, who I also tried to stop mislynches on.

I didn’t just not vote, I actively tried to stop that lynch. I understand why Skitter didn’t buy it, because she already knew tw was scum in that game but I would have still hard townread him here regardless because his D1 play was 180 degrees different here than it was in Starcraft.

[Mephistophanes 39]

But Skitter and us had our rolechanged. How do you account for that?

BECAUSE YOU WERE MY FUCKING TARGET HOW DENSE CAN YOU BE

Why did you say it was Nibbui then?

So, you’re saying Skitter is lying then? *confused*

[Mephistophanes 39]

Meph it’s mechanically possible to vote your buddy

Come on

Except I didn’t and I didn’t vote NM or Kokichi in Starcraft either, who I also tried to stop mislynches on.

I didn’t just not vote, I actively tried to stop that lynch. I understand why Skitter didn’t buy it, because she already knew tw was scum in that game but I would have still hard townread him here regardless because his D1 play was 180 degrees different here than it was in Starcraft.

K that’s awesome as soon as you mentioned another game I stopped reading the post which is a behavior I will continue to do until my cholesterol-clogged and stressed heart gives out on me so thanks

You want to play less optimally than you can, isn’t my concern.

[Mephistophanes 39]

Maybe I should wait for PB to get here. It really sucks that one of the two players who were nicest to me, had to get NK’d. :/

[Mephistophanes 39]

the worst has been lynched! he was a

Vanilla Townie.

night 1 starts now and ends in (expired on 2019-01-03 20:30:00). please submit all night actions to me, either by PM or in a private thread where relevant. i will speed up the night if all players tell me they want that

Nibbui been killed in the night! he was a

Vanilla Townie.

I just checked the date and time of our role change and it was on Tursday January 1st 9:32 PM , that we received our rolechange.

[Mephistophanes 39]

the worst has been lynched! he was a

Vanilla Townie.

night 1 starts now and ends in (expired on 2019-01-03 20:30:00). please submit all night actions to me, either by PM or in a private thread where relevant. i will speed up the night if all players tell me they want that

Nibbui been killed in the night! he was a

Vanilla Townie.

I just checked the date and time of our role change and it was on Tursday January 1st 9:32 PM , that we received our rolechange.

Tuesday

TW lynch happened at 9:29 PM, so we got our rolechange PM 3 minutes after that.

[Mephistophanes 39]

Because what you're describing is vastly different from what I described from the onset?

yeah that's why it doesn't make sense to me
explain very slowly why it means your role exists

I don't see how it's not clear.
You are describing one role mechanic that applies to you--you got something from the scum.
I am describing a different role mechanic that applies to me and my target, Mephistophanes--I gave something to them.
The way my role works is different from the way your role works.

That's proof that I am not copying the mechanic of your role, and proof that you are not copying the mechanic of mine.

And thus, that is proof that my role is real, because I don't lie about roles. Any player who knows me can vouch for this fact. (Which, mind you, was another reason for the Mephistophanes target--Nancy may or may not make this vouch, but that hydra is half

Aristophanes

, and he most certainly would. I was also fairly confident Nibbui could do similar. LolWagons/Slaxx has rusted to the point where I wasn't sure he could, and Pink Ball confessed that while an alt they are unfamiliar with me, soooooooo.)

True, you didn’t lie about your role in RC uPick but you did in Minuet.

[Mephistophanes 39]

TW lynch happened at 9:29 PM, so we got our rolechange PM 3 minutes after that.

Which makes perfect sense.
Because I can change my target any time prior to the end of the phase.
Obviously, the change can't take place

until

the end of the phase. (Specifically, immediately after.)

What rolechange did you give to Nibui?

[Mephistophanes 39]

The way my role works is different from the way your role works.

right but the point is that both of them being in the same game makes very little sense to me

And yet, they do.

you did in Minuet.

No, I didn't.

I claimed, truthfully, that I was an N2 vigilante.
I also claimed, semi-truthfully, with very careful wording, that I would be conftown on D3...from a certain point of view. Specifically, the viewpoint that a vig kill could only come from town, thus, me proving my role would be proof of my town alignment.
The

initial

claim was a

half

-truth: the truth, from a

certain

point of view.
The

actual

claim was a

complete

truth. I was precisely what I said I was.

Lol, I can find you the quote if you like. Prior to that, you claimed D3? IC iirc.

[Mephistophanes 39]

What rolechange did you give to Nibui?

anyways for the role you're claiming, do you know what you give out or is it just mystic 'true role' stuff?

If I knew what I was giving out, this is something I'd be able to 'crumb to my target.

I do not.

I don't know what power I gave to you, I don't know what power I gave to Nibbui, and I don't know what power I'll give to whoever I target today. I only know that I give them a power. You should absolutely not reveal it tho.

No, there isn’t much point to it but I’m trying to find some way of either confirming or debunking your claim and Skitter’s claim doesn’t make any sense with it.

[Mephistophanes 39]

BTW investigatives should stay off me; they'd be wasting their action.
I'm a D3 Innocent Child.
If you are wondering, no, not automatic; I have to manually trigger it.

quote]

VOTE: Purrcocet.

Purr's got some 'splaining to do.

Actual claim: Night 2 Vig; last night, I shot Purrcocet.

(And yes, it's spelled that way. Not Vigilante; Vig. Not N2, Night 2.)

Purrcocet, a scumread of mine no less!, claimed my fucking role. He fucking claimed Night 2 vigilante. I had been

planning

to shoot someone like, say, Kokichi Oma, but as a vig the correct play is to always just fucking shoot your counterclaim especially when you don't get the chance to fucking talk all of D2.

I was basically breadcrumbing this role in every fucking post of mine (I can pull up my VERY specific wordings in a bit), but.
The reasoning for the fakeclaim should be self-evident. I said on D3 I would be an innocent child; that's because you don't fucking give a vigilante to a scum player, and the proof would be in the second nightkill with me having killed Purrcocet. (Well originally I was planning on shooting Kokichi, but. Yaknow. Claimed my exact fucking role, and all that.) By claiming D3 Innocent Child, I would lead scum to think I had no night action; by claiming D3 innocent child, I would lead players to think that I was utterly harmless before D3.

But for SOME fucking reason.

Purrcocet isn't dead.

So.

Purrcocet.
You've got some 'splainin' to do.

Convenient, that you left that part out.

[Mephistophanes 39]

Okay stop with the fucking quote walls on other games seriously

It took me too long to scroll through that on mobile

Mastina neglected her initial D3 IC claim, which was obviously false.

[Mephistophanes 39]

Like, was the wording that they had chosen you, chosen the power, or was it explicit either way, Skitter?

they wording def implied that they picked me specifically to give it to, and i asked shadd to confirm that to make sure i wasn't reading into implications that didn't actually exist, as i have a tendency to do that sometimes

i'm pretty sure they didn't choose the nature of the pr, but they did know what they were giving me

Ours was more generic in the wording, so I just assumed that this game was similar to DnD Mafia, where everyone gets to level up each night,

[Mephistophanes 39]

Meh. That’s what I’m going with.

Scum Mystery Box: Give chosen power from a list to non-NK target each night

Town Myster Box: Give unknown power to chosen person

If anyone has better theories toss them out there.

i'm pretty sure it was a one-time only deal; don't think anyone else is getting something like this from them on another night

If Mastina did in fact give us the rolechange, than I totally buy that she wouldn’t have known anything about the power.

[Mephistophanes 39]

Convenient, that you left that part out.

Left what out?

You're not showing anything I didn't show, except for my reasons for having shot Purrcocet that I cut out for brevity's sake. (They weren't necessary to prove the point.)

I was a Night 2 Vigilante.
I shot Purrcocet.
On D3.
I claimed Night 2 Vigilante, that shot Purrcocet, and laid out the reasons for the prior misleading in my role.
I also was, quite clearly, rather explicitly.
The whole time.
Unambiguously, 100%. Breadcrumbing my true role of N2 Vigilante.

Or are you going to say that those breadcrumbs

weren't

me saying my true role there?
Because they really don't get more explicit than that.

I don’t understand why you left out your initial D3 IC claim.

[Mephistophanes 39]

i guess there's a slight chance that mastina isn't scum here but a lot of things are pointing in that direction rn for me

Yup

The whole you have to/should lynch me thing feels gambity. Best bet I call those bluffs.

And apparently Meph said her power might not be that great. So.

Out rolechange doesn’t benefit Mastina in anyway.

[Mephistophanes 39]

i guess there's a slight chance that mastina isn't scum here but a lot of things are pointing in that direction rn for me

Yup

The whole you have to/should lynch me thing feels gambity. Best bet I call those bluffs.

And apparently Meph said her power might not be that great. So.

Out rolechange doesn’t benefit Mastina in anyway.

That’s why I believe she doesn’t know what it is but yeah, not too useful.

[Mephistophanes 39]

The whole you have to/should lynch me thing feels gambity. Best bet I call those bluffs.

I haven't submitted a D2 target yet btw so, uh.

Can we get back to discussing your thoughts on different options like I originally fucking asked?

Then

you can lynch me because right now this is just a gigantic waste of time because it's not productive. My role is real; discussing if it's real won't do any good, but discussing how to use it will.

If you sent a rolechange to someone rn, when would they be informed of it?

[Mephistophanes 39]

like i guess my gripe rn is that my role is pretty powerful and it kinda makes sense as it's own complete package

if mastina is town and she has the possibility to give out things to players (including scum!) like i guess the game suddenly becomes a lot more swingy and messy if that makes sense

It’s like the PR version of a fruit vendor, except she doesn’t know the fruit.

[Mephistophanes 39]

If you sent a rolechange to someone rn, when would they be informed of it?

You have the absolute shittiest reading comprehension I've ever seen.

TW lynch happened at 9:29 PM, so we got our rolechange PM 3 minutes after that.

Which makes perfect sense.
Because I can change my target any time prior to the end of the phase.
Obviously, the change can't take place

until

the end of the phase. (Specifically, immediately after.)

I can submit any time prior to the lynch, and the change happens immediately after the lynch.

I would appreciate it if you’d fucking knock off the insults. Kthanx.

So, this can’t confirm or unconfirm until after the EOD 2.

[Mephistophanes 39]

idk posts like this one are kinda townie but i'm a little wary that they're designed to seem that way to get people to back off lynching you

Well I'd be self-voting right now if not still deciding who to target, so.

Why would you be self-voting, if you’re town?

[Mephistophanes 39]

@everyone:

If anyone (other than mastina) has an idea as to where Meph got her power at the beginning of night one, please say something?

Read my post, I'm pretty much convinced of what I'm saying.

Unless I'm reading you incorrectly, you think that both skitter and Meph received new abilities from scum, and that all town roles at the beginning of the game were VT.

I'm fine with that interpretation, except that both Meph and skitter received their powers at the beginning of the night phase, which means it's not a night action, that scum would have to hand out two different abilities to two different players, and that both of those players are bulletproof (at least the night of).

Yeah yeah my point still stands, I meant that the scum had to give these powers to town and they couldn't nightkill them, so they give the powers and then make the kill at night.

Theoretically, I can see all those things being true also. But it has issues since Meph and skitter's claims mismatch in a lot of ways. Primarily, that skitter apparently knows that her ability came from scum, and Meph doesn't seem to have that info.

I’ve already said that my ability doesn’t benefit Mastina in anyway, so if she was the one to give me the rolechange, it makes sense that she doesn’t know what it is.

[Mephistophanes 39]

Mastina, since apparently you are omnipresent in all games of mafia ever played and have a perfect memory of all of them, please verify for the class that this is, in fact, the most toxic game I have ever been a part of.

Spoiler:

I can’t help get the feeling that Mastina has somehow set up a situation with an artificial 1v1 between tw and myself. Having us as her #1 townread and the worst, as her #1 scumread.

You apparently haven't been paying attention

if you think the worst is my #1 scumread; that'd be podoboq.

You also apparently haven't been reading my

fucking

posts, because.

She approaches this in a deliberately scummy way

I already

fucking

answered this. I did no such thing so stop

fucking

saying I did.

Neither Mastina’s #1 townread on us or #1 scumread on the worst are ever explained

Also false.

Read my

fucking

posts because

literally nothing you're saying about me is true

.

The way you talk to players, supposedly your teammates, is not conducive to us playing a game together. You aren't the only one, but you seem to have the strongest ego, and you are the loudest, so I'm directing this at you. You make this game toxic, and unfun to play.

I would be posting this stuff in the dead thread, but I don't have the good fortune of being dead, so I'm gonna post it here. This isn't AI content, and it's not discussing AI content. I just need to say it.

Spoiler:

Maybe if you focused on talking about this game and weren’t a hysterical basket case you’d know that

You watch it. Another crack like that and I’m reporting you.

Jesus, get a thicker skin or stop playing mafia for a while.

Lobbing an insult here or there isn't against site or game rules.

I never fake my emotions, therefore nothing I do is ever forced, sloppy, possibly but forced? never.

A) I never fake my emotions.

This is pretty flagrantly playing with the line of trust tell, though, which is explicitly against site rules. Watch it or I might report you

Basically like you've got a pretty broad scumrange wrt emotions + selfmeta cognisance so I wanna see the back side of that. what part of your play here do you think should be making sheep and/or me go "oh yeah ok Nancy is town"?

Nancy I scumread your predecessor and don't townread your contributions so far... what do you think has been outside your scumrange?

If you think I would ever tell you to fuck off as scum, then our friendship has been an absolute sham.

You clearly think I fucking care more about winning a stupid game more than our friendship?

You honestly think that little of me?

Whether or not you consider the "

faking emotions

" thing a trust tell, this is unacceptable. While it's not against site rules, you are holding your relationships with other players hostage, telling them that scumreading you means that they care more about the game than your friendship. How dare you do that to another player. Insults are happening within the context of a game, and can be handwaved and ignored. You're the one making things personal.

whatever i'll just say my bit now because this is really starting to upset me; sorry if i cause another outburst

nancy, you respond to normal criticism within the scope of the game - ie like people scumreading you or saying you may be within your scum meta - by lashing out at people: swearing at them, calling them names, threatening to not talk to people, threatening to rep-out, attacking their character, attacking your friendship with them etc

it's at best disruptive and distasteful and at worst toxic and emotionally manipulative to get people to say what you want to hear (or at least to stop saying what you don't like)

it's making me upset and uncomfortable to read interactions like this; i really don't like it and it kinda fucks with my head to read this sort of thing. and the game is rather small so i feel like i can't just ignore you altogether.

(i'm aware i'm playing a game that's inherently about manipulation but i feel like this sort of thing crosses the line)

Thanks, skitter.

Disagree and I 100% WILL report ANYONE who insults me in such a way. I would strongly advise you not to volunteer.

Your bs psychobabble analysis is not appreciated btw.

[Mephistophanes 39]

Someone mentioned a mass claim. I think we can afford to wait one more day. Kirby, Me, Podo, and Skitter are all onboard with how the others are thinking, so I think the only thing I want revealed at this point is Meph’s gifted ability.

It serves no town purpose for us to do that so no.

[Mephistophanes 39]

Someone mentioned a mass claim. I think we can afford to wait one more day. Kirby, Me, Podo, and Skitter are all onboard with how the others are thinking, so I think the only thing I want revealed at this point is Meph’s gifted ability.

It serves no town purpose for us to do that so no.

If we do do a mass claim tomorrow, I’m okay with that.

[Mephistophanes 39]

I think you could solve your read on me on other interactions instead of us two in specific, if you wish to sort me, but I think I got plenty of towncred on D1 because of interactions, reactions, good reads and overall playing for a town win. I mean, if I knew you were the tracker, or know that there was a tracker at all, I don't know if mastina would've made the kill instead of me, for instance. I was a solid townread, why let the second highest wagon to make the kill?

I think that's the only reason I could believe mastina's claim also; why did mastina did the kill and not her partner? Was sheep more suspicious than mastina? Maybe mastina's partner is LolWagons and they were afraid you would follow duck's final interaction with him to track instead of mastina.

Either way, lynching mastina today is a good alternative.

I am extremely suspicious of Slaxx demanding ONLY we claim and not as part of a D3 mass claim. I don’t see that as anyway townie. So, rn they are my #1 scumread, followed by sheep. Mastina is ???

Having never actually played with town!Mastina and Labrynth doesn’t count (since Ank did most of the posting), I can say that she is way more annoying in this game then the 2 games I played with her as scum.

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Someone mentioned a mass claim. I think we can afford to wait one more day. Kirby, Me, Podo, and Skitter are all onboard with how the others are thinking, so I think the only thing I want revealed at this point is Meph’s gifted ability.

It serves no town purpose for us to do that so no.

If we do do a mass claim tomorrow, I’m okay with that.

Who tf is Kirby?

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Pretty confident that PB is town here.

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LolWagons is still town to me for now. Maybe I'm blind by the fact that his approach to the game makes me comfortable, but I like to believe there's towny things coming from him. I don't the push on TW was good, but his claim was garbage, and I understand why he was lynched. When I came back to the thread to see that the day was over and he was lynched on a holiday, I was kind of furious, but catching up, I get it. He shouldn't have claimed a PR.

I don't know how to read sheep. Thought I did, but since our last game ended, and I was clearly wrong about his slot, the things that I thought were town AI from him are no longer town AI. I got nothing on that slot except for its associations, which aren't exceptionally bad based only on TW and Nibbui's flips.

Why does town ever single out the one player who town!tw has as his never lynching and while advocating a mass claim - for everyone else, D3. How is this even remotely townie?

If I honestly believed that there was some town benefit to doing so. unlike Skitter’s reveal, I would 100% do so but like I said, I’m fine with doing it along with everyone else in a D3 mass claim.

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LolWagons is still town to me for now. Maybe I'm blind by the fact that his approach to the game makes me comfortable, but I like to believe there's towny things coming from him. I don't the push on TW was good, but his claim was garbage, and I understand why he was lynched. When I came back to the thread to see that the day was over and he was lynched on a holiday, I was kind of furious, but catching up, I get it. He shouldn't have claimed a PR.

I don't know how to read sheep. Thought I did, but since our last game ended, and I was clearly wrong about his slot, the things that I thought were town AI from him are no longer town AI. I got nothing on that slot except for its associations, which aren't exceptionally bad based only on TW and Nibbui's flips.

Why does town ever single out the one player who town!tw has as his never lynching and while advocating a mass claim - for everyone else, D3. How is this even remotely townie?

If I honestly believed that there was some town benefit to doing so. unlike Skitter’s reveal, I would 100% do so but like I said,

I’m fine with doing it along with everyone else in a D3 mass claim

.

P.esit. What I mean is that our reveal isn’t helpful like Skitter’s obviously was. Otherwise, we would absolutely do it.

Really, really don’t care for Slaxx’s highly suspicious rollefishing and neither does Ari.

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Lol so like, how about we not wagon obvtown mastina, ya?

Also if skitty is claiming tk be like a D3 IC they are off the table.

Slaxx and sheeo should be scum here and I'd ve really surprised if I'm wrong.

So uh ya. I guess I'll keep reading!

DrunknAri Out!

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Lol you literally said earlier it was a weak role, if I recall, basically unprompted. At that time I told you not to disclose anymore.

As the day progressed, it made more sense for you to claim after Skitter did.

Mastina isn’t obvtown here by any means.

No, because

A) our info isn’t at all helpful like Skitter’s.

B) We are fine with doing that as part of a mass claim.

Mastina said she sent this during the day and receiving the rolechange occurred 3 minutes after TW flip, so it confirms that it indeed was a day action and like I’ve already stated more than once - the rolechange in no way benefits her and therefore, I totally believe that she has no idea what it is.

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P.edit. I don’t understand why you’re rolefishing here. Again, for like the gazillionth time, we will reveal it, when we do the mass claim and not a moment sooner.

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Why does “it doesn’t benefit her” lead you to “she doesn’t know what it is”?

Because, I can’t see any motivation for her to send us what she did and she claimed not to know what that is and based on this, I see no reason to disbelieve her.

Why does Mastina - let alone ANYONE send us a rolechange, that is completely useless to her position in the game?

Tell me how that even remotely makes any sense at all.

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For the love of Christ fine.

Okay, so I think I might get what’s going on here

, someone remind me to bring it up tomorrow.

We are still lynching Mastina.

You’re probably wrong?

Like you were on tw?

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Why does “it doesn’t benefit her” lead you to “she doesn’t know what it is”?

Because, I can’t see any motivation for her to send us what she did and she claimed not to know what that is and based on this, I see no reason to disbelieve her.

Why does Mastina - let alone ANYONE send us a rolechange, that is completely useless to her position in the game?

Tell me how that even remotely makes any sense at all.

If the mechanic was forced, like I assume skitter receiving her thong was.

I’m not following. However, I will also tell you that what she sent us has no scum utility whatsoever. IOW, no scum would ever KNOWINGLY send us what she did. Our rolechange may be relatively useless but 100% townbased.

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For the love of Christ fine.

Okay, so I think I might get what’s going on here

, someone remind me to bring it up tomorrow.

We are still lynching Mastina.

You’re probably wrong?

Like you were on tw?

First of all, that “I think I know what’s going on here” thing was in your defense, I was being purposefully vague. You’re fucking insufferable.

Secondly, for someone who thinks I’m scum, you sure are enjoying needling me and taunting me for being wrong on TW a lot. Aren’t you supposed to think I did that on purpose? And by the way, knew he was lying about the claim, so, half-wrong.

A) I <3 you too.

B) I was tr you, until the point where I read that you were singling us out, apart from the mass claim, to claim today, when our doing so has absolutely no benefit to town.

If I thought doing so would be more beneficial to sorting Mastina, then to massclaiming on D3, I would out it now but it won’t have any effect on it. All the info does, is based on logic - backup what she’s been saying about it.

If we’re still even alive on D3, you’ll completely understand.

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Why does “it doesn’t benefit her” lead you to “she doesn’t know what it is”?

Because, I can’t see any motivation for her to send us what she did and she claimed not to know what that is and based on this, I see no reason to disbelieve her.

Why does Mastina - let alone ANYONE send us a rolechange, that is completely useless to her position in the game?

Tell me how that even remotely makes any sense at all.

If the mechanic was forced, like I assume skitter receiving her thong was.

I’m not following. However, I will also tell you that what she sent us has no scum utility whatsoever. IOW, no scum would ever KNOWINGLY send us what she did. Our rolechange may be relatively useless but 100% townbased.

Have you not been following along at all? I don’t think they would choose to give skitter what they did. It was forced.

Not disagreeing on Skitter, just OUR rolechange. But scum!Mastina wouldn’t give us or anyone what she did KNOWINGLY, was my point, because it is clearly of no benefit to either her or scum.

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P.edit. How are you so certain Mastina sent Skitter that?

Unless you think someone OTHER than Mastina is responsible for our rolechange, it STILL makes 0 sense.

And she also seemed that be extremely upset that I claimed at all, which makes absolutely no sense whatsoever if she had any inkling of what she gave us.

Especially if she’s scum.

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That last point makes no sense because I’m pretty sure the last one if not two instances of you mocking me for being wrong on TW claim came post-“rolefishing”

I was suspicious that you insisted we claim and everyone else on D3.

I don’t want to risk another mislynch, I was adamantly opposed to the first one.

If you can explain how Skitter rolechange points to Mastina and why she would knowingly give us something relatively useless but blatantly townie, I’m all ears.

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I never said Mastina specifically sent that to skitter? My best guess is it’s factional.

But my point is that it makes no sense for scum!Mastina to send what she did to us and her scumteam to send Skitter, what she received.

If Mastina flips scum here, then that would have to be the most insane gambit in Mafia history.

[Mephistophanes 39]

Hey Meph, whoever you are 'cause you still ain't signing your posts. If you're not going to claim today, let's stop the claim conversation then... Move on. Why is sheep scum?

i want to w read nancy drew despite the terrible angleshooting because blocking didnt work and idk

whether to be thankful or not but

VOTE: meph

Whatever you can say wrt to my play, right when we replaced in, sheep isn’t this terrible at reading me at this point. And this post, makes that like - building falling on you, literally clear why.

Like, can anyone even explain to me, wtf his post is even about? All I know, is it definitely doesn’t sound townie - definitely not something town!sheep would ever post, because town!sheep’s posts, actually make sense. The last part in particular is atrocious.

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I have some thoughts myself too, two things in concrete: would townPR!mastina change a scum role too? Like, if she hits scum with her ability, does that affect said scum?

My second thought is lynching sheep today instead of mastina in order to give mastina the chance to give her allegedly third power up and lynch her in D3 if things don't add up. I think we'll have more info on D3 about this whole setup thing. Also sheep is scum so let's lynch him

Sheep voting us over Mastina, is definitely telling, It makes me think he might know what her alignment is.

But tonally, he is definitely off here. He was angry at us, pretty much before we posted anything.

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He*

I having the worst time with genders this game and I’m really fucking sorry

I’m not usually like that.

user link added for convenience

-s

[Mephistophanes 39]

why does all of the fucking posting happen while im away

and fucking hydras

im v reading nancy and im genuinely pissed that i am

i lost all of my motivation to play after nancy's posting this morning

I have some thoughts myself too, two things in concrete: would townPR!mastina change a scum role too? Like, if she hits scum with her ability, does that affect said scum?

My second thought is lynching sheep today instead of mastina in order to give mastina the chance to give her allegedly third power up and lynch her in D3 if things don't add up. I think we'll have more info on D3 about this whole setup thing. Also sheep is scum so let's lynch him

Sheep voting us over Mastina, is definitely telling, It makes me think he might know what her alignment is.

But tonally, he is definitely off here. He was angry at us, pretty much before we posted anything.

im angry at you but in what world would i be angry before you post

youre grasping so hard for reasons

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the last game i played with nancy iirc: she was wolf on mtgs

i townread her and she kept repeating sheep always reads me correctly sheep always reads me correctly

[unv][/unv]

would switch to mastina but not duck


i fucking hate this but at this poitn it would be throwing to ignore that nancy is villager

Here’s yet another post where you’re once again pissed that you v read us. But I understand why you’re voting us and I’m also pretty damned sure if you don’t get lynched, we’re 100% dying tonight.

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shrug if you lynch me lynch meph after

Let’s get real here, m‘m'kay?

You’ve played with scum!me - once on a site, where I flaked because I hated the formatting so damned much and once on MU - out of how many games as town?

And please share with the class, how much effort I ever put into actually GAF about doing jack to actually try to sort players, make decent reads and put real effort into helping solving the game as scum?

Be honest here for once. You know in both of those scumgames you’ve played with me, I never really did too much of any of that.

If you were actually town here, you’d not be sr me at all but

instead arguing why I’m wrong and how you’re obviously town

. You’re not doing that here, because you’re not.

Wrt you offering to be lynched, you are probably just gambitting or want out of this game.

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i want to w read nancy drew

despite the terrible angleshooting because blocking didnt work

and idk whether to be thankful or not but VOTE: meph

This reasoning for your vote, doesn’t even make a bit of sence. And town!you hedges on reading me, not right in the vote. Like wtf are you even saying here and whether or not you’re “thankful”? Seriously dafuq? ? ?

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Ooo no deaths!

Anyone have anything to claim?

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EVERYONE HOLD YOUR FUCKING HORSES!

WE HAVE SOMETHING TO SHARE AND I WANTED TO KNOW IF ANYONE HAD ANYTHING TO CLARIFY FIRST!

Holy frig man.

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It’s okay, I unvoted, you’re not at L-1.

Thank God!

I'm out but geez y'all are vote happy!

[Mephistophanes 39]

Sheep, do you have anything to claim other than your N6 vig? Because that's fucking useless and I need to know.

And if anyone blocked the kill last night woth a save, rb, jk, whatever they can claim before or after we do, but there is no reason not to as it will provide important info we need to sort this!

Game is ez money we just need to be reasonable and follow a proper chain of events.

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For good reasons that I will absolutely tell you after a brief conversation with sheep I need them to answer me first.

This is something I will wait on.

- Ari.
These have all been me.

[Mephistophanes 39]

what do you want

im dont have anything to claim rn outside of that

Excellent! In that case,

VOTE: Sheep

We got an N2 investigation called an Investigatoire. It gives us either an Innocent (green) or a Guilty (red) on an investigated player. Obviously we targeted Sheep last night, and we returned a Guilty (red) result.

Now, I will be 100% open in saying that the role literally said that an Innocent result would be a guaranteed innocent, but a Guilty read would not. So had they been Green we would have outed that, shifted our reads accordingly, and confirmed them absolutely as town. We got a Guilty meaning they SHOULD FLIP RED and end the game. I delayed claiming to ensure they did not hame a Miller of any sort to claim .