Merchant's Daughter [Endgame]

[Nancy Drew 39]

Hello \o/

Hey.

Spoiler:

[Nancy Drew 39]

Okay, so many great looking ladies.
However, lucky for you lot

I'm not a picky gentleman.

I will dance with anyone!

So the question is, who wants me?

Ew

Sorry, I’ll have to agree with Alisae here. You don’t want to dance with just “ANYONE”, since “anyone” might be scum.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Nancy, we should be bffs this game and talk about boys and stuff

Sure, I’m really looking forward to us comparing notes in the ladies’s room and later, braiding each other’s hair.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Ew

I promised myself I wouldn't cry...
Plus there's still 7 more to move onto!

Girls don't want a guy that doesn't compromise and go for whoever takes him, you don't make us feel special.

If you like it you then should put a ring on it

+1

I’m not sure he actually cares, which lady he puts a ring on.

Spoiler:

[Nancy Drew 39]

Wait... Are you friendzoning me?

Wait... Are you friendzoning me?

Yes. I don't handle rejection very well!
It's really not you, it's me!

Yeah, true. It really is YOU.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Sorry, I’ll have to agree with Alisae here. You don’t want to dance with just “ANYONE”, since “anyone” might be scum.

Is this a no from you then?

You need to woo me first. I have “standards”, you know. *emo hairflip*

[Nancy Drew 39]

Yeah, true. It really is YOU.

I don't even care! There's still 6 other potential lucky, lucky ladies!

Oh there, there, I didn’t say no . . . yet.

But there’s 8 other gents to choose from you know. I need to vet them all, before I give my hand to the one lucky guy. Nothing personal, you understand.

[Nancy Drew 39]

You need to woo me first. I have “standards”, you know. *emo hairflip*

I mean, I'll take it! It wasn't a full blown no!
I will work to getting you to accept my dance!

Smart man. I like the way you think.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Not to brag, but I did turn up on time unlike those other gentleman. And I can drive.

Tbf, it’s a dance not an actual date but noted. What kind of car you got?

~ *not a golddigger*

[Nancy Drew 39]

Okay, so many great looking ladies.
However, lucky for you lot

I'm not a picky gentleman.

I will dance with anyone!

So the question is, who wants me?

Ew

Sorry, I’ll have to agree with Alisae here. You don’t want to dance with just “ANYONE”, since “anyone” might be scum.

Btw I'm really happy that you thought I was Alisae, that means I'm looking pretty

Oh

It sounded like an Alisae post. *fixes mascara*

[Nancy Drew 39]

Tbf, it’s a dance not an actual date but noted. What kind of car you got?

~ *not a golddigger*

Okay, okay listen! The type of car doesn't make the gentleman! I want to say it's an amazing car, fast and costs over a score! I want to say that...
I can pick the lucky lady up (that's you) and drive you to the dance. No turning up on the bus and risking getting your dress dirty.

Be still, my beating heart.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Shit you have a car?!?!!?? You should've started with that!

Maybe we can go to McDonalds after my

date

dance with Nancy,

Mate.

2 timing me, already? Whaddaya take me for? Harumph

[Nancy Drew 39]

I don't have a car but I look good in a suit and I'll buy you flowers

Lillacs are my favourite. *swoon*

[Nancy Drew 39]

2 timing me, already? Whaddaya take me for? Harumph

Okay, this looks bad but I swear I have no interest in Pink Ball! Unless Pink Ball is going to be the stereotypical "ugly" lady until taking the glasses off. If that's the case, then get your coat, you're getting the bus!

Lolwut?

And don’t you dare diss my wingwoman, you cad!

[Nancy Drew 39]

Okay, this looks bad but I swear I have no interest in Pink Ball! Unless Pink Ball is going to be the stereotypical "ugly" lady until taking the glasses off. If that's the case, then get your coat, you're getting the bus!

You're a bit of a player, aren't you?

Vedith is starting to remind me of every bad boyfriend I’ve ever had.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Lolwut?

And don’t you dare diss my wingwoman, you cad!

I would never!

I need someone loyal, who I can trust and it’s not looking like that’s you bud.

[Nancy Drew 39]

2 timing me, already? Whaddaya take me for? Harumph

Okay, this looks bad but I swear I have no interest in Pink Ball! Unless Pink Ball is going to be the stereotypical "ugly" lady until taking the glasses off. If that's the case, then get your coat, you're getting the bus!

Lolwut?

And don’t you dare diss my wingwoman, you cad!

<3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 thanks boo, I can't believe this guy called me ugly in front of everyone

That guy is no gentleman! My momma warned me about his kind.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Good morning everyone

Spoiler:

You can do this Krazy... you can do this...

Good morning everyone

Spoiler:

You can do this Krazy... you can do this...

Are you encouraging yourself to talk with us the ladies? Awww you're so sweet

Spoiler:

[Nancy Drew 39]

First dance will end if there are 12 players or fewer left alive or deadline is reached.

So I'm just rereading the ruleset

uh, do we just do nothing first dance?

Sorry I was about to vomit out some setup stuff that hinged around how much I hate the coins and then I realized simply not lynching anyone was an option.

Or alternatively,

@FakeGod, is No Lynch an option for first dance?

This is the

pre-dance

. There’s no lynching until the first dance. My, I have so much to teach you. <3

[Nancy Drew 39]

I need someone loyal, who I can trust and it’s not looking like that’s you bud.

Well I tried!
Can I suggest Dannflor? He really does look good in a suit!

NEXT!

Keep up the charm and you’ll have all of the ladies beating down your door.

[Nancy Drew 39]

depends

do you think i am town?

Yes! No one as wonderful as you would ever be scum!
I think we would make a great pair, what's your choice of dance?

*pocketing attempt noted*

[Nancy Drew 39]

First dance will end if there are 12 players or fewer left alive or deadline is reached.

So I'm just rereading the ruleset

uh, do we just do nothing first dance?

Sorry I was about to vomit out some setup stuff that hinged around how much I hate the coins and then I realized simply not lynching anyone was an option.

Or alternatively,

@FakeGod, is No Lynch an option for first dance?

To my understanding:

We

Pre-Dance

until one of two scenarios:

1)

We end deadline.

2)

Everyone has a pair; much to one person's expense based on numbers.

Then we go to

First Dance

, and then it's like Hunger Games Lovers-Version until we're at 12 people, and it's a nightless so we don't transition until multiple pairs are gone.

Not everyone, one gent leaves unpaired.

[Nancy Drew 39]

To add to what Taly said, pairs should probably be decided near end of the pre-dance so we have the most info when making them. ...or we just pick a date we think is cute.

Yes, Vedith seems too eager and isn’t trying to sort the ladies.

[Nancy Drew 39]

So basically there are two ways to play this setup.

I think *both are viable*... and we maybe should think about it a little bit

Strategy 1: We commit to a tentative grouping of 6 locktown players to endgame

Problem with Strategy 1: Scum will, on average, I believe have 6-7 coins toward the end of dance one. But they can have more.

So the really annoying scenario that might have made me really angry in the past is {what if this game gets really stupid}

The game gets really stupid if we spend all of pre-dance hammering down our top 6 townreads, and then it's clear what the lynch order is

So we have at the end of dance 1 7 pairs:
Town pair 1
Town pair 2
Town pair 3
{knows they will get lynched pair A}
{knows they will get lynched pair B}
{knows they will get lynched pair C}
{knows they will get lynched pair D}

Which means that *if* (and again, this is actually a statistically uncommon scenario) there are two scum men in "ABCD" and their combined coin count is over 8 (which is barely a statistical blip -- if there are two scum men it is not at all unlikely their combined count is over 8) which would mean if they wanted to they could actually lynch Town Pair 1, kill Town pair 2 at night, and then throw the IC on one of the two scum men that scumclaimed, thus rendering the IC useless and creating massive wifom about the remaining pairings. That might even be game winning at that point if no scum had been lynched at that point.

I am NOT saying this is a likely scenario. But I did, at some point in the past, start getting *very focused* on this particular scenario and I think we might want to think very briefly about how we want to actually play out this game

Yes, good thinking. We don’t just want to hand the NK over to scum.

I like my men

townie

smart.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Yes, Vedith seems too eager and isn’t trying to sort the ladies.

My

main

concern is making it to the dance.

Your MAIN concern, ought to be scumhunting.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I mean ladies know how many coins they have yea? Can we just pair town read gents with high coin ladies, or am I missing something?

I would advice the most loaded of the ladies, to be the most selective, where their riches wind up.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Your MAIN concern, ought to be scumhunting.

Not yet, no. I get to the dance, then I scum hunt!
I don't know what you want here, I'm being honest!

One gent isn’t getting to the dance and we need to make sure, he’s the scummiest one.

[Nancy Drew 39]

nancy

, do you any thoughts on anyone or anything aside from

vedith

?

this is girl talk

So far both Dann and Krazy seem fine but it’s still too early to tell.

[Nancy Drew 39]

One gent isn’t getting to the dance and we need to make sure, he’s the scummiest one.

I'll leave that for the rest of you to decide while I pick my tuxedo out.

You’re not going to offer up any scumreads? Seriously?

[Nancy Drew 39]

So basically, top 4 coin ladies still get to pick their partners. *town does not pick for them*, but *town can by consensus reject a pairing*?

That is, top 4 ladies just have 1 extra step.

1. Dude offers
2. If Lady likes the dude, Lady asks, "who all scumreads this guy?"
3. If it's less than half the town, she accepts. She only rejects if more than half the town rejects the pairing

whereas the other 4 ladies are just like
1. Dude offers
2. Lady decides

something like that?

But if we decide on no lynch, does it matter? *confused*

I mean the coin factor.

I think maybe we decide on who the scummiest gent is, so he doesn’t even make it to the first dance.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I'm still in the mindset that if we're going with scenario 2 it's actually better strategically to not give reads in pre-dance, although I'm slightly gravitating toward scenario 3 the more I think about it, partly since it would make pre-dance more informative. But also possibly more frustrating. I think there's actually an appeal in this setup to just having a fun pre-dance where people really just pair off personality, especially if we're planning on a long second dance

So if I'm focusing a lot on setup spec rather than reads right now, it's because *one scenario in setup spec means we don't even talk about reads* which I know sounds really counter-intuitive and maybe dumb.

Why should we not form reads in pre-dance? I want everyone’s opinions on my choice of possible suitors, to minimise the chance I accept scum.

[Nancy Drew 39]

But if we decide on no lynch, does it matter? *confused*

I mean the coin factor.

I think maybe we decide on who the scummiest gent is, so he doesn’t even make it to the first dance.

It *could* matter.

If there are two scum gentlemen and they have 15 coins they could just lynch three pairings of their choice if town could not hammer no lynch fast enough.

As I said, Dance 1 *can* be exceptionally stupid, even if I don't know scum would play like that. I'm just saying, *there is a scenario* where dance 1 is incredibly dumb and I almost want to get to dance 2 before I even 'really try' frankly because otherwise there's a chance we spend days arguing over pairings and then scum just sweep because they somehow ended up with lots of coins.

It's important to me that if I am going to put a lot of thought into people's alignments that I feel pretty strongly scum can't just nuke my entire townblock because they have the voting power of 10-17 people

Scum only gets one NK though, they can’t nuke an entire townblock. They will still likely be NKing one of the likeliest town pairs, whether we make reads or not.

[Nancy Drew 39]

So if I'm focusing a lot on setup spec rather than reads right now, it's because *one scenario in setup spec means we don't even talk about reads* which I know sounds really counter-intuitive and maybe dumb.

I'm not following that scum have as much power as you say they do in the first dance, even considering worst possible scenario coin totals.

Won't the orchestration of a lynch on a pair that's been universally agreed to be town essentially reveal the entire scum team?

A) Why are you necessarily assuming all 3 scum would necessarily be on the same wagon?

B) When does scum ever open wolf like this? [/b]

[Nancy Drew 39]

Basically I am trying to avoid:
Scumreadgent1 and scumreadgent2: "Hey who all is on right now? Also, @mod could we get a vote count"
Mod: "Vote count"
*no other responses*
Scumreadgent 1 and scumread gent 2: *lynches 3 town pairs*

If that's actually how the game can work a no-lynch is definitely the way to go. I also like the idea of being careful with high coin ladies, because even without a town bloc they could still do this.

pedit: wait, can't they only lynch 2 pairs? Because the day ends once the player count reaches 12

There can only be one lynch but anyone can choose to voluntarily leave the dance.

[Nancy Drew 39]

A) Why are you necessarily assuming all 3 scum would necessarily be on the same wagon?

B) When does scum ever open wolf like this?

I- what? Because in this scenario Krazy is proposing they literally have to open wolf to make sure it works in their favor

If all 3 of them do this, they would lose, since in order to win, there needs to be at least one scum alive at endgame.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Also, at any point during the dance, a player may voluntarily leave (he/she dies and his/her alignment flips), which forces his/her partner to leave as well.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Lady Nancy, I'm afraid I don't understand where you reside. 39 is a very strange last name for a family, especially one as distinguished as yours well enough to be invited to this year's ball. If you are not too busy with the company of your choosing, I would like to spend some time discussing the differences and similarities of our cultures and societies. I've always been wanting to travel throughout the world and I would be honored to know more about yours. ~Annabelle aka Ankamius

Oh, well it’s not ladylike to discuss these things but 39=# of mansions my daddy owns in Tara. Glad I cleared that up, Yes by all means, let’s pencil each other in for a charming tête-à-tête at the 39th and most glorious home, under the gazebo for lightly toasted cucumber sandwiches and and Earl Grey tea.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Okay, so many great looking ladies.
However, lucky for you lot

I'm not a picky gentleman.

I will dance with anyone!

So the question is, who wants me?

Ew

Sorry, I’ll have to agree with Alisae here. You don’t want to dance with just “ANYONE”, since “anyone” might be scum.

Alisae? What? They hadn't posted yet.

Yeah, I should have said PB.

[Nancy Drew 39]

What if we paired again lol

At this rate I might have to settle for you!

Gamma no, you’re better than that. You’re going to allow this rogue to disrespect you like this?

[Nancy Drew 39]

First dance will end if there are 12 players or fewer left alive or deadline is reached. During the intermission, Mafia may secretly force one of the dance pairs to leave.

Mafia also picks another player, whose alignment will be made public at the beginning of the Second dance

. Second dance will then begin, and continue until the game's end.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Gamma no, you’re better than that. You’re going to allow this rogue to disrespect you like this?

Don't listen to her! You're not better than that!

How can she possibly resist?

[Nancy Drew 39]

Vedith is seeming kinda scummy here.

What gave it away?

[Nancy Drew 39]

Good morning how are YOU? I'm DR. WORM!!

@Vedith, this is how a real gentleman introduces himself.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Krazy is already a scumread.

How so, love?

Yes, why Ank?

[Nancy Drew 39]

Also KRAZY is SMART..we should make ladies with BIG COINS dance with the NICE GUY'S

this is starting to get obnoxious extremely quickly

Yeah, something about big coins being in all caps, kind of made me feel kind of dirty.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Ew

I promised myself I wouldn't cry...
Plus there's still 7 more to move onto!

Girls don't want a guy that doesn't compromise and go for whoever takes him, you don't make us feel special.

If you like it you then should put a ring on it

+1

I’m not sure he actually cares, which lady he puts a ring on.

Spoiler:

He's like Sain from Fire Emblem

I have absolutely no idea who that is.

[Nancy Drew 39]

@Vedith, this is how a real gentleman introduces himself.

Considering he is a doctor, he has a serious lead on me anyway!
Lets lay this all on the table now Nancy... You don't want others to dance with me because I spiked your interest!
So it's a case of if you can't dance with me, no one can.

Yep, you’ve got me nailed dead to rights here.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I AM SO SORRY AKIASAE!! I don't want to obnoxious you I am just trying to get BETTER at mafia but I CAN HANDLE CRITICISM. So let me know if you think I'm getting better!!

Stop typing in allcaps, it’s annoying.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Are you all forgetting that RC is in this game and that scum would take an opportunity to remove him ASAP if they could?

RC hasn’t even posted. Why are you defacto already assuming he’s town here?

[Nancy Drew 39]

I think we can avoid skipping the first dance as long as we’re careful with where our coins go in the pre-dance.

+1

Agreed, there’s a way to play this smart.

[Nancy Drew 39]

To add to what Taly said, pairs should probably be decided near end of the pre-dance so we have the most info when making them. ...or we just pick a date we think is cute.

I like this realism about the chances of an effective pairing strategy

Yes, the more info we have prior to pairing up, the better the reads.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I agree that high coin ladies should claim since I did it last game

But I vehemently deny that skipping first dance is a good idea in any stretch

I agree

Dann is a scumread too btw

I disagree

He's done nothing that's town and the way he's dancing around the setup discussion feels too "scum trying to post a lot to hide how little they're saying" for my taste

How is he dancing around the setup discussion?

[Nancy Drew 39]

Oh boy so the IC is deferred to later. That's interesting and negates the chance of it getting killed. I like.

First dance will end if there are 12 players or fewer left alive or deadline is reached. During the intermission, Mafia may secretly force one of the dance pairs to leave.

Mafia also picks another player, whose alignment will be made public at the beginning of the Second dance

. Second dance will then begin, and continue until the game's end.

Yeah, that totally switches things up.

[Nancy Drew 39]

oh no anka might be scum here what do i do

Because she scumread you or other reasons?

[Nancy Drew 39]

Are you all forgetting that RC is in this game and that scum would take an opportunity to remove him ASAP if they could?

RC hasn’t even posted. Why are you defacto already assuming he’s town here?

nancy why aren't you angry at anklemouse for using all caps?? thats not fair

When did Ank type in allcaps? And

no one

should make a habit of this.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Yes, Vedith seems too eager and isn’t trying to sort the ladies.

My main concern is making it to the dance.

I do recall Vedith being similar in the last one we were in together and he was town

God help us in that case.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I'm really confused how suddenly coins matter this game when most people didn't care at all last game despite me ramming it down peoples throats all game

Of course they matter, which is why the richest ladies need to be the most selective. They don’t want to cast their

pearls

coins before

swine

scum.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I mean ladies know how many coins they have yea? Can we just pair town read gents with high coin ladies, or am I missing something?

This is another strategy but it presents all the same risks of strategy 1, which is if we are wrong on some reads Dance 1 risks getting really, really stupid

I guess partly I just want to make it so there is less scum motivation in scum claiming and speed lynching town

But you may be partly right. I might need to think about this. But I think this is why we basically just have to no lynch. Otherwise if we mislynch once, and scum have 8+ combined coins, the game gets really stupid really fast.

I don't know if you noticed this yet but I really don't like the coins since they risk making pre-dance pointless and/or risks turning apparently optimal d1 play for town into a disaster.

But you maybe right--maybe we want the ladies with coins 5-8 to all hardclaim, and actually just pair in order of townreads there?

Otherwise if we have 2 scum gentlemen that, combined, have 8+ coins, dance 1 is just awful for town

Um voting is majority based on the sum total of coins right? Am I wrong?

Yes, that is correct, # of coins=# of votes for the men.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I'm just as confused as to why I'm being criticized for assuming RC is town when it should be blatantly obvious he will be the kill if he is town to people who have played with his town game, and that it's kind of really weird to suggest outright skipping the first dance and allowing scum to have their way with whoever they want first thing in the game.

Yeah, no thanks. I'm not following this plan and I'm going to heavily go against it if it gets traction like it has been

If you’re referring to me, I wasn’t criticized. I just said, we shouldn’t assume anyone’s alignment before they’ve even posted.

Well, I was scum along with Fire and LLD in Witches’ Ball and we only killed RC because he was IC because he was hard townreading my slot, because he wrongly read Short. Me and Fire never would have killed him otherwise.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I'm really confused how suddenly coins matter this game when most people didn't care at all last game despite me ramming it down peoples throats all game

because last game we messed it up with fb/tw and pb/clem pairing before we had a chance to properly setup spec.
Also i cared <3

Yes, that’s why it’s so crucial we don’t rush the pairings.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Are you all forgetting that RC is in this game and that scum would take an opportunity to remove him ASAP if they could?

RC hasn’t even posted. Why are you defacto already assuming he’s town here?

nancy why aren't you angry at anklemouse for using all caps?? thats not fair

When did Ank type in allcaps? And

no one

should make a habit of this.

I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT UR TALKING ABOUT

Okay

[Nancy Drew 39]

allomancer is scum this game btw

Why?

[Nancy Drew 39]

Vedith is seeming kinda scummy here.

This is scummy

Why is that scummy?

[Nancy Drew 39]

Gamma no, you’re better than that. You’re going to allow this rogue to disrespect you like this?

Don't listen to her! You're not better than that!

waow
Someone is desperate. Don't think I like that in a man.

Also the negging. But he isn’t really interested in sorting the women, so that doesn’t really sit right with me.

[Nancy Drew 39]

oh no anka might be scum here what do i do

Because she scumread you or other reasons?

when did she scumread me?

Dann is a scumread too btw

Oh nm.

Anyway, what are your reasons for scumreading Ank?

[Nancy Drew 39]

Alright I see where this is going
Vedith: I want to make sure I make it to the dance so I am going to be desperate for a partner
Everyone: Thats scummy
Vedith:

and then people won't drop it for the rest of the game.

i think vedith is quite a dashing lad and any girl would be lucky to have him

To each his own.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Omg I leave a couple of hours and the ladies are already fighting over the cute guys. Come on girls, we're better than them

Girl Power!

Spoiler:

[Nancy Drew 39]

allomancer is scum this game btw

Why?

nancy don't make me suspect u this early

Why? Because I want to know why you think Allo is scum?

[Nancy Drew 39]

Vedith is seeming kinda scummy here.

This is scummy

Why is that scummy?

because that isn't how allomancer posts.

I don’t get it.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I didn’t find it scummy because you didn’t supply reasoning, Allomancer. That’s a bit of a leap. I’ll explain when I get home because my phone is about to die

I don’t really understand the townread on him. \_0_/

But Gamma claims to have meta on him, so maybe?

[Nancy Drew 39]

im feeling better about

vedith

at the moemnt

ank

, can you outline your thoughts specifically on

krazy's

plan being an idea that comes from scum?

allo

is my only scumread at the moment, im looking at

nancy

and

dann

for sorting

+1 to

fire/ali/ank

but still thinking here

Because he didn’t state a reason for his Vedith scumread?

[Nancy Drew 39]

I thought Gammas point about skipping first dance halving our time to scum hunt with flips was a good one too

Yeah, I agree with that.

[Nancy Drew 39]

allomancer is scum this game btw

Why?

nancy don't make me suspect u this early

Why? Because I want to know why you think Allo is scum?

Why do you feel really weird this game Nancy

I don’t think I do. Why do you think that?

[Nancy Drew 39]

welp Nancy is scum no 2.


we almost have solved the game

Nope, try again.

[Nancy Drew 39]

welp Nancy is scum no 2.


we almost have solved the game

so far I am liking your solve

Because I’m not automatically juming aboard an Allo scumwagon?

I’m not convinced of it, so sue me.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I’ll explain when I get home

Third time I've seen this, not a fan.

I just get severe FOMO

Vedith is seeming kinda scummy here.

I don't like this because it's a lazy read. I don't like the "seeming kinda" wording to begin with, but aside from that, I think scum reading Vedith is easy but doesn't really make sense if you think about it. I don't think scum shows as much desperation to get a dance as he does. Worst case scenario, scum can buddy and pair up if they have to. Probably not optimal, but their strategy is probably closer to pocketing one person and not really worrying about being the odd man out. The motivation behind that behavior (even joking behavior) comes from town imo

Also, I don't like Allomancer's immediate defensiveness of not justifying his reads and pointing to previous games as "look I'm matching my town meta!" Doesn't seem like a town response

I think Vedith, Gamma, Ankamius, and Alisae are town

Don't like Allomancer, Nancy or Tally tbh

Krazy is mixed but leaning town

Why not Taly? He seemed pretty damned townie to me?

Okay, so apparently I’m scum for not automatically being convinced Allo’s scum here, got it.,

[Nancy Drew 39]

allomancer is scum this game btw

Why?

nancy don't make me suspect u this early

Why? Because I want to know why you think Allo is scum?

Why do you feel really weird this game Nancy

I don’t think I do. Why do you think that?

Well, you do. You're missing a couple markers that you've given just about every town game I've seen from you

Like what? How am I even remotely different here than I was in the original aborted version?

[Nancy Drew 39]

Ok so Firebringer, Nancy, Krazy and Gamma are all town. Alisae and Taly are close to town. I have my doubts about Dannflor and Allomancer is nothing like the obvtown I got last game.

I need more gents' townreads.

I’m mindmelding with most of your reads here, especially Fire and Gamma. I feel pretty good about Alisae and Taly as well. I think I can sort Krazy, so I’m hoping he asks me.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Okay, so apparently I’m scum for not automatically being convinced Allo’s scum here, got it.,

No. That's not at all why I scum read you.

Okay, why then because I’m not seeing it.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I am being townread too easily here and its making me uncomfortable.

Probably means your scum. That's upsetting.

Why would that make him scum?

[Nancy Drew 39]

allomancer is scum this game btw

Why?

nancy don't make me suspect u this early

Why? Because I want to know why you think Allo is scum?

Why do you feel really weird this game Nancy

I don’t think I do. Why do you think that?

Well, you do. You're missing a couple markers that you've given just about every town game I've seen from you

Like what? How am I even remotely different here than I was in the original aborted version?

Thanks

That doesn’t answer my question.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I am in the 90% certainty on Nancy and Allo being scum here. Someone try to change my mind!

I’m not sure about Allo but but your reads are probably wrong like they were last game, when you scumread duck who seemed really townie to me, remember that?

[Nancy Drew 39]

I think Taly tries harder to obvtown as scum in this situation

I don't think it's likely he's scum here

Taly seems nothing here, like he was in Labrynth.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Nancy, what are your reads at this point?

Because you ask a lot of (imo seemingly empty) questions but don't seem to be following through/drawing any conclusions from them.

Could you answer this?

Mostly, I consider asking a lot of questions without there being an actual point to them a scum tell. Also, your weird defense of yourself saying you're only being scum read because you town read Allomancer? I don't think anyone said that and it's a weird conclusion to jump to. It doesn't correlate with people saying you seem off

That seemed to be the only reason anyone gave.

I already answered that.

Well, review my meta then, if you seriously think that’s a scumtell.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I think Taly tries harder to obvtown as scum in this situation

I don't think it's likely he's scum here

I don't think that's really true but tbh I don't think I have played with scum taly. I have only played with Taly I think when I was scum and he was town, and he was one of those people I was like "how can I form a real scumread on this player when they are acting in this way"

ISO him in Labrynth.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I am being townread too easily here and its making me uncomfortable.

Probably means your scum. That's upsetting.

Why would that make him scum?

Another good post for why Nancy is scum.
Missing the obvious context that Vedith is screwing around.

I’ve never played with him before.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I am being townread too easily here and its making me uncomfortable.

Probably means your scum. That's upsetting.

Why would that make him scum?

Another good post for why Nancy is scum.
Missing the obvious context that Vedith is screwing around.

Yea, there are a lot of these kinds of posts in Nancy's ISO. Too eager to question and look town without really thinking through it or purposefully propelling things forward.

I’m “eager to look town”? What are you smoking dude?

Wrt the latter, tell me once again how this is different from every other game I’ve ever played.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I am in the 90% certainty on Nancy and Allo being scum here. Someone try to change my mind!

I’m not sure about Allo but but your reads are probably wrong like they were last game, when you scumread duck who seemed really townie to me, remember that?

guess what, you can't bring up last round since its not a completed and fakegod told us not to talk about it.

He never said that. You read tw wrong and you’re doing the same thing to me in this game.

[Nancy Drew 39]

@Fakegod probably a dumb question but can we talk about the first run of this game?

@Fakegod probably a dumb question but can we talk about the first run of this game?

Sure.

Exactly, Fire isn’t reading the damn game.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Nancy, I've seen enough to pretty confidently solidify you as a strong scum read. I wasn't actually asking what you saw me ask.

Tell me what. You actually gave reasons in Heroes.

[Nancy Drew 39]

That's exactly what makes Nancy town, doggo.

No, Nancy town misses context when she doesn't read everything up until the point she asks a question. She will be reading posts and asks questions that are later answered, but she doesn't ask ridiculous questions as though she is just fake thinking through reads. she is doing that here.

her questions when she is town are actually have a thought process going on with them and she is trying to understand stuff, she misses things but not in this way and she has a thought process you can actually see when you read her posts.

THERE IS NONE OF THAT HERE!

Wrong.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Oh, and if she's talking more about meta than anything else, it's even more town Nancy

No.

Trust me, she's thinking from a scum mindset.

No, we’re not fucking trusting you on jack. You keep calling me scum here, without giving me even a single goddamned reason. That is not acceptable.

[Nancy Drew 39]

@Fakegod probably a dumb question but can we talk about the first run of this game?

@Fakegod probably a dumb question but can we talk about the first run of this game?

Sure.

ewww grosss.
that game hasn't even shown us the results. bringing it in here is like us bringing in an ongoing game imo.

No, because THIS is actually relevant.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I think Taly tries harder to obvtown as scum in this situation

I don't think it's likely he's scum here

Taly seems nothing here, like he was in Labrynth.

why are you asserting a meta scumread on me when you havent really repsonded to my latest explanation to you? about my

allo

scumread and your other reads

also, i dont get

pink balls

consistent mindmeld with you here

I’m not, the exact opposite in fact. I’m saying I think you’re town in this game. Are PB and Alisae the only ones correctly reading my posts here?

[Nancy Drew 39]

yeah your read doesnt seem justified at all

I think you’re probably freaking town here, because you sound NOTHING like you did in Labrynth -

where you were SCUM

. God!

[Nancy Drew 39]

I’ve never played with him before.

Hmmm, I have but it was a while back. So you probably don't remember.

When? I don’t recall playing with you.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I am being townread too easily here and its making me uncomfortable.

Probably means your scum. That's upsetting.

Why would that make him scum?

Another good post for why Nancy is scum.
Missing the obvious context that Vedith is screwing around.

I’ve never played with him before.

I don't think you have to play with him before to read the context given in the game, and see that vedith is playing in a lackadaisical fashion and isn't being serious.

I thought he was being serious.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Still eating lunch and finishing up some laundry. I have a few responses to Gamma and Ank's concerns which I can go into later, but one thought did strike me I thought I'd drop out--if we lynch scum in pre-dance (with the one gent forced out), then we can play out first dance regularly.

We can’t lynch in pre-dance.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Hmmm, I have but it was a while back. So you probably don't remember.

I retract this.
I was certain I've played with you before but apparently not.

I actually have a ptetty decent memory. Someone says something that pinged me on page 100, I will remember and find it.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I already answered that.

Uh, where?

If you feel like Nancy is being oblivious and she's posting 95% about reads, it's town Nancy. If she's fluffing more than usual, it's scum Nancy

But I feel like this is closer to fluffing, the oblivious part has me paranoid though

PB’s post. I commented on his reads.

Of course, because you don’t know anything about my meta.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I am in the 90% certainty on Nancy and Allo being scum here. Someone try to change my mind!

I’m not sure about Allo but but your reads are probably wrong like they were last game, when you scumread duck who seemed really townie to me, remember that?

guess what, you can't bring up last round since its not a completed and fakegod told us not to talk about it.

He never said that. You read tw wrong and you’re doing the same thing to me in this game.

I am sorry do you have the worsts flip from last game? No? Don't? Ohh I guess than you need to shut the hell up then.

No, of course not but Duck was blatantly obvtown in that.

Uh no, I’m not fucking shutting “the hell up”, when I’m getting mostly bs reads on me and Ank keeps calling me scum, without even giving me a single goddamned reason - which she 100% did in Heroes.

One thing I think is pretty obvious, Ank and Krazy are never w/w here.

[Nancy Drew 39]

@Fakegod probably a dumb question but can we talk about the first run of this game?

@Fakegod probably a dumb question but can we talk about the first run of this game?

Sure.

Exactly, Fire isn’t reading the damn game.

I have airpods in I can't hear you atm sry

He was obviously wrong about this.

[Nancy Drew 39]

wow Nancy actually got me triggered with that loaded statement about my the worst read.
I need something to calm me down.

someone tell me a funny joke

I know how to read tw and I think he was obvtown in that game.

[Nancy Drew 39]

im feeling better about

vedith

at the moemnt

ank

, can you outline your thoughts specifically on

krazy's

plan being an idea that comes from scum?

allo

is my only scumread at the moment, im looking at

nancy

and

dann

for sorting

+1 to

fire/ali/ank

but still thinking here

Because he didn’t state a reason for his Vedith scumread?

Because

Allo's

been both flippant and non-concrete in his posts so far.

The unexplained vote tier; with

FakeGod

as a read and

Dann

without really engaging with him at all

The non-committal

Vedith

is scummy thought that was practically a sheeped read since Page 1

I don't get his plan about

"lynching some and then seeing what happens"

for First Dance WITH Lady's claiming coin value... that just sounds like telling scum how to position themselves in the game

ISOing him, it doesn't read as town.

What are your thoughts on

Vedith

and anyone stating that he isn't scum?

Sorry, I missed this. I thought he was scummy at first but Gamma has meta on him, so now I don’t know.

[Nancy Drew 39]

welp Nancy is scum no 2.


we almost have solved the game

so far I am liking your solve

Because I’m not automatically juming aboard an Allo scumwagon?

I’m not convinced of it, so sue me.

has nothing to do with u scumreading allo or not tbh

Awesome, then tell me WHY.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Because he didn’t state a reason for his Vedith scumread?

Why is this such a sticking point? No one ever said not stating reasons was scummy, that's not what this is about

Just freaking tell me already then, please? I’m obviously missing something and no one serms to have the decency to bother sharing it with me.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Okay, so apparently I’m scum for not automatically being convinced Allo’s scum here, got it.

nope. keep trying.

No, you and everyone who keeps throwing all of this bs shade on me. YOU fucking tell ME, because I’m really losing patience with this riddle I’m being scumread for not solving and I’m not going to continue to keep banging my head against a brick wall, as why I’m being wrongly scumread here.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Oh, and if she's talking more about meta than anything else, it's even more town Nancy

No.

Trust me, she's thinking from a scum mindset.

No, we’re not fucking trusting you on jack. You keep calling me scum here, without giving me even a single goddamned reason. That is not acceptable.

You're reacting the exact same way you did in heroes after doing almost exactly the same strategy

Again, what freaking strategy? I am legit confused with everything you’ve been saying about me here. Can you please just explain it because it’s making absolutely no sense to me?

[Nancy Drew 39]

thing about my meta.

I've played a game with you and I've read a game with you in it. You have a very distinctive style

Allomancer, do you still scum read Vedith, and if so would you share reasoning?

WILL SOMEONE PLEASE FREAKING EXPLAIN THIS To Me ALREADY BECAUSE MY HEAD Is HURTING.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Firedog, I have stated why you should townread Nancy and you haven't aknowledged it when you explicitly asked to "change your mind" about your read on her, and I also told you a joke when you said you needed to calm down. Are you ignoring me?

All I know is I am being wrongly scumread and I still don’t even know why. That’s hands down, the most frustrating thing about it.

[Nancy Drew 39]

No I am just going for low hanging fruit like a moron pinkball.
I did respond to ur bad townread on Nancy though.

Are you ever going to explain why you’re scumreading me here. Pretend I’m 5, maybe that will get us somewhere.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I've told you a few times why Nancy

You haven’t told me shit. All you’ve said is I have scum markers and I’m employing a similar strategy as in Heroes but how can that be since A) I’m town here and B) I’m way too freaking lost to even have any goddamned strategy in the first place!

[Nancy Drew 39]

Just freaking tell me already then, please? I’m obviously missing something and no one serms to have the decency to bother sharing it with me.

I don't like this because it's a lazy read. I don't like the "seeming kinda" wording to begin with, but aside from that, I think scum reading Vedith is easy but doesn't really make sense if you think about it. I don't think scum shows as much desperation to get a dance as he does. Worst case scenario, scum can buddy and pair up if they have to. Probably not optimal, but their strategy is probably closer to pocketing one person and not really worrying about being the odd man out. The motivation behind that behavior (even joking behavior) comes from town imo

Also, I don't like Allomancer's immediate defensiveness of not justifying his reads and pointing to previous games as "look I'm matching my town meta!" Doesn't seem like a town response

What has that got to do with me? Why you’re scumreading me. Everybody keeps insisting that my not automatically jumping on an Allo scumwagon has nothing to do with why they’re scumreading me, so for like the gazillionth time, why then?

And why wouldn’t scum be desperate to be paired up? Not saying Vedith is scum but your reasoning makes no sense.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Okay, so apparently I’m scum for not automatically being convinced Allo’s scum here, got it.

nope. keep trying.

No, you and everyone who keeps throwing all of this bs shade on me. YOU fucking tell ME, because I’m really losing patience with this riddle I’m being scumread for not solving and I’m not going to continue to keep banging my head against a brick wall, as why I’m being wrongly scumread here.

I'll give you another reason I was scumreading you in heroes that you are also showing here: you are showing a lot of initiative in getting people to interact but you're not using it to scumhunt

The game just barely started. I usually townblock this early in the game. How do you not know that?

[Nancy Drew 39]

you should share

It won't look good for you though!
Are you sure?

you already said you wanna lynch me dude

pedit: what Allo said

I thought you were scumreading him?

[Nancy Drew 39]

thing about my meta.

I've played a game with you and I've read a game with you in it. You have a very distinctive style

Allomancer, do you still scum read Vedith, and if so would you share reasoning?

WILL SOMEONE PLEASE FREAKING EXPLAIN THIS To Me ALREADY BECAUSE MY HEAD Is HURTING.

ur scum

No and I still don’t understand but I’m resigning myself to never getting answers.

[Nancy Drew 39]

WILL SOMEONE PLEASE FREAKING EXPLAIN THIS To Me ALREADY BECAUSE MY HEAD Is HURTING.

Why do you even care?
I thought you wanted to scum hunt and sort who a naughty gentleman was?

Because I’m upset that I’m being wrongly scumread and it’s messing with my head. I really want/NEED to understand why and I don’t even care if that gets me mislynched. I have to know.

[Nancy Drew 39]

idk this hyper concern about people scumreading her could be town but the way she is doing it really seems scum.
like we point out a reason and she is like "YOUR NOT SCUMREADING ME FOR THAT!" or "WHY ARE PEOPLE SCUMREADING ME!"
Like she lives on another planet where we can't scumread her for some things and that no one is explaining their reads.

Is it AI? maybe not but it is definitely impossible to engage with.

You’re blatantly misrepping me here. When did I ever say anything of the kind? All I’m trying to do is to make sense of it and the more I do that, the worse it gets but I am really really confused, so I’m pretty much useless in this game, until that changes unfortunately. :/

[Nancy Drew 39]

No I am just going for low hanging fruit like a moron pinkball.
I did respond to ur bad townread on Nancy though.

Are you ever going to explain why you’re scumreading me here. Pretend I’m 5, maybe that will get us somewhere.

Nancy I am a master at prediction, so this is what is going to happen.

I am going to tell you that I did have reasons and I pointed them out.
You are going to say those aren't reasons and for me to explain them or will say that I didn't come up with reasons for scumreading you.
Then I will repeat that I did.
Then you will say the same thing as you did before.

Then we shall repeat this dance all into the night while everyone watches wondering how crazy I am for participating.
Would you like to start?

I don’t fucking understand! What part of that is going over your head?

[Nancy Drew 39]

idk this hyper concern about people scumreading her could be town but the way she is doing it really seems scum.
like we point out a reason and she is like "YOUR NOT SCUMREADING ME FOR THAT!" or "WHY ARE PEOPLE SCUMREADING ME!"
Like she lives on another planet where we can't scumread her for some things and that no one is explaining their reads.

Is it AI? maybe not but it is definitely impossible to engage with.

It's a scumtell. There's a way to get reads from this that I think she would have taken by now if she was town, or at least tried to sort us at all. Instead she's going about it like somebody who already knows we are all town and doesn't need to sort.

OK now I'm gone for real. Have fun guys

[Nancy Drew 39]

And why wouldn’t scum be desperate to be paired up? Not saying Vedith is scum but your reasoning makes no sense.

Because scum can just pair up with scum if they need too, town don't have that luxury

Sure they can but afaik that has never once happened. Why? Because when it comes down to the last two couples, scum is mechanically screwed if they do that. Prove me wrong.

[Nancy Drew 39]

that's not an explanation. "why do you townread nancy?" "because i read her as town"

Your question was "Why is Nancy top of my list"...
I wouldn't put Nancy on top of my list if I didn't town read her.

And on the downlow, I'm still trying to woo her into the dance as a backup!

I don’t know if I even want to get picked anymore. I feel like I’m being scumreading without any basis and every single attempt I’ve made to ge clarity on this, seems to get viewed as some kind of scumclaim. I’m seriously contemplating replacing out at this point and they can toture my replacement instead. :/

[Nancy Drew 39]

I don’t know if I even want to get picked anymore. I feel like I’m being scumreading without any basis and every single attempt I’ve made to ge clarity on this, seems to get viewed as some kind of scumclaim. I’m seriously contemplating replacing out at this point and they can toture my replacement instead. :/

I think you should stay and we should probably PT together like a pair of masons! \o/

It’s better for town, that I just bow out now anyway and if no one picks me, then I won’t need to be replaced. I honestly don’t know what else to do at this point. I just know, I’m not having fun anymore

[Nancy Drew 39]

@mod please replace me.

This is like MBoS all over agian and I’m not fucking putting myself through that. Sorry.

[Nancy Drew 39]

that's not an explanation. "why do you townread nancy?" "because i read her as town"

Your question was "Why is Nancy top of my list"...
I wouldn't put Nancy on top of my list if I didn't town read her.

And on the downlow, I'm still trying to woo her into the dance as a backup!

I don’t know if I even want to get picked anymore. I feel like I’m being scumreading without any basis and every single attempt I’ve made to ge clarity on this, seems to get viewed as some kind of scumclaim. I’m seriously contemplating replacing out at this point and they can toture my replacement instead. :/

Emotional manipulation 101. This is gross

Good.

[Nancy Drew 39]

The last game had like 6 replacements and because Nancy gets scumread she replaces out after spamming the fuck out of the game. No, she needs to stay because that's fucking common courtesy to stay given what has happened before, and she signed up for this game knowing what happened last.

This is right at all Nancy and you know it. You don't replace out given all this shit.
You aren't being fair to anyone here.

If you need a break take a break from the thread. None of this is acceptable behavior of replacing out when the game isn't even 48 hours old and no one is treating you unfairly

You don’t get to fucking lecture me. I’m not a goddamned masochist, sorry not sorry.

[Nancy Drew 39]

oof so it begins

good bye Nancy if you're going, but I would ask that you please try to divorce yourself from people scum reading you and play the game regardless if possible though

I'll be back later tonight, wanna give time for people who haven't posted yet and possible replacement to actually catch up and give thoughts

I can handle being wrongly scumread but here I’m being wrongly deathtunneled and I’m not fucking tolerating it. I recently went through this and I can’t put myself through that again.

[Nancy Drew 39]

what are the chances of that happening though? scum can always pair with each other if it seems one of them will be forced out

While the coins might actually make a slightly higher incentive for a scum/scum pairing if a scum lady rolled high on coins, I think in general scum try to avoid scum/scum pairings unless doing so would make them look likely to be a top pairing

Mechanicically scum would lose in that case. There are two pairs left and only one scum flip. Both townies in the other pair KNOW that the other remaining pair have to be scum. It’s not rocket science.

[Nancy Drew 39]

and all Nancy has to do here is acknowledge people are pushing her and try to understand their push and handle it in an adult fashion by talking it out but at every time she has proclaimed "OHH that's not reason to scumread", or "I don't understand" or "that isn't true". then says shes being unfairly treated while not explaining how she is being unfairly treated except that people push her for things she won't explain are bad and try to keep and open dialogue.

See you either agree with everything Nancy says is true, or you don't and if you don't you are being unfair and are death tunneling for no good reason.

Like a child who says that they were unpunished unfairly while you tell them what you did is wrong but won't acknowledge anything they did as wrong instead ignores it all and puts their hands over ears like you didn't say anything.

This is child behavior.


But if she can't act like a grown up and behave in a way in which we can disagree but still communicate with both of us being respectful of the other, then I don't want her in this game and I am happy she is replacing out. I don't want her to be in here if she continues to act like this. She can take her time out and go. I am not going to try to convince her that what she is doing is wrong because she isn't behaving like an adult right now so doesn't get adult treatment.

You can scumread me but you have no right to talk down to me like this. Talk about being a freaking hypocrite here.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Stop posting if you are replacing out or take out your replacement request. You are confusing players and the mod by still posting.

Stop telling me what to do. You don’t get to order me around!

[Nancy Drew 39]

Are you and others willing to take the trouble to try to sort me or not?

Because if you aren’t you need to just come right out and admit to it.

FIFY

[Nancy Drew 39]

Oh boy.

Firebringer is right even if he wasn't polite about it. You are acting very immature currently, and posting after requesting a replacement is not only incredibly rude, but also says that you're not actually ready to leave.

Plus, if you are not intending to leave, using the replacement request for in game purposes by continuing to post after requesting replacement is just disrespectful to everybody else in the game.

You cannot have it both ways.

someone remind me post game to make an MD post suggesting new site policy of
- continuing to post after you've asked for a replacement IS NOT OKAY. Think of this as a mansalughter charge for my next example
- Doing this and causing drama while doing it is SUPER NOT OKAY. Think of this as a murder charge.

Thanks. <3

[Nancy Drew 39]

@mod please replace me.

This is like MBoS all over agian and I’m not fucking putting myself through that. Sorry.

please don't

I’m not getting listened to and I’m being insulted and disrespected. I don’t know what else to do.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Oh boy.

Firebringer is right even if he wasn't polite about it. You are acting very immature currently, and posting after requesting a replacement is not only incredibly rude, but also says that you're not actually ready to leave.

Plus, if you are not intending to leave, using the replacement request for in game purposes by continuing to post after requesting replacement is just disrespectful to everybody else in the game.

You cannot have it both ways.

someone remind me post game to make an MD post suggesting new site policy of
- continuing to post after you've asked for a replacement IS NOT OKAY. Think of this as a mansalughter charge for my next example
- Doing this and causing drama while doing it is SUPER NOT OKAY. Think of this as a murder charge.

Thanks. <3

ARE YOU THANKFUL
THEN DO 1 OF 2 THINGS
1. DON'T POST. THIS MEANS YOU'RE WILLING TO BE REPLACED AND THAT YOUR DONE.
2. POST AND LET THE MOD KNOW UR STAYING.

I’m not going to discuss oog things here.

[Nancy Drew 39]

ARE YOU STAYING
OR ARE YOU LEAVE
ITS A VERY SIMPLE QUESTION

I am not discussing OOG things here.

It’s a very simple answer.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I’m not getting listened to and I’m being insulted and disrespected. I don’t know what else to do.

walk away from the thread, read a book, and see how reads have changed tomorrow?

We're 6 hours or something into a >26 day game. Speaking as someone who regretted replacing out last time, give yourself some time to think about it and decide tomorrow after you've cooled down.

<3 you and Taly <3

[Nancy Drew 39]

I've talked to Nancy Drew 39 and she is not replacing out.

Continue.

Just putting it out there, that while bs scumreads on me are okay, personal attacks on my character, will not be tolerated. I won’t hesitate to take action towards anyone who abuses this. Thanks.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Nancy
Ank (it’s not within her scumrange to be hurtful to me as scum)
Alisae
RC
Gamma
Taly
Vedith
Pink Ball
Krazy

———————————

Dann

——————————

Fire
Worm
Dann
Allo


I’m sure I’m missing some people.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Nancy
Ank (it’s not within her scumrange to be hurtful to me as scum)
Alisae
RC
Gamma
Taly
Vedith
Pink Ball
Krazy

———————————

Dann

——————————

Fire
Worm
Allo


I’m sure I’m missing some people.

I moved Dann into null after I made my list.

[Nancy Drew 39]

TIL Dann has a scummier evil twin

He could be scum but I liked his willingness to re-evaluate my slot where as Allo did the exact opposite, which read uberscummy to me.

I haven’t been reading the thread and I have a hangover rn.

Has everybody posted yet?


@Vedith, if you’re still available, I’ll consider accepting. <3

[Nancy Drew 39]

Vedith is paired with fire lol

That's why I don't care anymore

That sucks. Why did you do that, Vedith? I should have accepted him sooner but Fire kept messing with my head.

So, who is obvtown of the unpaired gents? RC and maybe Krazy?

I don’t either should pick you or Alisae or we’re screwed.

We need to keep at least one obvtown gent in the game and RC especially needs to choose a more null read, if he wants to avoid the NK.

[Nancy Drew 39]

TIL Dann has a scummier evil twin

It's true, he's a jackass

I moved Dann into null after I made my list.

To clarify, am I a mixed read? I remember you had me as town earlier but now you're moving me from scum to null

He could be scum but I liked his willingness to re-evaluate my slot where as Allo did the exact opposite, which read uberscummy to me.

pedit: ok, I see that. did I go from town to scum for you around when I started scum reading you initially?

I thought your willingness to re-evaluate my slot seemed townie but you made some comments wrt to my meta, that still don’t sit right with me, because when have we ever played together where you knew my alignment? Unless you played with an alt?

[Nancy Drew 39]

NACNY i already SAID THIS..

KRAZY ALLOWMANSTER and FREEBRANGER are TOWN-TOWN IN MY MIND AND HEART

This game needs a vig, seriously.

[Nancy Drew 39]

NANYC you are the FIRST to say more than DR WORM NULL so I LIKE YOU

I’m town for wanting to vig you? Okay.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Nancy, I can't answer that question, unfortunately.

I have read a couple old games with you in it, but I'm not about to use meta to case you. My scum read was based more off your early game play. However, your AtE and general later behavior I think comes from more of a town place

I don't think scum reacts like that, town can especially if they think they should be obv town

I still don’t understand why I was being deathtunnelled especially by Fire but I don’t think he pushes this hard as town based on meta.

I was completely thrown and overwhelmed by it and after what happened in MBoS, I thought replacing out was better than risking a possible ban, since I was legit afraid I was going to lose it on Fire.

PB had the misfortune to know exactly what I was talking about.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I SAID I LIKEYOU NOT YOU ARE TOWN BIG DIFFRANCE!!

Flattery won’t work on me. I still want to vig you. <3

[Nancy Drew 39]

I already told you, you're lovely and that's all in the past <3

Thanks, that really means a lot.<3. I really do have legit reasons to fear a ban after that game though. Let’s put it this way. At least one person from that game, doesn’t exactly share your high regard for me. I’m not exactly sure whom but my guess is one of Podocc/Skitter rn.

Anyway, it’s really a shame that - just like last game - most of my stronger townreads are ladies. Gents, other than RC/Krazy, really need to step it up. Vedith unfortunately chose unwisely and we’re probably going to lose now. :/

[Nancy Drew 39]

@Vedith, if you’re still available, I’ll consider accepting. <3

Fire accepted already sadly!
Could have been so special!

Spoiler:

We’ll always have Paris.

[Nancy Drew 39]

NANCY did you READ 688 when you WROTE 969??

No offense but I can’t take you seriously if you’re going to just keep trolling.

[Nancy Drew 39]

So, who is obvtown of the unpaired gents? RC and maybe Krazy?

I think you and Krazy to be paired together.

Well he hasn’t asked me yet but I’ll definitely consider it.

[Nancy Drew 39]

No offense but I can’t take you seriously if you’re going to just keep trolling.

If you expect Dr Worm to put the effort in, then you should address the posts at question.
Otherwise what motivation will they have to do it?

KRAZY ALLOWMANSTER and FREEBRANGER are TOWN-TOWN IN MY MIND AND HEART

Nancy
Ank (it’s not within her scumrange to be hurtful to me as scum)
Alisae
RC
Gamma
Taly
Vedith
Pink Ball
Krazy

———————————

Dann

——————————

Fire
Worm
Allo


I’m sure I’m missing some people.

I moved Dann into null after I made my list.

You mean this? I obviously only agree with his Krazy read.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Lets face it, If I'm not lynching/walking out Fire, then I'm most likely lynching you by this point.

I'm not sure this is certainly scummy but I feel like this is pretty bad for town cohesion and morale if you're going to threaten to use your 8 coins as like a baseball bat

I don't get why Ank is so opposed to forcing a no lynch if this is what we're going to be dealing with tbh

What I don’t understand is why he pairs up with someone he scumreads but Fire is a gazillion times more likely to be scum here than Ank. I’ve already explained why. Ank is in a bad tunnel, similar to what she was in Labrynth, when she wrongly deathtunneled town!Shoshin all game.

[Nancy Drew 39]

hello nancy WILL YOU DANCE WITH ME

Uh, after that MU lovers’ game, I still have bad memories.

Why am I your first choice here?

[Nancy Drew 39]

hello nancy WILL YOU DANCE WITH ME

Uh, after that MU lovers’ game, I still have bad memories.

Why am I your first choice here?

You and RC is the only people i know nad i think RC is a guy so

:shrug:

Any reads?

[Nancy Drew 39]

I cannot work with a man who works against the Bro Code, I am sorry

Listen my friend! Look, okay, it's a hard situation!
I mean, look at Fire!

Stop talking to me

You know what they say

"Bros before ****"

But you already chose a woman before you even got the opportunity to talk to me

You think so lowly of me. How can I take you as a friend?

Be prepared. On the first sight of anything remotely scummy, I will go after your NECK

Present your towniness loud and clear for me before I inevitably end up death tunneling you like 90% of my mafia games !

Vedith is town here. How caught up are you?

[Nancy Drew 39]

Stop talking to me

You know what they say

"Bros before ****"

But you already chose a woman before you even got the opportunity to talk to me

You think so lowly of me. How can I take you as a friend?

Be prepared. On the first sight of anything remotely scummy, I will go after your NECK

Present your towniness loud and clear for me before I inevitably end up death tunneling you like 90% of my mafia games !

Is that Rowen Atkinson?

What’s the name of that show again? It’s one of my faves.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Sorry Thomas but I have yo agree with Vedith,

Fire is pretty hot

.

Eyyyyyyyy lmao

[Nancy Drew 39]

Btw @Dannflor I already think you're my perfect match but with the condition of letting me call you DanceFloor for the rest of the game

You’re just too punny for your own good.

[Nancy Drew 39]

A www

Krazy asked me to the dance

<3

I'll reply when I get ono tonight

I hope people don't forget about me >: I'm a busy college student but I really want to plaaaaaay

My heart is broken. Et tu Krazy?

[Nancy Drew 39]

Ugh please pray for me on this exam

CHEMISTRY Level 2 makes Level 1 look like a fucking high school remedial class

Good luck.

[Nancy Drew 39]

No offense but I can’t take you seriously if you’re going to just keep trolling.

If you expect Dr Worm to put the effort in, then you should address the posts at question.
Otherwise what motivation will they have to do it?

KRAZY ALLOWMANSTER and FREEBRANGER are TOWN-TOWN IN MY MIND AND HEART

Nancy
Ank (it’s not within her scumrange to be hurtful to me as scum)
Alisae
RC
Gamma
Taly
Vedith
Pink Ball
Krazy

———————————

Dann

——————————

Fire
Worm
Allo


I’m sure I’m missing some people.

I moved Dann into null after I made my list.

You mean this? I obviously only agree with his Krazy read.

YOU STILL MISS IMPICATIONS OF THESE TWO POSTS NANNCY!!

688 WORM SAYS ALLOMANGER & FREEBRANGEY ARE TOWN and then YOU WRITE post saying I AM SCUM WITH BOTH OF THEM

you think SCUMMY WORM WRITES 688 about SCUMMY FRIENDS??!!??

You’re saying scum never townreads their scumbuddies? Obviously, only two of you can be scum here, max.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Why am I obvtown ND

Nothing you’ve done so far has pinged me. And I don’t know why you’d hard defend me like you did, as scum here.

[Nancy Drew 39]

DOUBLETOMAS PLZ don't say DR WORM is FUNNY becuase PINKBELLY won"t DANCE WITH ME unless I"M SUPERSERIOUS about the game!!

If I was forced to share a PT with you:

Spoiler:

[Nancy Drew 39]

You’re saying scum never townreads their scumbuddies? Obviously, only two of you can be scum here, max.

WHY 2MAX?? it"s NOT OBVIOUSLY TO DR WORM why NANY??

Speak English. You’re basically making the game unplayable.

[Nancy Drew 39]

@Dr Worm, give me a good reason, I don’t just put you on ignore? You behaviour: posting in allcaps and misspelling everything - is antitown, whatever you are, so please just stop.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I've given reads on like 6 people before Nancy's meltdown

164 - Scumread on Krazy
180 - Scumread on Dann
274 - Townread on Fire
295 - Townlean? on Gamma
330 - Townread on Taly/Ali
330 - Scumlean? on RC

Did I miss any?
So is this still how you stand with people?
Of course, I've excluded myself and Nancy as I don't care about that right now.

Why scumreads on Krazy/RC?

And townread on Allo?

[Nancy Drew 39]

If I was forced to share a PT with you:

Does anyone want to willingly share a PT with Dr Worm

like actually

Yeah, it’s unfortunate that he persists in trolling this game.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I went into both the scumreads in my ISO

I never stated any read on allo

Why do you scumlean RC and has your Krazy read changed?

[Nancy Drew 39]

I truly don't see how I'm being an ass I asked the latter question for a very important reason and my statement about ND is true: that I've seen her called out for ateing instead of making reads and being lynched for it several times as town

This is true but only someone familiar with my games on MU would know this. I’ve only been mislynched once on MS.

And afaik, only RC, DT, I think Gamma and myself, would be aware of this.

[Nancy Drew 39]

hey vedith, I am going to leave ur ass at the start of tomorrow if u don't get ur act together.

Son why the fuck did you accept his offer, then?

[Nancy Drew 39]

Spoiler:

I WILL TRY TO DO THIS WITHOUT CAPS BECAUSE I WANT YOU TO KNOW I"M SIRIOUS!!

You’re saying scum never townreads their scumbuddies?

Obviously, only two of you can be scum here, max.

WHY 2MAX?? it"s NOT OBVIOUSLY TO DR WORM why NANY??

if NAN had read DR WORM"S ISO for truth before saying WORM is scum NAN would realise how WORM town read both other players in NAN"S SCUMLIST!!
why didn't NAN say only two of "Fire Worm Allo" could be scum when NAN first posted scum-list in post 969??
why now "OBVIOUS" that only two of Fire, Worm, Allo "can be scum"??

I can’t fucking read this gibberish. Post in English, stop the missspelling and allcaps nonsense already.

[Nancy Drew 39]

drworm is a copy of Kain Tepes I can't believe no one remembers tepes this is like exactly the same trolling. Just ignore every post he makes.

+1

The apocalypse happened. i’m actually agreeing with hellpuppy on something.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Taly I'm seeing one of the primary town markers I see now so I'm at the point where I'm just going to put her in her own category and never revisit it again because it's really a lot more trouble than it's worth this game

I didn’t know having a hangover makes me more townie. I still don’t understand your reasons for either scumreading nor townreading me and I’m probably too nauseous to be able to understand it, if I couldn’t yesterday.

[Nancy Drew 39]

hey vedith, I am going to leave ur ass at the start of tomorrow if u don't get ur act together.

pls do. vedith and worm are both either scum or policy lynches that really need to happen for us to have any hope of understanding what's going on

See this is lazy. If you want to push for policy lynches fine but you can’t honestly tell me you’re getting anything alignment indicative out of worm’s posting

Then again, I can’t put myself through continuing to read his posts either

To add to this, I will readily leave Dr Worm behind in the pre-dance because I don’t think his slot will ever be sortable or helpful even if he’s town. However, scum reading him just so you can add him to your lists of scum reads pings me, particularly when I already think you have lazy reads (see Vedith)

Feeling better about Dann and worse about Allo.

He isn’t really making an effort to really sort anyone. All of his reads just read surfacey to me. Worm is just a troll and antitown af but that doesn’t necessarily make him scum but he might as well be, since almost all of his posts are unreadable.

I need more content from DT. But I don’t think any ladies should accept an offer from Allo. Only blind ladies, should accept an offer from Worm.

[Nancy Drew 39]

nancy

im up for girl talk



even tho there is a good chance im going to sign off in 5 minutes

Why couldn’t you and PB be gents?

Sure, Vedith broke my heart and Krazy is about to do the same. So far, the only (unpaired) gents I feel good about are Krazy, RC and starting to warm up a bit to Dann.

You?

[Nancy Drew 39]

Only blind ladies, should accept an offer from Worm.

Maybe aside from blind and deaf ladies

We don’t have to LISTEN to his posts.

[Nancy Drew 39]

@Nancy

RC

and

Dann

are the only 2 people I'd entertain accepting right now

but I think my most optimal choice is

Krazy

, and... I'm literally about to accept it, but I'm gun-shy.

I'll probably get over it, but my gut is telling me to self-preserve at the moment, yet there's no logical reason to do so it seems.

Because there's really no point in pushing her regardless of her alignment, that's going to do more to derail the game than anything else

who else has your attention the most right now?

Yeah and with 7 unpaired ladies, 5-7 of them town, I don’t honestly know how we win this.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Ank do u still think Nancy is scum. because I do.

ank u disappoint me. are u that apathetic rn?

Do you have anything else to contribute - I mean, besides - your myopic deathtunnel on me?

[Nancy Drew 39]

lets start with

Krazy

them, because I have several reasons to think he's town and I'm legit ready to pair with him.

Do it! You're both town

We shouldn’t rush these pairings like RC said. An obvtown couple has the best chance of being the NK. I think we need to come up with a plan first, not just yolopairing. Make sense?

[Nancy Drew 39]

Nancy I am not responding to you until you apologize for your earlier behavior.

If anyone needs to apologize here, it’s not me.

[Nancy Drew 39]

lets start with

Krazy

them, because I have several reasons to think he's town and I'm legit ready to pair with him.

like i've been urging, please wait to actually pair. We have plenty of time and we should intend to make use of it.

Okay, I don’t know but Fire and Worm are going to cost us the game, whatever they are.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Nancy I am not responding to you until you apologize for your earlier behavior.

pls don't waste our time like this. you're not helping town by doing shit like this.

helping town is overrated.
also im still unsure if ur town.
im still scum leaning u

Possible scum theater?

[Nancy Drew 39]

im just going to quote this so it'd be easier to reply to when i give a direct answer.

i think planning some pairs between town might be helpful nancy? but im liking some of the pair ideas proposed in the last half page outside of me thinking of going with Krazy

im signing off but id like you to just give some reads/thoughts beyond setup discussion Krazy, or just revise any read/points that ive missed <3

∾ ❁ ∾ ❁ ∾ ❁ ∾ Lady Taly, you are hereby cordially invited to dance with me at the three hundred and fifty-nineth annual sultan's dance ∾ ❁ ∾ ❁ ∾ ❁ ∾

I already did. Do you have any questions about them or disagreements?

[Nancy Drew 39]

Nancy I am not responding to you until you apologize for your earlier behavior.

pls don't waste our time like this. you're not helping town by doing shit like this.

helping town is overrated.

it's shit like this that's gonna cost us the game.

Jokes are going to cost us the game apparently.

You stealing Vedith from one of our obvtown ladies, has probably already sunk us.

[Nancy Drew 39]

∾ ❁ ∾ ❁ ∾ ❁ ∾ Lady Taly, you are hereby cordially invited to dance with me at the three hundred and fifty-nineth annual sultan's dance ∾ ❁ ∾ ❁ ∾ ❁ ∾

Spoiler:

[Nancy Drew 39]

I am honestly considering just throwing the chair at the person who says it next and then I will show Nancy what a real death tunnel is by death tunneling that person who calls this a TvT and rage them until my death.

Is this all going to be an overreaction? Yes. But will I enjoy letting my anger out? OHHH BOI IT WILL BE A TREAT

[Nancy Drew 39]

who believes NANCY CAN"T understand DR WORM"S questions??

Who believes you only make intelligible posts when it suits you?

[Nancy Drew 39]

RC null but if it's anyone but RC, prob town lean

But you know he’s telling the truth about my being mislynched and wrongly scumread on MU. What is the scum motivation in that?

[Nancy Drew 39]

nancy, stop being mad. it's making it harder to read you

I have a hangover, thank Fire for that.

[Nancy Drew 39]

i am liking allomancer's tone

See I feel like his recent posts have been more trying to call out other people's posting habits and looking helpful instead of actually scum hunting

by tone i mean like his pissy tone while trying to still interact in a townie way

just hard to explain gut stuff

Maybe but I just lost a game with scum pulling that shit, so I’m leery of townreading anyone for that.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Would you confscum him if he didn't

Who is this post directed to and about whom is being referenced here?

[Nancy Drew 39]

RC null but if it's anyone but RC, prob town lean

But you know he’s telling the truth about my being mislynched and wrongly scumread on MU. What is the scum motivation in that?

are you really asking me why scums would tell the truth right now

I just don’t see the scum motivation in RC doing that. Why does scum!RC do that in your opinion?

[Nancy Drew 39]

NANYC is SUPERFCIAL and only sees the outside

I need a LADIES who SEES THE HEART!!

Good. I guess pre-emptively refusing your dance offer won’t be necessary then.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Would you confscum RC if he didn't defend you

Why would I confiscum him for any reason? At worst, I would nullread him but his not wanting to rush the pairing up, also reads townie to me. He is just probably just wrong on you.

[Nancy Drew 39]

if DR WORM is SCUM why are you IGNORING my posts??

You’re an annoying troll for a thousand, Alex.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I don't think defending Nancy is necessarily alignment indicative. Scum might do that too if they think she'll be a mislynch later.

I townread Pink Ball and Taly for it because the way they went about it was very much about diffusing the situation, RC's approach didn't really do that as much so meh I don't really think he's scum but I don't think that's a great argument for town RC imo

Well I haven’t played with scum!RC but him not wanting to rush the pairings also seems pro-town. doesn’t it?

But I dunno. I suppose I should wait for more content from him but nothing I’ve read from him so far has pinged me either. I’m definitely not townlocking him for this. If he does something I consider scummy, of course I’ll revisit my reads.

He was town in TOL and he hard defended me similarly, so I really can’t take that out of the equation.

But. I’m liking your posting more and more because I 100% agree with you about PB and Taly.

[Nancy Drew 39]

This is giving me a headache

I'll be back later

You mean the worm, I presume.

[Nancy Drew 39]

RC null but if it's anyone but RC, prob town lean

But you know he’s telling the truth about my being mislynched and wrongly scumread on MU. What is the scum motivation in that?

are you really asking me why scums would tell the truth right now

I just don’t see the scum motivation in RC doing that. Why does scum!RC do that in your opinion?

scum would love to tell the "truth" to look like they are helping town

scum will be "Helpful" to town so that they can get town cred

i do think you constructing a read on RC around your perspective is something what towns tend to do so this is a good look for u

Well, I obviously could be wrong but I just don’t see scum!RC going to bat for me like this. If you ISO him in DnD mafia, he hard defended town!Lovebird similarly.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Anyway, I’m liking your thought process here DT, eventhough I’m not agreeing with it.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Well I haven’t played with scum!RC but him not wanting to rush the pairings also seems pro-town. doesn’t it?

But I dunno. I suppose I should wait for more content from him but nothing I’ve read from him so far has pinged me either. I’m definitely not townlocking him for this. If he does something I consider scummy, of course I’ll revisit my reads.

Yea, no I actually agree with you and have RC as leaning town, though he hasn't posted enough for me to be super confident

I'm just pointing out why him defending you doesn't ping me as hard as town as other players.

In regards to not wanting to rush the pairings... yes it's pro-town, but it's also an easy thing to say and be like "omg Vedith why did u pair up so quick and make things harder for town btw I'm totally TOWN" (I'm not saying RC did that but I definitely am suspicious of Allomancer for that exact sort of posting)

Yeah, I think we’re kind of mindmelding here. RC seems more genuine, somehow?