Mini Normal 2058 (Endgame)

[Ankamius]

Okay so, I'm assuming that I'm formally replacing into the JohnnyEnglish slot since I have the role PM despite it not being formally announced in thread yet.

In which case, what is the easiest way to get a foothold into the game? What parts are the easiest to get reads from or what parts of the game need another opinion?

[Ankamius]

Ok

So I'm just going to assume that entire feud is a fuckton of dickwagging and nothing else.

What are the other fragments of the game and where is the best place among those to start from?

[Ankamius]

Mmmmmmm

I'll look through that's slots' ISO then and see if I can't find any hints

[Ankamius]

idk, for the amount of people that had access to it, it's remarkably useless

like 90% of the posts are either fluff or trying to sort the neighborhood to find the scum within it

there isn't even 4 full pages in there

[Ankamius]

oh hey what's up

[Ankamius]

tarkus idk

I honestly haven't read anything other than the posts since I replaced in and skimming the neighborhood

I'm not sure about the RC-slot since I historically have trouble reading him :V

[Ankamius]

I'll start actually doing stuff tomorrow, eddie

ngl I'm really not looking forward to seeing the clusterfuck of you four arguing with each other for dozens upon dozens of pages

[Ankamius]

I'm not convinced there's scum in the neighborhood outside of the traitor at all

Is there any particular reason that was assumed?

[Ankamius]

Okay

So it was mostly the neighborhood assuming that?

[Ankamius]

Actually, I could see a traitor + all town neighborhood being the gimmick of this setup, but it's hard to tell without having an idea of what else is out there and I'm not particularly interested in persuing that.

[Ankamius]

Either way I'm not going to wagon Tarkus without reasons beyond it, I'd rather sort him in the neighborhood if at all.

[Ankamius]

Why do you need to choose the most null response to my reaction test Eddie

Sigh

[Ankamius]

I was testing you lol

You literally bypassed it entirely

[Ankamius]

Either way I'm not going to wagon Tarkus without reasons beyond it, I'd rather sort him in the neighborhood if at all.

[Ankamius]

Who knows!

[Ankamius]

I wanted to see how you pushed me

I worded that in a weird way on purpose

[Ankamius]

I'd like to see the case

[Ankamius]

If I am reading the dead list correctly, it's every single dead slot + Tarkus + me

[Ankamius]

Currently nothing, I'm doing a lot of other stuff and just checking in once in a while

[Ankamius]

Currently nothing, I'm doing a lot of other stuff and just checking in once in a while

Btw the biggest thing is making sure my wallet is just lost and not stolen

[Ankamius]

I'll look at the case in more detail a bit later on

I don't like 2679

[Ankamius]

Why?

Because that case was specifically requested, I don't think he posts it without that prodding.

The game is slow enough currently that I don't really believe the didn't see it card, especially since the request was made by a slot in your lynch pool.

[Ankamius]

Ok sure

[Ankamius]

- RC had a very small scum pool at EoD1, and generally kept his scumreads super limited. This is a common scum tactic, as people tend to reflexively scumread and town reading makes less enemies.

Is this an RC trait though? RC is known for being a very good scum player.

- This also fits with him pushing me back after I elected to push him; I was already an enemy, might as well call me one of his scum reads.

I'll need context for this, I think. I can't see this being AI without knowing the context itself.

- (not a major point) His later reads were angled too: his hardest scum read was Vorkuta at his last post, a low activity player who was also on my side of the 1v1 (as opposed to Tarkus and DDL who he had already worked on pocketing)

I'll need context for this too.

-

RC claimed essential certainty on NSG being scum, citing a 100% accurate history of reading them. Then, RC changed and said they were almost certainly town in twilight after unvoting.

RC unvoted and then pushed two slots he knew had no chance of getting lynched in the about 1 day before DL we had left, because he wanted to be off the wagon after he successfully got NSG mislynched. The less likely alternative is that RC figured out CoA was the traitor and backed off, which explains his panic, but I don't think this is as probable. He would know she can be low activity as town (as I pointed out) and was unlikely to contest his push. Scot free mislynch.

This is interesting. What did he state as the reason for hopping off the wagon?

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RC claimed complete confidence that BnH / Morality was the scum team, 100% confidence, said it would be gamethrowing to not chain lynch us after his death. Then, he completely changed his pace d2, said only 1 of myself and Morality was probably scum, throwing in a Vorkuta lynch as his primary choice.

Claiming 100% confidence and backing off like its nothing as he does in these two examples is arguably a perspective slip, but at best its strongly scum indicative.

I kinda feel like this is playstyle more than anything alignment specific

- RC actively broke up the town bloc, and a lot of his play has been around that.

Who were the townblock at that point?

-

(not a big point) This one is more just something I noticed early on and decided to put a pin in because it'd be cute if true:

[]@BOATS LOOK AT THIS POST LATER[]

RC commented about how vote fluidity was one thing he couldn't fake as scum... and then lacked it completely for the first 80% of the day. For example, he parked Creature despite calling him town for a long time before he moved his vote.

I'll need to double check this, noting.

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RC's Yellow read is clearly fabricated

. He has had him as lock town since like first third of day 1, and really, this is scummy regardless of Yellow's alignment. Either its a traitor game where scum can't really afford to bus as much and he decided to try to lock town his newbie partner, or he fabricated his read on the weakest player in order to pocket them (very easy on newbies). Yellow's iso is blatantly scummy, and you can argue twtbw (which I kind of thought at one point) but the complete confidence he's town is clear garbage. I prodded him on this many times, as did other players d1, and he dodged every time because when you play a super aggro hyperposty style you can afford to dodge shit like that and the vast majority of ppl will forget or not care. But this is one of the strongest points here I think.
- RC's lock solve scum pool d1 was mostly town
- (weaker angleshooty point) RC claiming VT as he essentially did and then yelling to be docced is a good reason to explain why he's alive late game, since with Yellow as a partner he would need to be planning to endgame.

I'll check this too

[Ankamius]

I don't think the case itself is scummy, but it's the kind of thing where I will have to cross check to see if I can get a sense whether it's compelling or not

I kinda wish he was still here, he's a player I can generally read given enough time interacting with him.

[Ankamius]

Tbh I might just try the same tactic that made me realize he was town in two of our last games together, it's been mostly true in my experience

[Ankamius]

Actually it turned out true in the third

Okay I should just read the thread then

Siiiiiiiiigh

[Ankamius]

Wait I'm high, one of those games is older than I thought

Nvm then

[Ankamius]

To be fair, RC does play scum in a way so he can write it off that’s how he plays as town.

I think the case is solid, I thought a good amount of the stuff too. It doesn’t make RC slot scum, but the case itself is solid.

Why do these posts feel weird boon

[Ankamius]

I'm not comfortable lynching anyone

on the CoA wagon

or in the neighborhood unless there is an overwhelming case.

I'm curious why this is.

[Ankamius]

Because CoA was scum and in the absense of other evidence I think those contributing to a red lynch should be given the benefit of the doubt. Sure scum will bus but overall scum need town to be lynched and not scum to win.

I thought I read somewhere that scum don't know who the traitor is?

And if there's one slot that's expendible, it's the traitor.

[Ankamius]

It's called crumbing.

I don't think scum would purposefully lynch the traitor unless necessary.

This is all WIFOM to be honest and I think vote analysis gives us a better chance of victory.

Do people still crumb in 2019?

[Ankamius]

I can't remember the last time I saw a crumb be anything but a wifommy distraction

I think it was like... five years ago.

Good traitors don't need to crumb, the last time I was scum with a traitor, they pushed me in a way that made me realize who the traitor was within a couple days of the game starting. There's enough quality players here that I think it would be pretty simple to fake something similar if any of them are scum

[Ankamius]

Is it just morality/dunn

[Ankamius]

Considering the 1v1 ridiculousness that Morality/RC had... erm...

Why don't we like Boats's plan?

Funny thing is, that's not a good reason to discount it

[Ankamius]

What do you mean what is my problem

[Ankamius]

Actually idk how I feel about that claim either

[Ankamius]

Well it's consistent with his play at least

Idk I still feel morality is the more likely scum of the two

[Ankamius]

No

[Ankamius]

Does scum RB make sense with what we know about the setup so far?

It doesn't feel like it fits the theme I'm seeing with the setup to me

[Ankamius]

It is to me

[Ankamius]

I can't tell if you're flailing because you're scum knowing this kind of thing would out you or if you're town that doesn't think it will give the correct result

[Ankamius]

I heard somewhere here that nk15 is known for more outlandish setups. I know about how irchers large was designed (which he was either a backup or comod for), but does anybody know which games would show this? I want to check something.

[Ankamius]

I can't tell if you're flailing because you're scum knowing this kind of thing would out you or if you're town that doesn't think it will give the correct result

Is flailing more of a scum thing from me or town?

Actual question. I’m pretty solid and consistent when I’m scum, but I’ve been known to fake flailing.

I’m just thinking over stuff right now, i don’t really think this is me flailing.

I know it's not a scum tell for you exactly but I don't doubt you can fake it to look like your town flailing

I need the context to decide whether it's town or scum flailing

[Ankamius]

Something smart: can you explain to me why your entrance into this game is completely different from your entrance in merchants daughter?

[Ankamius]

Few reasons.

Main reason is that I actually read a decent amount of this one. Also, just, the people and the environment are different... one of the reasons I replaced in was to play with Boon :P (And I had info on him, to boot)

Okay...

Can you go into more detail here?

I am asking because you were pretty blatantly town in MD over town and you are a lot less impressive here from what I've seen so far

[Ankamius]

RC hardclaimed VT- do we still stand by that?

Quote it for me?

[Ankamius]

Can you go into more detail here?

I mean I can tell you all the things that were different between that game and this one...?

You really shouldn't be surprised that my play here is different from there. That was an extremely high stress game, it moved at lightning speed, and it was a very dayplay-heavy setup.

But you felt a lot more engaged there and trying to scumhunt

Your okay this game feels a lot more flat and like you are content with your one thought, which is dissonant with my read on your personally and what you are saying.

[Ankamius]

Idk SS, I'm not getting the same feel from you this game

[Ankamius]

This game is impressively hard to get into

[Ankamius]

If there's three scum remaining, that would explain why the setup feels weird and why there's so few slots that feel particularly town

How many mislynches do we have assuming that's the case? I think only one?

[Ankamius]

Jfc

Well bnh and Tarkus are the only slots I've ever felt were town while I've been in the game so far

That leaves the lynch pool down to 5 players

I only need one more townread to be able to lazily call that a solve

[Ankamius]

Even my Tarkus townread is solely based on a single thing he said a while back

YellowSnow hasn't looked town
Dunnstral looks sketchy
Something smart looks sketchy
Morality is throwing scumpings everywhere
Vorkuta I never remember is even in the game

Can one of you town up please tyia

[Ankamius]

Morality claims there are 4 scum alive: there's no scum dead, 9 players alive, and 3 wagons at 1 player each. It's 5 to lynch. You do the math.

VOTE: Morality

I got the impression that the traitor counted

[Ankamius]

UNVOTE:

Morality is the lynch today then, I have more to do before hammer though.

No, SS is gambiting.

I’m an informed Miller who knows there isn’t any Loyal modifiers and there is a total of 4 scum.

Yeah there's totally 4 scum alive

[Ankamius]

Ok

Do you still think morality is scum

[Ankamius]

You shouldn't be, I've done about as much this game as you have

[Ankamius]

You're just now noticing all this?

[Ankamius]

Dunn/SS/Vorkuta is looking like the team atm?

I don't think scum would be looking to bus morality in this situation and it wouldn't surprise me if this was a "last ditch" effort to try to brute force mislynch for two replaceins with a near completely absent partner

It makes more sense than morality being scum and just about everyone pushing him anyways

[Ankamius]

Did you not before this

[Ankamius]

Yeah I don't think this ever flips town

[Ankamius]

VOTE: Dunnstral

[Ankamius]

NGL Ank, I'm a little suspicious of you, but the Dunn vote makes you very likely town as scum has no reason to bus him there regardless of who their partner(s) is(/are).

I think it's going to be ultimately useless if I try to read this game, I historically can't get reads any better from RC-led games whether I'm there or read through it back, and it's pretty obvious just from him having almost 800 posts that it's well past that point this game.

So I'd rather look to sort people and fit this dichotomy into a solve I build from there because I'm finding it ridiculous to humor it enough to solve directly.

[Ankamius]

I even quoted the wrong thing

Great job

[Ankamius]

Is this your implied response to my response re: my case, or unrelated? Cause I was expecting / hoping to talk about that more.

It's unrelated

[Ankamius]

I'm not necessarily opposed to the plan, I just want more confident townreads to work from since that will help me contextualize the rest of the game so I can work out where the scum are from there

I have not read the mod kill stuff at this moment no

[Ankamius]

Atm I have an iffy townread on my neighbor... but that's it

Can you help me sort YellowSnow?

[Ankamius]

Btw I prefer the Dunnstral vote but mainly because I'm most sure he's scum

I find the eagerness to sort this mess today on the scummy side actually

[Ankamius]

I hard tunnelled Vorkuta in our last game but looking back after his flip he was obv town, so learn from your mistakes etc. His play here feels genuine and I don't quite know if its fakeable as newb scum, I cited specific stuff earlier if you wanna chec my iso but I'm in lecture rn and don't really have time.

And finally, Morality / RC are both dominant scum players and I had them as my solve with CoA at one point, so lynching dunn resolves pretty much everything to me. I was gonna say I didn't really feel that anymore, but Dunn voting Tarkus drew attention to that for me so idfk. I think what's going on here is whoever's town is playing badly and whoever's scum is also playing not great, and the result is a pretty dead and confusing game.

Ank, what makes you town read me? I remember you scumreading me in most of the games we've played together I think, though correct me if I'm wrong, so what's the difference?

In Necromancer, I think I always had you in my "idk how to sort this person" list more than anything else; you weren't as obvtown as Nancy/Zito/ActionDan, but you weren't obvscum like Kokichi/brass. I spent most of the game trying to find the elusive third scum after everyone converted to the kokichi/brass-scum mindset :V

In Police Academy, that was just more too many people being obvtown and schadd_ being scummy, you just made the most sense as a partner for almost50/gorkington :/

this game, I can tell you don't have a scummy mindset; most of the people I'm seeing in this game have an agenda-style mindset where they're focusing on small things and tunneling them or just outright not posting entirely; the fact that you're having more of a broad reach and trying to get people to do more than what they're already doing rings town when scum really don't need to put themselves on a pedestal like that in order to have a good shot this game. It's essentially a gamestate read that I don't need a read on the gamestate itself to be able to reach. Plus, as a bonus, the way you've handled reading my slot since I replaced in was blatantly town

[Ankamius]

btw just for full transparency

the thing I'm somewhat townreading Tarkus for is his stating that I pinged him because I didn't post creature's reads

that struck me as a town thought process

[Ankamius]

UNVOTE: Dunnstral

[Ankamius]

I'm at work and I'm being dragged away by friends of mine right afterwards for a while

And I don't really want to start new stuff until I've had time to look at the stuff you told me to look at and risk tilting you so

[Ankamius]

(I'm very wary of all the mind melding going on that was mostly sidelined for this ss vs morality thing)

[Ankamius]

People are too okay with a Dunn lynch despite the relative lack of focus there until recently and Tarkus hasn't done anything lately but is still getting mostly support

Idk I feel like there should be more conflict than just SS vs morality and Vorkuta vs YellowSnow

[Ankamius]

It makes me think scum are out of the spotlight enough to not be worried about it

[Ankamius]

People are too okay with a Dunn lynch despite the relative lack of focus there until recently and Tarkus hasn't done anything lately but is still getting mostly support

Idk I feel like there should be more conflict than just SS vs morality and Vorkuta vs YellowSnow

On the mindmelding side stepping Morality vs SS, if I were scum, I’m caught later, people pushing there is incredibly anti-town.

Sure, I know I’m just a waste of a mislynch, but still.

If you go me today, tomorrow is lylo, so going me just to prove that is garbage.

Well yeah that's why I was suspicious of SS and Dunn in the first place

[Ankamius]

Idk I feel like there should be more conflict than just SS vs morality and Vorkuta vs YellowSnow

This plus Aura is over half the game, only leaves out us 2, Dunn, and Tarkus. I am pushing Dunn, who is pushing Tarkus (ish...), and you and Tarkus aren't really pushing anything. This statement is nonsense.

Either you're being obtuse or you didn't actually understand what I said

[Ankamius]

Eh

On second thought I guess conflict is a vague term

I mean conflict as in conflicting reads

[Ankamius]

I'm curious why RC entered day 2 saying that at least 1/2 of morality and bnh are scum?

[Ankamius]

Fuck

Me

Morality looks really bad on day two things

I'm done I give up

VOTE: Dunnstral

[Ankamius]

That exact attitude is why I can't townbin you for the shitty pushes on you

[Ankamius]

I've yet to see anything decisive that proves that you're town like you keep yammering on about over and fucking over again

We also are under no obligation to sort this shit out today and I personally don't think it's very realistic to have a solid read one way or the other with the information we have now and since nobody is talking or doing really anything, flips is the only way to get that info

[Ankamius]

Morality

I've lost at least a dozen town games because for whatever boneheaded reason towns love clearing a scum for the most random shit in the world and town just assumes its true forever

I don't take shit like that seriously unless I have a very good reason to believe that it's true, so unless there's something irrefutable or damn near close to irrefutable, I'm not going to buy it

[Ankamius]

And I don't do meta without having good odds of being able to tell why the person's town game and scum game are different

Meta is only useful for proving that a slot can do something as both alignments otherwise

[Ankamius]

The way you've been worrying specific posts is so fucking awkward too

I don't know if I've ever seen that from you before

[Ankamius]

Wording*

[Ankamius]

It’s Vorkuta and Ankamius, which is why Ank has been pushing the no neighborhood thing.

What does this even mean

[Ankamius]

????????

You make no sense to me

[Ankamius]

Hi I'm no longer asleep

[Ankamius]

Dunn is L-1

[Ankamius]

Morality

I've lost at least a dozen town games because for whatever boneheaded reason towns love clearing a scum for the most random shit in the world and town just assumes its true forever

I don't take shit like that seriously unless I have a very good reason to believe that it's true, so unless there's something irrefutable or damn near close to irrefutable, I'm not going to buy it

Hahahaha I could rant about this for so long

I know right

Morality is going to give me ptsd one of these days

[Ankamius]

Why are you complaining about deadline votes

[Ankamius]

I'm not playing particularly well here but this game isn't exactly one of those where you can

Considering that nobody has done much of anything other than like... 2 players, and you've done very little to offset that

[Ankamius]

And this flailing against votes that are being put on you is hilariously bad when you could've put this effort in when all these same slots posted support for a deadline lynch on you

So if you happen to be town this game, that's really on you

[Ankamius]

SS is also very likely scum though so

[Ankamius]

Ya I misread, there were like 3 people that supported it and apparently none of them are the ones that actually voted

That's also interesting isn't it

[Ankamius]

wat

why is Dunnstral dead?

[Ankamius]

wait a minute...

I think I understand what happened

I need to rethink how I'm approaching this game

[Ankamius]

don't

vote

it could be lylo

[Ankamius]

tarkus and I melded slightly in the neighborhood during the night

my townread of them have strengthened from that, I'm not seeing why he would humor me like that when he was mostly absent in the thread yesterday

[Ankamius]

I also was online and posting and actively didn’t kill Dunn. As scum, there’s zero reason for me to do that. I had no clue there’d be 2 kills.

did you just vomit words on the screen

[Ankamius]

also do we know what aura was informed about?

[Ankamius]

lol

the one mention of "informed" birb had in her iso was her asking what it meant close to the end of it

well that's nice

[Ankamius]

I have some interesting thoughts about the setup that I'll share once we have all the claims

but morality might be mechanically scum if I have the right pattern pegged

[Ankamius]

you could just wait until we get all the claims and I out my thoughts before you spend the next 3 pages flailing about nothing mort

[Ankamius]

jesus fucking christ

I'm this close to spending the rest of the game posting in my neighborhood just so I don't have to see you post

[Ankamius]

I

don't

care

I want a SOLVE

NOT A LOCKSCUM

[Ankamius]

jesus fucking christ

I'm this close to spending the rest of the game posting in my neighborhood just so I don't have to see you post

This is scum then.

I am actively fucking giving actual reasons to why I’m town.

I’m not going to just sit back and not do any work during crunch time.

This is incredibly anti town of you.

you're acting like I've already lockscummed you and am going to death tunnel you for the rest of the game

read what I actually posted again

[Ankamius]

I

don't

care

I want a SOLVE

NOT A LOCKSCUM

What does this do with anything?

I’m gonna solve, but nobody can get any type of solve without seeing that I’m town.

k this is the last time I respond to you this game

gl

[Ankamius]

I'm a vanilla neighbor if it helps

[Ankamius]

We just need shit moving

I'm not waiting 3 days for Vorkuta to finally get back to the thread only to have to wait another 3 days for YellowSnow too

[Ankamius]

ok daddy

[Ankamius]

cool

glad to know that we are potentially in lylo where solving the setup could win town the game and yet "I don't need to reveal yet"

[Ankamius]

aghhh I feel like Ank is town but I think that means scum has to be [YS, Boats, SS/Morality]
Unless Ank was worried that I'd be a confirmable PR and thus worth trying to pocket?
It vexes me. I'm terribly vexed.

this kinda pings

it feels overacted

[Ankamius]

I guess?

I'm pretty checked out by now so

[Ankamius]

I thought he felt town in the neighborhood but ngl a lot of that is him bothering to talk to me at all

[Ankamius]

This was during night, eddie

Iirc the neighborhood hasn't had any posts since day start

[Ankamius]

This was during night, eddie

Iirc the neighborhood hasn't had any posts since day start

oh, i was going off your post to boon where you said youre done posting in main thread

that was to him mainly

[Ankamius]

I'll be here before deadline

Tbh I'm okay with that solve, i don't really understand why my slot is town from that but w/e

[Ankamius]

Because we are mass claiming.

[Ankamius]

STK looks scum from that alone

[Ankamius]

STK looks scum from that alone

Not really from that, but this elongated absence without a claim is definitely scummy.

So basically the same thing that makes his entrance into the game scummy?

[Ankamius]

Is there a reason for me to claim before SS, though?
It's what he wants, and if there is a consensus that he's town or that I'm scum I'll glady do so, but otherwise I don't see why it's necessary for me to claim first. I also want to read the last few pages in detail before I make any moves.

This post

Is the scummiest thing I've ever seen in my life

[Ankamius]

STK looks scum from that alone

Not really from that, but this elongated absence without a claim is definitely scummy.

So basically the same thing that makes his entrance into the game scummy?

What are you calling scummy specifically? His "entrance" was fine.

No it wasn't.

I don't believe for a second you thought his entrance was fine.

[Ankamius]

HELLO IF ANYONE NOT IN THIS GAME HAPPENS TO BE READING IT:

Please do us a huge favor and replace into the Yellow slot and claim. You literally don't have to do anything else.

If nobody replaces into the slot in 24 hours the game will be busted.

Thanks in advance.

I just saw this and decided to randomly replace in lol

Before I claim though, is there a reason I should claim now?

Yeah Eddie LOL

[Ankamius]

Think what you want Eddie, I strongly doubt you actually believe it (:

[Ankamius]

Morality are you sure SS is town

[Ankamius]

@Vorkuta, do not out who you are thinking of shooting if anyone.

I no longer have Snow as town

, so any shot besides SS is a fine shot. You do not need to shoot, but I think you should.

:thonk:

[Ankamius]

i am now thinking of cfdfing to Ank slot today

+1

:thonk:

[Ankamius]

If Ank was scum, Tarkus would have been killed by now. Ank is town.

this I don't understand

I would've killed Boats as scum

[Ankamius]

VOTE: Ankamius

:thonk:

[Ankamius]

that depends entirely on who my team is lol

[Ankamius]

Well

bnh

and

Tarkus

are the only slots I've ever felt were town while I've been in the game so far

Boats

.
Yellow.

Tarkus

Tbh I'm okay with that solve

:thonk:

what's weird about it

I was not expecting Aura to be shot last night

[Ankamius]

Who were you expecting to get shot last night?

you or one of us neighbors

[Ankamius]

aura was AWOL
yellowsnow was AWOL
dunnstral was prime mislynch bait
vorkura was prime mislynch bait
morality + ss is a dichotomy that is bad to resolve at night

leaving the two active slots that aren't directly involved in any long standing dram and the neighborhood which I believed at the time had low odds of being infiltrated

killing the IC doesn't give any of those benefits

[Ankamius]

Lol

Gg

[Ankamius]

Can't believe we let obvscum STK get away with that but sure

[Ankamius]

Lol

Gg

What was it, you STK Morality?

I would have tunnelled you but tbh I have a real bad concussion rn and I just didn't care

That was pretty blatantly planned

[Ankamius]

Siiiiiiiigh

This game was a fucking train wreck to try to get into

This is one of those that I needed a lot of real time interactions and I got so little of that from enough slots that I couldn't get any foothold

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Suddenly the fact that the only people who seemed to care were scum makes me feel a lot less bad about this loss

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Funny thing is, I think I was legitimately correct that Morality was mechanically lockscum

So I effectively had all 3 scum locked by the end of the game

God damn it lol

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Thank you for replacing in stk

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I know lol, but you were scum so you didn't need to

Thank you for replacing in either way

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Ngl

The modkill played into my reasoning for not reading anything from before I replaced in

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And the neighborhood was impressively useless for how many people were in there

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Usually neighborhoods aren't that useless

Usually I can get a feel for roughly how the game played out on a macro level by reading through it

That was literally 4 pages of "who in the neighborhood is scum???" and random reads lists

Wtf

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I think the 20 minutes of solving Tarkus and I did night 3 or whenever was a lot more useful than any of that

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What are all the roles in one list?

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I find it insane that we had two lynches, one of which was scum before town lost

But ngl I also have the impression that town horribly misplayed the power that was there so

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RCE's role doesn't matter 53/54 of the time, and neighborhoods don't really affect balance at all especially when scum is in them.

Traitor- scum, however. Your statement on RCE's role is incorrect. The traitor being in the selection with them and the cop meant they came all under heavy fire; making the survival of the traitor unlikely, and town really failed to catch even one mafia from the traitor flip. You are omitting two high powers, though.
1. Aurathebirb (they forgot this shame on them) originally knew (due to informed) that Mafia had a traitor and consisted of 4 scum.
2. Vorkuta, the Vig, had a powerful information: They could not be stopped from killing Mafia. That meant that any N3+ protective without Loyal, and any N3+roleblocker without disloyal

was a fakeclaim

. And the Macho IC and the info about the N1 Neighbor cop(as cop) were designed to lessen the possibility of them being killed early.

These powers were not used this time.
This is why I said a bit scumsided and not alot.

My primary feedback for you is that the role pms really were not easy to read, it took me like 30 seconds to understand the babysitter role with all the different modifiers solely from how it was formatted.

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i don't think normal games should be predominantly decided by usage of town power.

Aura never coming in and revealing her info, and even later asking what informed was meant that we believed morality was the source of the town being informed of 4 scum. The problem is... I can't really be sure that she even did realize she had that info because of the aforementioned formatting.

If that mishap hadn't happened, I strongly believe that I would have played the game differently than I did.

I only pushed sorting the SS vs morality thing until later because of that tidbit

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I was thinking the setup was based around access and unaccess to information, RC.

That's why I was thinking that Morality was mechanically scum after aura's flip and why I was thinking that the traitor was probably the only mafia in the neighborhood.

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Vedith slot was me RC

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We had only one lynch on town and it lost us the game

The only other one was on scum lol

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Who are the top 4 RC? I'm curious

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Who are the top 4 RC? I'm curious

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It's not me. I'm bottom 4.

no me

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It's not me. I'm bottom 4.

no me

Apparently I’m top 5 from a player who drastically underestimates me, so I think I should take that as a compliment.

Ngl

The ate probably is a massive part of it

I think I would have pushed you a lot harder if you didn't spam like 20 posts every time I indicated you were anything but locktown

Even then, I was only townreading you because I thought SS was being... strangely underwhelming. I fully believed that his tone should have been similar to how it was in merchants daughter and the way he was approaching his really this game just felt fake

Plus even with the subterfuge, I managed to correctly call you as the scum in that dichotomy just from knowing like half the setup, so...

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Plus... well, town was so apathetic by the time I came in that it was essentially impossible to do anything regardless of what I did

Tarkus and aura being AWOL essentially neutralized me

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Hey I didn't have much to work with :S

That engagement was just as much to see if that was a valid way to read you as much getting a read in general, and I really didn't get much out of it lol

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And yeah, Ank, my AtE/WIFOM game is pretty top notch.

that

probably isn't something to be proud of

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And yeah, Ank, my AtE/WIFOM game is pretty top notch.

that

probably isn't something to be proud of

Disagree. You play to your strengths.

I build convincing cases when I’m scum. I build great setup spec WIFOM.

I bring in my ability to be genuine so I survive, and create that personal connection with players.

That's the problem though

I'm going to not pay attention to your WIFOM if your playstyle focuses a lot on WIFOM and ate, at best I will ignore you which is bad for town you

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Actually you know what

That style hard counters mine in general, if only because other people are going to pay any attention to it

[Ankamius]

Oh I was always paying attention to you and was going to regardless

I just decided to stop talking to you because you were making 20 posts every time I did

[Ankamius]

Uh, I nearly replaced in this game.

You made the right choice... :shifty:

[Ankamius]

you're welcome

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I like neighborhoods partly because I get to shitpost in them when the game isn't interesting