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[RCEnigma]

First

[RCEnigma]

Why not both?

[RCEnigma]

Hello.
I was a replace in.
But don't assume that my other body saw my role and didn't want to be Scum, maybe they just prefer not to be town!

Morality on the other hand has a very high chance of being Scum.

Pretty sure the two people realized that they had the chance to give up their roles so that Vedith and Flavor Leaf could replace in and have a blast losing as scum together.

Only in fantasy land, though.

I did this comment specifically for you, RCE.

Lol well, FL can't make it to lylo now. We absolutely have to Lynch him this game.

[RCEnigma]

And then I got my role pm.

Side note, I like how we’re not voting. I’m totally down to not have an RVS this game, and just start voting when it’s time to vote.

No worries, alignment won't stop us

[RCEnigma]

As the real RC I don't approve.

[RCEnigma]

Me and shoshin 1v1 with FL then.

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You have to distinguish real or not real RC.

[RCEnigma]

If you haven't kissed it doesn't matter.

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I have a decent FL read, what can I say.

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RCEnigma and Vedith lean scum. Morality lean scum + needs to die, so more votes here please

If Enigma, Vedith, and I were the scum team, we’d have all straight face claimed miller.

Nuff said.

Or scum claimed outright to be honest.

[RCEnigma]

4 posts and 8 posts without voting is gross.

Who's alt is RCEnigma?

I have 22 and haven’t thrown one down. However, that’s just a playstyle thing, I think. I have a tendency to not vote until something pings me.

RCEnigma isn’t an alt, I don’t think.

It’s interesting that you seem to know me yet you’re claiming a PL. if you actually knew me, you’d know that that’s very much not gonna happen, in addition you’d know that as town, I tend to reaction test with claims a lot.

I’m also on my Morality account, so I play overly analytical, yet i get reckless when I can taste triumph. True to the Light Yagami character himself.

And I'm voting you

How does he know RC if he isnt an alt, from mu or w.e?

Is it not gonna happen? I think it very well might. Especially because you're the scummiest poster so far.

I disagree. I’m NAI at best. If anything, I think I’m townie than most people. People just like to scum read the guy who self analyzes and controls the game flow early before actual reads are set in.

I’m the loudest player, but by no means am I actually the scummiest. Look further into it than surface level.

This play was very much by design, and is creating the intended results.

This goes hand in hand with the page one claim, it could come from either alignment. Early content leans town to me. Moreso than anyone else but I tend to just call FL town and actually evaluate it later.

[RCEnigma]

4 posts and 8 posts without voting is gross.

Who's alt is RCEnigma?

I'm a Hydra of RC and Enigma.

[RCEnigma]

I don't follow birb.

[RCEnigma]

You think his self awareness is scummy?

[RCEnigma]

I actually don't have a problem with this town block.

[RCEnigma]

6 posts from Vorkuta with no vote thrown down but Boats is gonna townbin him anyway. Funny how that works.

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Viewtopic.php?f=11&t=78318 scum here, didnt place a vote for a long time.

This is a game I repped into. For a meta read this is extremely one sided since every scum game I have on sight also has a vote within the first 5 posts.

Not sure how an aberration from both my town and scum game lands on the side of scummy. That seems a bit unfair.

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with no vote thrown down

I mean what can I say- this game doesn't have a traditional RVS so joking around is kind of out of the point.
I'd vote on an existing wagon to generate pressure but I doubt the players of this caliber would even blink at that.

And I'd really like to be able to you know- do something useful this game, so I'm asking all you cool kids to give me literally anything to go on.

vote boon, hes probably scum.

and future advice: always have your vote down on somebody day 1/2, it's your duty as a townie.

Don't be intimidated Vorkuta, they aren't Demi gods.

[RCEnigma]

Anything that strays from the normal or usual.

[RCEnigma]

You’re right, I’m not a Demi god. Read my sig.

Ya know, being Light is very fitting since you won't live to see the conclusion. If you end up being scum it would just be that much more fitting.

[RCEnigma]

I think 12 of the players here are strong players.

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being Light is very fitting

why not the potatochip.gif avatar though?

I was hoping he saved it till his 1v1 with Vedith started.

[RCEnigma]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=78019

3p voted first post.

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=77824

3p voted first post.

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=77567

Scum, first post vote.

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=77461

Scum, first post vote.

Point is, my lack of a vote isn't town or scum meta indicative. Not even slightly.

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@RCEnigma, please do actually link those games. View topics is being glitchy right now.

Your last posts made it sound like you believe that you do generally vote early as either alignment, which isn't true from my sample size but its a small sample so I can accept that. If so, why is this game different? Why have you posted for 7 pages now pretty frequently without placing a vote? Also, I see nothing indicating any reads in your ISO aside from agreeing with Boon's town bloc. Finally, can you show me a town game where you didn't place a vote for a while? If you can cite one, I'll drop it.

The only game I didn't vote in my first few posts was a game I repped into as scum late in day 1 where a vote would have hammered town. So yes it very much is true.

[RCEnigma]

yeah but ur avatar is

VOTE: rcenigma

Quite the catch other RC.

[RCEnigma]

Also, I see nothing indicating any reads in your ISO aside from agreeing with Boon's town bloc.

I haven't talked about my reads yet and no one has asked what they are so that may be why.

[RCEnigma]

i am the real RC

you can be RCE

We'll have to 1v1 for the right at some point.

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Also, I see nothing indicating any reads in your ISO aside from agreeing with Boon's town bloc.

I haven't talked about my reads yet and no one has asked what they are so that may be why.

People need to ask for reads to be given? I said that to imply I wanted to know your reads.

It would be nice, I'm not just a piece of meat ya know.

[RCEnigma]

- Enigma, reads.

A little pushy, we can do better next time I'm sure.

My reads are something like

Aura, morality conf town

Conf town of my conf town are RC and CoA by extension
Or was it shoshin? Shoshin would be in my town block without RC's read so I guess it doesn't matter.

I like Vorkuta.

Null null null null

BnH, for someone already caught lying about meta you are pretty caught up on Moralitys lie. If I recall correctly part of your semi read on him was, and I quote "lies a lot as town".

J would Lynch here....if I were a voting man that is.

[RCEnigma]

Boon is a player who lies a lot as town.

For posterity.

[RCEnigma]

So she doesn't get pocketed.

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I'm assuming the vote is a response to me calling Shoshin town without any real explanation behind it so it looks like pocketing. I'm questioning your read on me the same way Yellow, though I haven't done so with a vote.

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You seem to be objectively sorting more than any other player imho.

This is NAI I can play objectively as either alignment although It's mostly my 3P game which isn't relevant in normal queue.

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No u.

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I think I already said I was scum reading RCEnigma but yeah that's still happening. Couldn't think of how to phrase my reasoning. Maybe a tone thing?

It's cool, I get this often honestly. There are players that read what I'm doing and there are players that read what I'm saying. I think Teacher and Varsoon are the only players I've come across that can pin point what I'm doing. Everyone else falls into the latter category.

[RCEnigma]

Creature is inactive site-wide afaik. Not shielding him because he is a lurker as scum and would likely rep out if he rolled scum this game....so I'd probably wait till then.

[RCEnigma]

If boats hits L-1 I'll insta hammer, so watch your votes boys.

[RCEnigma]

Aura, morality conf town

im gonna need to see justificatino of this

The things he does day 1 will be clearer to read into day 2 but not day 1. So I won't read him till then. It's not a null read because that would mean I don't care if he's lynched at this point. I'd like him around day 2 because I feel I have a fairly good read on his play as either alignment past day 1.

[RCEnigma]

So, Morality hasn't scumread me at all, probably scum but like I said I won't really read his play until tomorrow.

Im a fan of CoAs catchup.

RC questioning his read on me gets me hot and bothered. Don't think me townreading him holds much weight though and I'll probably lean on others to read him for me... For now at least.

Snow is probably town and the pushes on him are bad, likely scum in there.

I'll hang onto my boats scumread.

[RCEnigma]

And Shoshin is my top town at the moment.

[RCEnigma]

It's just shoshin and Vedith at this point. I'll throw myself in there as I voiced my intent to hammer when town comes around.

[RCEnigma]

Too much ate for Kira, not enough calculated strike.

Won't be using specific posts for my shoshin read but the gist of it is her snapvote on me when I gave the vague conf town read on her was pretty townie, her questioning on RC was in the same vein.

Backing down from her push on Vedith and overall her voting doesn't read like jumpy scum. I'd consider them pings on slots she wants a reason to townread. I don't see it as day 1 scumplay.

Sure I'd be wary of most of the players here attempting to deep wolf just based on the caliber of players in this list but Shoshin isn't a slot I'm going to consider lynching right now.

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tbh I've been ignoring everything morality posts until d2
what is the lie

Going through roomy and Tarkus' iso. This seems like a post regurgitated from a scum pt originating from someone familiar with FL and the fact this is his alt.

[RCEnigma]

we're probably lynching creature today anyway

Looks that way.

[RCEnigma]

I chainsaw defended you against boats too. N-not that you owe me one or anything.

[RCEnigma]

Yeah kinda hoping you're town so I don't have to actually read RC. What a nightmare.

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Honestly, though, I’d say you’re the most familiar with me as of late, RCE. Vedith and I haven’t played in a while, and RC and I butt heads because we’re both players who take the town leader spot.

Also I don't alt hunt so if it wasn't said that this was your alt I would probably be reading you a lot differently.

[RCEnigma]

This sounds very, very specific lol.

[RCEnigma]

So I've had an epiphany and if Creature flips town RC is always scum. Don't @ me.

[RCEnigma]

VOTE: Creature btw.

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But I'm done thinking for today, the more I think the scummier I think RC is.

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But yeah I only want to flip creature today.

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So RC not voting creature despite hyping him up as today's Lynch pinged me in retrospect. Running creature up spews his alignment as obvtown or kbvscum. Which kind of splits the Poe he keeps bringing up.

On top of that I could see RC setting up for late game already, his Poe is part of it, reluctance to Lynch what he called the power slots is another. It gives ScumRC wiggle room late so he can't be poe'd based on the strong players being nightkilled and RC remaining. Which would be one of the stronger points against him.

But yeah back to creature, I think if Creature is town RC is getting town to push creature for him. Or decide not to push him at all since he knows creatures alignment becomes clear close to a Lynch.

[RCEnigma]

Part of that is the implicit assumption that I as scum think that saying I scumread someone and not voting them and them getting lynched is somehow beneficial to me?

It doesn't hurt you necessarily, it's still +scum -town.

[RCEnigma]

It's essentially meaningless if you take for granted that I am going to direct the lynch regardless of whether my vote is on it.
Everyone knows that Creature is going to get lynched and that Creature is going to get lynched because of me.
Why does whether my vote ends up being on the wagon really matter if whether the lynch happens or not is not in question?

You're giving yourself too much credit if you feel this playerlist can read creature. He's up for a Lynch because of meta.

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Creature is going to get lynched because of me.

Oh and lol get off your horse bud this is not a scum lynch you get credit for

I am literally locktown do you think that I would ever bus creature as scum? no never i never bus

I can't prove it and I'm not inclined to check so I'll take this at face value.

[RCEnigma]

He can be scum, I voted him because I think he's scum, but if he's not I think you are.

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@COA: Have you played with Shoshin? What's your opinion of her in general?

Was it after this? She answered this specifically.

[RCEnigma]

ok i finished reading. VOTE: rce

Makes sense.

[RCEnigma]

that pool just looks like you put 5 names together

I kind of did.
But it doesn't change the fact it's true.

But only because there's likely 1 scum in every 5 names you pull lol.

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I thought you were starting to play for a second.

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If you guys can Lynch for something other than idk he just feels like scum, go for it. I want someone to take responsibility for my mislynch though.

Also it can be tomorrow, after Creature.

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Before I wifom myself into thinking he's town.

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I'm 10 pages behind so it'll take some time to catch up, page 48 has some pressure on Shoshin and Vedith though. I'll defend both of these slots, they are both strong townreads for me and bad lynches at that, Shoshin more so.

My reads have jumped around a fair bit so I'll get around to my reads list after I'm caught up.

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Enigma, why is Vedith town? You need to help me with that.

I can't explain it in detail at the moment, I'll get to it in time. Probably with my readslist.

I think it was yellow that asked if I still thought creature was scum, somewhat. He's still one of the better lynches today and creature/ddl is my shortlist.

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So I know my alignment. and I know rc should be generally pretty good at hunting for scum. So the fact that hes so wrong on my slot means hes more likely scum pushing for a mislynch

Don't try and get on my good side after I just called you scum lol.

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Did the RC vs morality thing die out already? Add morality to my shortlist.

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I think it's not worth pressuring FL to perform when he's struggling.

Remind me this was a thing tomorrow.

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Depends what happens in the night, I don't think you two bumping heads is insignificant. Like I said I read FL past day 1 and try to decipher what he was really doing early.

I feel like I generally have an idea what he is getting at when he starts a play and I'm not getting that this game. So for me personally it's worth looking into. Maybe not so much everyone else.

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It's not a reflection of your alignment. I mean it could be but I'm not treating it that way right now.

It's also not your call what I consider alignment spewing so there's that.

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Fwiw you're in my town block and shoshin townreads you so I'll take it on faith.

You're more likely town than Morality if I put the 1v1 in a box but that doesn't mean town, it's also not that relevant today if one of you isn't the Lynch.

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I....already said Shoshin is my top townread.

[RCEnigma]

Shoshin/CoA/Vedith/Aura

Vorkuta/RC/Boats

Yellowsnow/Tarkus

DDL/Creature/Morality

[RCEnigma]

No one else likes it either which makes me more confident he's town.

[RCEnigma]

And which reads are inauthentic?

What constitutes inoffensive?

Don't throw out bs and pray it sticks.

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Your reads are inauthentic bbecause theres no substance behind iit. For example you dont have anything on why I'm scum other than some omgus or creddible reasons on why vedith is town despite him doing nothing.

I'll get to both of these.

Rigid reads is also false.

Vedith/snow/boats/morality/RC have all shifted in my reads at some point or another.

[RCEnigma]

Boats scum to town, Vedith null to town, snow leantown to null, RC...well he hasn't really moved per say. I keep flipping over his alignment in my head but I'm not committed to reading him today so town by proxy of shoshin.

[RCEnigma]

Actually Creature might be Scum.
There s guaranteed Scum within RCE, Creature, CoA, DDL and Tarkus.
Maybe even two, but I'm sure only one.

I'm helping \o/

This Poe doesn't come from scum, I guess you could argue snow isn't in it because RC backed him early. In Vedith's case in relation to his play so far it would make more sense to snipe the easy lynches. It might be vain but I don't consider myself an easy lynch and CoA being thrown in puts a flag up. There's an angle to push with Tarkus/Roomy having 1 scum that Vedith avoided altogether so putting them at the end of the Poe only really makes sense to me if they are BOTH scum with him.

However only snow has really been willing to throw a vote down on him and Aura is the only person to really throw a townread down on him or consider him as town. Which signals to me that he's lynchbait, I think he's realized this as well and hasn't done much to change that perception which doesn't come from scum imo either.

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I changed my view on Boats in large part for the exchanges he's had with Vedith, they feel fluid and much better than his forced posting in regards to Morality early. I think most of my issue was his inconsistent meta scumread on me but I can buy that he wasn't committed to it in retrospect.

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My hangup with RC/Morality was that if they both rolled scum together I was fully expecting them to buss each other day 1. I was waiting for it actually, and what do you know we have a 1v1 that fizzles out pretty quickly.

I'll ping out some of the posts that prefaced this but I mostly expected it based on Moralitys setup of the situation, it doesn't necessarily mean it's S/S but it was premeditated at least on Moralitys end.

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Originally I pushed creature as an alignment check and figured RC was doing the same. It's why I brought my theory against RC not voting up. His contributions haven't convinced me he's town in any way. DDL coming in and defending Creature doednt help though it could be ddl TMI'ng. They aren't associated reads but they aren't unconnected if that makes sense.

What he just did with shoshin and myself is what he's been doing with CoA since he repped in. The case on Shoshin is considerably narrow given her body of work and is based on meta. He hasn't really cased CoA and I don't think he can get her lynched today so he's debasing reads on her in case there's an opening to Lynch later. The same way he's debasing shoshin/I. At the very least it's to break up our townreads on each other.

If shoshin let me pocket myself though I'd be pretty impressed.

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You aren't playing a lazy game. I also get the feeling you're pulling pressure from creature and of the creature voters I'm the easier push. Relatively speaking.

[RCEnigma]

Why push creature not reading RC over me not reading morality?

[RCEnigma]

I still like BnH

VOTE: DDL

[RCEnigma]

Then get me lynched.

[RCEnigma]

This is more like the RC games I've followed, so that's a good sign at least.

[RCEnigma]

I should probably step in huh. Independent of the DDL read, that she isn't forcing you or anyone else to commit to, what makes her scummy? If you want to through a list together I'll counter with the townpoints.

[RCEnigma]

Oooo he's self destructing...

[RCEnigma]

If any of it is serious. And if your serious scum Poe tag teamed to beat down their partner, BnH.

[RCEnigma]

And then went and said, just kidding, those bruises will heal.

[RCEnigma]

You've got likely 3 town in your scum team, take a break man.

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Distancing with my townreads? I guess.

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I just thing you went from pretty good reads to really shitty ones super fast.

BoP means I have to take whatever you do with a grain of salt, because there's probably a motive for it. So I asked what Scum'RC gains bouncing off the wall like this. I only really see it as a scum tactic if you were at risk of flipping and you had a strong connection with a partner mto stomp out associatives.

The criteria isn't met there and I don't see another scum utility for play like this so you're probably just town here reaction testing or trying to get something to stick.

Maybe it was intended for CoA and not me but I don't know.

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also RcE is reacting like someone who just had their christmas present yanked out from in front of them in regards to my reads changes

I just think it's a trash trio and your worst reads yet. I'd hear out your reasons behind it if you want to give them though.

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Preferably the reasons on CoA first since I townread her more. Unless it's just a fear read, in which case I don't really care.

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I don't know her meta, this is the first time I've seen CoA. So the way you've talked up her game is the only impression I have of her.

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Rce just discredited my scumread on a player NOTORIOUS for having a bad scum game and whom I am known for having a phenomenal ability to meta read by calling it a fear read.

Does anyone actually believe that that is something that he does as town? Does anyone actually believe that is something that he does when CoA is not a buddy?

So this was also my issue with your Morality 1v1, you aren't really attacking him this game. Or me for that matter, based on this game. You're making it a personal meta issue. I simply want you to back your read change up with content.

Especially if I'm included in your scum team knowing I'm scum along with someone else that I have no reason to scumread and legitimate reasons to townread.

This isn't a pissing contest man, slow it down.

[RCEnigma]

Ahh, the good ol days 1 Trainwreck. Timeless classic.

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Rce just discredited my scumread on a player NOTORIOUS for having a bad scum game and whom I am known for having a phenomenal ability to meta read by calling it a fear read.

Does anyone actually believe that that is something that he does as town? Does anyone actually believe that is something that he does when CoA is not a buddy?

So this was also my issue with your Morality 1v1, you aren't really attacking him this game. Or me for that matter, based on this game. You're making it a personal meta issue. I simply want you to back your read change up with content.

Especially if I'm included in your scum team knowing I'm scum along with someone else that I have no reason to scumread and legitimate reasons to townread.

This isn't a pissing contest man, slow it down.

if you're town I want you instadead for double townreading scum. I don't care what else you have to say at this point. bye.

You really don't understand my motives when I do things though.

I don't? but you don't explain them. I'm left to come up with my own motives and I can't think of any towny ones.
So if you really think your intentions are good and you're not just screwing with me on principle why don't you explain your decisions instead of just working against me constantly and never giving a reason.

Sure, if it makes you feel any better I'll wager on it. If CoA and BnH both flip scum this game I'll quit the site.

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Then you have nothing to worry about. Since you're totally right and all.

[RCEnigma]

Yep VOTE: BnH

Nothing personal kid. Except this personal thing that just happened lol.

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Ftr my initial impulse was

NSG/BNH confscum b/c there's literally no way that NSG doesn't recognize so therefore scum
but if NSG isn't actually trying to sort BNH, then, yeah. So really what was confirmed is that NSG is scum. nothing to do with BNH.

Nsg being CoA?

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FL is likely to scumread my town game. At the very least scumread it early but could be getting familiar with my game as a whole, didn't pursue it.

The AtE this game doesn't fit with what I know of his playstyle as either alignment. Which makes me question why he would feel the need to meta alter in this game with this playerlist specifically. That's the extent of my morality read.

If you both rolled scum together I absolutely think you hard buss each other. FL said himself he likes to go for the flashy play.

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Would you stop being an ass? I don't follow anyone's alts. If they bring it up in a game I've played with them then I'll have that knowledge.

I've never played with nsg but I've read a game or two she's been in. Never seen the CoA profile.

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Would you stop dumbtelling about not knowing it's getting really annoying

Keep it game related, stuff like this is honestly just pissing me off. I don't want to make it 3 for 3 but c'mon.

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It's not, CoA being an alt isn't something I have to come into the game knowing. But your treating it like since you know it everyone must.

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Maybe personal isn't the right word.

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That's not alignment indicative at all if I literally don't care about her alt since I'm sorting her based on THIS game.

[RCEnigma]

CoA isn't lock anything. Shoshin probably is regardless of your alignment.

[RCEnigma]

Whom I've only played one game with that there were mod replaced in.

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Oh I'm still willing to make that bet. But you want it on your terms. So cool, if you can convince the rest of the playerlist to Lynch CoA or myself I'll change my vote to either one. It's probably going to be easier to convince them I'm the scum of the two so I'll throw down the self vote if you can L-1 me.

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Because I now have the same issue with you that I have with DDL in that I know you are pushing the wrong way in regards to me and simultaneously pushing someone I believe to be town.

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I'm arguing your basis on meta doesn't trump the actions specific to this game.

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If it shuts you up VOTE: CoA

I want to make it clear that this is a vote out of frustration.
If all three flip town and you are actually town RC I don't want to hear how good your reads are, or how good your track record for reading X player is. At all.

If you're scum....nice actually, can't even be mad.

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I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you're having a bad...bad...really bad game.

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I already said I'd leave site if they both flip scum. Do you want more?

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this isn't personal. i don't dislike you. i actually kind of like you. if you're scum I REALLY like you. I just have a game to win.
I'm not using stuff you don't like being pushed on to piss you off or as an affront, I'm just trying to struggle through things

I'm not scum here, and I don't want AtE to be my response to pressure. I'll probably respond to your points at some point tomorrow when I'm cool headed.

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I still disagree that BnH/CoA are scum together with or without me.

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Which could still mean 1 between them, I just wouldn't lynch CoA day 1 if you can better read her day 2.

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And not to get into nk wifom but if you're town you only drop N1 if I'm town, morality is town, and shoshin is scum. I'll double check if that makes sense but it sounds right.

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My hangup with RC/Morality was that if they both rolled scum together I was fully expecting them to buss each other day 1. I was waiting for it actually, and what do you know we have a 1v1 that fizzles out pretty quickly.

I'll ping out some of the posts that prefaced this but I mostly expected it based on Moralitys setup of the situation, it doesn't necessarily mean it's S/S but it was premeditated at least on Moralitys end.

also this

setting me up to be scum when morality flips scum

etc

This actually sets us up to be a double mislynch if one of us went down, which is what I’m assuming would happen.

Scum are letting you power town this because I feel they feel you can get a couple mislynches then be potentially lynched.

This doesn't make sense from a town perspective. Naturally if you flipped and it was town there is no basis for S/S between you.

RC's point makes sense since a scum flip on you wouldn't clear him as it normally would. He can argue that as a scum narrative that makes sense.

You're completely skipping over the whole part where you flip. How does it end up a double mislynch?

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Actually, you took some time to get RCE going there, huh?

Reading kind of in reverse, bare with me.

Not voting CoA because I want to. I don't even think she's scum and this is probably a mislynch. It's just not a tragic one like a shoshin lynch would be.

[RCEnigma]

My point is more that there isn't anything tying your slots if you flipped town. It's probably more likely that RC is town in that case.

In this case you're biased as it directly involves you but objectively two slots sharing each other, actively seeking a 1v1 and then both parties disengaging without a change in reads is suspicious. Especially since you both acknowledged it could be the other scum game and RC is still scumreading you without willingness to vote there.

[RCEnigma]

Shading*

The recent newbie game is the only one we have played that you didn't scumread me in. We have a newbie together before that and an NK normal. You were IC but still.

[RCEnigma]

It can wait till tomorrow no?

[RCEnigma]

It's not a time sensitive thing and if RC flips tonight it clears more up than BnH explaining his read would.

[RCEnigma]

I feel like I got super baited into being on this wagon but eh.

[RCEnigma]

I think it's more likely she flips town yes.

[RCEnigma]

I'll also say I wanted BnH before CoA but you forced my hand the other way RC

[RCEnigma]

I think it's more likely she flips town yes.

Why?

Because I don't think CoA did anything particularly scummy. RC's case was mostly associatives and meta. Maybe she has a tell that I have no knowledge of. RC was willing to bet on it so we'll see I guess.

[RCEnigma]

ehh wasn't around much today and that's where most of this wagon built. I won't say it was a blitz but if she flips town it was a good opportunity for scum to hop onto the tail end.

[RCEnigma]

Planned how? Do you think a partner lead the wagon or morality is the partner, let everyone else push her lynch and hammered for cred?

[RCEnigma]

Hmm, why BnH before Morality?

[RCEnigma]

ehh feel like RC dies regardless of how CoA flips.

[RCEnigma]

Even if BnH/morality isn't the team.

[RCEnigma]

Shoshin is still pushing you so, meh.

[RCEnigma]

Even if BnH/morality isn't the team.

fuck off with this

i'm dying because they're a team

And NO ONE else would kill you tonight?

[RCEnigma]

If you're town there's a case to be made against morality/BnH whether you die or not.

[RCEnigma]

Not sure where I stand. Consider me Shoshin Jr. At this point, so I'll probably just push Mo tomorrow and re evaluate the rest with the flip.

[RCEnigma]

I think Morality/creature/third is likely.

[RCEnigma]

Baaa

[RCEnigma]

So why can't the team be morality/BnH/creature? Why does it have to be morality/BnH/CoA when you literally just said you don't know how she flips?

[RCEnigma]

Mmk.

[RCEnigma]

Yep. In my defense though I would likely play suboptimal if I remember I'm disloyal or not.

[RCEnigma]

The good news is I think I have a fairly accurate FL tell now. I just have to figure out how to make getting him lynched is possible.

[RCEnigma]

Sure, if it makes you feel any better I'll wager on it. If CoA and BnH both flip scum this game I'll quit the site.

This did not age well lol.

[RCEnigma]

Thanks for the game NK15. Sorry I blew it!

[RCEnigma]

FL scum chats are always good reads. Only time you get the full breadth of his thought process.