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[Vorkuta]

Let's lynch the homies?

Hi again

FL

Boonskies

Morality, RCE and Creature

and if there's another alt I've played with here before

, and hello the rest of you.
For some reason RNG gods only assign

vanilla

townie roles to me until I'm worthy enough

Also I can't tell whether anything said in the last 4 pages was serious or not.

[Vorkuta]

I mean I'd argue that morality's claim got some fun early game discussion going on better than an RVS so it accomplished that at least.
I don't take his claim seriously though.

Also I'd like to be able to press the submit button without 50 new posts being made to this topic.

[Vorkuta]

So literally anyone who posted is in your town block, and everyone who didn't due to IRL reasons is worth looking into.
How seemingly completely arbitrary. I approve wholeheartedly

/s

[Vorkuta]

TIL

I'm going to make my own town block, with blackjack and hookers.

[Vorkuta]

My vetting process is a little less arbitrpary, also I'm skeptical of chaotic neutral types.
FL on the other hand would fit right in though.

[Vorkuta]

When I’m scum, people only scum read for reasons I allow them to

Welcome to D1 of any forum mafia.
Hmm actually I like that.

Can you experienced members tell me how you play town, how you play scum, and why I should be less afraid of you thIs game? Kind of an introduction, if you will?

[Vorkuta]

with no vote thrown down

I mean what can I say- this game doesn't have a traditional RVS so joking around is kind of out of the point.
I'd vote on an existing wagon to generate pressure but I doubt the players of this caliber would even blink at that.

And I'd really like to be able to you know- do something useful this game, so I'm asking all you cool kids to give me literally anything to go on.

[Vorkuta]

have your vote down on somebody day 1/2

Literally only 3 people (boats=you, RC, and shoshin) have their votes cast as of now. Are the other people here not doing their "duty"?
No: they're playing their own game, and hopefully stuff will get done in due time.

Don't be intimidated Vorkuta, they aren't Demi gods.

You mean... they CAN'T predict my every move????

No I'd just like to get the bare minimum insight necessary for every player here to be able to somehow process them- like for example who is this RC fellow that has an entire meme copypasta dedicated to him, how does he play scum, and what do other people here have to say about his townplay?

And Vorkuta’s a strong player

Stop pocketing me REEEEEE

[Vorkuta]

being Light is very fitting

why not the potatochip.gif avatar though?

[Vorkuta]

i wasn't voting them because i thought they were scum

See this is the type of next level madness that I can't even

@Boats- I kind of want to hear what the players have to say for themselves.

FL

Morality gave something with his "chaotic neutral/lawful evil", although I disagree with that. Now I'd like to hear other people self-meta themselves so I can reference it back (you too boats ). Obviously if someone is just BS'ing, then I assume that the rest of the cast will call them out on it.

But fine
VOTE: Vedith
Because as much as I love Saitama, you seem to be WAAAY too preoccupied with what/how other people think of you.

This is the part where people tell me 'nah he's cool' and I'l be like

[Vorkuta]

Oh we're actually doing RVS now?
The description under your name says "Smooth Criminal"- is that a scum role that I haven't heard about?

[Vorkuta]

VOTE: Yellowsnow

[Vorkuta]

I mean RC basically just went out and said 'my town play is so next level that town normally can't keep up'. I'm right behind him here

[Vorkuta]

Right behind me or rc?

when you say I stopped being good as town what you're essentially saying is that people's inability to deal with my slot in a productive way started dragging down towns i was a part of moreso than anything else.

Sorry Yellowsnow- this is what happens when you don't refresh the page every second waiting for the mod to open the thread.

[Vorkuta]

RC trying to blend in.... what???

Like that might be valid if there were 2/3 wagons and you were hopping, but that's kind of not what's going on here

[Vorkuta]

Aura is conf!town.
Creature hasn't even said anything.

Come on snow

[Vorkuta]

Anyway- I looked through Vedith's ISO
@roomy

Spoiler:

But don't assume that my other body saw my role and didn't want to be Scum,

Was scared of getting a vote on me.

I I don't lean scum

How do I change that?

Am I town, RC?

Should I claim?

And all these ping me as someone who is way too insecure and concerned about wanting too look like town: overly image-conscious play is a slight scum tell for me.
Also, funnily enough, this is in direct contrast to RC/Morality who don't give a single damn about even trying to blend in.

Now I'm not naive enough to think we'll catch scum here on D1- we don't know the setup gimmicks/shenangigans, this whole day is kind of a huge mess, and I'm pretty sure that the players here are too good to let that happen.
However I was told that my vote is my voice/weapon so there's that

[Vorkuta]

is a slight scum tell for

me

And some town set themselves on fire and spin around like crazy to see what that happens. Scum tell for others, but not for me.

[Vorkuta]

So I don't think I get my 'every player self-meta's themselves' request. Ah well.

I'm actually kind of dreading Creature popping in, because he does Line-by-Line update

hyper

posts in real time as he catches up.... so that's going to be fun.

I don't get the Boats wagon- the only thing I don't like about him is his lack of an avatar/dp.

i guess vedith is a questionable general townread since most of their play is softing something

Should I claim?

I buy it

Uhh.... who else can I comment on from this game

[Vorkuta]

I'm going to make my own town block, with blackjack and hookers.

aura vorkuta yellowsnow rc shoshin coa boatsnhoes

This but minus snow.
Not a fan of his approach

[Vorkuta]

I'd uh.... like to go back to newbie queue please.... I don't have the big brains necessary to follow along...

So is this meta-acknowledged scum!Creature and we aren't lynching him?

can anyone who is town get over their yellowsnow scumreads please ty

Why do we take this on blind faith?

while all of the power townies are alive

This logic hurts my head

For what it's worth, I'd rather morality in my town, than RC.

I should be MothafuckingconftownBoon at this point.

But MothafuckingscumBoon would say that too....

[Vorkuta]

I mean I completely sympathize with the guy playing the newbie card, except I'm also trying to draw my own conclusions and trying to get people to

spoonfeed me

provide stuff I can work with.

[Vorkuta]

A whole page of creature-posting. What is there not to like?

[Vorkuta]

So will someone explain to me why Creature is scum?
The only thing I can comprehend is that RC did a meta read the instant Creature logged in.

How is he more scum than half the people here? For what its worth, his posts/reads/gameplay so far are exactly as

garbage

they were the last game I played with him where he rolled a town PR.

[Vorkuta]

Thanks morality for putting that into words better than I could.
Creatures posts are garbage and all, but again- just like the last game I had with the guy.

I'm really hesitant to make a case against one single person today, because every time I make a "compelling case" against someone in particular, it ends up being a mislynch, plus this is Day 1. I'm still trying to get insight in your personalities/town/scum play.

Boat (stop pocketing meeeee), Shoshin (scumhunts and asks questions)
Morality (I'm on #teamFL, not #teamCowbells), Creature (give the guy a break maybe?)
RC, RCE (true neutral ), CoA,
DDL(liked his predecessor though- felt genuine), Tarkus(gut), Vedith(maybe when he'll begin to take this game seriously...softing something?), Snow(gut, don't get RC telling us to believe)

I'd actually argue for a policy on RC as it'll make this game less like a powderkeg...., and we can test

correct way to read rc

if you can lynch him he's not scum

plus he hardclaimed VT, so we won't be losing a PR

[Vorkuta]

never getting shot

What does this mean?

[Vorkuta]

I mean- this kind of helps my case.

Yeah I get that RC is a "reaction test" type of player, and that he's frustrated with basic surface level play, and has a ton of experience/meta knowledge...
But he could at least leverage that and actually SHARE some of that insight no?

[Vorkuta]

I mean- why play mafia if I only play with "honest" and "transparent" people.

I'm sorry for killing your motivation, but you have to admit that some of what you're saying can be misleading/frustrating to even veterans.
I'm just saying that this game is probably hard enough WITHOUT your cryptics

[Vorkuta]

No matter how "strong" a player your are
-people have to be willing to trust/follow you
-your reads don't come straight from god

If you can bear with me and EXPLAIN even a tiny bit of what you're trying to pull here, I promise I'll be receptive.
I mean come on- what is this business with keeping creature alive for a few more days while going after bigger fish??

[Vorkuta]

No, I don't want to make that argument yet- I'm really hoping this resolves itself so I don't have to make a hard read on him.
I don't do well on hard reads, even in retrospect.
Like there are players in the game who I'm willing to support/sheep behind, and there's RC who will make me third/fourth-guess everything pertaining to him and what he says. If he goes on and 1v1's someone, I have no idea what I'll do.

Thanks for mediating

[Vorkuta]

That's fair RC, but without some sort of olive branch or explanation, I don't think I'm going to be following you.
To clarify- you did kind of throw down the gauntlet with #590

[Vorkuta]

he should end up understanding why what he did was shitty and learn from it and not do it again.

Understood and acknowledged

[Vorkuta]

Is there any way we can have this sometime in the future and focus on our current scum/anti-town reads?
For what it's worth, I'd tentatively say that this is TvT and don't want to lynch either of you today. (Yes- RC)

[Vorkuta]

Ok- I have something.
Damn near everyone here has a townblock of ~5/6 people, and scum read around 3~5.

Why can't we have them restated in a nice/obvious format and go after the lowest hanging fruit?
I doubt scum would have ALL 3 PLAYERS in their "town block" so there's that to go on as well.

[Vorkuta]

Why is this TvT?

Well the fury with which they are raging implies that this isn't scum theater.
I like Morality, and I feel bad for trying to policy RC...

Aaaaand.... that's all I got

In any case I don't think we'll hit a majority on either player, so can we stop for now?
Can we save the best for last?

I mean RC has already given us his "townblock that is not wrong"- let's see him 180 out of that in the future if/when proven wrong.
There's a similar case for morality as well

[Vorkuta]

But I don't genuinely think neither of you are scum...

I'd like to think that this will resolve itself in the future.

[Vorkuta]

I also respond pretty badly to open provocation and ultimatums like that.
Look- I don't think either of you is getting a majority today. Do you absolutely NEED to have this contest RIGHT THIS MOMENT?

[Vorkuta]

We are lynching Morality today because he's scum

I should be MothafuckingconftownBoon at this point.

And Vorkuta is looking like Morality's partner

-I'd like to think that scum!morality would coach scum!vorkuta
-I'm telling BOTH of you to back off; RC is just the one engaging me more

Your reads on either of us mean jack shit

I get that. However this game DOES have PR's right? One of you could be cleared or killed (as you both claim) in the next few days.

[Vorkuta]

Goddamit let me hit the submit button without 50 more new messages.

How does scum!morality prevent an investigative confirmed scum!*insert morality teammate* lynch here?????

[Vorkuta]

Boat, Creature, CoA
RCE, Shoshin

Morality & RC (No)

DDL, Tarkus, Vedith, Snow

Same as last time, but the meta explanation of CoA moved her up in my list.
Shoshin has moved down a bit for "fueling the RC/Morality flame"- I can picture both scum!Shoshin + Scum RC, scum!Shoshin + Scum Morality (hey shoshin support RC written in scumchat), but I'd like to think that both cases are unlikely.
I'm also unsure of the DDL read because I can totally see why he gets scum read in most games.

[Vorkuta]

Here's my two cents (to both of you): please cool it.

-Stop 1v1ing. You don't have to (and won't) convince each other that you're right, you have to convince 6 of the remaining 11 players in the game.
-Ffs we have no information about the setup: there could be ONE PLAYER with the "right" role (SK/vig/whathaveyou), who is pissed at either of you for the right/wrong reasons and there we go.
-Ultimately my reads/perspective mean jack shit in this exchange, so I won't even try, however
-I will

and probably fail

try to do anything possible to make sure NEITHER of you completely dominate/overwhelm the town. So can you please let the other players... you know.. BREATHE in here?

Is there any way at all that we can compromise and find someone to lynch that you both agree on?
Like if a morality approved^TM lynch goes sideways, RC will have a fun time and vice versa.



Oh and also nothing stopping me from hitting submit this time. Cool.

[Vorkuta]

The rest of you aren't relevant right now.

-state of the game right now
-feelsbadman.jpg

[Vorkuta]

That's like the most guided/leading question imaginable, and it's also unrelated to my point.

"No I am convinced 1000$% that morality is good and honest this game"/s

My message is not that one or the other is good/pure, while the other is complete scum.
It's that they should both tone it down and see what happens in the next few days.

[Vorkuta]

Leading questions are by nature yes/no questions.

i.e- "When did you stop beating your wife?"- a textbook example of a yes/no leading question....
But whatever- let's get back to the game at hand

-As you can see in my reads list, I do not explicitly town/scum read Morality or RC. I don't think I'm going to be able to do so, and I'm hoping they resolve eventually.
-If you're referring to the anime-ego-battle between them, this can go either way. From what I understand, both players are more than capable of pulling such a performance with AtEs, manufacturing rage/drame, 'vote fluidity', regardless of their actual alignment, and I doubt I'll be able to sift through what's horseshit and what's genuine. Based on this ego battle alone, I can't conclude TvS/SvS/TvT, however my gut says TvT, as any other result will mean that this game is far too complicated and I'd like to believe that

the universe

RNG is fair.
-I like

Morality

, and I've played my first 2 games with him. I understand that this is objectively a trash argument (RNG doesn't care), but he has succeeded in "pocketing" me and making me feel that he is town slightly better than RC's "abrasive" nature and personality. Of course I will try and filter most of what Morality and take that into consideration but still.

Now for something more of substance.
-RC says/does stuff that requires a ridiculous leaps of faith for me to follow, from his town/scum reads, to who he wants wagoned on which day.
-Morality leaves a track record of his

verbal diarrhea

thoughts and I can at least FOLLOW his train of thought based on the crumbs

(no)

that he leaves behind. Yes it can be faked/his premises can be hallucinated up, but I'd like to think that I can WORK with this method as opposed to RC's

Now again and to reiterate- I am not going to claim that either/both are town/scum. I'm just saying that my PERSONAL PREFERENCE leans slightly towards Morality, and if push REALLY comes to shove (in absence of any further evidence/info blah blah blah) I'd be slightly more inclined to support him over RC, but it's not like I have unwavering and undying devotion to him, which is what I feel you're (shoshin) trying to get at.

I am trying to AVOID push coming to shove, and the dominance of both players. Shit's probably not going to happen, but I can at least try.

[Vorkuta]

I don't like/don't agree with the dichotomy (one or the other) and absolutes (if you're town, you MUST vote...) that I'm being presented with, and I'm trying to circumvent that.

[Vorkuta]

Low tier play: let's lynch "random person here"
Mid tier play: based on x, y, z, let's lynch "random person here"
High tier play: *insert meta, setup, subtle cues, psychological analysis, etc. here*
God tier play: let's lynch "random person here"

[Vorkuta]

Look RC- I have no delusions about my abilities, nor about what I can and cannot accomplish this game.
However I can play to my win condition. I believe that you two will counterbalance each other and prevent the other from doing something rash.
Obviously if one flips green, the other is going to have a really fun time.

is a lot less of a mistake

I'd like to delay making said mistakes until later, especially as there's a slight probability that this may resolve itself.
I'd also like to remind all of you that there are in fact, more than 4~5 players in this game.

That's a really terrible way to differentiate the tiers

I'm trying to point out that your argument

You understand that Morality's effort to leave a track record is more scum indicative than not, right? As scum I make an effort to leave a paper trail.

Is slightly lost on me. I (and my very naive and inexperienced newb brain leads me to) think a "paper trail" is more of a play style characteristic rather than an alignment feature. However, I PREFER/LIKE this playstyle and can get behind someone a bit more than the alternative. Like again- Creature's posts are objectively trash, but at least I can see the gears in his head spinning as a final product is produced.

[Vorkuta]

I am saying that your effort to show your thought processes in thread is more scum than town-indicative.

That's an RC^TM meta statement that I'm just going to have to take on blind faith, even though it clashes with my personal understandings/opinions.
I don't know if I'm willing to make that jump.

[Vorkuta]

I disagree with some points.
-This is Day 1. I doubt decent scum players are going to hand over freebies. And seeing as potentially everyone here can look quite the town
-There are playstyles that have counter play, and there are playstyles that don't (active lurking, random/emotional gut reads, reaction-testing).
Part of the game is to balance scum reads with town liabilities- after all logic is logic regardless of who spouts it.

Now for your request.
-Do I get several days as a buffer for an investigative/kill/exmachina?
-Are you SURE that your ego-battle with him is not interfering with your "town" win-condition?
-Do you think RNG gave HIM of all people in this game the scum role?
-What if Morality makes exactly the same request of me? Hell what if everyone here points fingers and picks fights with people which results in 50 such pairings/ultimatums?

[Vorkuta]

@RC
Tell you what after your "green" flip- I will absolutely and unquestioningly hammer him if the time comes.
But the wagon has to come from the other players.

@Shoshin
-In the future, it'll be more difficult for him to stay consistent with his paper trail (unless he has a plan for D5 already)
-I've been in games with 2 town reaction test players (from what I explicitly remember) who've done exactly the same thing and I've mislynched one of them.

I've just stated that I don't like reaction-testy playstyles as they can retroactively shield themselves from all criticism
>Votes *random person here*
>Town outrage and uproar
>"Reaction test, just chill out"
Plus it provokes rage/hostility.

Here's the issue- If other players were online & Morality was more engaged, they'd be convincing me of exactly the same shit about RC.
They'd find something/somewhere, something tonal, something playstyle oriented, something meta, whathaveyou.
You have an agenda. You think it's to your wincondition. You're pushing it. I understand and respect it, but I don't know if I want to be corralled into it as well.

[Vorkuta]

Morality/RC is probably 0 scum, hopefully not 1 scum, and I sure as hell hope not 2 scum.
Let's assume neither of you are godbeings that can coach your scum teammates so perfectly that they'll never slip up.

Everyone has a scum pool of at least 3 players by now. Let's look at that.

[Vorkuta]

On some level, you do understand that Morality is not a player that you would correctly scumread, right?

Again- I have no delusions about my ability to play this game.

What's your plan for winning this game, Vorkuta? How do you intend to find scum on D1? What're you looking for?

-Plan....? As in "follow RC as he lynches teh scums/leads town off a cliff"? Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the face

Michael Scott

-I don't think we find scum on D1. Simple as that. We lynch the least common denominator, or the most anti-town player and see what the night PR's do/give us.
This isn't an open setup with X VT's and Y Goons with no powers, so let's see what happens. They've won games for me in the past, and if it ain't broken...

-As I've said waaay early on, I'm trying to get a read on your personalities and what's within/outside the realm of possibilities and everyone's scum range.
Later on when people begin claiming, when people will begin to point fingers, and when/if people begin to scum read me, I need to understand the true extent of the damage that scum!players are capable of doing and try and minimize that.
-I like shit like this.

again

my townpool in this game is not wrong and i'll kill you if you try to go after it

this is the end of this discussion

It's a commitment that forces extreme leaps in logic and backtracking that will result in slipups from scum players.
I think Morality has similar ones as well (but less explicit).

[Vorkuta]

If you're town RC.

D1 we're trying to establish precedents/relationships, see the interaction between players, hear out some meta arguments, and get the lynch that provides the most information. Like there's a really strong Shoshin/RC bond, and there's a real nice Morality/Vedith bond as well this game. Creature is in Team Morality, Boats is closer to team RC, and so on. Factionalism.

[Vorkuta]

"You win the game by getting more points than the other guys".

Maybe in a dozen or so games I'll get closer to understanding that. But right now, it's my *trigger warning* """"opinion"""" that scum has to be bad on D1 to get lynched.

[Vorkuta]

Again

Maybe in a dozen or so games I'll get closer to understanding that

Like in my eyes some players just have a habit of ending up as the least common denominator and end up being lynchbait. It doesn't have to be guided/manipulated by anyone at all.

[Vorkuta]

Sorry- only IRL mafia for me before.

[Vorkuta]

I uhh... don't know if that's shade thrown at MU or whatnot so someone's going to have to spoonfeed me on that

But like my reads: with the exception of Morality/Snow, my scumpool is quite similar to RC's. Now that I truly think about it, I actually can't pinpoint how much of that I deduced by myself through glorious independent thought, and what how much of that is due to someone like RC's influence.

[Vorkuta]

Morality took a personal day off, and RC backed away. Now we're trying to find scum outside of that.

[Vorkuta]

But is it worth pressuring "Morality"? /s

Look Shoshin- a morality green flip would really really strongly imply that both you and RC are scumbuddies. I don't think that's the case now, but opening Pandora's box would make it difficult for me (and perhaps others) to think otherwise, which would make the game really difficult.
Are you really willing to risk that?

[Vorkuta]

Like purely hypothetically, please join me on this thought experiment.
Morality gets 6 votes, someone hammers, the mod goes "stand by for role reveal..... Morality has been lynched, he was an..... *insert town here*"
Day 2 begins, and shoshin and RC are alive.

What do I do? What does anyone else do? Hopefully we have a strong PR or two that did something cool, but aside form that:
Do you two just shrug, shake it off, and go after your next "scum read" without any consequences?
How would this play out?

[Vorkuta]

Seeing as the only reason CoA is a town read of mine is due to the meta argument.... now that this meta argument has flipped I'd be fine with voting her.
I'll do it after an updated VC

[Vorkuta]

Unofficial non mod VC to confirm lynch (generated by ctrl+f'ind ISO's)

not impersonating anyone or anything, just confused whether another vote is necessary

CoA: YellowSnow(#1869), RCEnigma(#1730), Aurathebirb(#1885), Boats (#2001), Creature(#1757), Morality(#2013), Tarkus(#1852)
Tarkus: Vedith (#1655)

replaced out so probably doesn't count

, DDL (#1507),
Morality: Shoshin(#1895), RC(#1989)
YellowSnow: Vorkuta(#175)

Not Voting: CoA(#1534)

I'm very concerned that it was Morality who hammered...
Also why didn't CoA say literally anything in the ~300 posts she had a wagon on her?

[Vorkuta]

So I blinked and now we're in day 3 with 2 replacements....

Anyway- can I get a recap of who was in the neighborhood?
I can't find find the post

or it was deleted

[Vorkuta]

I only roll town so I don't have a scum game

Thanks for the neighborhood info- now next question: was it actually used/did any productive discussion take place in there or...?
Also is it worth asking about PRs and any night actions right now?

[Vorkuta]

Welcome?

[Vorkuta]

-btw why was I scum read in D2 as a result of CoA's ISO?... like... I couldn't keep up with the next level logic coming from RC

-the wiki says that the "mod" basically gives extra information about something to the player, but it's redacted upon flip.
So the only way we'll find out what the extra "informed" information was is... postgame?

[Vorkuta]

>everyone town reads me
"ok it's fine"
>CoA townreads me
"we caught teh scum partners!!11!1!1"

Unfortunately I visited D2 a bit too late to comment/defend myself and now that's kind of moot with RC replacing out, but I'm still curious.
Boats's explanation of "scum!RC expanding the lynchpool" really hits home with me though.

[Vorkuta]

So is everyone that CoA wanted to push automatically cleared now?

[Vorkuta]

No

Yes

No

This is probably an OMGUS vote coming from the fact that I've done nothing but vote him for all of D1.

[Vorkuta]

I blink again and this happens

So does anyone else have role stuff/night actions that someone would like to share with us?

[Vorkuta]

I don't see how smart gets away with such a gambit this early in the game though, Morality.
One day later? Yes- but now?

You're going to have to spoonfeed me otherwise...

[Vorkuta]

I’ve been crumbing I was informed for a while

Too much text to read through and pick up on those crumbs.
What happened to being an

ascetic

miller?

[Vorkuta]

And why can you spoonfeed me why creature WOULD ABSOLUTELY investigate you over RC?

[Vorkuta]

Yeah I read that exchange.
That doesn't account for

-What if creature had another gut read he wanted verification on?
-What if he was lazy/didn't catchup/ignored this?
-Why would he cop you if he was "only lynching you" today?
-He could still target you even if you are ascetic.
And the kicker

He Voted you. #2361 After he "100!% investigated you" with his N1 cop.

[Vorkuta]

I don't want to be mislynched either

So based on S_Smart's accusation, either one of you is definitely scum, however you both make convincing arguments for why neither of you can't be the lynch today.
(smart because PR, and morality because informed 4 scum)
So... these 2 are out of the lynchpool or..?

[Vorkuta]

#735
By that reasoning, the argument can be made that he caught that and wouldn't waste the investigative on you.

Or are you telling me that creature
-Town Reads you
-Acknowledges that you are either ascetic or miller
-ASSUMES that you're lying on both counts
-And then proceeds to investigate you anyway

As opposed to him targeting literally anybody else?

[Vorkuta]

Here's where I stand with people

-Boats: very nice, I like.
HOWEVER this is a complete 360+moonwalk from the last game I played with

mbaki

, both personality and moveswise.
-

Shoshin

SSmart. It's hilarious that the 2 are targetting morality with such vengeance.

-

Vedith

Anka
Vedith felt like he was softclaiming, and Anka is scumhunting

-Morality/

RC

Dunn
Just no. I said I won't sort them, so they stay here.

-Tarkus (he's been lurking so much idk what to say), Snow (the OMGUS tunneling is real, bad, and unjustified)

[Vorkuta]

As for the neighborhood, my last game had 2 all town neighborhoods (and a masonry).
I made the mistake of thinking that neighborhoods were almost completely useless, but the design person said that it was quite a bit of town power so I'm torn.

Why wasn't it announced earlier?

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Considering the 1v1 ridiculousness that Morality/RC had... erm...

Why don't we like Boats's plan?

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RC hardclaimed VT- do we still stand by that?

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i'm also willing to hardclaim VT

Anyway- the mod said that at least one person got a VT role pm so...

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Nothing from me

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Sorry was busy with IRL stuff unfortunately and couldn't check in as often.

So seeing as RC was claiming that Snow was 1000!% town from day 1, and now Dunn is saying the same thing, can I assume that you guys are informed in some way?

Even though RC claimed VT

Why is Tarkus off most people's lynchlists btw?

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Morality- your reads contradict themselves every 5 minutes, and I can prove that I'm town later on.
You probably alluded to it earlier.

Why are we completely ignoring/forgetting Tarkus?

I'd rather Ank > Dun. (fully aware that these are counter wagons against me)

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Dunnn- why are you changing your vote every other post?
This 'vote fluidity' thing I've been reading about doesn't favor you.

Also can you get back to me as to why your slot is 1000% sure snow is town?

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VOTE: Tarkus

This is the vote I can get behind today.

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VOTE: Tarkus

This is the vote I can get behind today.

Why did this post not contain a hammer?

Because at the time there were a few more hours left and I think people were online?
Also because 'RC's slot told me to

VOTE: Morality

if he flipped so...
kind of didn't want to do that...

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UNVOTE:

Told you I'd be able to conf!town myself

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Why were both RC and dunn so sure that snow was town rhough?

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In the interest of full disclosure, I have a modifier to my role as well.
I don't know how to properly explain it without angering our trigger happy mod.

However- I am also informed, and from what I understand, a roleblocker/JK can't stop me from killing SCUM

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No, I am N3+ informed.

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Tarkus lynch I'm ok with- I've been trying to remind people that he's in this game for some time now.

I like Boats though

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Spicy

Why did you ask about the wincon?
Like what else could it be?

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Hi STK- I still feel bad about last game so 'I might shoot you.

In the meanwhile
VOTE: Tarkus

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The pressure is real...

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So with the tarkus hammer is it gg or do I still shoot people?

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Wow I'm really bad...

But it was fun and confusing!

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The reviewers were mastina

Not again.... Not like this..... 2nd game in a row....

Jk- it was "thought provoking" to say the least!

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Is there a chance we'll see the scum chat this game?