Mini 2059: Secrets of the Anuket Topaz [Over]

[Ankamius]

Hi reck!

[Ankamius]

Hi reck!

Hello ankamius. Would you care for some ice cream in exchange for a vote?

im good thanks

[Ankamius]

no I swore an oath to feed on the innocent

oh wait

[Ankamius]

im questioning myself now thanks

[Ankamius]

I'm thinking I'm going to replace in one of my alts for this game

I'm going to get a headache here otherwise

[Ankamius]

boop

tbh I might not until I have a reason to

[Ankamius]

do you have a read on chara?

no

[Ankamius]

ok that's what i was trying to find out; i asked at some point whether or not you use meta to form reads but i guess you missed that

and idk i guess what i'm getting at is that on my end i kinda think that this game is different enough from that one that i'm not sure why you think that early push on enter comes from scum!me given that you've seen how scum!me plays.

oh and another question: how easy/hard do you think i am to mislynch?

impossible for me as scum and depends if I'm town

I barely read gerrymandering and definitely didn't pay much of any attention to what anybody was doing, especially my own scum partners.

that game I was trying not to be too scummy to be the next lynch and shit posting, that's it

[Ankamius]

boop

tbh I might not until I have a reason to

You're not the first person I've seen with this mindset

But I don't understand it at all.

Might as well try to hit a baseball blindfolded

that's ok, I have better aim and timing when I can't see the ball or can focus my eyes specifically to where I already know the path will be

[Ankamius]

Ok legitimately

I need to sleep

I'll be back tomorrow

[Ankamius]

if I actually do get lynched for playstyle, I'm going to lol pretty hard

[Ankamius]

VOTE: Nimueh

[Ankamius]

Ok so for real

I don't like the homogenized gamestate we are in right now

Either scum are pocketed to hell and back or there's enough mislynches at the bottom of the chain to hide them until they can break the townblock that's been forming apart

In a vacuum I'd expect at least one scum in the active posters atm and currently I think it's most likely to be urap2 via toneread

Chara could be scum this game but I also incorrectly scumread it last time we played in the same game so I don't trust that read as much

NMSA is probably town if I had to guess

[Ankamius]

Reck is probably town and I feel like scum-reck would be pretty simple to catch with this type of gamestate so I'm not too worried about just phasing him off into a town pile for most of the game

[Ankamius]

By "pretty simple to catch, " I specifically mean after his buddies are dead.

[Ankamius]

VOTE: tictac

[Ankamius]

Because I'm not interested in pushing you right now

It doesn't get me anything

[Ankamius]

No, I'm not interested in pushing within the active player block that formed this game because it's pretty much pointless, even if I do lock you as scum, it doesn't help me read the rest of the game.

It's a lot more productive to work from the other end and read the active player block indirectly and work out who is the most likely scum from who I believe the rest of the team is

But keep sniping at me please, it's fun :3

[Ankamius]

Interesting question from somebody who was sniping at me for not giving reads earlier

[Ankamius]

VOTE: u r a person 2

[Ankamius]

You're not really giving reads. You're just shading me and inexplicably calling nmsa town. What reasons do you have?

VOTE: nmsa

I'm ready to do this tbh. got a decent town bloc and caught scum

This is not a town response

Let's gooooooo

[Ankamius]

I'll find your buddies tomorrow dw

[Ankamius]

Better NK me!!!

[Ankamius]

Urap2 keep denying your guilt

[Ankamius]

Your responses aren't town trying to get me to engage into the game and get reads, your responses are deflecting my read on you even after I explain why I didn't want to push you initially

Lynch this please

[Ankamius]

What is your excuse for that not being a reason?

[Ankamius]

So?

Toneread = overall tone

I just also happened to find your response to my scumread really scummy

[Ankamius]

I'm well within both my town range and my scum range btw

[Ankamius]

Why not

[Ankamius]

Awwwww I'm getting warm fuzzies at being bop scumread

[Ankamius]

I like the vote switching yesterday, I think. Reads kinda like flailing not knowing who to vote which shouldn't be happening as scum. I like temporarily sleeping reck. I think? I like pushing urap2 just in the fact that it's controversial and too scummy to be scum in a way.

The flailing is more often coming from town me than scum me

Pushing controversial reads/stances is more likely to come from scum me than town me Unless I have an already established basis for it, in which case it's more likely to come from town me.

[Ankamius]

*UNLESS

[Ankamius]

Actually the flailing is null, nvm

[Ankamius]

PEdit: you have BoP

That's what I assumed this was

Am I wrong?

[Ankamius]

I posted that because I felt like it tbh

that's really it

[Ankamius]

I'm not actually taking this day very seriously because I don't think most of it matters

[Ankamius]

VOTE: Lady Angel

I'm convinced

choo choo!

[Ankamius]

NMSA looks town enough to me

can we lynch somebody not them

thanks

[Ankamius]

VOTE: NMSA

ooooooooooooooooooo

SPICY HAMMER VOTES

[Ankamius]

good lynch.

how do you feel about the upcoming townflip?

[Ankamius]

reck how do you feel about urap2 now

[Ankamius]

because

good lynch.

is one of the scummiest things I've seen in the last year

[Ankamius]

you bet your ass I'm posturing

because I'm going to make damn sure urap2 is lynched tomorrow

[Ankamius]

Brigitte is looking like scum #2

[Ankamius]

tris and reck are virtually locktown

[Ankamius]

don't tell me you actually fell for it reck lol

[Ankamius]

VOTE: u r a person 2

[Ankamius]

Unless I have an already established basis for it

nice discredit brigitte

[Ankamius]

btw I have a basis for these scumreads (:

vote urap2

[Ankamius]

easy

urap2's reaction to the hammer was a very fake response
and your reaction was to completely ignore it <--- scum-indicative in my experience

[Ankamius]

Why am I town?

did you fake hammer on purpose

[Ankamius]

Why am I town?

did you fake hammer on purpose

Yeah, do you think I wouldn't have as scum?
UNVOTE:

very unlikely

[Ankamius]

easy

urap2's reaction to the hammer was a very fake response
and your reaction was to completely ignore it <--- scum-indicative in my experience

Here's a post I made directly after a hammer vote --- as town

good vote

your posts right after that look a lot more town than what you did in this game

[Ankamius]

Oh, do you still scum read skitter?

I'm pushing that off into the distance to revisit later

probably when I can fit her into a solve

[Ankamius]

why would I rethink something completely separate

that makes no sense

[Ankamius]

none of your interactions with me are town

I've done my due diligence

[Ankamius]

We're lynching NMSA today. That's what's happening. He's scum and this push off of him is awful

no

[Ankamius]

because for how certain you are that the slot is scum, you're playing like you already think he's going to flip town?

[Ankamius]

VOTE: NMSA I haven't changed my mind here.

Why do you think he's town, Ankamius?

looks like standard newbtown to me

plus my two scumreads are up his ass so

[Ankamius]

I lied?

when did I lie?

[Ankamius]

If you're town, your play today is not good. I'm out for a bit, this is raising my blood pressure through the roof.

NMSA is the lynch today. I'm sure you'll be able to push my mislynch if I'm wrong. Like holy shit there is no way that I'm not the lynch tomorrow if NMSA is town. Do you think scum!me is trading one-for-one with town!NMSA? That's fucking absurd.

that wasn't the case without me pushing you

lol

[Ankamius]

VOTE: Nimueh

[Ankamius]

yeah the NMSA case is pretty bad

[Ankamius]

I don't think tris specifically gambits a fake hammer and then plays like she did

it's an awkward progression

[Ankamius]

wait lemme do my tris impression
"im gonna try to hammer someone THEN worry about forming actual reads"

this is actually very easily answered by her using the fake hammer specifically to try to get those reads

and not actually getting as many as she wanted from it

[Ankamius]

I don't think tris specifically gambits a fake hammer and then plays like she did

it's an awkward progression

awkward progression as scum*

[Ankamius]

it was actually pretty safe since iirc everybody is

a. already on the wagon
b. stated to not be interested in the wagon
c. a lurker

[Ankamius]

I don't think tris specifically gambits a fake hammer and then plays like she did

it's an awkward progression

Unless she did it for towncred cuz she knows NMSA flips scum

that makes no sense

[Ankamius]

unless you think tris would leave an rvs vote for as long as she did without specifically doing anything related to that push?

there's like zero towncred to get from the NMSA lynch for her and the fake hammer is more of a towncred multiplier than a flat towncred boost

[Ankamius]

unless you think tris would leave an rvs vote for as long as she did without specifically doing anything related to that push?

there's like zero towncred to get from the NMSA lynch for her and the fake hammer is more of a towncred multiplier than a flat towncred boost

actually to add to this

if the goal was to get as much towncred as possible

why wouldn't she be aggressive after the fake hammer

[Ankamius]

As much as both of his main pushes skeeve me out reck looks better after his reads list than before. The fake anger thing I pointed out stemmed from the fact that I really didn't see anything that looked like provocation from me or Enter to actually irritate him in any reasonable way. It made his posting seem like he was more playing to a character than being genuinely crass. That was why I decided to unvote for him when the wagon was forming. I wanted as few irritants to reck at the time to see what he would and wouldn't get pissy about. That ended up being moot by the LAL push anyway.

As previously mentioned, I'm liking urap for scum. His pushes off the nmsa wagon were basically just a few new votes and wagon solicitations. And when nothing happened, they just tried the same thing with a new head. It's not really a productive way to try and form reads and doesn't come off as actually trying to solve the game.

Ank is looking pretty scummy too.

so your two scumreads

are me
and my top scumread

nice

[Ankamius]

i really dont get a vibe from any of tris's posting that she was aware of thatif she had read closely enough to know exactly where everyone else stood on the issue... if she read that much to know it was safe... then she wouldn't be having to double back to form reads after the fact, because she would already have them

but only about half the game was currently active at the time that she did the fake hammer

NMSA has been a big enough focus throughout the day that it's not too difficult to be able to pick up on who's for and against that wagon regardless of anything else

[Ankamius]

unless you think tris would leave an rvs vote for as long as she did without specifically doing anything related to that push?

there's like zero towncred to get from the NMSA lynch for her and the fake hammer is more of a towncred multiplier than a flat towncred boost

Ank doesn't give town cred for gambitting fake hammers for reads on the lynchee. Got it.


Reck looks more like town, ank looks more like scum. That's what that means

???????????????????????????

[Ankamius]

i really feel like you're going out on a limb to call tris town for that, ank. i dont see it

it makes sense as a town progression a lot more than a scum one imo

[Ankamius]

why would I need to distance this hard

the scumreads I had on me at that time are trivial to get rid of and urap2 was in a decent spot

why would I go this far to distance of all things instead of just doing what people asked me to and just made up reads

[Ankamius]

I'm doing 6d checkers reck

disagreeing with me enough will locktown you for sure

[Ankamius]

idk enter

how exactly does that mean I don't know what bussing or distancing is

[Ankamius]

I'm not townreading the fake hammer

[Ankamius]

I'm gonna be honest I'm mad at you ank it's prolly just cuz you're disagreeing with me and I really wanna read you as scum right now but my brain says your play makes sense as town. Please let's just flip NMSA. I haven't got scum d1 in so long.

that's because I'm out of my scumrange now lol

[Ankamius]

oh wait it's nightless

then this lynch doesn't matter LOL

[Ankamius]

I don't like scum lynches d1

town tends to lose them from my experience

[Ankamius]

I think NMSA is mislynch-bait town

[Ankamius]

resistance to a scum wagon is not indicative of the wagonee being scum

[Ankamius]

two games is not enough for a meta read

unless it's blatantly obvious what the personality behind those two games mean that indicate town or scum

even then, it takes a lot more than 2 to be able to meta somebody and call it a good case

[Ankamius]

it's another fake hammer

[Ankamius]

scandalous

[Ankamius]

does this mean it's time to lynch me for playstyle reasons?

[Ankamius]

I'm townreading your actions around the fake hammer and what I can deduce about your mindset from it

[Ankamius]

wahahahahahahahahahahahaha

this game is funny

[Ankamius]

tempting

[Ankamius]

but I'll wait for everyone else to check in (:

[Ankamius]

am I caught enough to make it worth spending the rest of the game trolling with random shit for 20 pages on end

uhhhhh just asking

for reasons

[Ankamius]

ok I can still pretend to try then

thank you!

[Ankamius]

my personality read of you at the time was that you paid attention to that sort of thing and I was specifically testing you to see if that held true

it didn't

[Ankamius]

I like a challenge skitter

[Ankamius]

I wasn't talking to tris with that, skitter

I think I was talking to Urap2?

[Ankamius]

836

I honestly can't remember a whole lot about it

I was testing you to see if I found part of your thought processes I could exploit

And I put it in the scum PT to help me bravado through the game since I have a tendency to panic in my scumgames

[Ankamius]

show me urap2

[Ankamius]

I was confused why I should've specifically noted you were playing differently

I even said I barely was paying attention to how my scum partners were playing

[Ankamius]

VOTE: ank[/v]

I'm willing to wait a bit for lurkers to get replaced, though, otherwise I'm down with LaL. I think both of them have probably been prodded and they're both well past the replace time.

the fuck did I lie about

[Ankamius]

Ok what did I do then

[Ankamius]

tbh I agree with that

I don't have enough influence for it to be specifically to snow me and I don't think anyone else is firing at him like I am

[Ankamius]

VOTE: Brigitte

[Ankamius]

Is that a good thing or a bad thing

[Ankamius]

not really chara, no

[Ankamius]

out of everybody who has stated any kind of suspicion on me, skitter's was the least scummy

urap2 and Brigitte had the scummy scumreads

[Ankamius]

pedit: hm, okay. @Ank: are you concerned like skitter is that your reads aren't syncing?

not really no

[Ankamius]

i mean if he's scum here i have no idea what he thinks he's doing rn or like what hte point of his nmsa push was in the first place

let's wagon ank instead

i'd love to, but why's she acting like this? i know posturing is a thing, but she's aggressively doing her own thing here and i don't know if that would get scum her anywhere.
that's just a guess and i don't exactly like her posts either, though.

because I've been playing to an agenda this entire time

[Ankamius]

i mean if he's scum here i have no idea what he thinks he's doing rn or like what hte point of his nmsa push was in the first place

let's wagon ank instead

i'd love to, but why's she acting like this? i know posturing is a thing, but she's aggressively doing her own thing here and i don't know if that would get scum her anywhere.
that's just a guess and i don't exactly like her posts either, though.

idk what scum!her is doing here but her posts just feel kinda wrong in a general sense and i'm having a hard time seeing them as coming from a town thought process

(and since she's said scum!her tends to push controversial/unpopular things i'm not sure why this should be a reason to not scumread her)

since I'm nice

would you like a past scumgame where I played like this

[Ankamius]

that's because Brigitte is scum lol

[Ankamius]

urap2 and I are like... synced now

that's scary

[Ankamius]

or maybe I was right and you just needed a reframe to see it

[Ankamius]

oh ic

[Ankamius]

should I just out what my agenda was or should I wait to see what elbirn has to say about it

[Ankamius]

or just not out it at all

because it's funnier

[Ankamius]

call it a town-motivated approach I guess

[Ankamius]

the way you handled it afterwards

[Ankamius]

??????????????????

[Ankamius]

you are the new most scandalous person

[Ankamius]

wheres my brigitte wagon at

[Ankamius]

if she is scum i think her strategy here is pretty high level. and i think understanding her better would lead to a better read so i might leave it at that for now.

This kind of thing is a huge town tell btw

[Ankamius]

I'm being consistent (:

I play by the seat of my pants as scum even if I plan everything behind the scenes

I play entirely to a plan as town and try to hide it

So really it's not all that big a difference, but if you can tell that there's a consistent agenda behind my posting, then that's almost certainly a town game from me

[Ankamius]

I can fake a lot of my town traits, but only a small amount at a time.

I'd probably be an exceptional scum player if I could reliably play my town game as scum.

[Ankamius]

My agenda is actually a lot different than getting you to townread me

[Ankamius]

That's fine

I don't actually think you're very likely to be town either way.

[Ankamius]

I've been spending the entire last 20 pages or so specifically trying to push against the NMSA wagon (who I believe is town) and to pull the wagon over to myself to see what responses people would have and how exactly they would handle the gamestate shift.

Skitter's is sensical and very unlikely to be a scum response, it's pretty blatant she can tell somethings weird about how I'm approaching this but she's also specifically not trying to push it into the ground. I don't think she has any particular awareness that I'm almost impossible to lynch as town.

Urap2 had a pretty bad response, but I've mostly changed my mind on it. Scum have no real reason to reshape their reads towards mine or even to switch off his current trajectory. If he was scum with NMSA, they either would have committed to the bus since Urap2 had a lot of potential towncred to get from it, or the backing off would have happened much earlier when there was this much resistance to it. It's just a lot easier to see from a town rethinking how they're approaching the game mindset.

Reckoner only makes sense as scum to me if NMSA is town. His hop onto the wagon was never going to give towncred with a bus, his extreme aggression towards reshifting the wagon doesn't make sense from a scum partner based on how much resistance there is from reshifting reads away from that slot being the top scumread. I think reck is a good enough player to have a good reason to play like he is as scum, and I also think that it's the type of planning that would be a lot easier for me to detect later in the game with flip info. I'm not really interested in sorting him definitively for this reason.

NMSA just feels like newbtown for me. Flailing is NAI from newer players and that's really the only scummy thing I could attribute to his play this game. Nothing anybody else has convinced me.

Brigitte has a really awkward scumread on me that I can't find a thought process supporting at all. Her reaction to the 'lynch' was posturey as hell as the only person who seemed to be ignoring it entirely (which is a scum trait for players that are probably less confident in faking reactions to events going on in the game). A lot of what I've seen from her towards this stage looks like scum that can't quite adapt to what's being thrown her way well enough to be realistic from a town mindset.

Did I miss anybody obvious?

[Ankamius]

I'm like 90% certain that Brigitte is scum

Chara is my guess for scum #2 and my current guess is that one of the absent slots is scum #3, but I need more time to be able to cement either of those slots.

[Ankamius]

FTR

Recks read of me makes a lot of sense, I just also believe he's the most likely player here to be able to fool me with that.

[Ankamius]

Tris is probably town, nothing about my read on her was a lie.

Call it a gut read.

[Ankamius]

Tbf I wasn't actually townreading either of them at that point for what I said they were, I was waiting to see if their play would shift to account for that read since my plan at that point was to not become a potential NK.

I don't think there's much worry there since I haven't seen anything that would indicate they are scum, or at the very least that a gambit like that would affect the NKs.

[Ankamius]

I believe those slots will be much more readable later.

I would rather have enough reason to believe there's scum there before lynching within that group.

[Ankamius]

Fuck it

VOTE: tictac

This is a complete waste of time but I don't care enough to fight it

[Ankamius]

VOTE: Flubbernugget

[Ankamius]

Here's scum #3, folks

We did it

[Ankamius]

I'm def mad

I'm shaking in my boots in outrage

[Ankamius]

like, does scum Flubber decide to vote u2 here if it's not a partner chainsaw?
i don't think it's that likely. if tictac is scum it's a different story but we're not there yet.
i find all the fakehammers null and don't know if i care that much about it. Flubber isn't very verbose in general so the lack of explanation doesn't ping me in a particular way.

because that's the trajectory he established for himself earlier in his ISO

his ISO is pretty barebones even for how little he's been around and it looks like he's putting on a show more than actually trying to sort people

and the way he went about this latest vote is just...

not natural

[Ankamius]

yes I'm mad

I'm positively fuming that you're acting like scum

[Ankamius]

I'm making fun of the fact that his word choice is completely ridiculous

(btw it speaks to a discrediting mindset rather than a scumreading mindset)

[Ankamius]

then explain why "mad" is the word you'd use for this?

[Ankamius]

I interpreted it the way I did because I

have

seen scum purposely try to use more distant wording to try to discredit scumreads on them

especially since he's attacking the apparent lack of a trajectory on one of the only slots I've felt has held to a pretty consistent thought process this entire game

[Ankamius]

slots I've felt has held to a pretty consistent thought process this entire game

Are we reading the same game?

They literally admitted otherwise.

There absolutely is a "town can be inconsistent" conversation here, and I'd love to have it. But that's not going to happen if the raw facts are to be denied.

consistent reads =/= consistent thought process

[Ankamius]

idk what to tell you then?

his approach is consistent
his mindset is consistent
his reads are not consistent

guess which one is the least important!

[Ankamius]

this conversation is over then

[Ankamius]

Someone saying Brig is scum please talk about it?

VOTE: tictac

We can do this for now. I need to take a closer look at Ank anyways.

What is insufficient about what I've already said

[Ankamius]

Afaik it's because "lurker SHRUG"

[Ankamius]

Town:
Enter
u r a person 2
skitter30
xRECKONERx
tris
NotMySpamAccount

Scum:
Brigitte
Chara?
Flubbernugget?

Who the fuck knows :
Elbirn
Nimueh
tictac

[Ankamius]

Funny thing is that if I was able to locktown all my townreads, this would be a solve.

[Ankamius]

tictac might be a Brigitte-partner actually

ehhhhhhh

[Ankamius]

Afaik it's because "lurker SHRUG"

Do you think his ISO seems particularly scummy? I don’t didn’t find anything particularly pinging about it.

he's being pushed because he's an easy push

I haven't seen any evidence of otherwise, and even then my personal 'scumread' of him is a bit of a stretch that's dependent on my Brigitte scumread

sooooooooooooooo

[Ankamius]

urap2 and enter

[Ankamius]

hi

[Ankamius]

is it safe to come back into the thread yet

[Ankamius]

nimueh have you played with me before under an alt?

[Ankamius]

that's fine, just knowing you have is enough to lower the possible people you can be down to two people anyways

[Ankamius]

and btw that means that them playing like this is NAI

[Ankamius]

Spoiler:

Afaik it's because "lurker SHRUG"

Do you think his ISO seems particularly scummy? I don’t didn’t find anything particularly pinging about it.

he's being pushed because he's an easy push

I haven't seen any evidence of otherwise, and even then my personal 'scumread' of him is a bit of a stretch that's dependent on my Brigitte scumread

sooooooooooooooo

I think you’re probably town. I agree, tictac seems like mislynchbait.

Why do you think Ank is town?

Scum prey on easy lynchbaity players, so it’s townie to question that. I also agree with her as I don’t see why he’s scum. I think scum is probably on his wagon though.

one thing I'm curious about is why you believe this is town-indicative for me specifically

[Ankamius]

that's fine, just knowing you have is enough to lower the possible people you can be down to two people anyways

and btw that means that them playing like this is NAI

I would still tr you here, even if I hadn’t played with you before but obviously that helps.

is there more to it or just from that one point

[Ankamius]

so two things that I can fake lol

[Ankamius]

I'm very unreliable with my stances as scum

and tone is very easy for me to fake, you have to judge other things against my tone to read me based on it

[Ankamius]

you're welcome for helping dismantle the townread on me to make it easier for you to make a push on me Brigitte

[Ankamius]

maybe I'm more concerned with how people get to their reads of me than what the reads are?

[Ankamius]

no I'm following what you're saying perfectly

[Ankamius]

(I'm not trying to dismantle scumreads on me)

[Ankamius]

ok?

how am I not, exactly?

[Ankamius]

I disagree

[Ankamius]

More than half of it was a direct copy of what I said about you, except add in things like "didn't know how to act around fake hammer" and "awkward scumread on me". You even added the confidence level I had on you as your next post. Except instead of what I said as 85% you are 90%. Woah. You are a legend.

I'd love to see what 'more than half' is, because what you've listed is 90% of my scumread on you

[Ankamius]

I called NMSA newbtown because newbscum tend to completely fall apart or have a drastic tone shift in general that doesn't fit with what they're saying.

newbtown either has a congruent tone shift or there isn't that drastic of a shift at all

that's not all-encompassing but that's the general trend

[Ankamius]

Your stances are not much there under the surface. Like just examine the case you made on me. More than half of it was a direct copy of what I said about you, except add in things like "didn't know how to act around fake hammer" and "awkward scumread on me". You even added the confidence level I had on you as your next post. Except instead of what I said as 85% you are 90%. Woah. You are a legend.

Yeah this is fucking bogus

With a 85% confidence. Yes.

More confident on NMSA but willing to hear him out.

I'm like 90% certain that Brigitte is scum

Chara is my guess for scum #2 and my current guess is that one of the absent slots is scum #3, but I need more time to be able to cement either of those slots.

this is so far apart from each other that it's a stretch to call it connected in the first place

I've been spending the entire last 20 pages or so specifically trying to push against the NMSA wagon (who I believe is town) and to pull the wagon over to myself to see what responses people would have and how exactly they would handle the gamestate shift.

Brigitte has a really awkward scumread on me that I can't find a thought process supporting at all. Her reaction to the 'lynch' was posturey as hell as the only person who seemed to be ignoring it entirely (which is a scum trait for players that are probably less confident in faking reactions to events going on in the game). A lot of what I've seen from her towards this stage looks like scum that can't quite adapt to what's being thrown her way well enough to be realistic from a town mindset.

the case wasn't "More than half of it was a direct copy of what I said about you, except with . . .," it was literally the other stuff you mentioned.

you are also not addressing my stated agenda when I made that post, which even explains why I believe those specific points are very scum-indicative from you

all you've said is that there's barely anything there under the surface, which is provably false within that same post you pulled this from

[Ankamius]

do I need to do more to prove Brigitte's scumread is fake?

[Ankamius]

Theres pretty obvious points in this game where your tone is fake btw.

this is true

I specifically said that I was trying to bait a wagon on myself to save a townread

now can you prove that it's scummy for me to fake my tone or that it's fake elsewhere?

[Ankamius]

can't say I'm surprised you're joining this one flubber

[Ankamius]

have you managed to light that cigar yet

[Ankamius]

hell yes

No further questions.

[Ankamius]

me too, I need to have a good cry after that heartwarming speech

[Ankamius]

duh what

[Ankamius]

i don't have a great sense for how lynchable you are; i imagine if i were scum here i owuld not try to lynch you

Lynching me as town is nearly impossible

[Ankamius]

it was just for fun

[Ankamius]

lol

games I take THAT seriously have much less joking and sarcasm than I've had this game

[Ankamius]

What do you think of Brigittes case reck

[Ankamius]

Theres pretty obvious points in this game where your tone is fake btw.
You pretending you are not angry during the game by throwing around sarcasm with it, obviously actually angry.
Like the most real tone thing you have going for you is this weird ego self perception you have. Which is what I believe is the most real thing I have seen about your posts.

Your stances are not much there under the surface. Like just examine the case you made on me. More than half of it was a direct copy of what I said about you, except add in things like "didn't know how to act around fake hammer" and "awkward scumread on me". You even added the confidence level I had on you as your next post. Except instead of what I said as 85% you are 90%. Woah. You are a legend.

Your position on NMSA is "newbtown". The easiest. Laziest. Argument. Ever.

My question for people townreading you is are they townreading the ego part thinking that the scum would be more agreeable or something?

People really should think about how easy it is to make an argument for NMSA being newbtown is.
What criteria do you need to make to fill that argument?
Establish the player is new.
Then call them newbtown and mislynch bait.

And there you have it. Don't need to process thought patterns. Don't need to address actions really. In fact I don't think Ank has even responded to one post by NMSA, instead you just proxy defend him.

All this actually makes me think that if Ank is scum. NMSA is definitely town.

[Ankamius]

Glad to see I'm not going insane for that being a scummy case lol

[Ankamius]

Person who read me as scummy before you asked them about my case. Thinks I make a scummy case.

Woah. That is shocking.

Cool, I still got the impression that he actually analyzed it so even with bias, he still responded to the case itself and didn't just label it as scum and leave it at that

[Ankamius]

So?

He's also one of my townreads and has enough of a different view of the game to have a different outlook

It's entirely possible to scumread someone and not find specific things scummy

[Ankamius]

It's entirely possible to scumread someone and not find specific things scummy

[Ankamius]

Ummmmmmmmm

what lol

[Ankamius]

does it help to mention that I'm prone to deathtunnels

[Ankamius]

This is scum trying to salvage a push too hard lol

[Ankamius]

????????

[Ankamius]

If you're town, you need to reset

That's two other people who are agreeing with me in this now

[Ankamius]

We don't agree just because we have the same read

I still disagree with the tictac push and reck has been pushing it since like 30 pages ago

[Ankamius]

Context matters a lot more than actions

[Ankamius]

You know I'm reaching out to town-you and giving scum-you an out, right?

[Ankamius]

UNVOTE: Brigitte

I might read stuff tomorrow idk yet

[Ankamius]

I can untunnel myself just fine Brigitte

[Ankamius]

i don't know what that means for brigitte's alignment yet tho

Still probably scum

These kinds of reads are the ones I tend to be the most accurate on and I'm still not entirely convinced this was s deathtunnel yet

I generally regret not following my gut so

[Ankamius]

I'm still not entirely convinced this was s deathtunnel yet

Although I will note that my main issue with this being a scum act is that I don't think she wouldn't have realized by now that this isn't winnable for her and backed off

[Ankamius]

If you're town, you need to reset

That's two other people who are agreeing with me in this now

this is a bad look though

Eh

Yeah I worded this badly

[Ankamius]

Why would I back off when I'm getting support rather than swing the lynch to you

What trajectory do I even have from here lol

[Ankamius]

is this really what I sounded like 30-40 pages ago

[Ankamius]

Oops battery is dead

I'll update my reads tomorrow!!!