Mini 2059: Secrets of the Anuket Topaz [Over]

[Branson]

I'm just going to post once here just so people are aware that I am now here.

Now I'm off to go read the thread.

[Branson]

VOTE: Skitter30

[Branson]

I'm just going to note that I'm only about 1/3 through the game currently.

[Branson]

I am sorry, I'm going to have to wait until tomorrow to get more into this game.

This alt requires more thinking than my main does and I've been sleeping very badly lately, so I need to catch up on that before I try forming thoughts that may not even be coherent.

[Branson]

This alt requires more thinking than my main does

What do you mean? Why would that be?

Ankamius is my "play by intuition" account.
Branson is my "play by logic" account.

[Branson]

I'm back and about to start catching up again now that I've slept and ate.

One thing I will mention just from skimming the discussion from my last post is that I'm very wary of how homogeneous everyone's reads appear to be so far. This is a pretty big sign that scum are okay with what is currently happening in the thread and that the game is going in a direction that they believe is favorable to them. Keep that in mind.

[Branson]

Brigitte is looking like scum #2 based off of page 4, but that's to a much lower confidence than I feel Skitter30 is at so far.

[Branson]

A lot of people gave Skitter a townread for the early general reactions, but I felt like her overall approach and what she's specifically saying is a lot more scum indicative than town indicative.

[Branson]

*early general interactions

I'd also like to point out that I think her general response is something I'd expect someone with her general playstyle to do as both alignments.

[Branson]

This skitter case is going to be a huge headache to put into words without relying on my usual tactics to get my points across, but I'll try.

1. I believe #70 post is the scummiest post in the entire game so far, minus other posts that came by later... which are also by the same slot (and I will get to those later).
1a. The question to flubber is an empty nothing question.
1b. Too much detail on the Enter quote. I found it bizarre that you felt the need to call that post manipulative and his interactions with Brigitte not SvS after you asked a lot of questions about that one single quote.
1c. Your response to #42 was another empty nothing question.
1d. I really don't like how you felt the need to predate a question to u r a person 2 with stating that you think he's town.

2. It was made pretty obvious pretty fast what Enter was trying to do (and Brigitte even explained it here), and yet you kept pushing the same case even beyond that. Your overall play up to where I have stopped reading is to push on Enter's 31->34 trajectory for as much as you can get away with, and I don't feel like the way you're approaching it is natural since I'm seeing you occasionally make somewhat nuanced stances and points (70, 89 132), yet the other parts of your ISO for this stage in the game is essentially arguing the same points over and over again without applying that same nuance to what everyone else is telling you. It's jarring.

3. These three posts are the other biggest source of my scumread outside of #70. Brigitte was clearly talking about the 31->34 shift when she said the consistency wasn't scummy, and I find it a bit hard to believe that it would naturally occur in a town mindset to respond to that with what is essentially "yeah the progression isn't scummy but both parts of it are scummy!" especially when you call it scummy anyways six posts later.

There's more but I'm being pulled away to do other stuff, so I can't go into it currently.

[Branson]

And by the way, anyone who specifically tries to argue that "consistency" and "progression" don't mean the same thing, they pretty clearly do in this context. I really do not care to humor semantics about my choice in wording.

[Branson]

Branson is going to be a nightmare to read due to the style she's going for on this alt. i can see the draw of doing it but it means my methods will not work.

I'm curious what exactly you mean by this, since I never had you pegged as somebody that could recognize the differences between my towngame and scumgame.

[Branson]

I think Reck's push is a lot more town than Skitter's is. At the very least, the thought process behind it (and from what little I know about how he plays from a long while back) looks a lot more genuine and naturally occurring from a town mindset.

I'm not interested in wagoning you because I'm thinking that you are town right now.

[Branson]

Recks play does not feel natural at all

Rereading i noticed i missed some questions directed at me. I will get back to that soon

What about Reck's push looks unnatural? Especially while Skitter is "gut town"? Skitter was pushing mostly the same narrative.

[Branson]

Hi, I've been loosely following along since my last post. I can't do more full analysis stuff until tomorrow, but I can comment on a few things while I am here.

By the way, if I can't get into the game properly within a good chunk of tomorrow, I'm replacing my main back in. I failed to realize how fast behind I would be with a disadvantageous mindset thanks to this game coinciding with my work schedule shifting back to mornings.

[Branson]

If anything can be answered relatively quickly and you don't want it missed, please quote it for me. I can't guarantee I will see it otherwise.

[Branson]

I'm confused why, exactly?

I don't regard meta as a tool that is worth using without a great deal of context into why specific tells work.

My experience with you is that scumgame you mentioned and a game I was loosely following where you also endgamed as scum. I have no town games of yours to contrast that with and definitely not a read into your personality regarding mafia from them, so I have no reason to take my past experiences with you into account on my read.

[Branson]

This skitter case is going to be a huge headache to put into words without relying on my usual tactics to get my points across, but I'll try.

1. I believe #70 post is the scummiest post in the entire game so far, minus other posts that came by later... which are also by the same slot (and I will get to those later).
1a. The question to flubber is an empty nothing question.

You're talking about skitter's response to tris' flubber vote, right?

I think Reck's push is a lot more town than Skitter's is. At the very least, the thought process behind it (and from what little I know about how he plays from a long while back) looks a lot more genuine and naturally occurring from a town mindset.

I'm not interested in wagoning you because I'm thinking that you are town right now.

Talk about 110 and 111. Do both of those also look natural to you? Or is it more of a "Reck looks natural because skitter looks awkward and there's no way they're scum together"?

1. I meant the first thing in that post I was referencing. I was going in order of skitter's comments in that post.
2. I believe it's not something I can get a read from since that looks well within his general playstyle more than indicative of a particular alignment.

Hot Take: Ankamius replaced in with an alt to make it more difficult for you to read them?

That would make no sense for me to do. Nobody in this playerlist has enough foresight into how I play to be able to pick apart my town nuance from the scum fakes, so it makes no sense to try to hide them. Second, Skitter has only ever seen my scumgame unless she observed any that I am not aware of. Third, I have a much harder time avoiding lynches on this account than I do on my main account, so even in a vacuum, that play would make no sense.

Branson I looked through the posts and was trying to dissect the thought process. Not sure it was all there. She says she is going by logic but the logic seemed to have been by intuition or make it up as you go. For instance the feelings on reckoner town, and the case against skitter I thought was trying to logic a case on how someones actions don't make sense without thinking of it made sense from that persons perspective which didn't sit right with the whole thinking as reckoner and other comments made on skitter.

I think this is my fault for not communicating properly.

This is less of a raw logic account and more an account where I try to openly flesh out where exactly my intuition is getting its pings from. Usually it takes me a long time to figure it out, so I'm partially using this alt to try to make it easier so that I have a better ability to convince people of where my pushes come from in future games.

does she know enough of you to be aware you're hard to mislynch. i thought your only game with her was this scumgame you two had together.

I can guess that she's hard to mislynch just by the way she talks. I've been around for quite a while, Chara.

[Branson]

I'd be interested in hearing your thoughts under the assumption that skitter is town, branson

Do you have anything specific? It's hard to adjust my thoughts when I'm still so far behind on the thread.

[Branson]

@Mod: Replace back in on Ankamius

I'm realizing that this game is not functioning in a way that will allow me to deep-analyze the way I want to in this account, especially not when I'm already this far behind.

I'm sorry for the extra work, NSG

[Branson]

I forgot I have emotes enabled by default on this account.

Sigh.