Mini 2059: Secrets of the Anuket Topaz [Over]

[Enter]

Seeing as there's no corporal in the navy
VOTE: Brigitte
Time to bring back lynch all liars.

[Enter]

Actually,
VOTE: reckoner

[Enter]

Reckon I'll have people for dinner

[Enter]

What's your alt, Brigitte?

[Enter]

I plead the fifth.

It doesn't matter, I don't think I've ever played with you before. How interested are you in lynching reckoner?

[Enter]

I plead the fifth.

It doesn't matter, I don't think I've ever played with you before. How interested are you in lynching reckoner?

None at all right now.

I don't think he has generated anything of AI quality yet.

That doesn't make you think things? We're already on the second page and there is no AI content coming from his slot. Seems a bit interesting, doesn't it?

[Enter]

Nope!

Seemed to me he came in here threw down a RVS vote. Then voted someone because they were joke posting. Both pretty empty of alignment content to me. Unless he comes in here to say otherwise I am pretty sure theres nothing there to really think about.

Seems strange to me to think to think its AI.

I would agree it's probably not AI. Actually, I like the vote switch. That's a good point. I'd argue that's more town indicative than scum indicative, if anything.

VOTE: u r a person 2

Really would like to get a wagon going. U r a person 2 is really jokey here, he was pretty serious during marathon, so that seems like enough reason.

Vote with me?

[Enter]

Can I suggest NMSA for that wagon? I expect you'll find that more productive, anyhow.

Why and who is that?

@Enter my vote is already on u r a person 2. He is designated for watch duty. Let us ensure he does his job dutifully.

Shows how much attention I'm paying.

[Enter]

VOTE: VOTE: Brigitte

I'm a vegetarian.

That's some hardcore voting right there, you must have very strong feelings about her. How do you feel about voting u r a person 2

[Enter]

still staring at the sun. it's still there =/

Well have you taken a look at Triss? I think she is stealing from my kitchen.

VOTE: VOTE: Brigitte

I'm a vegetarian.

How did you get aboard this vessel as a meat hater? O_o

Why are you voting for your watch team instead of the thieves stealing from you?

[Enter]

Town
Reckon

Lady Angel


Brigitte
U r a person 2
Scum

[Enter]

OK you can have some town points. I see what you mean

VOTE: ankamius

hello old friend

wait nvm how could i be so stupid

VOTE: brigitte

This pings town

Why the change of mind?

So this pings scum

[Enter]

Being reasonable during RVS drives me crazy.

[Enter]

This is the most exciting part of the game you can do what you want push who you want say what you want none of it matters.

PEdit: sure:

VOTE: tris

[Enter]

Why wait vote me now

[Enter]

That's kinda boring tho.

[Enter]

I feel like no one else loves RVS like I do. I feel like there used to be games where you could get so much sorted in the first few pages but there's only one person to talk to here so we sort... nothing. :/ oh well. Vote triss with me?

[Enter]

I would think someone would play differently in a marathon than in a regular game.

I agree, but some reason > no reason

[Enter]

Skitter's prolly town.

[Enter]

It's cool. Any wagon > no wagon let's get out of RVS

[Enter]

I'll answer questions when I'm not on my phone anymore but at least half the ones asked to me have been answered

[Enter]

I still have no read on reckoner. Do you think reckoner is still town for those posts Enter? Frankly I don't think he really read the last few pages and skimmed the thread like he did in the opening posts when he voted.

That's fair. I'd agree it's pretty apparent he's not paying a whole lot of attention rn, his vote seems a little opportunistic, but he's still like null town, because vote switching draws attention, making serious votes draw attention, and both can at least spark the way to serious discussion and pace the way out of RVS which is usually p town indicative, IMO.

[Enter]

It's not cool to vote my townreads on bad reasoning!

I kind of agree but I think there are times when pushing a town read will result in either a town read or a scum read and that can be kinda necessary if you're not sure on someone. I'd rather people push someone over sitting around pushing no one or just sheeping people. The more active town players, the more likely we are to pull out a V.

Also wagons a lot of the time are very good for analysis as far as who's scum and who's not, IMO. I love wagons, I love RVS, and I love having wild RVSs that result in getting out with p serious reads instead of boring ones where people just kinda sit there and wait for it to be over.

[Enter]

Since this question has been asked like four times this morning already,

I would agree it's probably not AI. Actually, I like the vote switch. That's a good point. I'd argue that's more town indicative than scum indicative, if anything.

P-Edit: ninjad

[Enter]

the opinion shift from enter is completely manufactured

it's like a light switch from "omg he has no ai stuff yet and IT'S PAGE TWO!!!!!!" to "oh yeah i totally agree with you that reck is so town dudeeee"

it's v bad

Definitely. The irony of the push on me is that the argument is that I'm inconsistent, while if you read everything I've been saying, it's actually wildly consistent. It's cool tho, let's get to L-2 at least.

[Enter]

Actually, the fact that people are taking a page one post in RVS that's an obvious attempt to get a wagon going as serious in any way, shape, or form is kinda weird to me. Mafia has changed a lot in the last two years.

[Enter]

the opinion shift from enter is completely manufactured

it's like a light switch from "omg he has no ai stuff yet and IT'S PAGE TWO!!!!!!" to "oh yeah i totally agree with you that reck is so town dudeeee"

it's v bad

Definitely. The irony of the push on me is that the argument is that I'm inconsistent, while if you read everything I've been saying, it's actually wildly consistent. It's cool tho, let's get to L-2 at least.

31 to 34 is absolutely not consistent and no amount of gaslighting will ever convince me of that

It's consistent with everything else I've been saying

"Any wagon is better than no wagon"
"You can say do anything in RVS"
"Let's wagon anyone even if they're town cuz it gets us out of RVS with serious reads"

So a vote change from a player I'd barely read to a player I'd read slightly more of in attempt to draw attention, start a wagon, and acquire reads is pretty consistent to the rest of what I've been saying.

It's almost like context is important.

[Enter]

Actually, the fact that people are taking a page one post in RVS that's an obvious attempt to get a wagon going as serious in any way, shape, or form is kinda weird to me. Mafia has changed a lot in the last two years.

it was page two

shouldnt you know, you were blowing up about how ridiculous it was i had posted no AI content ON PAGE FRICKIN TWO!!!!

I was joking with that post. The fact that you think I was serious shows how low your opinion of me is. That hurts.

Actually, the fact that people are taking a page one post in RVS that's an obvious attempt to get a wagon going as serious in any way, shape, or form is kinda weird to me. Mafia has changed a lot in the last two years.

this is coming after you insinuated a lack of ai content on page 2 is a negative thing

and after you've said a wagon on you is cool to get the game out of rvs

I like wagons cuz they get me reads. Your wagon on me is getting me reads. How does this seem inconsistent?

[Enter]

my issue isn't the vote change

my issue is the flip from suspecting me to IN THE VERY NEXT POST saying i pinged you as town instead and putting me near the top of your town list

it's not organic. it's so flippant and out of nowhere. it feels manufactured

It's almost like...

It was manufactured.

Dun dun dunn...

To see who people were willing to jump on and get a wagon going.

What?!??! Preposterous!

[Enter]

...

this does not read like a joke whatsoever

this reads like actual prodding and pushing

*sigh*

I hate explaining jokes.

OK so how many times have you played a mafia game and people post something that's really AI in the first two pages? Dude, I said isn't it weird he hasn't done anything AI in the first two pages? A lot of people hadn't even posted yet. So yes, it's joke reasoning.

And it's also very real prodding and pushing, because I wanted to see if she would bite. A joke reason has been the reason people have jumped on a wagon before.

It's almost like tempting your scum read with Lynch bait is scummy now and that's awkward

[Enter]

you're complaining that a wagon on you based on people taking one rvs post seriously is weird after trying to form wagons on people based on their rvs posts

Naw. I like the wagon on me. I feel like lynchbait right now and you're voting for Lynch bait. Keep pushing me, I'm serious. I'm just giving you some scum cred while it happens. What's the point of a wagon if we just all vote for someone and no one gets any reads off of it?

[Enter]

Brigitte is a town read rn, btw, before people start trying to twist my words there

[Enter]

i jumped on it and you're townreading me ... ?

are you townreading me *because* i jumped on it?

are you saying you made a bad post on purpose to see who would jump on it to try to get wagons to happen ...?

I was going tonne sarcastic but then I realised that was rude and mean, and that a simple "yes" would suffice.

[Enter]

...

ok.

so just to summarize

enter: *does a really scummy thing by changing his mind on a read out of nowhere*
people: *vote enter for doing the scummy thing*
enter: but aha you see it is i who is a genius because i

meant

to be scummy

cool okay hey everyone you can ignore the last six pages this is everything right here ^^^

"Ouch I got played and now I look dumb pls vote for this guy so I don't feel as bad for voting for lynchbait"

Wow. I'm cranky, sorry about that. I'm gonna go eat bekfast, see you in a bit

[Enter]

ok this finally makes a bit more sense
although i don't think that reck is usually lynchbait but whatever
so what, after brigitte didn't follow you you started townreading her (you were scumreading her later that page tho)
and then rethought whether or not reck was sactually scummy?

Kinda. I was screaming her for p much up until recently (I can find exactly what post later) but I usually play by gut until we are out of RVS and there's real things to analyze. I never really had a scum read on reckoner I just wanted to see what I could get her to jump on and what I couldn't. When she made the point about reck, I went back and actually looked at it and it looked kinda townie for reasons I explained later. So I started pushing elsewhere to see if I could get her to jump on that.

[Enter]

Still trying to decide if Reckoner:
1 seriously thinks he caught scum on page 1
2 is pushing cuz he's town and legitimately doesn't know better
2.5 is pushing cuz wagons are good for analysis
3 is gonna try and tunnel me all game so he doesn't have to pay attention and post content

[Enter]

At first he was town cuz I thought prolly case 2.5 esp considering his immediate vote switch, but since he hasn't seen that people aren't all that interested in me I'm starting to think 1 or 3

[Enter]

I do like what's happening with NMSA, and with so many believable reasons to push people right now, I think there's probably scum on his wagon and/or nor voting

[Enter]

bleh i can maybe see this, and the timeline does match up

i still think you were being manipulative there tho; that's not inherently scummy but i don't like it

and what point about reck did she make ... that nothing he did was ai and that there's no reason to push him? so that prompted you to ... reread reck and decide that his vote change was townie?

and you forgot that she was already on urap2?

==

also brigitte is townie imo

She didn't make any real point on reck other than she wasn't really willing to vote for him. I went back and (really I only kinda skimmed the first time, that was the first time actually reading it, TBH). I thought his vote switch was townie for the same reason I play the way I do. Drawing attention to yourself gets people to look at you pretty closely and scum usually don't want people looking at them (or anyone) very closely cuz that resorts in game sorting.

I didn't really know her vote was on urap2 in the first place, I just wanted to see who she'd jump on to wagon with me. Pretty much everything she'd posted up to that point I'd read as joke posts so I hadn't read it too closely and I wanted something serious from her.

Agree that brig is p townie now.

[Enter]

Also, before I forget, VOTE: Brigitte

VOTE: NMSA

[Enter]

At least try to look town please.


I'm adding a possible situation 3.5 for reck:

Pushing me cuz NMSA is his buddy

[Enter]

I'm adding a possible situation 3.5 for reck:

Pushing me cuz NMSA is his buddy

Are ya retracting the point about the vote change being towny now?

Naw. I think there's three possible ways reck is playing right now. this is just a draw on the next one

as far as reck thing going on w/ NMSA, yeah I think maybe reck was pushin for real at first and then he got serious and continued push when NMSA became counter

[Enter]

Update:

Still trying to decide if Reckoner:
1 seriously thinks he caught scum on page 1
2 is pushing cuz he's town and legitimately doesn't know better
2.5 is pushing cuz wagons are good for analysis
3 is gonna try and tunnel me all game so he doesn't have to pay attention and post content
3.5 is pushing me cuz NMSA is his buddy

[Enter]

the fact that reck didn't post anything in between so i don't know why he suddenly changed his mind from 'reck has no ai content' to 'nm reck's changing vote like that is townie'

I thought it was a change from casual read into looking at things more closely when prompted.
Gave him a townpoint for it.

This seems different from Enter's own explanations.

It reminds me of the game you were in with the mod. Where she caught you fake claiming as vig.

yeah, that's exaclty the game i was thinking of
were you following along with that game?

I wasn't following along at the time, but I recently read the end of it.

the fact that reck didn't post anything in between so i don't know why he suddenly changed his mind from 'reck has no ai content' to 'nm reck's changing vote like that is townie'

I thought it was a change from casual read into looking at things more closely when prompted.
Gave him a townpoint for it.

that's really not the vibe i got

townie thus far: brigitte, urap2, maybe tris
some of enter's recent posting is better so i'm re-evaluating that

it's a close enough explanation. i didn't really care how reck read at the time, i wanted to push brig, so i didn't really read reck
brig said she wasn't gonna wagon reck so i went back to read why *shrug*

it doesn't matter

[Enter]

Town
Reckon

Lady Angel


Brigitte
U r a person 2
Scum

What did it mean for Lady Angel to be in middle here. If it means null, what set her apart from others who had posted at the time.

reck was kinda town for drawing attention w his vote flip

lady voted brig for no known reason - i liked that there was attempt at content but not quite sure where it was going also i was kinda on the scumreading side of brig at the time so i liked she was voting scumread

brig and urap2 were fluff posting which i don't like in rvs, regardless of whether or not it's ai. fluffposting is a way to fill up a game w/ nonsense that gets people nowhere, it draws attention so it makes you look less scum (cuz you're not lurking and trying to hide under the radar) but it also doesn't push anything

what do you think i'm doing

what is this a response to

[Enter]

iirc i'm pretty sure that reck's push on you started before nmsa even posted

as far as reck thing going on w/ NMSA, yeah I think maybe reck was pushin for real at first and then he got serious and continued push when NMSA became counter

[Enter]

you have like three different reasons (+ subreasons) for why reck might be pushing you
which (if any) of those do you think apply to me?

None, really. Your push looked legit and was kinda what I was looking for.
One of the reasons I like wagons so much is that some people give good reasons and scum tend to follow up with bad ones (or none).
I like to think that most wagons have scum on them (obviously this will get more true the larger the wagon). When you guys were scumreading me, you seemed to be legitimately trying to understand the game and sort. Reck just seems to be acting like he's pretty convinced on this and he's not really interested in looking anywhere else (which looks pretty fake to me, to claim you have scum off page one and not really consider anything else or attempt to sort?) I'm honestly not sure on him, there's a lot of places he could be coming from, which is why I'm keeping the list, so I can keep track of what I'm thinking where on him

So, are you saying Lady was on the town side in that?

Yeah, kinda? Null-town, I think.

Update:

Still trying to decide if Reckoner:
1 seriously thinks he caught scum on page 1
2 is pushing cuz he's town and legitimately doesn't know better
2.5 is pushing cuz wagons are good for analysis
3 is gonna try and tunnel me all game so he doesn't have to pay attention and post content
3.5 is pushing me cuz NMSA is his buddy

What do you think is most likely?

Option Z: I want to see more from reckoner because him focusing on Enter like he has been isn't giving me enough information.

I agree. This is pretty much where I'm at. I just don't want to forget my read on him cuz he starts lurking or something (this has happened to me a lot, so I'm trying something new).

I'll get to new slots in a sec, sorry, I'm a bit preoccupied at the moment.

[Enter]

I do like what's happening with NMSA, and with so many believable reasons to push people right now, I think there's probably scum on his wagon and/or nor voting

I don't think I understand what you are saying here.

I'd like a response to this.

I don't really know how to reword this in a way that's different?
I like that we have a wagon of reasonable size on a player.
I think there were a lot of good reasons to vote for people, so people didn't really have a good reason to not be voting.
Between the wagon on NMSA and the people not voting, there's probably at least one scum.

[Enter]

His posts have a faint metallic taste to them. I bite in expecting food, but come out of it looking to see if someone dropped a piece of iron in for some reason.

He feels fake-ish, which wasn't really enough reason for my vote until he voted Brig, who I'm pretty solid on as town and his reasons for voting her don't seem to amount to much.

Voting someone because OMGUS alone seems pretty weak, but when we've had 8 pages of content with at least three viable wagons (Myself, Reck, and himself -which kinda doesn't count, I agree), voting Brig seems like a decent way for someone to avoid discussing any of the thoughts shared in the game thread, which is something you'd want to do to avoid outing your buddies when you've got players already emerging as pretty strong universal town reads including skitter and Brig.

It also looks like he has no sense of anything going on past his own wagon, and he doesn't even particularly seem to be paying attention to that other than to whip out a town read on urap2, which at this point just looks like a weak attempt at buddying.

I honestly have so many more words I feel I could say on the matter, and perhaps the fact that I'm not particularly torn over voting him says something, but I find the more I say on the matter, the less my post is likely to get read, so we'll leave it at this for now.

To be brief, I'm not a huge fan of NMSA's play, atm.

[Enter]

@enter what do you think of branson's vote on me?

There's really no context for it.
Analyzing posts out of context just results in screaming matches (a lot of the time). I'm waiting for her to catch up.

[Enter]

empty reads from a player who no one has a read on are worthless

FTFY

[Enter]

i basically wanted to know if you thought this about branson's vote on me

I'm expecting a solid explanation when she catches up. There are a few reasons I can see for someone 1/3 of the way through the game thread to vote you, and the way she posted made me feel like I could expect thoughts from her upon catching up. I didn't feel like I could expect more out of NMSA after his post, his seemed to be an attempt to avoid discussion, hers might be an attempt to generate it.

[Enter]

Well this is going to be my last post of the night. might be gone until friday, I know you all will miss me
Got about a third of the game sorted? 3-4 players sorted. Maybe when I get back I will have the rest sorted.

Cheers!

Have a good week!

i do kinda want to know why she's scumreading me tho

Patience. I think most of us are as curious as you.

[Enter]

Hi everyone. Just based on skimming the thread, NMSA’s posts are pinging me the most. Not voting yet, because I’m concerned about the speed of that wagon.

This is just WIFOM.

Also, can someone please explain the votes on Brigitte, Skitter? Thanks.

Everyone else is waiting on explanations on those as well.

[Enter]

Not JUST WIFOM, I mean, but it wouldn't surprise me if we've got some hard bussers that don't trust a buddy in this one.

[Enter]

NotMySpamAccount (5): u r a person 2 5, tris 62, tictac 67, Brigitte 144, Enter 207

I'm town reading everyone on this wagon to some extent except enter.

I'm a little surprised that no one has been willing to bring this to l-1. I see both town and scum motivations for voicing support for the wagon without getting on. I would not be surprised in the slightest if there is scum in that group.

I'm satisfied with this for now but I'll expect more later.

I'll be back tonight.

[Enter]

Ya? Anything in particular you want to know?

Most specifically I'd like you to respond to my comment earlier about scum likely being on the wagon or not voting.

[Enter]

I'm sorry, that's not really what I was getting at. I'm really out of my element right now so I'll ask you again when I wake up.

[Enter]

So I'm extremely tired and unable to focus on anything, which is why I'm here right now instead of studying. I can't get a handle on the Enter/Reck thing at all for some reason, so I'm not going to have much useful to say here until later in the game. Clearly the playstyle change didn't work out great. Because of this, I'm considering replacing out so y'all can have a useful player instead of dead weight in this slot. Do you guys want someone else or do you want me to stay? I'll answer anything you ask me if I have the time, but please don't make me do a full reread. Fire away while I've got a few minutes.

I feel you. I'm also tired and jetlagged and having trouble focusing, so I understand where you're coming from. I'm gonna say that I personally would prefer you stayed in. Replacements can ruin a game, and if you're town the best way for you to get out of a lynch is to prove you're town. I'd say sleep it off (to the best of your ability) and then come back when you can, drop a reads list, talk about things you like and don't like, prove your alignment instead of trying to tug at our heart strings. Besides, if you're actually trying a new play style, stick with it. I'm super experimental and used to (and often still do) get mislynched all the time for it. I'm trying some new stuff this game, too. The best way to work through this is to play it out, keep experimenting, try to prove you're town (like I mentioned before) and just develop your meta. I don't know if this helps or makes sense or if it's just me rambling because I'm tired but I hope you can get something useful out of it.

One of my pet peeves is players who throw pity parties or pull really AtE play and that's the only reason they avoid a Lynch, so as policy I'm not going to unvote until I see another player as more scummy than you, but hang in there even if you're town or scum and just try and have fun with it. I highly doubt you will actually be lynched at this point. Very rarely have I seen a highly active game (which I very much intend for this to be) result in the Lynch of a player who got bandwagons coming out of RVS

[Enter]

me and reck had the same stance there so i'm kinda confused why i'm getting townreads for this tbh

Because you tried to game solve and he insisted he was right.

[Enter]

NotMySpamAccount (5): u r a person 2 5, tris 62, tictac 67, Brigitte 144, Enter 207

I'm town reading everyone on this wagon to some extent except enter.

I'm a little surprised that no one has been willing to bring this to l-1. I see both town and scum motivations for voicing support for the wagon without getting on. I would not be surprised in the slightest if there is scum in that group.

eh i'm just kinda wary of l-1 wagons at this stage; i feel like it's a little too early for that

why are you townreading tictac? if nmsa is scum that vote is my best bet for a bus actually

At this point I highly doubt an L-1 wagon would result in a Lynch, it's practically a scum claim to quickhammer that, but L-2 seems to hold pressure just fine, so I'm not complaining.

+1 to the second paragraph tho

[Enter]

I try to avoid worrying about associatives on day one with no flips, but if I was gonna call scum on the NMSA wagon after a red flip, I'd say it was prolly tictac and urap 2.

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On a read of who?

[Enter]

I'll drop my reads list tonight after work and sleep.

And that's fair

[Enter]

sorry, i was asking about your reck read; have you settled on what you think he may have been doing early game?

and oooh that's spicy. you think urap is bussing scum!nmsa?

No, I haven't. He seems to either be trying to lurk off the attention he's getting or trying to game solve elsewhere. I'd really like to see more activity from him.

Yeah. So I can go more in depth when I get to my computer, but the way urap2 started pushing nmsa in RVS seemed pretty OK to me I think, but somewhere along the line of him turning his joke read into a real one pinged me as starting to feel rather fake.

This is mostly gut, of course, I don't really wanna ISO anyone or quote posts as evidence right now so these reads are just kinda what I remember.

[Enter]

@Enter What were you going to ask me earlier? I'm talking about the thing that came out wrong or w/e

I mean to say I think the majority of scum is probably on NMSA wagon/not voting at the time of that post. You said you think it's mostly town except me. What I mean to ask is what do you think of the other wagons/votes in that case?

[Enter]

Yes. I do.

[Enter]

@Enter At no point was my read on NMSA a joke, or rvs read. I came into this game fairly confident that I could read NMSA off of his opening posts, and I believe I have done so.

This just makes it worse for me, IMO

[Enter]

I want NMSA to be lynched today, I don't think he will be lynched right now. Based on experience the wagon on him will dismantle before reforming again if he will be lynched, though. Very very rarely do I see a wagon coming out of RVS resulting in a Lynch.

[Enter]

@Enter At no point was my read on NMSA a joke, or rvs read. I came into this game fairly confident that I could read NMSA off of his opening posts, and I believe I have done so.

This just makes it worse for me, IMO

Why?

Because it looks more like you're bussing on preexisting knowledge and a lack of faith in his ability.

[Enter]

Because it looks more like you're bussing on preexisting knowledge and a lack of faith in his ability.

i mean idk do scum really start the game bussing their partner before they even have a chance to post? i'm not sure i've *ever* seen that happen tbh

That happened to me my very first mafia game.

[Enter]

I'll explain more later, but yeah I was assuming scum had daytalk

[Enter]

Ugh. Sorry for yesterday, I was really out of my element. Let's fix this, starting here:

1. I love wagons. I love wagons made for good reason, I love wagons made for bad reason, I love wagons made for seemingly no reason whatsoever. I like to see who's willing to get on and push, who's resistant, and why. So of course I'm going to push to see who's willing to get on and who's not, offering whatever reason I can to be on it. After my push to see if we could get one more vote on NMSA yesterday I didn't get much positive response, just a bit of resistance, so for that reason, I think my time here is done. I'm going to save these:

Spoiler:

Votecount 1.5

NotMySpamAccount (5):

u r a person 2 5, tris 62, tictac 67, Brigitte 144, Enter 207

skitter30 (2):

Chara 69, Bronson 259

Brigitte (1):

NotMySpamAccount 198

Enter (1):

xRECKONERx 82

Not voting (4):

Nimueh, Ankamius, skitter30 190, Flubbernugget 258

With 13 alive, it’s 7 to lynch. The Day 1 deadline is in (expired on 2019-03-08 00:58:59).

Anyone else you wanna vote?

No, because NMSA is currently the slot that’s pinging me the most, so if there aren’t any slots I find scummier, that’s probably where my vote’s going to go. Which is why I’m not voting yet.

I have no other scum reads to share atm.

NotMySpamAccount (5): u r a person 2 5, tris 62, tictac 67, Brigitte 144, Enter 207

I'm town reading everyone on this wagon to some extent except enter.

I'm a little surprised that no one has been willing to bring this to l-1. I see both town and scum motivations for voicing support for the wagon without getting on. I would not be surprised in the slightest if there is scum in that group.

eh i'm just kinda wary of l-1 wagons at this stage; i feel like it's a little too early for that

why are you townreading tictac? if nmsa is scum that vote is my best bet for a bus actually

and UNVOTE:

2. Agree that the lack of people reading NMSA differently from the crowd is pretty interesting. Also should be noted the players who are not particularly reading him at all, or pushing elsewhere [Branson, Chara, Lady Angel]

3. Like the reads list coming out of NMSA. Like that it's there. I'll post my own Soon^TM, depending on when I get free time. Would like to see reads out of u r a person 2.

4. I'm sorry I haven't really read what you're posting, Branson, there's a lot going on right now (but I think that's really good for town). What do you think of Reck next to Skitter?

I do think the next move should be to wagon me over skitter

, though, just because a lot of people seem to be scumreading me right now, my play tends to be a lot less gambitty when I'm under the eye and maybe if people trust me a little more I can get back to pushing things for reads. Maybe this is selfish of me, but I hate having to try and look town while also trying to do things that make town look good.

5. Chara, I like your new avatar, but more coming out of this slot would be nice. Lady Angel and Nimueh should post a little more as well, on some of the other relevant topics.

6. There are three points I would like everyone to share on if they get the chance: ... eh. Actually we'll wait on that. More when I get back from work.

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Just a little encouragement to keep the game moving from players other than the ones posting right now, VOTE: Chara

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2. Agree that the lack of people reading NMSA differently from the crowd is pretty interesting. Also should be noted the players who are not particularly reading him at all, or pushing elsewhere [Branson, Chara, Lady Angel]

Also should be added to this list: Reck (who I'm starting to lean towards case 3.5 on). Maybe someone else that I missed

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I pushed a lot of people to vote NMSA. Ignoring facts doesn't make them go away. Vote me if you wanna call me scum and quit making up reasons.

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The NMSA wagon began to slow down. In an attempt to keep it going and see who was willing to jump on and who wasn't, I challenged nimuehs reasoning on not voting him and then followed up by providing a somewhat decent reason for people to keep voting him.

Hi everyone. Just based on skimming the thread, NMSA’s posts are pinging me the most. Not voting yet, because I’m concerned about the speed of that wagon.

This is just WIFOM.

Also, can someone please explain the votes on Brigitte, Skitter? Thanks.

Everyone else is waiting on explanations on those as well.

Not JUST WIFOM, I mean, but it wouldn't surprise me if we've got some hard bussers that don't trust a buddy in this one.

In addition to these, I posed multiple times the other day that the wagon on NMSA would fall apart - in my experience this often causes players to jump on just cuz people like to spite me for some reason (or maybe they want to prove there's more support than I expected for the wagon)(these I actually posted for more than just this purpose, however, so I'm not going to quote them here, also because mobile)

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How is saying that "it wouldn't surprise me if we've got some hard bussers that don't trust a buddy in this one" anything but throwing shade on the wagon and people voting there?

I don't know. I'm not entirely certain why proposing that the reason a wagon is growing so quickly on scum would be because scum is bussing. It's strange and ridiculous to me to suggest that people scared of jumping on a wagon due to speed of its growth would be comforted by the idea that the wagon is growing because scum is bussing.

What experiences are you referring to in the last paragraph?

I'm not sure what you're asking for here.

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That was probably snarkier than it needed to be.

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If I'm scum reading people already on the wagon, that means I'm less likely to be screaming the other people in the game. I also proposed that both scum were already on the bus in my comment about you and tictac. It's like I had already thought of that and was prepared for it.

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What experiences are you referring to in the last paragraph?

I'm not sure what you're asking for here.

You're saying that in your experience, saying a wagon fall apart makes people vote there. I'm asking you to back this up, because I think you're making it up.

I'd like to, but I've played mafia since 2012 on multiple sites, on this one since 2014, and I'm not going to look through all my games to try and find every time I've said or done something and people have done the opposite to spite me. I'm personally surprised you haven't encountered the same.

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What experiences are you referring to in the last paragraph?

I'm not sure what you're asking for here.

You're saying that in your experience, saying a wagon fall apart makes people vote there. I'm asking you to back this up, because I think you're making it up.

You're telling me that you've never played a mafia game where you've said "we're not lynching this" and someone puts a vote on them and says "bet." Or something similar

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People to vote. I don't care who votes and who doesn't. I like wagons, I like seeing why people will get on wagons and why people won't get on wagons. And it wasn't all just a giant reaction test. I didn't like NASA's play, the Brig vote specifically pinged me. I might have exaggerated how much I believed in the wagon a bit, but don't put words in my mouth.

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My point is I'd rather have a lot of people voting a lot of different ways or specifically refusing to vote a lot of different ways than a bunch of people dropping reads saying "we could vote this or we could vote that"

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Like what you're doing right now gets on my nerves. I understand why you won't do it right now (you think NMSA is scum), but I'd much rather you voted me and pushed me instead of just pushing with words. Votes are just so much easier to follow and when you get to lylo, finding where people pushed with words what and how can be more difficult if there's no vote with it.

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Hey, apologies. That's how your big post read to me. Not all a reaction test, got it.

So, then, what is your actual, honest-to-god read on NMSA right now?

He looks pretty scummy, to be honest. I'm still developing reads on other people but he feels like a solid Lynch today. I like that he tried with his reads list, but I only kinda skimmed it, and it looked like he had a few nulls on there. Replacing out attempts, self votes, and the like don't always indicate scum but they can be telling and I have an aversion towards all of them. Pushing Brig (who isn't here and was pretty strong town pushing him when she was) just feels like OMGUS and an excuse not to really talk about anything else. He's pretty scummy to me ATM.

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My most confident scum read is nmsa. There is no reason for me to unvote. It's counter to my win-con to unvote. You're not going to goad me into unvoting.

That's fine. We disagree on counter to your wincon thing, it wouldn't be hard to put your vote back on him, but I don't care as far as you're concerned as much because I understand where you're coming from. A problem I've run into before is pushing only one player day one as scum, getting the player lynched and then not know who to push because all day all I focused on and all that happened was the push on that player. I'm working hard to make sure that doesn't happen, but just ... whatever. You seem like you're aware enough of what's going on. It will be more beneficial to talk about this post game when I can prove my alignment.

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Definitely. I like conversations like this.

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What is WIM?

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UNVOTE:

I don't know if I'm getting old or what, but I can't make reads lists like I used to. Maybe it's just work getting in the way. These are very... stream of conscious-y. I used to like to do colors and fluff it up and split up who was what and have three questions for everyone but I'm tired and I have to be up early tomorrow, so I'm going to get done what I can, try not to miss much, and I'll probably get a TL;DR in the thread tomorrow.

Spoiler: Rereading the game thread. Interesting things:

Still like Reck's vote switch. Draws attention, scum doesn't want attention, etc.

Tris doesn't ping me really the second time through. Don't really care for not having your vote on someone ever, but not doing it in an RVS where there's already a lot is pretty ok.

The NMSA wagon seems to be pretty RVS-y on second look. If I was going to call someone scum for jumping on it at this point, I think it would be tictac or tris, but I like both of their votes because I'm a fan of big wagons coming out of RVS. I think it's possible that the whole wagon is town.

Skitter's 70 reads as town, this early in the game she's got two and two halves reads on players. Don't like the disclaimer at the end, though.

Brig gets down to business quick. I'm a big fan. She's calm, confident, and pushing pretty much everything. Also she's paying attention. This pings me pretty hard as town.

Reck takes 31 seriously in 81. 31 looks like a joke post, and pretty obviously so, IMO, so this looks bad on him.

Skitter also takes 31 seriously. Maybe I'm not obvious enough?

99 shows Brig is paying attention again

106 and 107 read as Reck just posting as he thinks, which reads kinda town to me, but 110 and 111 read as him taking it too far, and at this point it looks kinda fabricated

121 from NMSA feels just WRONG. How has no one else done anything AI to you, but multiple other people have established several reads already? The vote feels pretty OMGUS-y as well.

I'm really not ideal. I've played this identically to 1917 so far, where I was town. Same thing here.

You've made one post at this point.

u r a person 2 follows up to NMSA as I would expect

198 poses a pretty stark contrast to 193 where NMSA calls urap2 scummy and then votes brig

tictac shares his thoughts, everything there is coming across townie

tris is paying attention, 238

269 feels uselessly aggressive. Reck is pinging me harder as scum

i like 281 and 283 from tris - she's asking about things that are happening that aren't necessarily popular w/ everyone else

nimeuh and flubb both ping me as kinda towny on the same page, but neither are making posts that they couldn't make as either alignment

294 reads as pretty towny for me, though, actually. flubb is probably town

297 also reads as sincere for urap. doesn't make up reads on the spot to look townier.

305 pings me again ... i don't like being emotional and i don't like it when others do the same

tris on the same page seems to be trying ---

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after this i stopped trying to do stream of consciousness and reads at the same time

Lady Angel and Nimueh

- Both of you need a larger post count. Lady Angel seems to be specifically avoiding posting any thoughts whatsoever, and Nimueh seems afraid of sharing thoughts that aren't universal. Here's three questions for you:
1. What do you think of skitter vs reck in the opening couple pages?
2. If you could lynch three people right now, who would it be and why? I just need a couple words from both of you
3. How comfortable do you feel playing scum?

Flubb

's post count is also rather low. You're null, but if you could answer #2 and 3 above that would be great.

tris

is kinda null, actually. talk about who you'd lynch and why, please? Actually, talk about skitter and your thoughts on Bronson's posts.

Reck

After rereading the opening from Reck, his posting seems like he's trying to get away with a tunnel all game. He's posted pretty much nothing outside of the posts against me, and he's kinda lurking while the NMSA wagon slowly withers. It wouldn't surprise me if they were partners, but I don't know that case 3.5 seems too likely, he had already gone too far in earlier posts. I think I will settle for case 3.

Spoiler: Case List for Reck

Update:

Still trying to decide if Reckoner:
1 seriously thinks he caught scum on page 1
2 is pushing cuz he's town and legitimately doesn't know better
2.5 is pushing cuz wagons are good for analysis
3 is gonna try and tunnel me all game so he doesn't have to pay attention and post content
3.5 is pushing me cuz NMSA is his buddy

NMSA

Talked about his posting in stream of consciousness, but don't like his vote on Brig, don't like his vote on urap2, he seemed OMGUS-y at first, his posts felt contrived and fake, but he says he's trying something and he posted reads.

rn trying to play more confident and deliberately provoking arguments.

Talk about this.

U r a person 2

His posting feels genuine, actually. His push on NMSA doesn't seem to be in an effort to ignore the thread, because he engaged skitter/reck in the discussion. I liked the discussion I had with him earlier, and he seems to be sincerely sorting. Town

skitter

prior to reading branson, skitter reads strong town. she's asking questions, actively sorting, and applying herself. she looks like she did in the game that just ended.

Brig

Town. I'm tired, don't wanna put words down. She's town. If she's scum, I give up game's over I'm going home

tictac

reads as null, too. I like that his 370 and i haven't seen anything i don't like from him tris or flubb, but none of them have anything that really can't be scum or can't be town. I don't know. I'll review them again tomorrow, I think.

Branson

It is glaringly apparent that Branson is applying herself. Town for effort. I'm going to keep reading tomorrow, after I respond to some of her posts.

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This skitter case is going to be a huge headache to put into words without relying on my usual tactics to get my points across, but I'll try.

1. I believe #70 post is the scummiest post in the entire game so far, minus other posts that came by later... which are also by the same slot (and I will get to those later).
1a. The question to flubber is an empty nothing question.

You're talking about skitter's response to tris' flubber vote, right?

I think Reck's push is a lot more town than Skitter's is. At the very least, the thought process behind it (and from what little I know about how he plays from a long while back) looks a lot more genuine and naturally occurring from a town mindset.

I'm not interested in wagoning you because I'm thinking that you are town right now.

Talk about 110 and 111. Do both of those also look natural to you? Or is it more of a "Reck looks natural because skitter looks awkward and there's no way they're scum together"?

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I mean 111 and 112. Darn it.

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hello again, i didn't expect to be unavailable for the opening of this game. i hate when that happens.
u2's posts on this game feel kind of wooden. i misread him in the only other game we have together so i'll take that with a grain of salt, but yes.

pedit: oh, you're both online.

the continued conversation between u2 and Enter makes me want to pit u2 as town as well. i need to actually dig into that later but i have other things to do.

i don't know anything about tris besides join date, but i'm guessing that's either someone's alt or someone with experience. i wish i had a read there, was going to say tris is pinging me a bit but the request for questions directed towards them feels towny to me and it might just be the question-heavy style i don't like.

skitter: do you happen to have a read on me? i lack a good one on you.

What changed between these two?

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VOTE: Reckoner

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@enter I'm with you voting on Reck, and I'm eager to see and support this play style of yours. Why did we move off of chara?

I like your style.

Branson recently starting pushing skitter over something that happened a while ago that we never really sorted.

In response, in my reads post I asked a lot of people to take a side, skitter or reck. I don't think they're mafia together, so we sort one, we sort both. Branson is pushing skitter so I'm providing counter-weight so we can see who jumps on where and try and sort them in the process of sorting reck.

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This is town, chara. He's voting with me because he's town and he's trying to sort me and help me

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Calling this a buddy attempt is a bit of a stretch, I think. It makes pretty good sense in context.

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Talk about Reck and Skitter, chara. You think they're both town?

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Am I reading you correctly in that you think there is probably one in {skitter, reck}? Why couldn't they both be town?

They're not both scum. They could both be town, but I doubt reck is. People are pushing skitter. I think my reck push will reveal scum - hence clearing skitter.

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Ok rn Lynch order (and sort order ) today for me:

NMSA -> Reck -> Lady Angel -> Nimueh -> flubb

A lot of these are lurkers. If you're in this list let's talk. I especially want you on one side or the other of the skitter/reck wagon

Chara you shared on nimueh how do you feel about the other low post count players. Flubb, Lady Angel does anyone know either of them and know if they're likely to play like this as scum?

Pedit please talk to me flubb. Why did you vote and unvote reck?

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The number of people trying to put wagons on u r a person 2 rn makes me feel better about lynching NMSA today

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Please point out where I called you town, NMSA

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You quoted a lot of me calling you scum and then accuse me of flipping from calling you town but I never said or thought you were town.

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This is town, chara. He's voting with me because he's town and he's trying to sort me and help me

Calling this a buddy attempt is a bit of a stretch, I think. It makes pretty good sense in context.

Nah, it doesn't really to me. This sounds like scum covering their bases in case someone calls them out. I hate to doubt urap's reads, since they seem to be accurate in my experience, I'm starting to think urap is either wrong, scum, or we're reading two different games.

You think urap2 and I are scum together?

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You don't directly, but you imply that you find my assertion about playstyle reasonable and that you like that I gave a readlist in 450.

Yes. Because scum players do town things. That's how the game goes. That's not a read change. I didn't say I liked your reads list. I liked that you put forth the effort. I was willing to give you space. You misrepping my posts on you is really frustrating. Please stop and just go back in your hole so you can wait for your lynch if you're not going to start posting who your buddies are.

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I was kinda hoping you'd try and sort the game so we can figure out who's going where, but instead of that you decide to try to tunnel me and not even pretend to sort. Nice.

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* Chara's fine, I guess. Not being around for the start and just coming in and giving retrospective sort of viewpoints feels hard to read.

TOWN
branson
skitter
chara

Talk about this progression please

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"There's no resistance to NMSA lynch"
-can't get vote to L-1
-At least three people calling the head of the wagon scum
:eyeroll:

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Also Brig was here!

I don't wanna L-1 until I catch up, but consider it informal.

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I'll L-1 when I get back from work unless we're doing nothing and I can L-1 while I'm at work.

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hi guys quick post while I got time! I know urap2 and enter missed me =)

You remind me of someone else on site.

I wanted to go into a lot of the posts i missed but i think that will have to wait till friday. Right now just wanted to say some of my read changes and go into a little bit about them.

I am scumreading Branson. I am leaning scum on Chara, least confident here on this read change. I am townreading Reckoner.

Branson I looked through the posts and was trying to dissect the thought process. Not sure it was all there. She says she is going by logic but the logic seemed to have been by intuition or make it up as you go. For instance the feelings on reckoner town, and the case against skitter I thought was trying to logic a case on how someones actions don't make sense without thinking of it made sense from that persons perspective which didn't sit right with the whole thinking as reckoner and other comments made on skitter.


Reckoner has a different approach to this game than I would, he is reading players who go against consensus like branson as that is town which to me is bad play, and when you think of his reads in these terms you go "why is he not townreading Enter as town for that mindset?" but i think this is due to his overal tendency to skim thread. Not do any deep analysis and i don't think their is a scummy fake positioning here. Call that intuition. I think theres definitely sorting going on even if i think its low level.


Chara is...I don't know how to express this. Odd? Reading Chara posts and I see like an invisible barrier between it and everyone they are talking to. I dont know if this is normal. Could be as they say they are busy. But I don't see the need for this barrier even though your busy. And I know this perception of the posts but I see it in almost every post. I don't know what to make of it. I am not sure on the scumhunting because of this barrier I see. It just makes me think scum putting up a barrier.


Still town: Enter, urap2, skitter.

Still scum: NMSA


Also I disagree with Triss townreads. Not sure why people are townreading her but i don't scumread her so not feeling worth arguing over that.

Hm. Do you know/have you played with Branson/Reck before? I'm curious why you're hard on Bran but easy on reck. Chara is definitely disengaged. The only player here I have any certainty on in my reads is Reck, so I'm interested in the way you're reading them. I'm actually pretty aligned to read Reck as scum - particularly because he's now pushing lurkers. Branson/Ank I flip back and forth on a lot. Chara I'm just going to give more time to, I think. Pretty frustrated with how close so many of the players are to null for me, though. I think the flip will help things make a little more sense.

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Chara be all the controversial in the world =)

Just want you to be engaged because I have hard time reading disengaged <3

i want to be controversial, that i'm not now is the problem.
Enter's towny, skitter's towny, you're towny. even u2 is towny. there's nothing i find particularly in need of correcting. i could be paranoid of one of those but i'm simply not feeling that.

Ank/Branson and Reck. Talk about them.

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I know who Brigitte is.

i don't find Branson especially towny, which is sort of the same as being fine with others finding her scummy. i'm having trouble actually sorting the slot.

and u2 voting nmsa is exactly what he said he wanted to be doing, so i feel no need to insult him. :> plus, he's nice.

this is why I push wagons I don't necessarily believe in. Put her in situations where she has to make decisions. Especially if you're finding it hard to find some way to be engaged, pushing someone and asking her to join you means she has to share thoughts, or pushing her means she has to defend herself. Either way you get a better feel for the slot.

PEdit why post that

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The number of people not caught up needs to change.

Ank: my gut reads scum, my head reads maybe town. I like the vote switching yesterday, I think. Reads kinda like flailing not knowing who to vote which shouldn't be happening as scum. I like temporarily sleeping reck. I think? I like pushing urap2 just in the fact that it's controversial and too scummy to be scum in a way.

I don't like that she called skitter scum and then didn't push and doesn't know who to vote. Did your read change on skitter, ank? I don't like that most of her analysis seems to be about her own town/scum game. And I don't like that I feel like she's always making excuses to catch up.

PEdit: you have BoP

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So basically read you as scum. Got it.

What is a BoP scumread

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PEdit: you have BoP

That's what I assumed this was

Am I wrong?

I think you're wrong. I said you have BoP to say why you'd post like "I'm in my range to be scum or town rn"

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But TBH if you could also take BoP as far as whether or not you're scum that would be great. It's not like your stuff is really null, it's all pretty town or pretty scum.

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VOTE: NMSA

L-1

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tris and reck are virtually locktown

Black and white are both white.

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Pushing controversial reads/stances is more likely to come from scum me

It really is irking me you describe your scum play like this. And that is the play you are doing right now.

Yeah we flip her next

PEdit no kidding

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The sad part is I actually believe in Lal, but not when I have the chance to bag d1 scum

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I don't think tris specifically gambits a fake hammer and then plays like she did

it's an awkward progression

Unless she did it for towncred cuz she knows NMSA flips scum

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Ank is selling towncred and reck is buying it up.

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unless you think tris would leave an rvs vote for as long as she did without specifically doing anything related to that push?

there's like zero towncred to get from the NMSA lynch for her and the fake hammer is more of a towncred multiplier than a flat towncred boost

Ank doesn't give town cred for gambitting fake hammers for reads on the lynchee. Got it.


Reck looks more like town, ank looks more like scum. That's what that means

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so your two scumreads

are me
and my top scumread

nice

I, too, have played mafia for years and don't know what distancing or bussing are.

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i really feel like you're going out on a limb to call tris town for that, ank. i dont see it

Yeah you're looking a lot more like town

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why would I need to distance this hard

the scumreads I had on me at that time are trivial to get rid of and urap2 was in a decent spot

why would I go this far to distance of all things instead of just doing what people asked me to and just made up reads

Ask flubb. I think urap is strong town. I'm just saying you're being dumb pretending to not understand a lot of basic elements of mafia rn and it's not a good look

Pedit you're more town cuz you see through her fake posts

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Whatever I need a break, too, I'll be back later

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I'm gonna be honest I'm mad at you ank it's prolly just cuz you're disagreeing with me and I really wanna read you as scum right now but my brain says your play makes sense as town. Please let's just flip NMSA. I haven't got scum d1 in so long.

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Reck I would love to bring back Lynch all lurkers, lynch qll liars, lynch all sled voters, but not this game. Look at NMSA. Point out a post that makes him town

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Reck I would love to bring back Lynch all lurkers, lynch qll liars, lynch all sled voters, but not this game. Look at NMSA. Point out a post that makes him town

that's not how burden of fucking proof works

chances are, he's town
it's on the CHORUS OF PEOPLE SCREAMING THAT HE'S SCUM to present a compelling case, which absolutely ZERO of you have done

Turns out it goes both ways. The only argument for him being scum is resistance which there's a surprise large amount of for this to be a solid argument.

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uhhh no. that's not how it works.

let me show you a really cool object lesson to help you understand:

You guys: NMSA IS SCUM
Me: what why
You guys: AHA DONT YOU SEE THEY WONT AGREE WITH US THEREFORE WE MUST BE RIGHT

now i want you to point me to me in the diagram where this all falls apart from a logic standpoint

You're right let's just ignore the parts of my argument that make the other parts make sense and reconstruct it so it totally misses the point and then make fun of that instead of what I ACTUALLY said.

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Gut says: NMSA/Ank
Brain says: NMSA/lurker

They rarely agree. I'll compromise if I have to. I don't want Nimeuh / Lady Angel in LyLo if this is how they're gonna be. But NMSA seems to be intentionally avoiding conversation on anyone not pushing him. The one weird difference was when he started pushing Ank out of nowhere. Not sure what that means but I'm gonna try not to draw associatives before the flip.

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I figured it out:

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NotMySpamAccount(5)

~ tictac(13), Flubbernugget(28), u r a person 2(145), Enter(132), tris(65)

Ankamius(2)

~ skitter30(91), Brigitte(81)

tris(1)

~ xRECKONERx(68)

skitter30(1)

~ Chara(35)

Nimueh(1)

~ Ankamius(98)

Enter(1)

~ NotMySpamAccount(25)

Brigitte(1)

~ Lady Angel(3)


Not Voting (1): Nimueh(4)

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It logged Reckoner's vote as tris. My bad. Sorry. I fixed it

Also just wanted to clarify that I'm not the mod I dont' think I'm the mod I'm not trying to be the mod, I'm literally copy pasting out of the scrubber

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NotMySpamAccount(6)

~ tictac(13), Flubbernugget(28), u r a person 2(145), Enter(133), tris(65), xRECKONERx(68)

Ankamius(2)

~ skitter30(91), Brigitte(82)

skitter30(1)

~ Chara(35)

Nimueh(1)

~ Ankamius(98)

Enter(1)

~ NotMySpamAccount(25)

Brigitte(1)

~ Lady Angel(3)


Not Voting (1): Nimueh(4)

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

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Do you still think Ank is scum?

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Both of you drive me crazy.

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I'm confused by this. It seems from your other posts that you have other reasons for voting NMSA, but then you're saying this

I do. I was just mad at rock for being inconsistent and wanted him to backup his town claim

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Especially because it's pretty apparent he hasn't been paying a whole lot of attention

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So uh this is embarrassing


and I think I might get mislynched for the first time this day phase as a result lolMy bad, like, not even upset if that happens


but nmsa is town LOL

UNVOTE:

You're going to have to say more than this.

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VOTE: ank[/v]

I'm willing to wait a bit for lurkers to get replaced, though, otherwise I'm down with LaL. I think both of them have probably been prodded and they're both well past the replace time.

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VOTE: ank[/v]

I'm willing to wait a bit for lurkers to get replaced, though, otherwise I'm down with LaL. I think both of them have probably been prodded and they're both well past the replace time.

VOTE: ank

Reads list please.

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VOTE: ank[/v]

I'm willing to wait a bit for lurkers to get replaced, though, otherwise I'm down with LaL. I think both of them have probably been prodded and they're both well past the replace time.

the fuck did I lie about

Wrong LaL.

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VOTE: nimueh

Shouldn't we wait for replacement?

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I am starting to come down with a cold. Someone heal me!

I used to be a corpsman, don't worry, I've got you. Here, take some Motrin.

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Someone saying Brig is scum please talk about it?

VOTE: tictac

We can do this for now. I need to take a closer look at Ank anyways.

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tictac(3)

~ u r a person 2(180), xRECKONERx(75), Enter(145)

Brigitte(2)

~ Elbirn(7), Chara(72)

Ankamius(2)

~ skitter30(116), Brigitte(94)

u r a person 2(1)

~ Flubbernugget(46)

NotMySpamAccount(1)

~ tictac(13)

Flubbernugget(1)

~ Ankamius(150)

Enter(1)

~ NotMySpamAccount(26)


Not Voting (2): Nimueh(4), tris(73)

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Day 1 deadline is in (expired on 2019-03-08 00:58:59)

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Disclaimer: I'm not the mod I don't think I'm the mod I'm just trying to help out

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tictac(3)

~ u r a person 2(180), xRECKONERx(75), Enter(145)

Brigitte(2)

~ Elbirn(7), Chara(72)

Ankamius(2)

~ skitter30(116), Brigitte(94)

u r a person 2(1)

~ Flubbernugget(46)

NotMySpamAccount(1)

~ tictac(13)

Flubbernugget(1)

~ Ankamius(150)

Enter(1)

~ NotMySpamAccount(26)


Not Voting (2): Nimueh(4), tris(73)

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

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I think it's a good sign the thread is so active but we've got too many different wagons going for me to viable keep track of all of what's going on, so let's do this:

Everyone please post a reads list and a quick case for whoever your vote is on right now.

I'll be back tomorrow to catch up and do the same.

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Who is currently voting tictac that was on NMSA wagon? Unfortunately, there’s no VC for that.

There is, it's in my ISO.

I think everyone on tictac rn was on NMSA but I'm not certain, I know me, urap, reck were all on both wagons

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VOTE: Nimueh

Anything to say about someone other than NMSA (Or I guess tictac)?

I’ve V/LA because I haven’t been feeling well, so no I’m not caught up yet but if this is your sole reason for for voting me, it isn’t a town one.

VOTE: Tris

I disagree pretty strongly, actually.

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VOTE: Nimueh

Anything to say about someone other than NMSA (Or I guess tictac)?

I’ve V/LA because I haven’t been feeling well, so no I’m not caught up yet but if this is your sole reason for for voting me, it isn’t a town one.

VOTE: Tris

Alright, fair enough.
UNVOTE:

That was fast.

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VOTE: Nimueh

Anything to say about someone other than NMSA (Or I guess tictac)?

I’ve V/LA because I haven’t been feeling well, so no I’m not caught up yet but if this is your sole reason for for voting me, it isn’t a town one.

VOTE: Tris

I disagree pretty strongly, actually.

If she had stayed on me for that reason, I’d be right.

Considering gamestate right now, you'd be wrong. Just quick check, what's going on right now that would make her vote on you super relevant?

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I can think of two reasons right now why Nimueh s reaction to tris is bad, and one of them I know she knows the answer to.

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VOTE: nimueh

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@Enter, any particular reason, you ignored this post?

I didn't, you posted that after anything I've posted today.

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I can think of two reasons right now why Nimueh s reaction to tris is bad, and one of them I know she knows the answer to.

VOTE: nimueh

Yeah because I actually am not feeling well and your vote is bad.

Bad as in wrong, not scummy.

...

What.

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1. People are answering your questions
2. You haven't answered mine
3. That is, in no way, a lolvote

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What do you mean, “what”?

Wrong as in you’re actually WRONG but I didn’t find your reasoning scummy

I get what you're saying. I'm saying you're being dumb.

I highly recommend you do your very best to answer my question now.

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@Enter, any particular reason, you ignored this post?

I didn't, you posted that after anything I've posted today.

So, you’re here now. Do you tr Rec? He put NMSA at L-1.

Yes, and yes..

496 and it's following two posts read as town to me. The only excuse I could find for his LaL push would be if he was trying to redirect wagon off NMSA, and conserving he put NMSA at L-1 that seems highly unlikely

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How is it not obvious to you? Are you deliberately being dense here?

"I don't like other people voting me, so they shouldn't vote me. I don't want to call people scummy because I'm scum and I don't want the extra attention, and in addition, I don't want to answer people's questions about my ridiculous behavior so I'm going to call people dumb instead."

Tell me why Tris vote on you was good before I answer for you.

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What pinged you?

Other than the L-1, at this point just a gut read. That’s why I’m asking and not voting.

"I want to know if other people will push this wagon with me because I'm scum and care more about being liked than I do actually scumhunting"

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@Enter, any particular reason, you ignored this post?

I didn't, you posted that after anything I've posted today.

So, you’re here now. Do you tr Rec? He put NMSA at L-1.

Yes, and yes..

496 and it's following two posts read as town to me. The only excuse I could find for his LaL push would be if he was trying to redirect wagon off NMSA, and conserving he put NMSA at L-1 that seems highly unlikely

It's more than two. It's that post chain that reads as town frustration.

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Alright, time's up.


You called tictac lynchbait but you think someone putting their vote on someone who hadn't really posted much at all is bad?
And you're only concerned with people getting their votes off of you, not concerned with why people put their votes there in the first place.

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I'm sorry if I find it hard to believe that coming in the game thread after like five days of not posting (and before that posting almost nothing at all) and telling people to take their vote off you because you don't feel well is justifiable in any sense of the word.

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Alright, time's up.


You called tictac lynchbait but you think someone putting their vote on someone who hadn't really posted much at all is bad?
And you're only concerned with people getting their votes off of you, not concerned with why people put their votes there in the first place.

Get back to me, when you’ve actually read my posts. Thanks.

Would you mind specifying what I haven't read instead of saying that I didn't? Oh, you can't, because I have read and you have no excuse for the crap you've been posting.

Alright, time's up.


You called tictac lynchbait but you think someone putting their vote on someone who hadn't really posted much at all is bad?
And you're only concerned with people getting their votes off of you, not concerned with why people put their votes there in the first place.

You're harping on someone that just got into the game before they can get a full grasp of it, and it's a bad look.

What about you, do you think urap is scumhunting too?

Why do you object to my Nimueh push but you didn't object to the tictac votes? Nimueh is in the game thread posting scummy things and tictac isn't here at all and hasn't been for several days. How do you justify not being here most of the week with exemption from presure?

I'm sorry if I find it hard to believe that coming in the game thread after like five days of not posting (and before that posting almost nothing at all) and telling people to take their vote off you because you don't feel well is justifiable in any sense of the word.

Are you going to keep misrepping me, because it’s starting to get annoying.

At least have the decency to direct quote me because you’re clearly not reading what I said.

Quote me where I misrep you.

VOTE: Nimueh

Anything to say about someone other than NMSA (Or I guess tictac)?

I’ve V/LA because I haven’t been feeling well, so no I’m not caught up yet but

if this is your sole reason for for voting me

,it isn’t a town one.

VOTE: Tris

@Enter, READ!

I didn't know it was possible to take yourself out of context until just now.

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I can think of two reasons right now why Nimueh s reaction to tris is bad, and one of them I know she knows the answer to.

VOTE: nimueh

Yeah because I actually am not feeling well and your vote is bad.

VOTE: Nimueh

Anything to say about someone other than NMSA (Or I guess tictac)?

I’ve V/LA because I haven’t been feeling well, so no I’m not caught up yet but if this is your sole reason for for voting me, it isn’t a town one.

VOTE: Tris

I disagree pretty strongly, actually.

If she had stayed on me for that reason, I’d be right.

How is it not obvious to you? Are you deliberately being dense here?

"I don't like other people voting me, so they shouldn't vote me. I don't want to call people scummy - if their reasoning for voting me doesn’t ping me as scummy, because I'm town and I don't gaf about the extra attention, and in addition, I don't want to answer people's questions about my justifiableable behavior so I'm going to call people WRONG instead."

Tell me why Tris vote on you was good before I answer for you.

FIFY

It obviously wasn’t, which is why I voted her.

But she didn’t keep it on me for those reasons I didn’t tr, so I unvoted her.

Huh, it's almost like I was right in what I said earlier. Weird.

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If you’re going to keep ignoring what I’m saying, I won’t waste my time responding to you.

I'm responding directly to what you're saying and using quotes to back it up. The irony here is that you're misrepping my case on you and then arguing against that instead of actually arguing my case on you, all while accusing me of misrepping you.

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Instead of saying things as they are (when they're not) please quote yourself (and not out of context) because this is getting ridiculous. Maybe when you go back and look at what's happening you'll recognize that feeling bad is not a viable reason to be exempt from scummy play and that you're saying a bunch of words that aren't true and that you'd have an awful hard time backing up with posts.

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If you’re going to keep ignoring what I’m saying, I won’t waste my time responding to you.

I'm responding directly to what you're saying and using quotes to back it up. The irony here is that you're misrepping my case on you and then arguing against that instead of actually arguing my case on you, all while accusing me of misrepping you.

You said that I’m sr votes on me for being unwell and when I prove that is bs, you persist on disregarding it.

No, I'm not. I'm saying you seem to think the votes on you are BAD (not sr). Please READ.

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You called tictac lynchbait but you think someone putting their vote on someone who hadn't really posted much at all is

bad

?
And you're only concerned with people getting their votes off of you, not concerned with why people put their votes there in the first place.

Here, I've made it easier for you to read. Do you want me to make it bigger, too?

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Instead of saying things as they are (when they're not) please quote yourself (and not out of context) because this is getting ridiculous. Maybe when you go back and look at what's happening you'll recognize that feeling bad is not a viable reason to be exempt from scummy play and that you're saying a bunch of words that aren't true and that you'd have an awful hard time backing up with posts.

I give up. Just ignore me because you’re not listening to anything I’m saying and I’m not feeling well enough to keep banging my head against a brick wall.

Well you're not going to get very far if you don't read a word of what I'm saying.

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Because I know my alignment.

That's not what you said earlier.

Also the argument that you know your alignment therefore no one else should vote for you is so dumb. Congrats, everyone in the game knows their alignment.

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Please do my my sanity's sake as well

Are you planning on responding to my questions at all?

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I literally...LITERALLY just said people need to stop sitting on wagons with no cases. Maybe if you stopped spam posting every chance you got and actually READ something once, there wouldn't be constant bouts of inactivity that are partially the work of an apathy you keep causing?

Sorry, missed this in the cloud of confusion that is the stubbornness of Nimueh.

Do talk about these bouts of apathy, I'm fascinated.

And you didn't JUST say it, because it's not anywhere near here in your ISO, unless you'er trying to talk about this:

This is infuriating. You all need to at least start casing your wagons if mine aren't good enough.

Which hardly seems to be conveying the same message.

You just keep up that faux anger, though, that'll get you SUPER far.

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By hardly conveying the same message, I mean to say that I'd really like to know how

This is infuriating. You all need to at least start casing your wagons if mine aren't good enough.

is the same as saying you object to the tictac votes.

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Right off the top of my head the game has settled on a lurker wagon despite it being page 46, and elbrin is struggling to catch up.

And I'm sorry, point me to what other wagon that could

possibly

be about other than tictacs.

Pedit: every single vote on that wagon is some garbage troll vote and you know it. Stop playing dumb.

Saying THIS is a lot different from saying "start casing your wagons" and you know it.

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Sorry, missed this in the cloud of confusion that is the stubbornness of Nimueh.

Pot meet kettle.

You ignoring my posts and strawmanning my arguments is very different from me trying to figure out why you're repeatedly claiming scum.

Just because you learned big words to spout doesn't make any of them true.

PEdit: look who isn't reading

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I mean votes without explanations really arent acceptable towards the late game phase

You're right, my bad. No one said anything about tictac pinging them and absolutely NO ONE said ANYTHING about LaL!

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You debunked nothing. Ignoring my posts and arguments will get you nowhere. Spamming the thread with your falsified claims of refutation does nothing to hide your idiocy. Calling me names because you're incapable of reading and understanding (or because you choose not to) only worsens your condition.

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I’ve been really nauseous and I’m trying to get caught up but I can’t read 47 pages rn. Can anyone actually interested in funding scum/not blindly deathtunnelling me, help me get more into the game, please?

I think it would suck to get mislynched just because my being unwell prevented me from having a confident grasp of the current gamestate.

No one is blindly deathtunneling you. Stop making excuses for your crappy play. You're responsible for at least two of those pages, and it would have been only two posts instead of two pages if you were playing competently in any sense of the word.

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Nope. I'll blame you for really crappy play, but your role wasn't your fault. I'm glad you came out and claimed scum, though, it makes my job a million times easier.

I'm not ignoring anything, in fact, it's because I read every ignorant word you write that I can say with utter certainty that you are scum. A town player would actually have a viable response to my posts instead of quoting themselves calling me names as attempts at rebuttal.

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P.edit. What part of I’m feeling nauseous did you also not read? Yes, fair, when I don’t feel like constantly throwing up, I do play better. Good job.

Is English your second language?

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I really want to hear other people’s reads and cases because Enter is hurting town by completely refusing to help me get into the game and clearly has no interest in correctly sorting me.

@Enter, What are you going to do when I flip town? Continue to blame me or actually try to find scum?

You won't flip town. I've tried to sort you, but instead of responding to my posts, you make excuses and claim you feel sick and then quote yourself calling me names. I even gave you plenty of time to answer my question, you posted multiple times in between. Instead of answering it, however, you ignored it, so I answered it for you.

You refuse to work with me or help me sort you at all. Stop trying to put the blame on me. It's not my fault your PM is red.

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Me: why did you do this, min?
Nim: can't you read?
Me: Please answer the question
Nim: I feel sick
Me: here's teh answer, and why you're scumm
Nim: I know my alignment
Me: everyone knows their own alignment, good job
Nim: you're dumb
Me: answer this other question pls
Nim: i feel sick
Me: youre scum cuz this
Nim: you're not reading *quotes irrelevant post*
Me: taht's irrelevant, here's what i'm actually saying *quotes posts*
Nim: I feel sick
Me: ANSWER My QueStIONS PlS
Nim: You're not reading
Me: You're obviously scum cuz you have no answers
Nim: I know my own alignment, you're pushing a mislynch

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I found a broken tape recorder and it's got speech to text on. That's what happened.
No I'm not gonna hear the "this is TvT" what town reason does she have to evade questions like this?

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I need a break. I'm going to rip the screen off my laptop if I hear any more of this braindead nonsense.

PEdit: yeah i don't have the capacity to deal with you right now.

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The funny thing is I came to the thread to try to get everything sorted out cuz this game is a mess. thanks nimueh for claiming scum

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There was a WEEK of gameplay before you got here, Nimueh, and you've been here a couple hours. Your narcissistic belief that the game thread revolves around you baffles me. I've pushed other slots, I've read other slots, and I have a reasonably decent reads list all of which are things that cannot be said for you. I'm not death tunneling you, you came in here halfway through the game day and you pretend that nothing has happened but my read on you. The fact that you're so stubbornly blind to the fact that EVERYONE ELSE has been reading this game and developing repertoire with the other players (except elbirn) is ridiculous to me. There is more to this game than the few pages since you showed up. I know some people don't like to roll scum, but that's no excuse for throwing the game because of it. Get your head out of your rectum and play the game and quit with this ignorant crap. It's disgusting and annoying.

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@urap fair point.
One minute and then I'll go.

You can keep insisting I’m scum until hell freezes over and continue to insult me to excuse you terrible play since I started posting more but it doesn’t make it true.

You have the lion’s share of this blame. At least I’m sick, what’s your excuse?

I excuse nothing and I make no excuses because I'm not a child that has to blame everything wrong that I do on my environment - on my sickness or on the people around me.

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What I said was I didn’t think it was townie

I can think of two reasons right now why Nimueh s reaction to tris is bad, and one of them I know she knows the answer to.

VOTE: nimueh

Yeah because I actually am not feeling well and your vote is bad.

Bad as in wrong, not scummy.

Huh.

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Enter seems to be of the false impression that I’m seeking a free pass for being sick and think that should somehow make me immune from votes, which is something I’ve never even suggested.

I can think of two reasons right now why Nimueh s reaction to tris is bad, and one of them I know she knows the answer to.

VOTE: nimueh

Yeah because I actually am not feeling well and your vote is bad.

Huh.

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Enter seems to be of the false impression that I’m seeking a free pass for being sick and think that should somehow make me immune from votes, which is something I’ve never even suggested.

VOTE: Nimueh

Anything to say about someone other than NMSA (Or I guess tictac)?

I’ve V/LA because I haven’t been feeling well, so no I’m not caught up yet but if this is your sole reason for for voting me, it isn’t a town one.

VOTE: Tris

Huh.

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Sorry. I'll catch up in a minute. I popped in to check on the thread and saw I was getting misrepped again, so I decided to work through this with quotes so you guys can see where she's openly contradicting herself.

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I can think of two reasons right now why Nimueh s reaction to tris is bad, and one of them I know she knows the answer to.

Alright, time's up.


You called tictac lynchbait but you think someone putting their vote on someone who hadn't really posted much at all is bad?
And you're only concerned with people getting their votes off of you, not concerned with why people put their votes there in the first place.

This is my problem with you, Nimueh, in addition to the fact that you continue to contradict yourself.
Please stop misrepping me.

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Really mostly only interested in a Nimueh lynch right now, TBH, for reasons I've mentioned in previous posts. Why is everyone on Brigitte right now?

PEdit: yep, I fixed it. Look a couple posts above that one.

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I don’t know what your point is @Enter

That's obvious

but I know you not going to listen to anything I say anyway.

The problem is that I HAVE been listening to what you've been saying.

Thankfully, NMSA is actually trying to sort me.

The difference between me and NMSA, princess, is tone and effort. I put in more of the latter, but his former is nicer and softer for people with skin thinner than silk.

Really mostly only interested in a Nimueh MISlynch right now, TBH, for reasons I've mentioned in previous posts. Why is everyone on Brigitte right now?

PEdit: yep, I fixed it. Look a couple posts above that one.

Because I’m not scum here, Sherlock, as much as you’d like that to be the case.

Congrats, your defense of yourself is "I'm town." How long have you been playing mafia?

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@Brigitte, can you link me to one of your town and scumgames? Thanks.

This is fake.

If she wanted to actually meta Brigitte, she'd click on Brigitte and look, and then see that she has literally no other games on her account. If she actually wanted to READ Brigitte, she'd read the game thread or ISO Brigitte, both of which would bring Nimueh to this exchange right here:

What's your alt, Brigitte?

I plead the fifth.

where she'd see that Brigitte has no interest in outing her alt at this point in time.

This post was made for show alone.

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Your attitude to me is unnecessarily close to being abusive. If you can’t talk to me with civility, I won’t be responding to anymore of your posts.

This is probably the tenth time Nimueh has made an excuse for not responding to me or my arguments.

To prove that this, like most of her other posts are fake, you can see that these posts here are hostile and have a tone which displays no desire to discuss,

I don’t know what your point is @Enter but I know you not going to listen to anything I say anyway. Thankfully, NMSA is actually trying to sort me.

Really mostly only interested in a Nimueh MISlynch right now, TBH, for reasons I've mentioned in previous posts. Why is everyone on Brigitte right now?

PEdit: yep, I fixed it. Look a couple posts above that one.

Because I’m not scum here, Sherlock, as much as you’d like that to be the case.

While up until this point, my posts have showed a tone of interest in getting my point across without being misrepped

I can think of two reasons right now why Nimueh s reaction to tris is bad, and one of them I know she knows the answer to.

Alright, time's up.


You called tictac lynchbait but you think someone putting their vote on someone who hadn't really posted much at all is bad?
And you're only concerned with people getting their votes off of you, not concerned with why people put their votes there in the first place.

This is my problem with you, Nimueh, in addition to the fact that you continue to contradict yourself.
Please stop misrepping me.

Really mostly only interested in a Nimueh lynch right now, TBH, for reasons I've mentioned in previous posts. Why is everyone on Brigitte right now?

PEdit: yep, I fixed it. Look a couple posts above that one.

It's apparent she isn't interested in working through this at all, only making excuses and avoiding actual discussion.

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Your continuous self meta is useless. You realize that right?

+1
This is true. Please stop.

maybe I'm more concerned with how people get to their reads of me than what the reads are?

Your interpretation of your play is different from someone else's interpretation of your play. When did what I did at the beginning of the game, I saw like four different people explain what I did. None of them were wrong, they were all just completely and entirely different, and not the way I would have described it.

Please stop making posts telling us how to read you, because it doesn't help.

I haven’t fully read the game and haven’t seen those posts. Does she have no games under this account?

You’re really tiresome.

Considering it's on page one of the game thread, and it takes two clicks to see what games she has played (I checked immediately after you made that post), your lack of effort here is appalling. It's almost like... dun dun dun.. it's all for show.

@Enter, I will say this only ONCE, so pay close attention:

I will answer ANYONE ELSE’s questions EXCEPT YOURS

. Capiche?

Seeing as I was trying to sort you, that seems like a pretty dumb move on your part, but to each their own.

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eh im not sure ive read you as angry at all, so i dont really care about the first paragraph.

i think the criticism of "you copied your case on me from my case on you" is pretty fucking wild tbh and even if that's the case, i dont see how it's alignment indicative. like, would scum be more likely to rip a case from their accuser? it's just a weird criticism. i dont think anyone ever in the history of this game, scum or town, has said "im gonna copy my target's case". it's so wild.

"You're bad"
"You're worse"
Nope, this argument seems p valid to me, actually. It's like OMGUS but w/o a vote.

i think newbtown is an easy position to take but that doesn't make it valid.
i also think nmsa is newbtown. is it an easy statement to make? yes.
do i think it's true? yes.

brigitte is probably scum tbh. the whole "case" against you is a bunch of shit that doesn't actually track in my head but damn did she say it passionately enough for it to SEEM like there's substance

Seems p substantive to me.