Open 753: Nomination Mafia [Game Over!]

[Vedith]

I'm just glad I can't be Lynched today \o/

[Vedith]

Auro you town?

[Vedith]

Yep! Are you?

Yes i am!
So 2 confirmed town.

Now, do we think there's Scum in these 3 names or no?
And who was already Scum read of the 3?

[Vedith]

I'm just glad I can't be Lynched today \o/

Confscum, got him

I'll kill you tonight!

[Vedith]

I guess Shoshin was Scum read yesterday and was put into the 3 lynch pool.
Okay so they're town. Next?

[Vedith]

I have a minor family emergency. I don’t think I need to replace but I won’t be posting content for 24 hours probably

All the best dear friend! :<

[Vedith]

Didn’t mean to quote lol

I just took it as I scared you into voting there.
Why Volxen?

[Vedith]

Is a no lynch an option?

[Vedith]

volx is the weakest player in that pool.

Its a shit strat to gladiate yourself against a better performance, regardless of alignment.

Why can't there be 2 Scum in the list?

[Vedith]

It's a good play.
Actually, putting all 3 in would be the best option.
Sacrifice the weaker looking Scum for the game.

But you're probably right. Volxen not Scum. Probably coward Scum putting all town.

[Vedith]

That was a good post.
I actually don't want to lynch Volxen.

Spoiler:

I didn't read it because it had more than 10 words.

[Vedith]

I read the big bold parts. I'm gonna borrow that tactic, good way to make sure the important bits get read.

Did you agree with the bold parts?

[Vedith]

Volxen just hard claimed double voter.
There is no role and this is an open setup. Scum claim?

[Vedith]

The thing is, you could have copy and pasted Voxlen's post and I'd have no idea.

[Vedith]

I'm so confused.

[Vedith]

Are you town though Vedith?

No

[Vedith]

Are you town though Vedith?

No

I mean yes. Oops

[Vedith]

Why?

Because people are responding and quoting my posts and it doesn't make sense?

[Vedith]

His frustration with GrandWazoo and the game in general seemed genuine

AtE is always NAI

[Vedith]

Auro I think I'll sheep you until I have less to read.
Who's Scum in just one word?

[Vedith]

Shoshin

--
Probs all-town nom but if I had to vote *right* now I'd vote Shoshin.

Why are you not voting then?

[Vedith]

Is your vote going to rush the day then?

[Vedith]

But you didn't vote before knowing I'd sheep.
So your vote would be L3?

Voting someone indicates you think either Scum or the best lynch. Otherwise it's just fence sitting.

[Vedith]

I'm helping \o/

[Vedith]

Really busy, catch up later / tomorrow.

[Vedith]

I find this post from Vedith a bit suspect:

I'm still right.
Keep putting all the mafia in the pool and even if a second one is lynched the 3rd can coast by with the argument "Scum would never put all 3 in the pool" would even probably let the second mafia coast by too.

Would then even give scum a better chance at controlling the lynch by adding in a widely town read player.

People just don't think outside the box.

After follow the leader I'm surprised hat just actually believe that I wouldn't think like this. Best chance as Scum from all 3.

VOTE: Volxen

[Vedith]

Vedith how likely are irrel volx shoshin a team just from reads and associstive posts

There is 0% chance in my mind that they are all scum.

[Vedith]

I don't want to lynch Irrelephant, so this isn't an option today for me.

Scum on Shoshin I think though and I don't think it's DT.
Other 2 scum sitting back.

Volxen should be the lynch \o/

[Vedith]

I like his face and posts.

[Vedith]

Scum reading maybe scum after that post.

[Vedith]

You’d rather have Volxen lynched? He’s obvtown

What's obvious town there?

[Vedith]

Vedith, are you clemency’s replacement?

DemonLord I think

[Vedith]

The idea of killing the stronger townie instead of the stronger scum among a group of three likely townies doesn't make any sense by the way.

[Vedith]

I'll survive knowing that.

[Vedith]

Scum giving up thinking that was the hammer...?

[Vedith]

If there is it's Volxen.
But maybe not.

[Vedith]

Probably trying for AtE. Which is NAI.

[Vedith]

I'll do one later tonight I'm on phone.

[Vedith]

AtE when he was getting a lot of town reads and really upped his game from d1? i dont get it

He voted himself to L1. He's not going to AtE when at L1...

[Vedith]

If there is it's Volxen.
But maybe not.

if u can explain why volxen is more likely scum than shoshin, that'll be swell

I probably can't explain it, not right now at least.

[Vedith]

I won't lie, I didn't read it.
Self meta has no rellevence to me reading someone. Plus it was big words.

[Vedith]

AtE when he was getting a lot of town reads and really upped his game from d1? i dont get it

He voted himself to L1. He's not going to AtE when at L1...

He voted himself to L-2 I thought

Regardless it's AtE

[Vedith]

Self voting is AtE though.
It started because Volxen tried to shade me. So I voted \o/

[Vedith]

I just woke up \o/

[Vedith]

can u do a rainbow read for me vedith

So I was thinking and I can't do this yet.

Town
Auro
DT
Shoshin
Irrele

Scum
volxen
Fuscosco
Chen

Scum Scum
Scum reading
Alonzo

The Scum Scum just have 0 impact on my mind in this game.
If it really is an all town lynch pool Scum are staying out of the light.

[Vedith]

I don't get Scum vibes from you at all.
Alonzo I just have no regulation of even when on iso

[Vedith]

Maybe, at some point.

[Vedith]

Yes you naughty!

[Vedith]

Maybe.
I think lynching Scum reading is the way.

He was very standing out as town in that dinner game.
Here I forgot he was in the game.

[Vedith]

Yes you naughty!

do u have an opinion on your experience with my scum game there? although u got out of the game pretty early so you might not have any

I take your play with a pinch if salt as you said you weren't as active / involved as you normally would be.
I don't think content or participation is a Scum tell from you but I'm going to say, im just got to say it.

I think you are more defensive as Scum than town. And no I do not explain further on that

[Vedith]

so can we lynch shoshin today then

I think Volxen is the better lynch.
You're going to be biased here in the opinion of voting I feel, and I'm going to be biased as I town read Shoshin more than not right now.

[Vedith]

you don't think i was defensive this game?

Not since I've been reading no. You're more barky.

[Vedith]

can you explain volxen? you don't think his earlier posts were good? although i am not sure why he self voted either. could be convinced here

It didn't jump out at me.
The self vote is after the Irrelle saying to be lynched so probably an attempt to be noble if I was having my Sunday roast, but it's still NAI.

[Vedith]

I believe scumreading should be the next lynch, and Shoshin should be today's.

I do not want a volxen lynch at any rate.

Well you're the new kid in the game so you don't get a say

[Vedith]

Probabl6 Scum Chen.

[Vedith]

And what did you get?

[Vedith]

I'm not going to lie.
That's too much for me to read.

A TLDR?

[Vedith]

Ew

[Vedith]

Nobody can be that bad as town right

[Vedith]

Scum reading talk to me.
I'd love to have been town with you in this game but I don't see it.

Give me reason to not lynch you tomorrow.

[Vedith]

can u do a rainbow read for me vedith

So I was thinking and I can't do this yet.

Town
Auro
DT
Shoshin
Irrele

Scum
volxen
Fuscosco
Chen

Scum Scum
Scum reading
Alonzo

The Scum Scum just have 0 impact on my mind in this game.
If it really is an all town lynch pool Scum are staying out of the light.

[Vedith]

So she are we lynching Volxen?

[Vedith]

@Vedith, I still don't understand why you are actually scumreading me.

I can't remember.

[Vedith]

you arent being super duper town. Im only getting a light green from you for this one day.

You shouldn't even have a light green on me yet.

[Vedith]

As Shoshin as an independent read though, is it a bad vote?

[Vedith]

Busy

[Vedith]

Wheres volxen? Vedith can u tell me who out of irrel and ahoshin u want dead? U dont need to vote if u dont wanna hammer yet

Shoshin.

[Vedith]

Cab someone explain why were not voting Volxen?

[Vedith]

Can you explain why Irrel, the strongest scum player in the game, is locktown to you?

Is this to me?
I don't really lock Town players.

[Vedith]

Vedith, recap on the Volxen scum case?

I don't have a case? I just feel they flip Scum more than not.

I'll vote Shoshin if needed but I'm in no rush.

[Vedith]

VOTE: Shoshin

Since Fuscosco has pit Irrele to L1 I think I should go here.
Irrelle please stop being bad and self voting there.

[Vedith]

I think Shoshin has more of a chance as Scum than you. But no.

[Vedith]

I mean, a Volxen lynch still isn't out of the factory yet...

[Vedith]

Okay.
I done the maths here.
If there is Scum in you 3.

82% chance Volxen Scum
14% Shoshin
8% you

[Vedith]

I don't Scum read Volxen as a whole.
I just have this strong tingling feeling that if Scum in the 3 it's Volxen.

I get basically no Scum vibes from you what so ever and therefore I'm pretty confident you're town here.

There's not much to it other than I think you're the worst lynch of The 3 and you self voting with that NAI bollocks isn't going to help anything here.

[Vedith]

Nah

[Vedith]

I'll help you count down.

[Vedith]

Well that's a shame times up.

[Vedith]

Lol?
So if Irrel is lynched and you're NK Irrele should lynch me.

10/10, I promise not to ignore you all game on your survival (not true, I plan on ignoring you)

[Vedith]

Ew

[Vedith]

Don't try and back down now Shoshin
But we're lynching Scum reading tomorrow.

[Vedith]

I'm getting him lynched even if I need to have your reads proven wrong and discredited to do so.

[Vedith]

I mean you've been self-voting for a long time, you've told me repeatedly that you are confident that Shoshin is town, and you didn't want her to be lynched today. What else would you have me do Irrelephant?

Why has self voting got to do with it if you did it too?

[Vedith]

I think everyone can pretend that Shoshin doesn't exist this game.
I'll probably do that for the rest of it.

[Vedith]

I think everyone can pretend that Shoshin doesn't exist this game.
I'll probably do that for the rest of it.

Lynch her or sheep her, are my conftown suggestions to you, sir

No I'm only parking my vote on Scum Reading until one of us are gone.

[Vedith]

Tragic

[Vedith]

I can’t like prove she’s town but she’s my most confident townread and she and I have both made good cases for why she’s is town if you’d like to refresh your memories and she deserves the shot to be sheeped for two phases at least

Well you flipping town counts as 1 town.
A mis lynch tomorrow means Shoshin is 100% discredited on reads.

That's all.

[Vedith]

I'll stick to my own lynches thanks.
I already know to ignore Shoshins reads and I'm not rewarding bad reads.
It's just convincing the rest of town on another mis lynch tomorrow.

[Vedith]

VOTE: Scum reading

[Vedith]

Ill probably just prodge until the next flip now or if anything interesting happens.

[Vedith]

Scum reading and Chen.
3rd not sure yet.

[Vedith]

VOTE: Fuscosco Town flip means we listen to me over Shoshin.

[Vedith]

VOTE: Chen

Im okay with this.
Shoshin Scum might put me in with her.
If Scum reading was town he would have been in the pool 100% so at least that confirms Scum there.

Full Scum team read in order Scum reading - Chen - Shoshin.

[Vedith]

Why not Vedith?

Why not vote me?

[Vedith]

I consider you to have been ringleader on the last two lynches

This is town

[Vedith]

Yeah \o/ Do you know it then?

[Vedith]

So I only think Shoshin should be the lynch at L1 and be given a chance to stop lynching town and follow real lynches.
I'm not confident in Scum there but defending Scum reading when I know this is not town Scum reading makes me doubt Shoshin.

Also considering Shoshin is supposed to be really good at lynching Scum as town, irrel town, fusc town, me town. These reads don't match up.

[Vedith]

I'm from Hampshire (you Northern monkey!)

Well hello there neibour \o/
I just enjoy a good pie and gravy that little much more.

[Vedith]

Irrel was a townread, Vedith.

Why are you ignoring the nature of nominations, Vedith?

Again, please explain your scumread on SR.

Still lynched over Volxen which was terrible. If you're town the Volxen is most likely Scum.
It's just me knowing who Scum is. We have no reason to doubt any of my reads while with you, it's proven you're either having bad game or a different motive

[Vedith]

How do you know SR is scum?

Because I'm not using blacked out glasses to read his posts?

[Vedith]

Scum reading really is coasting of Shoshin town reading him and making very little impact as Scum while the louder players say nay nay nay.
I really want to think of you as town here Shoshin but you need to work with me and stop just throwing around bad reads.

[Vedith]

VOTE: Vedith

Auro, please don't help Vedith out in explaining his thoughts.

You either work with me or I lynch you.
You have no leg to stand on with the last 2 lynches you led.

Scum reading is Scum 100%

[Vedith]

Auro/Volx/SR/Chenn will vote you, Vedith. So actually, you have no leg to stand on.

And if you're town then you get auto lynched tomorrow on another mis lynch.
If youre Scum you get auto lynched tomorrow on another mis lynch.

So given if your'e Scum both of your buddies are in that lot, I'm not getting lynched as scum you and i think that's the only way you survive today while refusing to work with town, is as scum.

[Vedith]

I don't see any town tells from you, Vedith. Please point them out.

I don't need to point you to town tells.
Where are yours with the last 2 lynches?
Where is yours saying that Scum reading is town when this is his Scum game?

[Vedith]

Why wouldnt she?

Old friend of mine once said when you ask yourself “why would scum do that?” Then thats the exact reason why they would do it

Its all wifom

Yeah but WIFOM's only ever a good tactic for scum to use if they can get away with it.
Also Shoshin's not a WIFOM driven scum player.

Shoshin wants to win as Scum instead of keep losing. Why wouldn't she change her meta to meet that?

[Vedith]

"I never do that as scum"
While desperate to win a Scum game therefore willing to change.

Want to talk about what town you does?
Tries for a 3rd mis lynch in a row? Is that standard meta for you?

[Vedith]

Shoshin wants to win as Scum instead of keep losing. Why wouldn't she change her meta to meet that?

I don't think scum!Shoshin would have predicted a reasonable prediction of winning by nominating herself, for one, after the Fusco townflip.

Why not? Shoshin is confident here that I am lynched over her.
What makes me more likely to nominate myself as the primary lynch target today?
I'd at least put Scum reading in too.

[Vedith]

Leading a mislynch just means I was wrong about something. I don't pretend to have 100% accuracy. Nobody has that.

How often does town you mis lynch 3 players in a row?
Serious question here.

[Vedith]

Town Vedith doesn't keep making this argument that I mislynched Irrel when I townread the guy.

Yes i do. Of course I do. I do it as Scum too difference is I vote and push you over Chen here.

[Vedith]

Lynch Vedith.

If he's town, lynch SR tomorrow.

No if I'm lynched today then you are tomorrow.
You do not get away with mis lynching 3 then pushing my reads.

[Vedith]

Town Vedith doesn't keep making this argument that I mislynched Irrel when I townread the guy.

Yes i do. Of course I do. I do it as Scum too difference is I vote and push you over Chen here.

You want to lynch Chen over me?

Yes im voting Chen.
I think there's a chance you're town and your just being arrogant to spite me.

[Vedith]

Lynch Vedith.

If he's town, lynch SR tomorrow.

Weren't you locktown on SR? What suddenly changed?

If Vedith flips town, it means I was wrong about something.

Only if I flip town?
Not your entire play so far?

[Vedith]

And what are you trying to do?

[Vedith]

No, she's getting pushed as Scum because you see a nice opportu ity to jump on.
I'm not sure how you go from such a solid town read to scum from those posts.

If I was outside the window, it was look that my town read was confident in the Scum read.
That's being twisted here.

Chen is the lynch.

[Vedith]

Vedith, chen flips scum whos the team? Chen flips town where do u go?

Scum
Scum reading / Volxen(?)Shoshin(?)

Town
Scum reading / Shoshin / Volxen

[Vedith]

Why volxen?

Looks like shoshins the kill

I disagree.
You are using the bases that Shoshin appears in it twice I assume.

[Vedith]

Why volxen?

Because the rest are town?

[Vedith]

Then sheep me, Shoshin.

[Vedith]

Fuck it, I'm done with this game.

I'll stick around to sheep Auro since he's the only person making sense.

You have just changed one of your strongest town reads to a scum read like it's nothing. Do you believe you're making sense?

Of course I get paranoid of your alignment if you are willing to throw me as bait like that. It seemed like you just wanted to do anything to survive.

She never called you Scum

[Vedith]

Only if shoshin stops being absolute cancer cell itt

Unfair accusation and I wish we could concentrate on gameplay and not hurling insults at each other.

You're a shit cook. \o/

[Vedith]

What the fuck are you talking about?

This

Lynch Vedith.

If he's town, lynch SR tomorrow.

How is that a Scum read?
Scum reading trying to take opportunity here to save Chen I think.

[Vedith]

If Scum reading was town here he would be in the pool with me and someone like Auro or DT.

Volxen has already been in the pool and is under majority of radars.

Chen being in the pool with me and Shoshin as town makes sense.
Me and Shoshin argue the day, one of us gets lynched and Chen gets credit for being in a pool.

I originally wondered if Shoshin was going to push me for the hammer today but that didn't happen so overall 2 Scum in the pool with me makes little sense.

[Vedith]

Vedith, you're just swinging at everything you can to get me lynched. Other than me coasting shoshin (which has been refuted with my vote) you have nothing on me.

Get to lynching real scummies, because you're plain wrong about my alignment.

Well I'm voting Chen and you also think that's Scum.
So surely I'm doing something right in your eyes here?
What's your argument again?

[Vedith]

Scum reading, am I Scum to you or town with bad reads? You confuse me on your stance

[Vedith]

She didn't push you because you're the one leading her lynch. She backed off and started going by your reads. Isn't that pinging to you as trying to survive, especially with her defending me so hard and town reading me?

No, she said if in town. She has not once today said that she agrees with my reads.
If she's town, why would she not follow or at least look into my reads when I flipped?

[Vedith]

I originally wondered if Shoshin was going to push me for the hammer today but that didn't happen so overall 2 Scum in the pool with me makes little sense

Her vote is on you and she advocated to lynch you.

This game's fun, ngl

But not for the hammer. That's the point.

[Vedith]

This game is not fun. I hate this game.

And no, it's not because I'm scum.

Then vote Chen.
You think Scum (I think?) I think Scum so it all works out.

[Vedith]

Or maybe it's because I'm right?

[Vedith]

Scum reading, how do you feel about rainbow reads?

[Vedith]

Why is DT town, Vedith?

He was singing to me last night to help me sleep while Scum chose who to add to the pool.

[Vedith]

Isn't my meta in general fucking around?

[Vedith]

No, I don't think you'd be dodging all my questions about reads as town Vedith. It makes all your reads seem faked.

If you know my Scum meta you know I answer as Scum. I make cases as Scum.
You know that if I'm Scum here then there's actually a high chance Chen is Scum too.
And if I'm town here, there's still a high chance.

But that's only if you know my meta as well as you are pushing.

[Vedith]

I still think it's the DT/Chen/Vedith team. It's the least complicated solve. And they gave us a nice gift by nominating themselves to help us test it during even phase.

Then vote Chen.
You lose nothing by lynching Chen today over me.

[Vedith]

@Vedith, why do you think that I am scum? You’ve been talking about me being scum since day 2 and I’ve yet to see you put forth any sort of logical argument as to why you think that I’m scum. I think I was fairly towny on day 2, and beyond that I’ve explained numerous times why I was by far the most at risk at self-nominating compared to either of Shoshin or Irrelephant. You don’t even seem to read any of my posts and you keep talking as though me being scum is a foregone conclusion from your point of view. I would at least like to know why that is, because if you are town you seem to have zero interest in actually sorting my slot.

Not only have I answered this for others and yesterday several times I've also said that I'm not directly Scum reading you.
I made it clear that you had the highest chance to flip Scum 2 days ago, I never mentioned you yesterday and today I am saying Chen and Scum reading are Scum.

I have said Alonzo, DT and Auro are town.
So that leaves you and Shoshin

[Vedith]

And I made it clear that I had in fact the lowest chance to flip scum on day two because I had the most risk in self-nominating, but I believe you haven't read any of my "wallposts". So it's strictly a POE solve then. Town!Alonzo is a given, but can you explain why DoubtingThomas and Auro are two of your most confident townreads?

Okay, it didn't change my mind though.
Auro and DT from gut.

[Vedith]

I'm pretty busy until tomorrow.

[Vedith]

I don't think Chen is town.
Explain why DT Scum though? Small words for my little brain.

[Vedith]

Take a look at how you responded to me when I asked about SR. Then imagine I'm answering exactly the same.

Why does DT singing make him Scum though?

[Vedith]

The thing I don't understand here Shoshin. You're playing as giving up and yet Chen is a Scum read to you?
Why is lynching Chen over me that bad if you can just vote me tomorrow?

UNVOTE: Chen
Standard Friday night busy won't be on until tomorrow properly

[Vedith]

[Vedith]

I think I'd just prefer to be lynched and not deal with the players in this game.
Then you can sheep my reads.

[Vedith]

I changed my mind and think Chen is town.

[Vedith]

Not much to say other than I think Chen might be town.

[Vedith]

VOTE: Shoshon

[Vedith]

I'm only voting you tomorrow, scum reading.

[Vedith]

Sure.

[Vedith]

No

[Vedith]

Yes, do it.

[Vedith]

VOTE: Vedith

Get me out of this game.
Tomorrow lynch Scum Reading.

Then Shoshin who will he in the 3 to claim as town

Then work out the 3rd
My order is
Volxen
Auro
Alonzo

[Vedith]

Scum reading and Shoshin are Scum 100%

[Vedith]

Just make sure you trust my reads here and stop letting Shoshin misnlybch.
Shoshin town doesn't mis lynch 3 town

[Vedith]

Don't you only self hammer as scum?
What about Shoshin's reaction to Volxen's analysis?

No I only self hammer as town.

[Vedith]

Vedith dies with three scum on his wagon?

Of course. I got the Scum team, there's no way Scum aren't on me

[Vedith]

Actually, it probably should be

Lynch Shoshin
Lynch Scum Reading if an option, otherwise Volxen>Auro>Alonzo
Lynch Scum Reading if alive otherwise Volxen>Auro>Alonzo

[Vedith]

And remember that AtE is NAI. Don't let Scum abuse it for a town read.

[Vedith]

Thanks for the game everyone.
Town did good \o/
The remaining scum get good points for their effort as a whole and for not just leaving the game. Ank especially.

I already said on dead PT but I think scum need 1 day kill for this setup.
It's all fun though and thanks ejj for letting me sub in and for being a great mod.

You're all beautiful \o/

[Vedith]

Yeah I can see that actually.

[Vedith]

I did, it was kind of a roller coaster of emotions.