Open 753: Nomination Mafia [Game Over!]

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I haven’t read a lick of this game, but saw it needed a hero.

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Past few pages alone, I never lynch a Chennis here.

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When I looked at the day, I immediately assume that scum wouldn’t put themself up here that game, and that would make DT/Shoshin the scum team. I haven’t read the game, though. But after thinking about it, I kind of think scum puts themself up here on this one or else. If I’m correct, if this is a mislynch, we go down to 3-2, open ended, and immediately one of DoubtinfThomas/Shoshin/MySlot is lynched. I guess that essentially does a reverse nomination. Hmm. I play this variation in face to face, usually with 7, and day before potential lylo, I usually put myself for the “course scum puts me in here to make it seem like i put myself in here” kind of attitude, so without even really reading, I’m not gonna assume the team is DT/Shoshin.

Reading the last couple pages, Volxen made a decent case on Auro/DT. I’m the Auro slot, though, so I know it needs some tweaking, but I don’t believe scum put both of them nominated here.

Actually, would they? That’s not a terrible strategy. Worst case scenario, one of them gets lynched, and the other gets town cred town for being nominated alongside them. That adds a mislynch that’s necessary, though.

Scum reading is a tricky player, and pulled out a scum victory after losing their partner day one and then killing off, ironically, Xtoxm and myself after we had both become pretty conf town.

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My issue with DoubtingThomas is he’s obviously the lynch tomorrow, so if he’s town and we don’t hit scum here, we lose. I can see this from only reading the past few pages.

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DT is pretty much guaranteed to be scum from yesterday.

Hmm, okay, maybe I should just read up a bit more.

Anyone wanna summarize the game? Bullet points? Helps me with reads.

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I’ll go Alonzo today too, I guess.

If he isn’t red, that means scum have been doing some nice scum theatre.

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Easiest team is just Alonzo/DT, but I don’t think it’s that easy nor do I actually think Alonzo has a high chance of flipping red.

I just don’t want to look back and try to make a case on DT/Volxen, Volxen/Shoshin, or DT/Shoshin.

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DT/SR hasnt been doing theatre

we just need to solve last slot

Scum reading does scum theatre. We were in that game with him. I guess he just kind of let Egix die. He still swept us, though.

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sad to say flavor/dt the easiest solve rn

Okay, fair, but that’s not the easiest solve from my perspective.

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We might have to lynch Chenn today to make sure Flavor doesn't manipulate him later.

I kind of like this line of thought because townYou should be worried about that, but I also don’t like that I naturally lean town on you here.

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You're never convincing me you're town, Flavor, so what's your plan for convincing others I'm scum?

Well, I am town. What would you like me to do to help you see that you are wrong?

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As I said, there's nothing you can do. I'm immediately voting you tomorrow.

I'm curious to see what you come up with to convince others I'm scum.

Well, then, okay. If you refuse to reevaluate, then there’s really nothing I can do here. I’ll just try and game solve and hope people can see that I’m town.

I’m actually leaning towards DT/Volxen.

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So where do you think it is? Assume I’m green.

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I think there's an equal chance between Chenn/Volx.

And that’s with partner DT?

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What’s the case for townAlonzo?

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Why do you townread Alonzo?

I haven’t read the game really, I’m just trying to get more of an understanding

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It feels like I’m getting setup to make a case, then get pushed for it.

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You act like I should just automatically town read you when I see Volxen/Shoshin as a viable team that setup DT/xtoxm with SR.

Volxen/DT is my gut, though. Alonzo/DT is the easy way out.

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I don't care what your reads are, Flavor.

Interesting.

You’re playing drastically different than the town game I saw you in.

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I’ll try and do some VCA to get me in this game.

But the way shoshin’s playing looks like he knows all 3 of the nominees are town, and the fact he said me over DT shows the team is just likely DT/Shoshin.

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I cared what your reads were in the other game?

That parts the same, but you were drastically more erratic as town.

And you didn’t come at me until after I came at you, and here, you actively were the first one to start it.

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I gotta get ready to go to work, but on the commute, I’ll come back probably

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@Volxen - who do you want today?

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Or maybe you're still trying to get that 1v1 with me. You're going to lose quite badly if that's what you're looking for.

Only because I’m town.

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Lol, okay.

Either you’re pocketed hard, or you two are the scum team who painted this story.

I see why Xtoxm replaced out here.

ScumToxm doesn’t replace out as scum here. That’s tactical replacing.

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There’s literally 0% chance that the 2 scum aren’t within Volxen/DT/Shoshin, and that’s being nice.

DT is the designated mislynch for tomorrow probably, though.

Chennis was assumingly the mislynch plan for today.

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There’s always a choice to not bus.

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@Chennis/Alonzo - I’m not scum. I don’t really care too much about this game, I just saw it was Day 6, and my bud Xtoxm was the one replacing out, and I’ve been trying to get into open’s more. Take that for what you will. Both of you guys know me pretty well, I feel.

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Xtoxm replacing our screwed them, and now they’re upset.

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Xtoxm replacing our screwed them, and now they’re upset.

He replaced out because he saw that he was losing badly.

So you’re claiming he tactically replaced out?

I think you and Shoshin just painted the picture that he was scum and he got annoyed people saw him as scum. He does that.

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I obviously have conf bias, but yeah.

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Well, no, it’s not confirmed. I’m not scum.

You’ve been pushing NAI posts like they’re some confscum posts, at least what I checked in the later half of your ISO, and going “oh, yeah, that never comes from a town perspective.” Which is just flat out not true.

You push the scum weee forced to bus. Scum aren’t ever forced to bus.

I obviously can’t speak for my predeccessors, but Auro isn’t a weak player either. He was nominated for Rising Star, and you’re pushing a case of surface level scum play, which neither Auro or Xtoxm are. Xtoxm literally just won an epic scum game in a game that got nominated for game of the year.

They aren’t surface level players.

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So I guess FL has settled on the strategy of painting the scumteam as Shoshin/Volxen/Scumreading and trying to hard pocket Alonzo and Chennisden.

Pretty sure I clearly stated that DT/Shoshin, or DT/Volxen is an option.

You’re the lynch for the day, and I’ll lynch DT tomorrow. If you flipped green, then it’s Shoshin.

This is literally a non issue you are arguing.

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And if you’re town, it also doesn’t mean you’re correct with your analysis.

No, my argument here is you’re saying that the Auro slot is 100% scum, but I literally know that I am town, so i know that you are either a) town with an incorrect read or b) scum pushing a mislynch on my slot.

There aren’t any other options.

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Like if you’re scum, I completely get why you’re pushing me like this. You have to. You set it up earlier, and the replacement screwed you over.

Town replacing out sucks hard for scum.

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I put forth a DT/Alonzo team earlier as the “easy scum team” how is that appealing to Alonzo.

I also have never misread Chennis.

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And your post to Shoshin screams you helping a potential partner.

There’s zero reason for me as scum to push you as the lynch today either, because a green flip just makes me look bad.

And if I were scum, keeping both Alonzo and Chennis alive is suboptimal because then I have to convince of a separate scum pairing rather than just relying on one of them, like Chennis.

I am objectively town here, and it sucks for the scum team who had my slot completely pegged as a mislynch.

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And if you’re scummwith DT, then you’re upset that i called out your bus plan to end game, and probably wasn’t expecting to get lynched today, and you’re appealing to a Shoshin. She’s super stubborn townie who will tunnel, so that’s not a bad play at all.

I’m not even really hard pushing you 2 as for sure the scum team, so your overdefensiveness is offputting.

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Yes, I know we're on the same page, Volx.

Why are you suddenly assuming we're not?

Same page as in your 100% convinced that both FL and DT are scum? OK then.

You didn't answer my question. What made you assume we're not on the same page with respect to FL/DT?

Because he’s scum, and you’re probably town.

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I already know you're scum, FL. You can stop talking to me.

Then you’re just being bad town or you’re scum, because I’m town.

And me replying to you, isn’t necessarily talking to you. It’s me explaining my thoughts from my perspective, which is incredibly anti town to actively not have someone talk.

If you are town, that is just incredibly poor play.

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I love hearing how I'm bad at the game by caught scum.

Caught implies lynched, not scum read. And I can’t be caught scum this game, I’m town who’s been pegged as the mislynch.

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Alright, let’s get it going then, and see if that’s what happens.

I’m town, so I don’t actually have a say in the nominations and whatnot.

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Also, if i were scum, and put myself not on the nominations, I’d be screwed in 3p lylo.

And in that scenario, I lynch shoshin 100% of the time as scum, and have to deal with alonzo/Chen, which also effectively endgames me.

That’s flawed logic by you, and simply surface level.

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Lol, okay. Essentially town loses then. I’m probably just gonna lurk out then.

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I put forth a DT/Alonzo team earlier as the “easy scum team” how is that appealing to Alonzo.

I also have never misread Chennis.

yeah but rn im painfully obviously town

Well, I’m not saying you’re scum here at all. I’m town, so we just lose, though.

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I don’t even really wanna play here tbh. I’m essentially just here to be the dedicated mislynch to not allow this game to be stallled out

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And your post to Shoshin screams you helping a potential partner.

There’s zero reason for me as scum to push you as the lynch today either, because a green flip just makes me look bad.

And if I were scum,

keeping both Alonzo and Chennis alive is suboptimal

because then I have to convince of a separate scum pairing rather than just relying on one of them, like Chennis.

I am objectively town here, and it sucks for the scum team who had my slot completely pegged as a mislynch.

This is untrue. Volxen/Shoshin are sure of you as scum

Yeah, but at least one of them know that I’m actually town.

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By the way FL, how are you so certain that both Chennisden and Alonzo are town if you haven't read through the game? I have them both as strong townreads, but I've actually read through the entire game.

I said Chennis, not Alonzo.

I don’t need to read the entire game considering I know I’m town, and the current game state is showing scum are pushing me for a mislynch.