Open 753: Nomination Mafia [Game Over!]

[Alonzo]

VOTE: shoshin

[Alonzo]

L-1

[Alonzo]

Hi Clem

[Alonzo]

I don't have much respect for RC's town game, so no I don't think I would be pushing RC like that as scum wanting to 'antagonize' a strong town player, because I don't really believe RC is that strong of a town player.

I am not strongly town reading clemency, but i have been lightly town reading him, I also don't think him pushing RC makes him scum, as I am a town who has done the same thing. Furthermore, him fighting your "RC is locktown" statement, imo, felt like a townie dedicated to his previous stance on RC

Hi Doughboy

[Alonzo]

Nvm.

I think you were a little harsh on the cowbells.

Kinda townread it tho

[Alonzo]

I'd be dtl clem tomorrow...

[Alonzo]

UNVOTE:

[Alonzo]

VOTE: shoshin

L1

[Alonzo]

You worked pretty hard to send wazoo down no?

[Alonzo]

Yeah a few players packed their assets with peanut butter day 1.

So you think irrel may be scum huh?

Il read into it later, for now I'm most pinged by you

[Alonzo]

Radiant Cowbells replaces scum reading

[Alonzo]

Talking of random, what happens of all the wagons are equal at the end of the day?

[Alonzo]

We move on clems slot tomorrow.

Literally played a game with him right before this he flaked as scum.

[Alonzo]

VOTE: Volxen

[Alonzo]

VOTE: irrell

Have it your way

[Alonzo]

I was going along with the 'keep the stronger townies' narrative, but your day one iso is aslo kinda meh

[Alonzo]

It's pretty linear today tho, I'm not exactly sat here scrutinising the decision too hard.

[Alonzo]

Who's townreading Auro?

[Alonzo]

I think you need to better elaborate on some of your posts in the run up to yesterday's lynch shosh

[Alonzo]

Chem what is your full read list at this point?

[Alonzo]

Spoiler:

Alright; this game seems much different from a normal one.

For one, there's the unusually large amount of "personal" influences on this game. For instance, DT's grudge on Shoshin (which seems one-sided - I'll talk about that later in this post), and RC's replacing out.

Although it is understandably annoying to talk about these personal influences, I think we do need to look at them. For instance, I think you are all forgetting or conveniently ignoring (for scum) the fact that Shoshin egged the Wazoo lynch (and hammered!)

I don't think it's out of the question that DT is using their grudge against Shoshin so they can distance as scum. Ideally I'd vote DT for this, but this does not seem like an option.

Also, notice that Shoshin buddied RC (possibly to use him to guide mislynches). Notice that this buddying stops as soon as RC replaces out - which suggests something about meta.

While I realize this is an unlikely argument, we are presented with three bad choices. This is why I think Shoshin is most likely to be scum (as she may have put in volxen as the intended mislynch, and irrelephant to show that "scum chose town.")

VOTE: Shoshin

This is not a real read

Why makes you say this?

[Alonzo]

Sooo...

[Alonzo]

I'm gonna revisit this entire thread start to finish, as we all should, then it's action time.

[Alonzo]

4.5 days left, il be reading for two

[Alonzo]

rc smells

rc smells

what im trying to get at is
this is essentially as meaningful a reason as rc's push

Town.

[Alonzo]

Spoiler:

I might rep out this game has been awful so far and I'm just going to get lynched first nomination phase anyway

I might rep out this game has been awful so far and I'm just going to get lynched first nomination phase anyway

You asked me to sign up for this game so I'll be really upset if you leave. Also, why are you running away from the challenge of not getting lynched on first nomination phase? Are you not up to it?

Oh, nice. RC's town, then. Good read on his part.

Hey Irrel, what's your read on SR?

I'm not lynching you today

If I have my way we kill

VOTE: Clemency

And btw the only reason you survive today is that I decide the aggravation of this shitty game isn't worth it

Have you finally decided to play according to your role?

Listen, if you present a case on Clemency, I’m willing to push with you. You seem town to me, if you play like this when you are scum, then props to you man, got balls

What do you make of Clemency's earlier vote on me, putting me at L-2 inspite of townreading me?
He seems to be riling RC up intentionally now - do you see town motivation for that?

Clemency is bad, agreed. DT, not sure. Wazoo, I got a bad vibe from initially but something he said later feels town to me.

Listen, if you present a case on Clemency, I’m willing to push with you. You seem town to me, if you play like this when you are scum, then props to you man, got balls

What do you make of Clemency's earlier vote on me, putting me at L-2 inspite of townreading me?
He seems to be riling RC up intentionally now - do you see town motivation for that?

Just because people have different reads, that doesn’t automatically make them scum.

I’ve seen a few games with clemency and he has his own style, I wouldn’t be eager to scum read clemency just based on his remark, even rc admitted he’s known for his charisma, can’t blame.

As for his L-2 on you, despite being weird about it, he stated it would be for pressuring. I’m fine with that, I believe getting information on you early on is good, because we can confirm both you and Volxen as town or one of you as scum, etc, since you guys know each other the most. If you guys were both scum and confirming each other as town, that would be unfortunate, that’s a relative low probability as well though.

Shoshin is scum

I have nothing further to say until I'm hammered.

I'm not scum, RC. I'm disappointed in you.

Big dump with a broken tag.

~fixed the first quote, ejj~

At this point town RC is buckling.

Potential reasons

Exhaustive tvt with DT or tvs.
Needle from clemency.
Ate from shosh

Aside from mentioning irrell, RC doesn't commit to a read... So far..

[Alonzo]

maybe scum!RC has too much respect for his scum game to be self voting and blatnatly not participating

but i think ur treatment on RC reeks of TMI nonsense

VOTE: shoshin

RC self-votes as both alignments when he's treated unfairly.

RC's propensity to self-destruct doesn't take away from the fact that he's very good at catching scum. Please don't dismiss him just because he self-voted.

They hurt me.

stop AtE'ing RC. I do think you are a fun player overall and really good player, at least from the quite a few games (now) that we played together.

I think you are playing differently to the past games that consisted of all town games from you here, so I pushed you. I am sorry you feel that it is dogshit, but it is my honest opinion.

Your AtE has gotten me to the point to untunnel you and push someone who is hypocritically attacking me over and over again without coming up with any valuable input into the game, though

Are you scum with DT, RC?

I now feel DT/Shoshin/RC are the same alignment
All the right paranoia about w/w interactions from DT and Shoshin at all the right times

Maybe scum is just Clem/SR/Wazoo? Or something thereabouts

I think irrell knows DT /RC /shosh it tvtvt.

Irrel and shosh can you both revisit the reads you gave around page 21(early 600s) and declare if those reads are ones you want pushed day two.?

[Alonzo]

Page 25 even

[Alonzo]

Spoiler:

Damn, with all this confusion, I’ll keep in check people that are active lurking. Fus, can you post some reads? By the way, can we get over the rc theatre and try to scum hunt and not engage in stupid conversations, thanks

Damn, with all this confusion, I’ll keep in check people that are active lurking. Fus, can you post some reads? By the way, can we get over the rc theatre and try to scum hunt and not engage in stupid conversations, thanks

This looks like active lurking.

Call it lurking or trying to look for clues with this clogged thread that legit has no information except that RC is being extra AtE and not helping town. I asked if he finally decided to play his role but it seems like he doesn’t know how his role should be played. I’m asking fus of reads because i townread him by the way, and given this whole theatre, I want to see his view on it and the people that are likely to be scum.

On the contrary, I believe a few scums were quite active

Someone who townreads SR, please make a towncase. The slot feels overly self-conscious

And his scumhunting is super mechanical. Do you at any point feel like he's tried to sort me or RC?

Still tr Sr.

What about demonlord

So I'm up to here, RN I can't understand why RC is townreading scum reading.

The series of posts( I think) I linked from Sr fit very much into what I'd class as the scum hiding in the wake of a situation.

[Alonzo]

DT can you please lay out the full extent of your history with RC?

U mention you have played with him before but also express a lot of surprise at some of his actions

[Alonzo]

Scum Reading is scum. We all know this.

Ah

What page do you come in on?

[Alonzo]

Wazoo's playing pretty badly regardless of alignment.

Bad

[Alonzo]

who is the optimal rope today, from your pov? Doesnt matter why, lets do it; maybe.

I'm still re reading.

[Alonzo]

Spoiler:

VOTE: wazoo

Back here

VOTE: Fusco

Do you think Wazoo's been coached on how to behave?

what is the point of asking this question

Fusco isn't scumhunting despite presenting himself as reasonable, and he jumped on the opportunity to push an easy mislynch on RC.

RC's an exceptionally easy mislynch.

Don't worry, RC. We have the votes to lynch Wazoo, it's just a matter of timing.

Nominations make this game harder than a typical nightless. If this were a simple nightless, scum already lost.

Shosh moving on fusco is interesting. At this point we all get that RC is gonna shit the bed if he doesn't get his way...

[Alonzo]

Just reached hammer. VOTE: shoshin

All fucking day.
Iv gone full circle on this now.

[Alonzo]

Fusco/Sr Reading scummy
DL/vedith mia

[Alonzo]

Clems an enigma, but I can see him dealing with RC that way as town

[Alonzo]

Il finish this up tomorrow taking into account today's play, but d1 still reads pretty bad for shosh.

[Alonzo]

Alonzo's going to lose this game for us.

Right... Because this game was such a bastion of town cohesion and good lynches before my arrival...

[Alonzo]

This game was won before your arrival, Alonzo. If you don't follow my map to winning, we lose. Don't fuck this up.

I'm gonna re read the rest tonight

[Alonzo]

I find myself disapproving of Volxens theory one or both of clem/DT are scummy for their reactions to RC in this one.

If the theory that RC was deliberately targeted to be needled in this one is in play, we begin resolving today with a shosh lynch surely.

But I concur there are a lot of angles where shosh is a lamb to the slaughter today and scum have engineered this to at least have a chance of mislynch them today.

[Alonzo]

Irrell wasn't a strong TR for me on either read through, so I'm surprised they are considered to have been a top Tr going into night 1, I find a lot of fencesitting when I re read their iso.

Perhaps it's who they were suspicious of more than the perceived threat of a push that got them the spot? Could I see scum irrell trying to push shoshin or volx through to the next day? Hard to find AI smoking gun material either way from my POV.

[Alonzo]

Volx has invested a lot into today, shos seems like they would be saltiest about their lynch, and irrel seems most indifferent.

[Alonzo]

Do you think Shoshin is scum

What about the stark contrast in volx from D1 to d2?

[Alonzo]

Perhaps. I think of the three of you, shosh/vilx/irrel would be my order for today.

Obv your the least survivalistic today, just hope that's not a mistake on your part

[Alonzo]

VOTE: fuscocococococototo

[Alonzo]

VOTE: shoshin

I know... I'm bad blah blah

[Alonzo]

I consider you to have been ringleader on the last two lynches

[Alonzo]

Also feeling like day one the plan may have been to needle RC at shoshins command

[Alonzo]

Maybe Alonzo is scum.

If so, fuck RC.

I don't buy this fake outrage

[Alonzo]

Alonzo, your slot led the first mislynch.

I led the second.

Being wrong isn't scummy.

What the fuck?

I think once RC had settled into 'wanting GW' it was you that made the posts to effect the masses into joining.

Pedit

Yeah option B is scum are trying to mislynch you and you are a useful idiot, but I sense you are too smart for that...

[Alonzo]

I don't see why RC's townreading Wazoo.

I don't understand how someone like Wazoo townreads DT while scumreading me & RC.

And his scumhunting is super mechanical. Do you at any point feel like he's tried to sort me or RC?

Wazoo/Clemency/Demon is plausible, for sure. Wazoo could also just play like this. Reminds me of Gustavo.

Here's some from the seven hundreds, the green shoots of the push.

Shosh leads by putting words in RCs mouth, then at the end there puts him in the position of having to defend against 'being like gustavo'.

For me this is leading, gw shouldn't have to defend against allegations like that

[Alonzo]

Hey Wazoo, I get the feeling you're ready to throw in the towel. Can you save us some trouble by confirming who your partners are?

I'm still waiting on answers to my questions from Wazoo. I don't get why he's ignoring some while answering others. It's like he doesn't want me to townread him.

Wazoo's playing pretty badly regardless of alignment.

Do you think Wazoo's been coached on how to behave?

Why is Wazoo scum, RC? Point me to the key posts.

I can't distinguish whether Wazoo's terribleness means he's bad town or bad scum. How are you distinguishing?

VOTE: Wazoo

I'm scum because I think RC's town? Are you serious, Wazoo? If you're town how do you even know RC's scum? Why can't he be a misguided townie from your perspective?

i dont understand your town motive in having a sole wazoo wagon for hours and hours

What's the town motive for Wazoo to have a sole RC wagon for days and days?

Up to end of the first page of the iso, dividinv attention between two townies (gw&fusc) but scum reading them for playing town less than optimally

[Alonzo]

How often do your scumreads flip scum, Wazoo?

And I checked your games, Wazoo, so don't lie.

It's also besides the point since your play here is so different from your town play. And your reasons for scumreading RC & me are actually terrible, and if you were town you would have moved off us already.

Shoshin what scummy things have I done THIS game?

Scumreading me for things that aren't scummy. Scumreading RC for things that aren't scummy. Continuing to scumread me/RC despite having all your concerns addressed. Lack of fluidity in your reads. Lack of any attempt to consider other possibilities. Lack of questioning. Lack of new reads after you decided to scumread me/RC. Lack of any attempt to find third scum. Lack of development in your townreads. Internal inconsistency when it comes to scumreading me/RC while townreading Irrelephant/DT. Awkward interaction with DT/Clemency. Awkward phrasing, especially when changing votes. Opportunistic voting patterns. Unnatural dumb tells. Ignoring my questions for days. Repeatedly misrepresenting me/RC. Pretending meta isn't relevant.

All I’m saying is in the case that he’s town he won’t be showing it any time soon if you are criticizing him as he tries to re enter the thread

I'm not "criticizing" his play, I'm doing my best to read his alignment based on what he's posted. He's not giving me much to work with so I have to read what's there. His lack of scumhunting is scummy. His lack of motivation to scumhunt is scummy. And his vote on RC earlier was scummy. How the hell are you townreading this, Irrel?

Are you actually town? I don't believe you.

So yeah... Barely a mention of gw or fusc first two days

[Alonzo]

Are you town, Alonzo? If so, why are you scumreading me for scumreading a slot that RC scumread? What's scummy about this?

Because RC was having a mare, getting sucked into (intentionally or not) 1v1s with DT and to a lesser extent clem, and I believe scum was hiding in the wake of this mess

[Alonzo]

Iv read the entire game twice, both times you came up number oe suspect.

[Alonzo]

How would reading a scum PT where shosh clearly demonstrates her knowledge of being able to play around town! RC make me feel better about her alignment here?

@auro

[Alonzo]

Are you actually from Surrey UK vedith?

[Alonzo]

I'm from Hampshire (you Northern monkey!)

[Alonzo]

Scum!Her being able to play around town!RC is one thing, but how would you distinguish from how town!her would play around town!RC?

Iv tried to keep an open mind that shosh could be town here, but their entire iso weirds me out, as does content, as does timing..

I'm stopping short of accusing you both of being scum together, however I feel like the closest shosh has come to pushing scum here was with their rvs vote..

[Alonzo]

No, she's getting pushed as Scum because you see a nice opportu ity to jump on.
I'm not sure how you go from such a solid town read to scum from those posts.

If I was outside the window, it was look that my town read was confident in the Scum read.
That's being twisted here.

Chen is the lynch.

Why don't we think clem vs RC was t v t?

[Alonzo]

Weren't you suggesting earlier that Shoshin's scum plan was to rile up RC? If so wouldn't Clem be scum from that with her?

I think DT fits that hat better

[Alonzo]

VOTE: shoshin

[Alonzo]

Can you do a town to scum ranking plz volx

[Alonzo]

Give reads.

[Alonzo]

I don't think Chen is town.
Explain why DT Scum though? Small words for my little brain.

Is this you drawing a line in the sand Vedith?

[Alonzo]

It's probable if we don't kill shosh today, scum will put her up everyday until we do

[Alonzo]

VOTE: chennidsen

[Alonzo]

VOTE: chennidsen

Why do you prefer Chenn over Vedith?

I was scum with clem very recently and he went awol.

[Alonzo]

Someone bus plz

[Alonzo]

Looking at you vedith

[Alonzo]

VOTE: vedith

[Alonzo]

Vedith dies with three scum on his wagon?

[Alonzo]

VOTE: Scum reading

[Alonzo]

UNVOTE:

[Alonzo]

Intent to vote shosh

[Alonzo]

Shoshin is getting the Oscar for this performance as either alignment, so just sheep and end this...

Amirite?

[Alonzo]

Top one makes more sense

[Alonzo]

I'd probably call it fair to end today lynching auro for abandoning his post.

At this point, while I would still love to see a town win deep down, Im down to lynch almost anyone.

Like I say, shos deserves this for services to keyboard warrior-ism.

Auro/DT/shosh was always on my mind as scum, but Im not sure I'm brave enough to call that my solve.

[Alonzo]

Auro dropping definitely feels like a scum motivated move, to allow a new player more freedom to mislynch

[Alonzo]

What's your DT read?

[Alonzo]

Infact can every give their final sorts?

Highlight where they think the blindspot are?

[Alonzo]

Probably town...

[Alonzo]

Hrrrrm

[Alonzo]

If no one votes its RNG right?

[Alonzo]

Maybe we let DT vote first?

[Alonzo]

Spoiler:

Nomination Mafia

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Do you have any completed scum games I can read chennidsen?

~placed the quote inside a spoiler
ejj~

[Alonzo]

Sorry, fat thumbs.

[Alonzo]

Ty.

[Alonzo]

Do you agree with volx 3064 shosh?

[Alonzo]

VOTE: Chenni

Plase finish this day before i get a prod

[Alonzo]

eh- up Boon

[Alonzo]

get to this 2moro

[Alonzo]

again... why would scum RC sub out of a free win as scum?

shosh has been as quiet as me almost, just doing the usual 'pop in and shut down any dissenters' play we've seen since day one...

[Alonzo]

Volx has been his usual mass appeal to meta self

Im now leaning on chenni as my 'you can have this game' candidate

shosh turning on me is suspicious when i already offered her the game

[Alonzo]

barely, i said id contribute today.

BTW i can totally see scum Xt/FL doing a double sub out on a scum slot to keep it valid.

[Alonzo]

I have a green role pm? I dunno

Volx mass appeals are pinging me as try hard scum RN, You've been defensive throughout.

Chenni is putting in the effort bt is the less experienced player so i can see him as the scums wanted man at lylo as opposed to stubborn old me

[Alonzo]

alsa im still pretty wide open on who scum are.

I was going along with volxs xt/DT theory for an easy life

[Alonzo]

did you read chennis previous games?

[Alonzo]

Chenni would be within his scum range with a good partner here

[Alonzo]

to the people who are suddenly questioning me now...

A) why would RC sub out of a free scum win?
B) If my presence or lack thereof today is grounds for lynching, how am I to be considered to have been pushing scums agenda today?

[Alonzo]

VOTE: Volx

I trust myself to think clearer without Volx about.

Sorry Bud.

[Alonzo]

1) Would he? Did you?

2) You cant, suffice to say i think youve done enough as either alignment to win so far so id likely vote with you, but you are right its not a guarantee

3)I voted at the start of the day but unvoted at volx request

4)Again, im null on alot of folk, you included. At times i will TR you strongly, but as soon as I revisit D1, it fades again...

5)Prior to now i was gonna offer my life as tribute, but i think flavours short cameo stirred me to life, made me realise i need to stop being a sheep in this one.
Also, I dont want the townies accusing me of a throw.

6) Outside of Volxs huge appeals I dont easily follow their trail of thought? Again, having re read chenni Hes def got potential to flip red here with the right 'mentor' guiding him

[Alonzo]

So i dunno, reading that back maybe chenni offers me more info as a flip?

[Alonzo]

but again... I wasnt hugely townreading Auro through all this

DT is erratic and could be scummy..

[Alonzo]

Volx going all quiet suddenly spooks me a bit...

[Alonzo]

@MOD

Will you extend the day to allow the Xt/FL replacement time to catch up?

[Alonzo]

re your point 1) shosh

I feel like it was volx who cleared me then, and even defended me to Flavour earlier, only to turn round after and suggest I might be scum

[Alonzo]

scum! DT just passed over the chance to mislynch me..

[Alonzo]

Iv read chenni, the only way this is his scumgame is with coaching I'd say.

Beyond that I'v not read back into others.

Does Volx presenting that info en masse support his claim? perhaps, Iv not compared his town/scum games, only his scum history.

Iv no read on Auro, but dont recall having either Xt or Flavour strong Town.

So yeah DT / Auro is who im lynching if left alive. Probably, If im wrong Im wrong but Iv been ill, my baby has been ill this week so Iv not dug like I usually would.

As Iv said Shosh, Im following you pretty much as I find you most stubbornly deserving of a result!

Like it or Lynch it.

[Alonzo]

1901 played a newbie virtually solo as my partner replaced three times.

2053 joined late.

Bus service mafia

[Alonzo]

One more thing ank, who should we lynch today?

[Alonzo]

Volx throwing shade on RC today having borderline WK the slot previously is the heel turn we've been waiting for is it not??

[Alonzo]

as I said before, Iv not had time to really dig deeper into what exactly your scum range could be, whereas I feel better Chenni is town I guess.

And I think your thinking my reads are more concrete than they are, Iv stated im not as informed as Id like to be.

Our choice is simple, we either agree to vote chenni or we dont.

Il revisit FLs brief cameo, but I felt like you turned on a good read, whereas I dont recall you ever having a strong Town lean on Clem/chen.

[Alonzo]

and obv FMPOV scum want my lynch over Chenn today

[Alonzo]

End today and get lynching alreety

[Alonzo]

Good luck town.

[Alonzo]

Nah, Town only won this cos of me =) =)