Open 753: Nomination Mafia [Game Over!]

[Shoshin]

VOTE: Auro

[Shoshin]

Irrelephant's excited for this game. What do you think that means about his alignment, Auro?

[Shoshin]

Do you promise you're town, RC?

[Shoshin]

I strongly disagree that I'm more likely scum than null. Please explain.

[Shoshin]

VOTE: Irrelephant

[Shoshin]

Reason why they’re here is because elephant gave townreads way early on, several times if I’m not mistaken, overall town behavior.

This isn't townie for Irrel.

[Shoshin]

Why the naked votes, sans explanation?
Is it Irre's excitement that makes you think he's scum?
If not, what is?

Naked votes test reactions differently than non-naked ones.

Irrel's excitement means he's scum, yes.

He's also scum for stoking RC's paranoia about me when he knows better.

[Shoshin]

Lol Shoshin you’ll have to show receipts on that one. Our last game I did the same thing (it didn’t work well, but it’s not insanity till it doesn’t work multiple times )

I didn't say it was scummy. I said it wasn't townie. Are you saying you don't do this as scum?

[Shoshin]

Those aren't useful questions.

[Shoshin]

I might rep out this game has been awful so far and I'm just going to get lynched first nomination phase anyway

You asked me to sign up for this game so I'll be really upset if you leave. Also, why are you running away from the challenge of not getting lynched on first nomination phase? Are you not up to it?

[Shoshin]

Hey RC, what do you think of SR?

[Shoshin]

Oh, nice. RC's town, then. Good read on his part.

[Shoshin]

Hey Irrel, what's your read on SR?

[Shoshin]

Explanations are scummy.

[Shoshin]

Maybe explanations aren't scummy for SR? I dunno.

[Shoshin]

What's your reads at this point?

[Shoshin]

I'd have been trying a lot harder to be townread if I were scum, RC. I'd also be trying to push your lynch.

[Shoshin]

I think you're letting Irrel off too easy for scumreading me when he should know better. I understand why RC would get paranoid but Irrel should know that my play here wasn't anything like what he saw as scum.

[Shoshin]

Clemency is bad, agreed. DT, not sure. Wazoo, I got a bad vibe from initially but something he said later feels town to me.

[Shoshin]

If you think I'm scum, RC, why aren't you trying to get me lynched?

[Shoshin]

VOTE: Clemency

[Shoshin]

Why is RC town, Irrel?

[Shoshin]

VOTE: Fuscosco

[Shoshin]

Why am I not?

Why aren't you pushing my lynch despite saying I'm scum? I feel like you'd find motivation in lynching scum me on D1 and wouldn't spend all this time pushing others while talking about replacing out and how you're not going to do anything to help this town. That's not how town you reacts to scum me.

[Shoshin]

If RC's town, this game's solved, though. That wagon on him was terrible, especially on the part of DT, Clemency, and Fusco.

[Shoshin]

If RC's scum, he knows with 100% certainty that I don't let him get lynched on D1 if I townread him.

[Shoshin]

Why are you townreading Wazoo, RC?

[Shoshin]

Work on your reading comprehension skills.

[Shoshin]

That wasn't an insult, DT.

[Shoshin]

Btw the reason Shoshin is scum is that she made no effort to dissolve the wagon on me. She knew it was going through and she should 100% have known that I was town but she just sat there and let it go through without her.

But look, Irrel. RC thought I was going to save him, not you.

[Shoshin]

Why are you insulting people, DT?

[Shoshin]

VOTE: DoubtingThomas

[Shoshin]

I'm not scum, RC. I'm disappointed in you.

[Shoshin]

DT's scum.

[Shoshin]

Why are you disappointed in me, RC?

[Shoshin]

Playing agressively =/= being rude. Be respectful please.

For the record, I would be okay with a modkill on DT. Or a forced replacement.

[Shoshin]

I'm not scum, RC. I'm disappointed in you.

Why do you care more about RC's fate than he does?

RC's self-destructive as both alignments.

[Shoshin]

Why are you townreading DT, Wazoo?

[Shoshin]

RC's the worst possible lynch on D1 in this setup.

[Shoshin]

And this is pro-town behavior because?

I never said it was pro-town. I said he engages it as both alignments.

[Shoshin]

I get the feeling DT is trying to gamesolve and not too worried about appearing scummy doing it.

I don't see him trying to solve anything. His analysis has nothing close to the nuance a townie's would. He's actively creating a negative environment, especially with the way he's interacted with RC, the way he's interacted with Irrel, and now the way he's trying to bait me.

[Shoshin]

I'd also add that DT is cluttering the game with tons of pointless posts that make it harder to reread for solving purposes. He's leading a wagon on RC who's the worst possible lynch on D1. And he's blatantly playing a WIFOM-based game since he's blatantly doing the opposite of what you think scum would do, even though what he's doing is completely unnatural for a townie to do.

[Shoshin]

RC's the worst possible lynch on D1 because he's going to be nominated. Why would we ever waste an odd-lynch on RC when we can do it on an even one? He's also the worst possible lynch on D1 because he's one of the strongest townies on this site, meaning it would be a massive windfall for the scum to lynch town him on D1 (especially since he won't have time to catch the scum for us, plus it causes his to become self-destructive), whereas saving a lynch on scum RC for D2 doesn't hurt town at all because we still have the opportunity to lynch his partners.

[Shoshin]

Irrel, please join me on DT.

[Shoshin]

RC self-votes as both alignments when he's treated unfairly.

[Shoshin]

RC's propensity to self-destruct doesn't take away from the fact that he's very good at catching scum. Please don't dismiss him just because he self-voted.

[Shoshin]

RC, why are you townreading Wazoo?

[Shoshin]

And why are you disappointed in me?

[Shoshin]

This is nonsense. If a player's worth lynching D2, he's worth lynching D1.

Scum choose the lynch on D2 through nominations so it's optimal to lynch RC on D2 when our options are limited.

[Shoshin]

I'm disappointed you did nothing to prevent the wagon on me if you're town.

I wasn't around when the wagon formed so I'm not sure what you expected? And now you're self-voting so there's not much I can do either way.

[Shoshin]

Really

It's optimal to lynch me

Ok shoshin

I didn't say it's optimal to lynch you, period. I said it's better to lynch you on D2 than D1 when we're already getting screwed by mafia.

[Shoshin]

Why don't you help me lynch DT?

[Shoshin]

The solution to me self voting if you're town was to not push a dogshit case on me before I self voted.

I didn't push a case on you.

[Shoshin]

DT's making this game unfun.

[Shoshin]

That's because you can't read, DT.

[Shoshin]

Null. I'm not going to townread you while you push my lynch, just so you know.

[Shoshin]

Why should I townread you?

[Shoshin]

You also called Clemency scum but didn't follow up on it in favour of going for a policy lynch? on DT. You're also scumreading a strong townread in Irrelephant. So, like, no not townreading you. Why don't you tell me someone who is scum so we can powerlynch them? No policy lynches let's kill scum

I'm not going for a policy lynch. I'm voting DT because he's scum. I'm using policy reasons to differentiate DT from Clemency when it comes to preference.

[Shoshin]

You've townread me correctly in the past. Why not now?

Everyone who has consistently townread me in the past has done so one of two ways: townreading me no matter what or townreading me only if I use ate I wouldn't use as scum. Both categories would townread me here. I find it very sketchy that you've townread me in the reck game but can't see that I'm the same alignment here.

Why are you comparing me with people in the past? I don't townread you based on ate, never have. I townread you based on things you do that I don't think you'd do as scum.

I'm never going to townread you in this game if you keep pushing my lynch because I expect better from you as town. You've correctly townread me in the past. Why not now?

Also, note that I gave a townread on you earlier. You just happened to lose it.

[Shoshin]

What should I do if DT flips town?

Lynch Clemency or Fusco.

[Shoshin]

How much confidence should I have in your reads?

You can't read me anymore, you're saying that DT flips scum, ok

Like if you tell me he's flipping scum I'll follow you. But if he flips town that then? Do I treat it as a guilty on you? Should I be worried that you can't townread me here and are leading on town? I think that I should.

What kind of bs is this about how I can't read you? I say I'm still working out my read on you and suddenly I can't read you? Sometimes a read takes time for me to feel confident in it, especially when you're voting me for really bad reasons that you should feel ashamed of. There's also a lot of noise in this game because unfortunately people built a wagon on you before I could stop it (because I wasn't here), and your reactions to a wagon aren't the sort of thing I trust.

As for DT, what's the alternative? You think he's town? Give me a reason to townread him. I'm worried about Wazoo at the moment yet here I am trusting you he's town...

[Shoshin]

Look, if you want to push my lynch I'm going to push a lynch on you, for obvious reasons. If you want to work with me instead and see if we can lynch scum together, then I think the outcome is going to be a lot better, regardless of your alignment. I also think your alignment will become clearer to me in that way.

[Shoshin]

Deducing what I wouldn't do as scum is a lot simpler than what i would do as scum and this is always a wouldn't do. Yet you're still hedging.

What wouldn't you do?

[Shoshin]

Yet you're still hedging.

Hedging what?

You're not answering my question as to what makes you town here.

[Shoshin]

So you're not going to give me a real answer?

[Shoshin]

Are you scum with DT, RC?

[Shoshin]

Fuck you, RC.

[Shoshin]

You're a massive dick sometimes.

[Shoshin]

You're the one scumreading me when you shouldn't be. I don't have a read on you for the reasons I mentioned, and now that I'm trying to talk with you about the game you're dodging my questions and siding with DT?

[Shoshin]

Oh, nice. RC's town, then.

This was a thing until you started pushing my lynch for terrible reasons.

[Shoshin]

DT's scum, Irrel.

[Shoshin]

In case you didn't realize, RC, I was arguing AGAINST your lynch.

[Shoshin]

DT/Fusco/Clemency are scum. Maybe I'm wrong on DT and just want him lynched, in which case it's still Fusco/Clemency. Fusco, for sure.

[Shoshin]

It's absurd you still think I'm scum, RC.

[Shoshin]

I'd also note that I was pushing YOUR scumreads when you decided to vote me. Like, I'm voting Clemency/DT and then you vote me? WTF RC?

[Shoshin]

Because Fus would have let lynch on RC happen without even trying to develop a counterwagon. And that awkward interaction with Clemency that felt like scum/scum.

[Shoshin]

Oh yeah, demon could be scum too. The whole "I forgot about this game" line comes from scum too often to ignore.

[Shoshin]

When I beat you as scum, RC, I'm going to be so town that you're going to be telling everyone never to lynch me as I lead your mislynch.

[Shoshin]

Spoiler:

I townread you.

"Let Auro swing" huh?

Ive never been shy about a D1 infolynch.
Or a nullscum lynch.
Or just throwing around pressure.


I have to read this all tomorrow and sort it out. I stopped reading most of RC/Auro/DT for the night.

toying with volxen scum, he seems less invested in this game than I would expect him to be and there's not really any smoking guns. still think the reasons given to scumread him were trash.

yuuuss

i'm done sorry this game is unpleasant for my sanity.

VOTE: RC

VOTE: RadCow

fuck that noise rc

Replace out like a man. or at least like a veteran townie would

I'm not playing the rc meta game. I've been out a few years and I have no clue how RC has developed.

But Im willing to fry mu null read who just AtEd

is rc l-1?

:/

VOTE: unvote

im not convinced, but Im still mobile and cant properly take notes

This is scum.

[Shoshin]

How do people even forget about games? Like, wtf?

[Shoshin]

i confirmed my role two minutes ago and i've honest to god already forgotten

Same scum tell as demon. It's definitely one of these two or both.

[Shoshin]

Who are the scum, Irrel?

[Shoshin]

Why not DT?

[Shoshin]

Another player who made enemies more easily than friends. He and Shoshin 1v1’d as T/T

I don't 1v1. In that game, I said Gustavo was locktown. He just death tunneled me for no reason while I kept saying he was town.

[Shoshin]

I feel like DT has cut off too many relationships this game to be scum, like as scum why does he want me/RC/you/Shoshin annoyed with him

DT believes that attacking people will lead them to townread him.

[Shoshin]

>Bad push on Irre's excitement and refusal to answer my questions asking why

I didn't refuse to answer why, you refused the explanation. To be clear, I said Irrel's excitement was scummy because he prefers to play scum over town. Why are you saying things that aren't true?

>"I'm not scum, I'm disappointed in you"

Is there something fake about feeling disappointed when you're incorrectly scumread?

>"If you want to push my lynch I'll push a lynch on you"

What's scummy about holding the self-proclaimed "best scumhunter on the site" to a higher standard when it comes to reading me?

Also:

When I beat you as scum, RC, I'm going to be so town that you're going to be telling everyone never to lynch me as I lead your mislynch.

I get the feeling she's deliberately not putting in effort to look towny from this quote, and for some reason thinks that should get her townread?

The point behind this post is that I'd be interacting with RC very differently if I were scum who knew he was town. Why are you making up a false narrative from thin air?

[Shoshin]

I don't like Auro's scumread on me at all.

[Shoshin]

I think Irrel needs to clear up this whole "excitement" thing because he knows better than anyone why I pushed him on that.

[Shoshin]

Irrel's excitement means he's scum, yes.

This was your "explanation"? Doesn't feel like one, I recall asking you to provide evidence he gets more excited as scum which you said was "useless". If you explained this later, I might have missed it - apologies.

No, that wasn't my explanation. The explanation was me saying Irrel prefers scum to town. The evidence was Irrel expressly stating that fact in the game.

[Shoshin]

Shoshin also: you scumread me for being excited to be here.

Presumably because you know I enjoy rolling scum most?

But like, I also enjoy rolling town... and I’m especially excited by the idea I might be in a town with you/RC/Auro/Volxen. I think it’s ridiculous that you think my excitement to play (especially after a long break away from mafia) is scum-indicative

This is your evidence, Auro. I thought you would have picked this up if you cared that much.

[Shoshin]

Is there something fake about feeling disappointed when you're incorrectly scumread?

Possibly. Continuously saying stuff like "I'm disappointed", "It's absurd you think I'm scum", "I'll push you if you push me" seems easy to fake, no? Like I'd expect town to work on the pushes and see where they're originating, and make a better attempt to look towny.

Who cares what's possible? Just because something's easy to fake doesn't mean it's more likely to come from scum. What kind of reasoning is this?

[Shoshin]

The point behind this post is that I'd be interacting with RC very differently if I were scum who knew he was town. Why are you making up a false narrative from thin air?

I'm specifically talking about the "I'd look so town" part.

I was talking about what RC would think. The idea of "looking town" is too abstract to have any meaning outside what specific people think.

[Shoshin]

I had other reasons to push Irrel besides the "excitement" point. Why are you ignoring that part of the push?

[Shoshin]

The excitement was a minor part of why I pushed Irrel...

[Shoshin]

Auro, the difference between being town/scum is that as scum you know the town are town so you don't have to sort them. This affords much greater freedom in how you interact with townies, which in turn makes it much easier to manipulate players into townreading you when you know what causes those players to townread you.

[Shoshin]

Like, in this game, I'm trying to sort RC, so naturally I'm going to interact with him differently than I would if my only goal were to get him to townread me.

[Shoshin]

You've somehow taken the idea that I'm not focusing exclusively on getting townread as somehow indicative that I'm scum? What is this logic, Auro?

[Shoshin]

Irrel shouldn't have stoked RC's paranoia about me. Irrel should have had me as null or town, not "ick."

[Shoshin]

I'd have been trying a lot harder to be townread if I were scum, RC. I'd also be trying to push your lynch.

Here^ One more post that indicates you know you're not putting in effort to look towny. And then surprised when people scumread you?

There's a difference between having RC scumread me and having him null on me. I'd understand if he were null. I don't believe he should ever have scumread me. I've done nothing scummy.

[Shoshin]

I'm appearing as towny as I possibly can in THIS game as n actual townie.

If I were scum, I could appear more towny to certain players because of the fact that I'd know those players were town and thus wouldn't have to actively sort them in my interactions but instead could focus exclusively on manipulating them.

[Shoshin]

Nullscum isn't acceptable for doing nothing. And besides, I'm extremely towny, Auro. I never said I did nothing towny. Why are you making all this crap up about me?

[Shoshin]

Your reasons for scumreading me are really bad, Auro.

[Shoshin]

Why are you making all this crap up about me?

You're saying it's a stretch to assume stuff like "I'd be trying a lot harder to be townread as scum" to be indicative that you're not trying to be townread as town?

The phrase "I'd be trying a lot harder as scum" implies that I'm trying here as town.

[Shoshin]

It doesn't imply that I'm not trying.

[Shoshin]

I'm actively trying to find the scum, which is the towniest thing I can do as town. The point is that I have much more tools available to me as scum, which means I could put more effort into looking town than I can as an actual townie. That's the nature of being scum.

"Nullscum" is a terrible thing to say about someone who isn't towny yet. They're either scum via poe, null, or town via poe. Anything else needlessly biases how you read the player going forward, which isn't helpful to refining reads.

You're also missing the point, Auro. Irrel isn't confident reading me anymore because last time I was scum he wrongly read me as town (and not only him, everyone in the game basically thought I was the most towny player for the entire game). The point is, Irrel lacks confidence in reading me so his response of calling me "ick" doesn't make any sense. He knows I'm more than capable of towning my slot up as scum so the "ick" thing felt like an attempt to stoke RC's paranoia about me into a potential death tunnel.

[Shoshin]

What's your read on Fusco?

[Shoshin]

That's how I feel too.

[Shoshin]

This from the player constantly complaining about lack of decorum in this game.

I haven't "constantly" complained about "lack of decorum." I poked at DT because he was randomly insulting multiple players for no reason in hypocritical ways. But constant complaints? No.

As for what I said to RC, having emotions isn't scummy. We have history, he invited me to play this game, so it's especially upsetting to feel mistreated by him. I felt hurt by what he was saying.

Someone who's against policy-lynch on one player shouldn't be advocating policy-lynching another.

I never supported a policy lynch. I said I preferred lynching scum DT over scum Clemency for policy reasons, but I was clear about saying that DT was scum, not a policy lynch.

Only scum would know who's being nominated.

That doesn't mean town can't make accurate predictions about who's getting nominated, especially when it comes to a player like RC.

This might be the scummiest post of the game.

There's nothing scummy about pushing a lynch on someone who shouldn't be pushing a lynch on you, especially when you have history with that player. Everything you're calling scummy isn't scummy.

[Shoshin]

I didn't buy her rebuttal at all.

This isn't a debate. It's a game of mafia.

[Shoshin]

I don't see why RC's townreading Wazoo.

[Shoshin]

I don't understand how someone like Wazoo townreads DT while scumreading me & RC.

[Shoshin]

And his scumhunting is super mechanical. Do you at any point feel like he's tried to sort me or RC?

[Shoshin]

Demon's scum.

[Shoshin]

Clemency might flip town.

[Shoshin]

Wazoo/Clemency/Demon is plausible, for sure. Wazoo could also just play like this. Reminds me of Gustavo.

[Shoshin]

Volxen's hope to play with town RC felt slightly townish. But I agree he's not town town.

[Shoshin]

99% likely that we're nominated.

[Shoshin]

I'm liking GrandWazoo for town.

Why'd you say this?

[Shoshin]

I actually like Wazoo's posts - they appear mechanical maybe yeah, but I'm sure it's playstyle.

Why are you sure it's playstyle? What do you like about his posts?

What do you mean, he's not attempting to sort you/RC?

He's just picking sides between players. He says RC/DT can't be TvT, so he picks a side. He perceives a divide between me/you or me/DT, so he picks a side. It feels like scum looking to choose sides between townies instead of town actually trying to understand where me or RC are coming from.

He was casing you and engaging with me about your slot.

I wouldn't say he was engaging you about anything. He was defending his reads without any attempt to understand why he's wrong.

[Shoshin]

Yeah, his approach to Clemency is terrible.

[Shoshin]

It's clear he left RC because he perceived a lynch there wasn't happening today.

That's fine. Why vote me over Clemency?

[Shoshin]

Why would town Wazoo think me/RC is SvS?

[Shoshin]

I'm sorry for your failure, Auro.

[Shoshin]

Context, Auro. The problem is that there's a pattern of looking for options that aren't Clemency as evidenced by his vote on RC over Clemency and then by his attempt to build a counter wagon on me over Clemency (a wagon that clearly had the benefit of potentially attracting your vote away from Clemency given your recent posting). He's distancing from Clemency while opportunistically looking for ways to defend him.

[Shoshin]

I'm the one who said explanations are scummy, not Irrel.

[Shoshin]

Do you have any reads, SR?

[Shoshin]

Why would I say explanations are scummy as scum, SR? Explanations are what allows scum to leave a paper trail to defend themselves later in the game.

[Shoshin]

I think the better question is why would you say explanations are scum as a town. Should we all vote according to our guts?

What kind of question is this? I say explanations are scummy as town because it's what I think as town.

To be clear, I'm not saying town don't have reasons for their reads/behaviors. They obviously do as a natural result of scumhunting. I'm just saying that town don't explain all their reads/behaviors, whereas scum sometimes explain too much to make sure their reads/behaviors are defensible.

If you're town, do you post all the reasons behind your reads/behaviors? And if you're scum fabricating "townie reasons," wouldn't you want to post those reasons in the thread to make sure your reads/behaviors are defensible?

[Shoshin]

What's your read on Fusco, Auro?

[Shoshin]

Scum.

[Shoshin]

How is this helping you sort me, SR? The point is that I actually think this as town.

[Shoshin]

You think Auro/Fusco team?

[Shoshin]

I'd always lynch Fusco before I lynched Auro.

[Shoshin]

Nah, not Volxen. Auro/Fusco/Demon.

[Shoshin]

Look at Auro's "I prefer Demon but voting Clemency" bit.

[Shoshin]

I've never played with him.

[Shoshin]

Auro defending Volxen's inactivity feels pretty towny.

[Shoshin]

I feel like you should townread me more than RC, Irrel.

[Shoshin]

Irrel, promise me that if we're in LYLO together that you don't hammer until I've voted.

[Shoshin]

RC's better scum than me, Irrel. And my play looks nothing like my play as scum. I'm not pocketing anyone at all.

That's an important promise to me because of that game where I was locktown in LYLO with you and you jumped the gun before I had a chance to vote.

[Shoshin]

I'm never voting you, Irrel.

[Shoshin]

I prefer Fusco. Look how bad this is:

"Let Auro swing" huh?

Ive never been shy about a D1 infolynch.
Or a nullscum lynch.
Or just throwing around pressure.

Not scumhunting. And setting up potential mislynches.

toying with volxen scum, he seems less invested in this game than I would expect him to be and there's not really any smoking guns. still think the reasons given to scumread him were trash.

yuuuss

Agrees with RC. Seems like Fusco should townread RC. Except:

i'm done sorry this game is unpleasant for my sanity.

VOTE: RC

VOTE: RadCow

He votes RC in the next post. For reasons that have nothing to do with RC's alignment.

I'm not playing the rc meta game. I've been out a few years and I have no clue how RC has developed.

But Im willing to fry mu null read who just AtEd

It defies belief that someone who hasn't played mafia in years ("out a few years") pushes a policy lynch as town without even trying to sort the player they're pushing (notice the "null read"). This is scum jumping on the opportunity to set RC up for a mislynch without having to do any scumhunting while it happens.

[Shoshin]

Why won't you vote Fusco?

[Shoshin]

Why Wazoo over Clem/Fusco? Give me some reasons please.

[Shoshin]

I liked your reason on NSG in that other game so I'd appreciate the reasons here too.

[Shoshin]

Why don't you agree that Fusco's scummy? What makes him towny?

[Shoshin]

Hey Demon, can you talk to us about the game? What're your reads at this point?

[Shoshin]

By the way @Shoshin, you have played with me before. Auro and I were the Michael Scott hydra in Starcraft 2 Mafia. We tried to stop you and The Worst from getting lynched on day one in that game.

That game was 95% the worst.

[Shoshin]

What's "oog"?

[Shoshin]

Hey Wazoo, I get the feeling you're ready to throw in the towel. Can you save us some trouble by confirming who your partners are?

[Shoshin]

I was hoping he'd be more explicit.

[Shoshin]

Are you still scumreading me, Wazoo?

[Shoshin]

What're your reads at this point?

[Shoshin]

Funny...

[Shoshin]

I've addressed all your concerns. Why are you still scumreading me?

[Shoshin]

Remember your promise to lynch RC D2? I do.

I don't remember. Please refer me to where I promised to lynch RC.

[Shoshin]

Wazoo, please respond to 1051. Also, to clarify, 520 doesn't say I want to lynch RC, it just says that anyone who wants to lynch him should wait until D2. Why do you keep misreading what I've said?

[Shoshin]

I guess Wazoo wants me to vote him?

[Shoshin]

Disappointing.

[Shoshin]

Hey Auro, what's your read on Volx?

[Shoshin]

RC always comes around to my lynch so actually you're all sheeping me at the end of the day.

[Shoshin]

I promise you that you survive this game until endgame as long as I'm alive too.

[Shoshin]

Also, I still want to lynch Fusco unless he towns himself in the next few hours while he's at work.

[Shoshin]

I'm still waiting on answers to my questions from Wazoo. I don't get why he's ignoring some while answering others. It's like he doesn't want me to townread him.

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Why'd you vote DT, Auro?

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No, RC. Don't make a case. Those are even scummier than explanations, which are already scummy enough. You're going to get mislynched for it.

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Trusting RC + I'm fine with a DT lynch independently anyway.

Why are you trusting RC? What're your independent reasons to lynch DT? What's your preferred lynch?

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No.

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Wazoo's playing pretty badly regardless of alignment.

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Don't get baited into casing DT. He just wants to clutter the game with a pointless back-and-forth.

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VOTE: Fusco

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Do you think Wazoo's been coached on how to behave?

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Hey DT, you're not going to get RC lynched today so why don't you vote someone else?

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Why is Wazoo scum, RC? Point me to the key posts.

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I'll talk about the game with you, DT, if you assume I'm town during our discussions.

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I always assume anyone I talk to is town if I'm talking with them directly.

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I can't distinguish whether Wazoo's terribleness means he's bad town or bad scum. How are you distinguishing?

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Why is Wazoo scum, RC? Point me to the key posts.

Don't you think the "4v3" slip looks faked for one?

Why would scum fake this?

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I can't distinguish whether Wazoo's terribleness means he's bad town or bad scum. How are you distinguishing?

Tone and a few specific phrases that he used

What phrases?

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I've already explained this, DT. Please review my posts.

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Fusco isn't scumhunting despite presenting himself as reasonable, and he jumped on the opportunity to push an easy mislynch on RC.

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RC's an exceptionally easy mislynch.

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It was when I was rereading a while back, Irrel.

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RC, I would appreciate if you hold off on forcing this day's end until Fusco catches up and Demon's replacement enters the game.

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Don't worry, RC. We have the votes to lynch Wazoo, it's just a matter of timing.

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VOTE: fuscos

You agree with my reasoning on Fusco? Are you now townreading me & RC?

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Why aren't you townreading me, DT?

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Nominations make this game harder than a typical nightless. If this were a simple nightless, scum already lost.

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I'm asking because it's not, DT.

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I'm going to replace out if the alternative is spending another day dealing with DT, fuscoscos, grandwazoo, etc's crap without at least having a scum flip to bolster my morale.

If you replace out, I'm never playing another game with you again.

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Just take a break from the game. Go find a meditation video on youtube and relax your mind for a bit.

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fmpov, our interactions have been atrocious. you have been actively scum reading me for 'creating negative environment' or something and i think that is a straight up lie. i think you are pushing a scum narrative in that sense and have treated me unfairly, with bad faith, so i scum read you.

I'm not lying about your play. You insulted both RC & Irrelephant before I ever said anything about your reading comprehension. You aggressively bait conversations that aren't going anywhere productive (and I'm saying this from my point of view, not yours). You pretend to be dumber than you are. Regardless of your alignment, I strongly dislike your play. Why are you assuming I dislike your play in bad faith? Do you actually think your play is likable to all townies?

also you thinking there is even a remote possibility that rc and i are w/w... irrel and rc both hype your game up, but i don't really see what's impressive about your play based on this game, which could be another reason why you are just scum.

RC is town but speculating about the possibility that you're both scum isn't scummy, it's just due diligence in considering all possibilities. I don't know your alignment because I struggle to read players who I dislike. I want you to flip scum but I don't know if you're actually scum. I've been trying to figure this out for a while.

I think people have an unrealistic expectation when they hear someone is "impressive." Most "impressive" players are "impressive" when you take a step back from the game, not when you're actually playing it. I usually get called "unimpressive," "bad," "atrocious" in my games until endgame. I don't think it's fair for you to evaluate my play until the game is over, regardless of your alignment.

not to mention the fact that i feel like you've ptretty much ignored me more or less throughout the game until today

I haven't ignored you. Nor do I see what that has to do with my alignment. If you think "ignoring" is scummy, why aren't you scumreading Wazoo for ignoring my questions?

the scum read on you is not as strong anymore, i'll admit, because your posts are getting better and putting in a lot more effort relative to some of the others, but i'll still really enjoy your lynch today.

I think I've addressed all your concerns so I'd expect that you would townread me after this, especially since you're voting with me.

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DT's scum. He shouldn't be scumreading me at this point.

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VOTE: Wazoo

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Wazoo, please respond to 1051. Also, to clarify, 520 doesn't say I want to lynch RC, it just says that anyone who wants to lynch him should wait until D2. Why do you keep misreading what I've said?

My point was that "wait until D2" assumes that he's nominated D2. After my flip, it is a virtual lock that he won't be.
Hopefully town remembers that he's singlehandedly driven a mislynch, despite being the scummiest player in the game.

I'm still waiting on answers to my questions from Wazoo. I don't get why he's ignoring some while answering others. It's like he doesn't want me to townread him.

What question did I not answer. On my phone and don't have time to scroll up 20 pages of bullshit.

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You found the question. You just chose not to respond.

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I've addressed all your concerns. Why are you still scumreading me?

This is 1051. Why didn't you respond to this, Wazoo? I asked you twice, and you intentionally ignored it the second time.

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VOTE: Clemency

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I'm scum because I think RC's town? Are you serious, Wazoo? If you're town how do you even know RC's scum? Why can't he be a misguided townie from your perspective?

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i dont understand your town motive in having a sole wazoo wagon for hours and hours

What's the town motive for Wazoo to have a sole RC wagon for days and days?