Open 753: Nomination Mafia [Game Over!]

[DoubtingThomas]

Your favorite player is here

[DoubtingThomas]

VOTE: elephant

my favorite animal

[DoubtingThomas]

VOTE: Auro

Your avatar is amazing

how is this true in anyway

[DoubtingThomas]

Fuscosco why does early-game bother you?

Pedit2: spciy

Its irksome nonsense. Its necessary nonsense, but its easy to hide in the turmoil of it. Besides, when 4 people of 11 are here and fill out the first 3 pages I don't want to read it ever again. Makes rereads a pain.

it's >rand scum to complain about the rvs stage yadda yaddi yadda

[DoubtingThomas]

Irrelephant's excited for this game. What do you think that means about his alignment, Auro?

this kinda observation is good

[DoubtingThomas]

@RadiantCowbells I hope you rolled town for a change, because you've always rolled scum against me in our previous games together.

this kinda posts are usually bad

[DoubtingThomas]

@RadiantCowbells I hope you rolled town for a change, because you've always rolled scum against me in our previous games together.

I've literally been wanting to play a game with town!you for like

months

.

yuck

[DoubtingThomas]

already substantially +equity town

Uh can we stop voting auro jfc

are you just worried he might be hmmered? or you dont scum read him that much?

[DoubtingThomas]

indeed

@RadiantCowbells I hope you rolled town for a change, because you've always rolled scum against me in our previous games together.

I've literally been wanting to play a game with town!you for like

months

.

This is town post most of the time

Did you really just yuck it?

no that was actually not me

[DoubtingThomas]

also hard disagree to "this is a town post most of the times"

i havent seen such in a long time, but i personally just dislike all these, "i wish you are a particular alignment this time!" kidna post

waste of trees

VOTE: volxen

[DoubtingThomas]

rc u finally saw me scum in merchant's daughter

must have been a disappointment, no?

[DoubtingThomas]

Do u object on principle or do you think he has wolf equity

is this to me? if so, it doesn't seem like a real question.

i already stated that i think those types of posts are scummy beforehand and said yuck, so you know my answer to that question. i also said another post volxen said is a bad post so obviously i think he has scum equity

Just went back and volxen just votes auro on a bandwagon vote while saying some dumb shit about how "he rolls scum all the time" or something

then continues to talk about how he wishes you were a certain alignment while commenting he hasn't played with you as that certain alignment in months?

idk. seems opportunistic, disinterested in solving, and bystanding, all at the same time

very early in the game, but happy with this vote

i also dislike your treatment of my push on him/defense on him

i guess agree/disagreement on a certain type of post is a different thing but yea

[DoubtingThomas]

i havent seen such in a long time, but i personally just dislike all these, "i wish you are a particular alignment this time!" kidna post

Except Volxen posts like this all the time.

it's really atrocious that mafiascummers keep saying, "certain player posts like this all the time"

do you expect me to know that? do you want to elaborate on what that factor makes how you view the current thread stage?

why are you constantly commenting?

i quite frankly do not care about meta aorn

[DoubtingThomas]

DT your last post is god awful. I'll reserve judgement for now on whether it's AI

sue me

[DoubtingThomas]

KK maybe DT is just trying to power wolf

you mean i am wolfing? i only power wolf and almost never bus

[DoubtingThomas]

rc u finally saw me scum in merchant's daughter

must have been a disappointment, no?

[DoubtingThomas]

RC: "it's page 4"

Also RC: *tries to control people's votes* *complains abotu volxen getting scum read* "DT is power wolfing"

lol RC is this your wolf game it's quite weak

[DoubtingThomas]

Bussing is the tits. I've absolutely bused people to death - and won.

bussing is for pussies and weak-souled people who can't win the game without faking a town cred by killing their own teammate

[DoubtingThomas]

it's really atrocious that mafiascummers keep saying, "certain player posts like this all the time"

do you expect me to know that? do you want to elaborate on what that factor makes how you view the current thread stage?

why are you constantly commenting?

i quite frankly do not care about meta aorn

I don't expect you to know that. I expect you to work in this new information to inform your reads better.

Your attack on Volxen is NAI to me.

"I don't care for meta" is a poor response - if a player displayed a behaviour as town in the past, this means said behaviour is at worst NAI, in isolation.

specify what you mean by "this is town volxen"

[DoubtingThomas]

also, i actually use meta quite a bit, but i have recently seen too many people just saying, "XXX posts that all the time" on this website to just simply comment on my well-thought out cases and try to shade it. it was not a comment solely directed towards you only. just felt a bit tilted

[DoubtingThomas]

Bussing is the tits. I've absolutely bused people to death - and won.

bussing is for pussies and weak-souled people who can't win the game without faking a town cred by killing their own teammate

Do you say anything that isn't fucking stupid

this is not a real question. you know me well enough by now

[DoubtingThomas]

from what i've seen thomas likes to be condescending even when he doesnt have the high ground to be it

true. who are you tho?

[DoubtingThomas]

I don't expect you to know that. I expect you to work in this new information to inform your reads better.

You were given the info that your read was objectively wrong and your reaction was to get defensive and say that you are going to ignore meta when it's relevant. That's garbage. If I hadn't seen princess bride I'd have already voted you

you are telling me that in a game of lying and deceiving it is scummy for me to not take in what another person is saying as a lord almighty truth of the holy spirit objective fact immediately?

ok bru

[DoubtingThomas]

too many people just saying, "XXX posts that all the time" on this website to just simply comment on my well-thought out cases and try to shade it.

Except it's not "shade", it's a fact I can back up with evidence that contradicts your "case".

ok start bringing evidence that contradicts other people's "case" on you tbh

[DoubtingThomas]

you are telling me that in a game of lying and deceiving it is scummy for me to not take in what another person is saying as a lord almighty truth of the holy spirit objective fact immediately?

Why didn't you ask me to back up my assertion, then?

because i dont think anyone would straight up lie about things that could be proven, and cases built on a single post being >rand xxx is not really worth clinging on to so just ur words are good enough for now, but i think it's atrocious that RC is attacking me as if your word is pure 'objective fact' that i am being way defensive about when talking to you about this

[DoubtingThomas]

too many people just saying, "XXX posts that all the time" on this website to just simply comment on my well-thought out cases and try to shade it.

Except it's not "shade", it's a fact I can back up with evidence that contradicts your "case".

ok start bringing evidence that contradicts other people's "case" on you tbh

What's the case on him

nothing

A friend of mine said this to me once

"
???

It's page 4"

the case is that he has couple posts i thnik were >rand scummy and worth talking about. so i am going from there

[DoubtingThomas]

The hallmark of rvs is wagons based on nothing. Defending it is . . . counterproductive?

I would prefer votes not be placed at all

Your highness, please let me know when you think it's okay for me to place votes

[DoubtingThomas]

No they're not and your reads are shit or you're scum

or your reads are shit and i am right

[DoubtingThomas]

I'm not able to reconcile your response here with your "I don't care for meta" response.

VOTE: DoubtingThomas

really atrocious

[DoubtingThomas]

No DT you can really just die

If this is your town contribution to the thread we are stronger as a town lynching you d1

oh because i don't town read someone you town read?

lolu

[DoubtingThomas]

the case is that he has couple posts i thnik were >rand scummy and worth talking about. so i am going from there

Which ones, and why?
No one's explained it so far as far as I can see, how would you expect me to respond to the "case" then?

go back and read my 10 posts ive ever made in this thread, tbh

[DoubtingThomas]

No they're not and your reads are shit or you're scum

or your reads are shit and i am right

Says the person who mislynched myself JC and another obvtown player consecutively gjgj

literally a different game. literally a lot of it is your atrocious play there too. stop constantly mentioning a dark history for the both of us. everyone else but you blamed you as a major reason for that game

[DoubtingThomas]

I gave you the abrupt no you're being stupid you threw a fit at me and called me scum. Auto did the same you got defensive and said you didn't believe in meta. Kinda feels like you just... don't want to back off this read. So either you're scum or you're derp town whose ego gets wounded by someone telling you you're being dumb when you objectively are and you knee jerk overcommit instead of actually playing in good faith. Not a good set of options

so you think i should just say, "oh true auro thanks for letting me know volxen's meta *unvote*"

???

[DoubtingThomas]

No they're not and your reads are shit or you're scum

or your reads are shit and i am right

Says the person who mislynched myself JC and another obvtown player consecutively gjgj

literally a different game. literally a lot of it is your atrocious play there too. stop constantly mentioning a dark history for the both of us. everyone else but you blamed you as a major reason for that game

Different game same players and I told you D1 that the path to a win was logic. You owe my reads enough respect empirically to not pull whatever this shit that you're doing is

you are the one who said your town game is a hit or miss. don't give me this shit about how i should just respect and sheep your read 100% of the time when you are a ridiculous good scum (something you've already said multiple times yourself)

i think you are not being townie right now and wont be sheeping you any time soon. doesn't even have to do with thefact about whether or not i respect your reads

[DoubtingThomas]

And there's a difference between being wrong and being belligerent and obnoxious and wrong.

Sure. When people keep telling you your read is bad your reaction shouldn't be to double down.

keep pushing me. i am just gonna wait until someone else posts something of value

[DoubtingThomas]

I have, I fail to see a case on me. Maybe I'm just dumb, quote please?

the case i talked about before is my case on volxen which oyu can find in my iso

i dont have a case on you. in fact i think your reaction recently towards me have been townie

[DoubtingThomas]

I don't recall saying my town game was hit or miss because my reads are hit or miss and given you've seen three consecutive games where I was town and got fucked over because people refused to townread me when I was objectively towny the dots shouldn't be difficult for you to connect.

you said your town game is a hit or miss. this i will not retract ever. you said it. you can always be scum so there will never be a day i will blindly sheep you. stop trying to shade me over stupid things like how i should respect your reads more??? like really?

[DoubtingThomas]

And there's a difference between being wrong and being belligerent and obnoxious and wrong.

Sure. When people keep telling you your read is bad your reaction shouldn't be to double down.

keep pushing me. i am just gonna wait until someone else posts something of value

I'm not voting you. I'm not pushing you. I'm telling you to stop.

i have not pushed volxen outside of voting him over the only few scummy things i found in this entire thread.

the past 2 pages have been you and auro spamming about how i shouldn't be defensive about auro giving a meta on volxen and how i didnt take that as an objective fact to unvote someone in a game 5 pages in

cool beans

[DoubtingThomas]

the case is that he has couple posts i thnik were >rand scummy and worth talking about. so i am going from there

Which ones, and why?
No one's explained it so far as far as I can see, how would you expect me to respond to the "case" then?

go back and read my 10 posts ive ever made in this thread, tbh

i am talking about volxen here

[DoubtingThomas]

I have, I fail to see a case on me. Maybe I'm just dumb, quote please?

here you are talking a case on you

[DoubtingThomas]

I don't think you're actually reading as opposed to just saying what reactions you think make you look townier

VOTE: doubting Thomas

Now I'm voting you

sorry i just say townie stuff mate

[DoubtingThomas]

I don't recall saying my town game was hit or miss because my reads are hit or miss and given you've seen three consecutive games where I was town and got fucked over because people refused to townread me when I was objectively towny the dots shouldn't be difficult for you to connect.

you said your town game is a hit or miss. this i will not retract ever. you said it. you can always be scum so there will never be a day i will blindly sheep you. stop trying to shade me over stupid things like how i should respect your reads more??? like really?

In response to this

It's not hard to put two and two together that my town game is 'ht or miss' because I can't get people to stop fucking scumreading me and he's trying to use it to attack my reads

LOL STFU dude

you are the one who is literally attacking me in this game because "i should have more respect towards your reads" fucking bull shit

i am not even fucking talking about your fucking reads. you are literally scum reading me for not paying respect to your reads and i only pointed that out because you said that yourself. also you can be scum. why the fuck would i ever sheep you blindly? but you were literally implying i should be doing that and not push volxen?

get the fuck off of your high horse

[DoubtingThomas]

VOTE: Auro

Let me guess, you rolled scum like you do in 95%+ plus of your games?

@RadiantCowbells I hope you rolled town for a change, because you've always rolled scum against me in our previous games together.

@RadiantCowbells I hope you rolled town for a change, because you've always rolled scum against me in our previous games together.

I've literally been wanting to play a game with town!you for like

months

.

@DoubthingThomas, you seem to find all of the above posts scummy/wolfy, even though you know I have played a lot with Auro, and with RadiantCowbells somewhat as well. Can you explain why they are such wolfy posts from your point of view?

Objective Fact Man Here.

Objective Fact 1 is that, in what world should I have known you, auro, and radiantcowbells play with each other a lot before i pointed out those posts you made were scummy?

Objective Fact 2 is that, I said I personally find talking about how "Hope XXX is a YYY alignment" is of little value for solving and I associate it with scums, a read made before i was told about your "meta"

[DoubtingThomas]

are you guys seeing this?

I literally come into thread, thread has 4 pages, I read the posts, I point out couple posts I think is scummy, and just lightly vote in a still rvs-fested situation in the game

then auro says, "volxen just posts that all the time"

i am like ok, but i can do stuff without taking your meta of another player as a scripture in the bible and still vote when nobody else is saying shit?

and then RC comes out of nowhere attacking about how i am double downing and overreactingly defending myself on my "case" on volxen (except i was clearly just going off of a couple posts, as those were the only things I had)

and how I am scummy for not givng his reads "enough respect" based on games i played with him in the past, but which is just purely an atrocious thinking because he is expecting me to blindly sheep him every game then?

and then twisting this to make it seem like i am attacking his reads for no reason? even though he was the one who mentioned how from my previous experiences with him, i should know his town game enough or something to just sheep him? i dont understand the logic of this argument at all

and then he goes onto talk about how i should stop and it's better for me to just die if i am not gonna 'cooperate' with town or whatever lol even though the past 3 pages have just been all him and auro attacking me for a 4 page read on volxen and just refusing to take in volxen's "meta" fo rthe time being because it's really early in the game

RC complains about someone saying someone has a weak presence 4 pages in in the game, but is pushing me for trying to make content over only 4 pages, it's like me just voting a single player 4 pages in in the game should be forbidden?

[DoubtingThomas]

also i am not sure what is up with RC trying to literally control people's votes so early in the game

"people shouldn't have more than 4 votes now" "don't vote him" etc

???? how will the game advance?

this is not similar to how RC played in my previous games with him, imo he's acting really strange here

VOTE: radiantcowbells

[DoubtingThomas]

@dt who do you want me to vote rn

not too sure yet, but not auro. he is my strongest town read atm

[DoubtingThomas]

VOTE: Auro

Let me guess, you rolled scum like you do in 95%+ plus of your games?

@RadiantCowbells I hope you rolled town for a change, because you've always rolled scum against me in our previous games together.

@RadiantCowbells I hope you rolled town for a change, because you've always rolled scum against me in our previous games together.

I've literally been wanting to play a game with town!you for like

months

.

@DoubthingThomas, you seem to find all of the above posts scummy/wolfy, even though you know I have played a lot with Auro, and with RadiantCowbells somewhat as well. Can you explain why they are such wolfy posts from your point of view?

Objective Fact Man Here.

Objective Fact 1 is that, in what world should I have known you, auro, and radiantcowbells play with each other a lot before i pointed out those posts you made were scummy?

Objective Fact 2 is that, I said I personally find talking about how "Hope XXX is a YYY alignment" is of little value for solving and I associate it with scums, a read made before i was told about your "meta"

And what about the possibility that it was town!me making a joke in jest towards Auro, because we play a lot together and he does, in fact, roll scum fairly often? I agree with you that such a joke doesn't help to solve the game, but it's also RVS and an early stage of the game, so I'm curious why you immediately jump to the conclusion that it's likely to be scum-indicative behavior.

my vote was also placed pretty early in the game and as you agreed, your posts "doesn't help to solve the game" so i voted you

you think just because you posted that in rvs i should be forbidden from voting you?

or does it make sense for me to vote you and start generating content?

[DoubtingThomas]

DT is wolf

omgus

[DoubtingThomas]

And there's a difference between being wrong and being belligerent and obnoxious and wrong.

Sure. When people keep telling you your read is bad your reaction shouldn't be to double down.

keep pushing me. i am just gonna wait until someone else posts something of value

I'm not voting you. I'm not pushing you. I'm telling you to stop.

3 minutes later, votes me

10 minutes later, "DT is a wolf"

purely manipulating posts. dudes not solving

[DoubtingThomas]

RC is having the scummiest agenda i've ever seen a man push in a game of mafia

[DoubtingThomas]

So again calling me out for omgussing is profoundly disconnected from.the gamestate. His reaction to posts felt profoundly disconnected to the posts themselves. Everything that he is saying does not make any contextual sense when he says it. He is a wolf playing a shitty game who thinks that if he acts like enough of a jackass he might get townread for it.

are you being daft on purpose?

you really think i, of all people, are "disconnected from the gamestate"?

oh hurr durr he used the wrong terminology he is disconnected from the gamestate

christ sake

[DoubtingThomas]

VOTE: Auro

Let me guess, you rolled scum like you do in 95%+ plus of your games?

@RadiantCowbells I hope you rolled town for a change, because you've always rolled scum against me in our previous games together.

@RadiantCowbells I hope you rolled town for a change, because you've always rolled scum against me in our previous games together.

I've literally been wanting to play a game with town!you for like

months

.

@DoubthingThomas, you seem to find all of the above posts scummy/wolfy, even though you know I have played a lot with Auro, and with RadiantCowbells somewhat as well. Can you explain why they are such wolfy posts from your point of view?

Objective Fact Man Here.

Objective Fact 1 is that, in what world should I have known you, auro, and radiantcowbells play with each other a lot before i pointed out those posts you made were scummy?

Objective Fact 2 is that, I said I personally find talking about how "Hope XXX is a YYY alignment" is of little value for solving and I associate it with scums, a read made before i was told about your "meta"

And what about the possibility that it was town!me making a joke in jest towards Auro, because we play a lot together and he does, in fact, roll scum fairly often? I agree with you that such a joke doesn't help to solve the game, but it's also RVS and an early stage of the game, so I'm curious why you immediately jump to the conclusion that it's likely to be scum-indicative behavior.

my vote was also placed pretty early in the game and as you agreed, your posts "doesn't help to solve the game" so i voted you

you think just because you posted that in rvs i should be forbidden from voting you?

or does it make sense for me to vote you and start generating content?

I agreed with you that making jokes during RVS doesn't help to solve the game, but I also don't think doing so is necessarily scum-indicative behavior either, especially during RVS. Which is why I asked you why you jumped to the conclusion that it was scummy behavior. I never said that you should be "forbidden" from voting for me.

So if I understand correctly, you are now hard scumreading RadiantCowbells, and that is because you feel that he is posting differently here compared to your last game with him?

what you think is scum-indicative, i wouldn't necessarily think the same and vice-versa. derailing game state while opportunistically trying to hop on auro i thought was scummy.

i, now, scumread RC because he is using impossible logic and expectations to make me look scummy deliberately, without any townie mindset equipped on it. he scum reads me for not "respecting his town game" and blindly sheep his town read on you here. he also has ridiculed someone else for jumping on you with me while belittling his case on you because 'only 4 pages in' but has done everything in his power to try to attack me over stuff that happened in 6 pages

he is also trying to make himself look better by pretending to 'not push me' 'not vote me' 'not scum read me' which is a lie because he has clearly pushed me for the longest time and has voted me 3 minutes after. him lying about not pushing me is so atrocious and i think he's pretending to take the stance of a "middle man" who was trying to stop me and auro engaging, but is using past games and previous meta with me to shade me.

he is also being daft on purpose by saying i am disconnected to the gamestate because i said 'omgus'

[DoubtingThomas]

I think that you're either scum or high

while it is true that i had my most lit experinece yesterday and still felt afteraffects today, in essence, you have no scum case on me but are constantly attacking me on a personal level on stuff that is not scummy. you are not explaining your reads and are constantly using futile logic to make me look bad and trying to connect that with scum

[DoubtingThomas]

A clear readslist wouldn't hurt.

Don' forget to leave out the rainbow colors, unspoilered 3 paragraph descriptions, and purely meta based reads.

@DT

And auro too, since its the wagon of the week.

it is 9 pages in and like 20% of the post is mine/about me

from the limited information, i am at somewhere like

auro

clemency

fusco/irrelephant

volxen

RC

[DoubtingThomas]

i am rc i make dumb noises when someone slam dunked me as a wolf

[DoubtingThomas]

SHG

[DoubtingThomas]

How arrogant and stupid would someone who knows my reputation and has no special talent as town have to be to talk about slam dunking me as wolf in a world where they aren't scum posturing. Anyone?

my special talent as town is being townie and you are tunneling me with a very clearly scum prone mindset

you are saying obviously anti-town shit like i should die and that's better for town.

your previous town games were much more impressive than this. this is widely different

[DoubtingThomas]

you are constantly saying dumb stuff and contradicting yourself with ' i didn't push you/vote you', 'you should have more respect to my town game and just sheep me', 'if i didn't see you scum in brides, i would scum read you'

[DoubtingThomas]

If your special talent as town is being townie and you're town here then you don't actually have a special talent. Unless being impressively stand out stupid is a talent?

keep shittalking me. your rolecard won't change, though

[DoubtingThomas]

Again this is all assuming you're town

I know Amrock likes you, I'm assuming that given that generally he has decent taste in mafia players that you're playing in bad faith as opposed to this being who you are

stop using oog information to AtE

[DoubtingThomas]

you are constantly saying dumb stuff and contradicting yourself with ' i didn't push you/vote you', 'you should have more respect to my town game and just sheep me', 'if i didn't see you scum in brides, i would scum read you'

No contradictions.

When I said that, it was true.
When I said you should respect my town game enough that when I tell you that your reason for scumreading someone is garbage, you don't double down on it, yeah, true.
The only reason I considered you as potential town ever this game is because I've already seen you game throw level perform as town. This is already several tiers below PB

no you pushed me for numerous pages. you dont just constantly interact with me to one post before voting me and pretend to not have pushed me

having respect for your town game, again, has nothing to do with this game and you were using that to try to influence my scum read on volxen. that's asinine that you think i should just sheep you because you played well as town previously

i also asked you what you thought of my first scum game against you in merchant's. were you disappointed? is it similar to here? why aren't you using all the meta you know to judge my game here?

[DoubtingThomas]

....no?

you are basically saying Amrock likes me and that's why I hope you are not town here as an excuse to push me as a scum

that's AtE

[DoubtingThomas]

....no?

you are basically saying Amrock likes me and that's why I hope you are not town here as an excuse to push me as a scum

that's AtE

I'm saying that I think that you are better than this.

believe me, you are not the first person to say this

but i think your scum read on me is really bull shit.

i will stop poisoning the thread with a thunderdome with you and try to reevaluate, as the last two times i heard someone say this they were town

wait for others to participate

ugh

[DoubtingThomas]

No I told you that you were scum or being a dumbass. That's not pushing you until I decided that you weren't being a dumbass.

and why do you think this?

[DoubtingThomas]

I'm town.

If people say it a lot to you when you're both town maybe you should stop and think about why that is and how it pertains to this game. Don't delude yourself we got mad at you for scumreading Volxen. We got mad at you for ignoring counterarguments in favor of doubling down on the read.

i have made a big progress in doing that. that's why i took lessons from amrock.

i am not eluding myself, i don't think. i wasn't reaching with volxen, and it was a very much 'he posted some questionalbe stuff, and i want to get some game content going'

"doubling down" doesn't really make sense in that situation, as it is so early in the game and i think it was odd for two people to come out someone just because "by meta, they COULD be town" you know what i am trying to say?

i am still waiting on what more volxen has to say

[DoubtingThomas]

No I told you that you were scum or being a dumbass. That's not pushing you until I decided that you weren't being a dumbass.

and why do you think this?

You accused me of omgussing when I voted you first, etc. Doesn't feel like your engaging with the thread in good faith and if this is your Ides of good faith I'm not sure how I ever correctly read you as town

that was kind of a sarcastic joke. of course i realize you 'voted' me first, but i thought it was funny that you had to say, "DT is scum" after implying that heavily and voting me for it

[DoubtingThomas]

no one is saying that he -has- to be town. both of us are saying that your scumread is bad.

you were spinning that narrative into a scum read of me, even though you have absolutely 0 respect for my reads

[DoubtingThomas]

i would like to have more respect for your general mafia playing ability than to think that you as town double down on an awful scumread then call me scum as well for disagreeing with you

i didnt double down. i was literally waiting to interact with volxen. why is any of that mean anything to you in a game 6 pages in?

[DoubtingThomas]

let me ask you this again -- you think i should have unvoted while saying, "oh thanks for letting me know volxen's meta he sure is not scum anymore this game 100%!!"

i think my take and reaction was reasonable, maybe i might have 'overdone' it with 'i dont care about meta' but the point was that at that point and with that push whose purpose was to get more reaction and content going in the game, him telling me abotu volxen's meta wasn't something that was too meaningful for me at the time

[DoubtingThomas]

let me ask you this again -- you think i should have unvoted while saying, "oh thanks for letting me know volxen's meta he sure is not scum anymore this game 100%!!"

No - but a town reaction would be to acknowledge the new information, and attempt to re-evaluate. It would've been fine to still have an early scumread given that.

i acknowledged the new info and told u i was trying to see what volxen has to say. you really want me to just take ur word that this is town!volxen 100% of the time and not even interact with him to reevalute on my own discretion?

[DoubtingThomas]

I feel like you're missing the point.

You're saying you acknowledged it, but your reaction right after I made the post didn't indicate that. What I got from your immediate reaction was a stubborn dismissal, which you now admit was overboard.

No, I think you are missing the point. First off, scums are not the only one who have a stubborn dismissal tone. Second, why in the world would town be the only people to quickly accept person B giving off of a meta info on person A? I want to decipher the game situation with my own two eyes, as well, and have the right to do so.

[DoubtingThomas]

I do not know why you continue this. You arent in the hot seat, and its gone past the point where we need it. We need others to input, and the more i think about it the more I could let auro swing.

I constnatly said I am ready to drop this when talking to RC. RC left and auro came in to question me so i answered. i have auro as town read.

don't pretend like i am the problem lol

[DoubtingThomas]

what's your read list, fus? it's time you share yours

[DoubtingThomas]

What about rc and auro and clemency

[DoubtingThomas]

i'm done sorry this game is unpleasant for my sanity.

VOTE: RC

this is pathetic

[DoubtingThomas]

VOTE: scum reading

volxen, did you have any follow up for me after asking me a lot of questions?

why this vote on scum reading?

[DoubtingThomas]

And scum!RC doesn’t risk his scum record D1 in a nightless on the off chance Irrelephant will save him

this is a really dumb thought

[DoubtingThomas]

no more replacing out in the face of shit scumreads.

are you just being nancy drew?

why are you talking about subbing in the first place

i am not sure if i should be more disappointed at town!you talking about subbing and self voting or scum!you doing this

either way that's a lot of respect for your game lost for either alignment

[DoubtingThomas]

If RC's scum, he knows with 100% certainty that I don't let him get lynched on D1 if I townread him.

i dont get it

[DoubtingThomas]

If RC's town, this game's solved, though. That wagon on him was terrible, especially on the part of DT, Clemency, and Fusco.

i would actually say fusco's unvote was >rand townie

why are you omitting wazoo?

[DoubtingThomas]

Work on your reading comprehension skills.

when will kids learn that playing the 'i am so cool so i insult people for no reason to look townie' card doesn't work anymore

[DoubtingThomas]

That wasn't an insult, DT.

work on your reading comprehension skills then. it's atrocious

[DoubtingThomas]

sorry maybe writing composition skills or something

or improving intelligence in general

[DoubtingThomas]

Why are you insulting people, DT?

sorry, that wasn't an insult

[DoubtingThomas]

Shoshin is scum

I have nothing further to say until I'm hammered.

see i can dig this

[DoubtingThomas]

And scum!RC doesn’t risk his scum record D1 in a nightless on the off chance Irrelephant will save him

this is a really dumb thought

Why

it's all some random wifom about vote stage lol

[DoubtingThomas]

I feel the same if you're town, dw

HAHA

[DoubtingThomas]

RC, stop self voting yourself lol

[DoubtingThomas]

Why are you disappointed in me, RC?

cuz ur bad

[DoubtingThomas]

Work on your reading comprehension skills.

same here

[DoubtingThomas]

I'm not scum, RC. I'm disappointed in you.

Why do you care more about RC's fate than he does?

RC's self-destructive as both alignments.

so you care because either he is your scum buddy or because he is town and you are scum who knows he is town?

why would you care about RC dying or not if he is just self voting around and not being helpful if you are town and are not sure about his alignment

[DoubtingThomas]

Why are you townreading DT, Wazoo?

because i am townie

[DoubtingThomas]

RC's the worst possible lynch on D1 in this setup.

do you want to explain or are you just gonna quack about reading comprehension again

[DoubtingThomas]

And this is pro-town behavior because?

I never said it was pro-town. I said he engages it as both alignments.

there is no point in having actively anti-town play even if they are town

[DoubtingThomas]

I get the feeling DT is trying to gamesolve and not too worried about appearing scummy doing it.

I don't see him trying to solve anything. His analysis has nothing close to the nuance a townie's would. He's actively creating a negative environment, especially with the way he's interacted with RC, the way he's interacted with Irrel, and now the way he's trying to bait me.

You didn't read the game if you think I created a negative environment by interacting with RC

[DoubtingThomas]

Literally I tell him why I am confused about a post he's made, then he creates a "negative environment" by commenting on my reading comprehension instead of being helpful.

Then he asks about why wazoo town reads me just to shade and belittle my thread contribution and also by saying i created a negative environment in the thread even though RC was for sure the first one to "interact" with me and he was the one who insulted me first instead of being helpful when i asked him a question

why is this guy actively lying?

[DoubtingThomas]

I'd also add that DT is cluttering the game with tons of pointless posts that make it harder to reread for solving purposes. He's leading a wagon on RC who's the worst possible lynch on D1. And he's blatantly playing a WIFOM-based game since he's blatantly doing the opposite of what you think scum would do, even though what he's doing is completely unnatural for a townie to do.

explain why it's unnatural for a townie to do? Explain why RC is the worst possible lynch even though he is playing anti-town and refusing to un self vote? all my posts were an answer to RC and auro bombarding questions at me, but thanks for letting me know that you aren't reading the thread, once again

[DoubtingThomas]

His analysis has nothing close to the nuance a townie's would

And he's blatantly playing a WIFOM-based game since he's blatantly doing the opposite of what you think scum would do

what he's doing is completely unnatural for a townie to do.

what are these even supposed to mean

[DoubtingThomas]

why are you blaming me for 'creating a negative environment'? if you read the thread, you see that most of my posts are pretty much directed towards RC.

you insulted my reading comprehension first. i answered irrel's question towards me.

is 'creating a negative environment' even scummy? RC creates a negative environemtn and is "self destructive as both alignment" does that make him scum too or no?

why does your scum case on me have no actual basis?

[DoubtingThomas]

RC's the worst possible lynch on D1 because he's going to be nominated. Why would we ever waste an odd-lynch on RC when we can do it on an even one? He's also the worst possible lynch on D1 because he's one of the strongest townies on this site, meaning it would be a massive windfall for the scum to lynch town him on D1 (especially since he won't have time to catch the scum for us, plus it causes his to become self-destructive), whereas saving a lynch on scum RC for D2 doesn't hurt town at all because we still have the opportunity to lynch his partners.

strongest townie on mafia scum self votes?

lol

[DoubtingThomas]

maybe scum!RC has too much respect for his scum game to be self voting and blatnatly not participating

but i think ur treatment on RC reeks of TMI nonsense

VOTE: shoshin

[DoubtingThomas]

Irrel, please join me on Shoshin.

[DoubtingThomas]

Why the neck is RD voting himself?

not sure. it's a really pathetic play

[DoubtingThomas]

hard yikes that this happens regularly

[DoubtingThomas]

It's still not very good for his win condition, though. ( whether he is scu M or not)

yes we know that's why it's a bad play.

instead of keep commenting on facts that we all know, can you share your thoughts on the game with us?

[DoubtingThomas]

how can he catch scums when all he's doing right now is self vote and saying he's just waiting to be hammered

lol

[DoubtingThomas]

wazoo seems townie

[DoubtingThomas]

or when u self vote urself

[DoubtingThomas]

And DT you were voting me long before I self voted

i am just talking about how you are a good scumhunter that doesnt work well with being fear scumread whatever also doesnt work out well with how you are self voting. doesnt matter when i voted u

i dont understand why a player of your caliber would self vote regardless of alignment. it honestly brings nothing but damage to the game state.

i scum read you for your progression/case on me/early engagement on other player who scum read volxen and i think the way you were narrating your own treatment of me was just lying. you were constantly trying to misrepresent how our interaction went about

i really dont know where i should go with this. i am thinking. maybe hoping that you won't do this as scum. but you are just being antitown if you continue to self vote and refuse to participate. it will just become +ev to kill you regardless of alignment in that case

[DoubtingThomas]

Really

It's optimal to lynch me

Ok shoshin

I didn't say it's optimal to lynch you, period. I said it's better to lynch you on D2 than D1 when we're already getting screwed by mafia.

twisted logic

[DoubtingThomas]

words don't hurt me

[DoubtingThomas]

They hurt me.

stop AtE'ing RC. I do think you are a fun player overall and really good player, at least from the quite a few games (now) that we played together.

I think you are playing differently to the past games that consisted of all town games from you here, so I pushed you. I am sorry you feel that it is dogshit, but it is my honest opinion.

Your AtE has gotten me to the point to untunnel you and push someone who is hypocritically attacking me over and over again without coming up with any valuable input into the game, though

[DoubtingThomas]

That's because you can't read, DT.

I am baffled you criticize me of creating negative environment when you are the one who first started treating me like shit

I am baffled you criticize me of making this game unfun when you literally started this shit

good for you. i wish i had your thickness

[DoubtingThomas]

policy because you insult me first and accuse me of creating a negative environment when all i've done is answer people's questions? ok son

[DoubtingThomas]

this could still be scum theater, but maybe at this point i am more comfortable lynching shoshin over rc

[DoubtingThomas]

if you think we are w/w here you should quit mafia

[DoubtingThomas]

shoshin, the game doesn't work like, "i will push your scum reads, so town read me"

[DoubtingThomas]

cuz i am a good boi

[DoubtingThomas]

shoshin, i already see that i've caught a fan on mafiascum during my very short history on this website

welcome

[DoubtingThomas]

DT have we played before??

the only place we would have played without my nickname -- doubtingthomas -- would be on mafiauniverse with my alts and i usually out them eventually in the game so i dont think so

[DoubtingThomas]

who's gustavo. i bet he's a good player

[DoubtingThomas]

i make a lot of friends. what are you talking about

[DoubtingThomas]

i get banned for insulting people who play nonsensically, but i make a lot of friends. pretty sure it wasn't that gustavo person's fault if shinny person has a history of doing that, lol

[DoubtingThomas]

is shoshin a good scumhunter as town? what did you mean by i usually sheep you, elephant

[DoubtingThomas]

But I think you know about me that I usually spend D1 finding a strong townie to sheep because I struggle to nail down scum pre-flips.

It’s why I usually am your second vote

this is what i am talking about

[DoubtingThomas]

i think your approach of the game is really weird. like hoping that a strong player A and strong player B agrees on each other being town so you can sheep them? uhm

[DoubtingThomas]

You can feel it’s weird but if it’s effective *shrug*

feel like iwould be bored of playing mafia if all i do is try to sheep others' thoughts. tbh. no offense or anything.

[DoubtingThomas]

i think your approach of the game is really weird. like hoping that a strong player A and strong player B agrees on each other being town so you can sheep them? uhm

You'd have been a better player in princess bride if you sheeped my reads as a good player instead of the shitter Wolfy's

I didn't really sheep wolfy over you. You were wrong on phighter which made me doubt independently + by that point, I didn't have the wim/effort to re-read everything and try to solve the game, especially with how scummily kitty played and (it wuld suck to lose but) was okay risking to lose if i sheep IC wolfy which also was an independent decision

[DoubtingThomas]

You can feel it’s weird but if it’s effective *shrug*

feel like iwould be bored of playing mafia if all i do is try to sheep others' thoughts. tbh. no offense or anything.

This is a bad attitude to take

believe me, this is me having a much better attitude than before after taking amrock's lessons to heart

[DoubtingThomas]

I don't see the universal clemency scum read. i kinda liked his carefree tone when dealing with RC, but i do have a natural favoritism for that kinda tone.

didn't think his jump on RC wagon was that opportunistic, at least not to warrant a universal scum read

[DoubtingThomas]

his iso is not impressive, but my scum read on shoshin is pretty strong

[DoubtingThomas]

thanks for letting others know about how i think and operate

[DoubtingThomas]

If i was scum id put all 3 scums as nomination just for lmao

[DoubtingThomas]

because he's scum, elephant

[DoubtingThomas]

i am not really pleased with the over-the-top defense of 'i thought explaining myself looks scummy' by scum reading. that kinda shit is >rand scum imo

[DoubtingThomas]

i personally liked wazoo's input. i like that RC elephand and even shoshin is getting really involved in the thread and kind of driving poe's and lynches and whatnot

but i am not there yet. i town read wazoo and dont want to lynch clemency over shoshin

[DoubtingThomas]

You are now banned from using that phrase

yomama

[DoubtingThomas]

there can be a very low chance of a mafia team being exactly RC/Irrelphant/Shoshin. In that case, they've done a fantastic job of completely controlling the thread. But I think the liklihood of that is very low, and I don't think packmate!elephant&shoshin interacts with RC like that earlier when he and I were doming each other, so I am not going to entertain that world right now.

Having that out of the way, my reads ranking is

elephant
auro
wazoo
clemency
RC/scumreading
volxen
shoshin

[DoubtingThomas]

demonlord? yeah his posting had no content. i can go there

fuscos? i thought his posting was fine but he hasn't been around. i can be convinced here.

[DoubtingThomas]

what does BoP mean

[DoubtingThomas]

also u constantly shitting on my skill doesn't hurt my feelings

[DoubtingThomas]

ok? then what you even doing

[DoubtingThomas]

are you like scared of doming me? or are you just scum trying to AtE yourself to a good position?

[DoubtingThomas]

ur town cred is depreciating fast maybe u should continue the AtE route

[DoubtingThomas]

more chance of being scum than town

[DoubtingThomas]

VOTE: radiantcowbells

[DoubtingThomas]

VOTE: radiantcowbells

Explain?

being annoying on purpose

[DoubtingThomas]

Vote Count 1.7

RadiantCowbells:

(5) DoubtingThomas, Clemenc‬y, GrandWazoo, RadiantCowbells, Fuscosco

Clemenc‬y:

(1) Irrelephant11

DoubtingThomas:

(1) Auro

Irrelephant11:

(1) Shoshin

scum reading:

(1) volxen

Not Voting:

Demonlord, scum reading

With 11 players alive, it takes 6 votes to lynch.

Day 1 deadline is in (expired on 2019-03-12 18:02:08)

Like that wagon on me is every slot I think has good equity besides demonlord

true [RadiantCowbells] slot has god damn good equity

[DoubtingThomas]

I'll say since you agreed somewhat that DT was my secret townread

[DoubtingThomas]

I'm not even rly townreading you

[DoubtingThomas]

ive hit jackpot bois

[DoubtingThomas]

sometimes my own abilities scare me

[DoubtingThomas]

RC is the lynch today

[DoubtingThomas]

shut up wolf

[DoubtingThomas]

I'll say since you agreed somewhat that DT was my secret townread

I'm not even rly townreading you

hello? like what is this shit

[DoubtingThomas]

people who are not voting RC

[DoubtingThomas]

or RC is just scum and 3 towns found him and he's melting down and constantly lyinga nd pushing scum agenda

what is more likely

[DoubtingThomas]

Almost half this thread has been RC vs. DT so I'll focus on them. There's almost no chance this is TvT. Proceeding from this premise, once you filter out the ad hom stuff RC comes off much scummier.

This seems like a town reaction:

you are constantly saying dumb stuff and contradicting yourself with ' i didn't push you/vote you', 'you should have more respect to my town game and just sheep me', 'if i didn't see you scum in brides, i would scum read you'

No contradictions.

When I said that, it was true.
When I said you should respect my town game enough that when I tell you that your reason for scumreading someone is garbage, you don't double down on it, yeah, true.
The only reason I considered you as potential town ever this game is because I've already seen you game throw level perform as town. This is already several tiers below PB

no you pushed me for numerous pages. you dont just constantly interact with me to one post before voting me and pretend to not have pushed me

having respect for your town game, again, has nothing to do with this game and you were using that to try to influence my scum read on volxen. that's asinine that you think i should just sheep you because you played well as town previously

i also asked you what you thought of my first scum game against you in merchant's. were you disappointed? is it similar to here? why aren't you using all the meta you know to judge my game here?

This does not:

The hallmark of rvs is wagons based on nothing. Defending it is . . . counterproductive?

I would prefer votes not be placed at all

And there's a difference between being wrong and being belligerent and obnoxious and wrong.

Sure. When people keep telling you your read is bad your reaction shouldn't be to double down.

keep pushing me. i am just gonna wait until someone else posts something of value

I'm not voting you. I'm not pushing you. I'm telling you to stop.

I don't think you're actually reading as opposed to just saying what reactions you think make you look townier

VOTE: doubting Thomas

Now I'm voting you

Having never played with these two (or anyone else this game for that matter), it's possible from their history that they don't like each other and that these exchanges would happen regardless of alignment. It's also possible that they're both scum, engaging in an extended choreographed drama to distract town. Unlikely, but possible.

VOTE: RadiantCowbells

ETA: sorry for the wall, my attempts to put quotes inside spoiler tags didn't work.

I agree with his post here. He also never says me/RC are S vs S. just says we are never T vT. so RC is lying again

[DoubtingThomas]

and that's in a game with two townies who have like nonexistent scum range: people were more uncertain about NSG than anon!myself. my original reputation on this site was for being unlynchable. etc.

How and when did this change for you?

but sure. blame me for being pissed off that my town game is being sandbagged by something that is literally nothing to do with my towngame itself.
if i was losing games because I was actually not towny enough, because my reads weren't good enough, because I couldn't lead lynches well enough, that's something to work on
But when I'm literally having games thrown because I'm good as scum and I can't stop it and I can't ever have a town wr as good as people worse on all of the above categories than me?

it's pretty fucked up.

Since I've never played with you, I can only go off this game. If/when I have the time I'll go read some of your past games.

Meanwhile why did you move off your DT vote to Clemency?

I mean, I get a wolfy vibe from him too and could see voting him at some point, but after pushing DT (you say you weren't but it sure looked that way to me) and voting him, you jumped off his wagon right quick.

This was the other post I liked frmo him. This is a townie thought process and question asking. Doesn't feel like, "I am scum reading clemency, but I am not gonna vote them" but more like "RC, why did you vote clemency over DT without any real reason? seems opportunistic"-like townie posting

[DoubtingThomas]

I'll say since you agreed somewhat that DT was my secret townread

I'm not even rly townreading you

hello? like what is this shit

what is this RC

[DoubtingThomas]

It's not fair that I have to try to decide whether clearly bad faith scumreads on me are town or scum every game

Bad faith? You've done some scummy shit this game my dude. Others may buy into your pity party routine, not me.

That's how I feel too.

Aww look, Harry and Sally are back together.

Fuck you, RC.

You're a massive dick sometimes.

This from the player constantly complaining about lack of decorum in this game.

Loath as I am to let RC get away with his emotionally manipulative shenanigans, his wagon's stalled. Congrats RC, you're unlynchable again...

VOTE: shoshin

@GW's 720:
1. Re: Policy lynches, Why not? I'd be against a policy lynch on RC for "being too good as scum", for example; but you could call my Clemency push an effective policy-lynch too since I can imagine his play coming from town as well (from experience).

My point was not about policy-lynches per se, but about Shoshin's hypocrisy in wanting DT modkilled.

2. "Only scum would know who's nominated" - I think this is a stretch, and she's clearly speaking in context, you're interpreting the intent of the post wrongly.

Combined with her argument "well we can always lynch RC D2" assuming RC would be nominated in the first place, is a scum mindset. As is "you know I'll defend you D1" Esp. when RC was openly and repeatedly declaring his intention to ragequit.

3. About the "if you push me I'll push you" - I brought the same point up in my push, and her rebuttal was that it was her applying a BoP to RC. While I don't like it much, can you not see this coming from town?

I didn't buy her rebuttal at all.

I keep mindmelding a lot with him. I can now see why RC thinks we are a "team" hard defending each other, but we are mindmelding like crazy so i innately town read him a lot i guess.

Maybe he is scum who is just using points I've pointed out, but he is pointing out the exact same scum poins I pointed out on RC and shoshin.

maybe I am biased, but I also see his independent thinking from the other posts he has made and questions he has been asking and the reaction he made to others pressuring him earlier on.

[DoubtingThomas]

yeah wazoo is never getting lynched today sorry scum

[DoubtingThomas]

this is what's called double down, RC. Are you gonna push me for doubling down again??

[DoubtingThomas]

I dont see a vote on me

[DoubtingThomas]

Or just scum lolezmonet

[DoubtingThomas]

Welcome to Zootopia, folks.

Right now, you are looking at a white seal lolcatting. Its name is RadianCowsbells!

[DoubtingThomas]

hi demon are you rc's partner

[DoubtingThomas]

oh ok i just checked scum chat should have let me know earlier

[DoubtingThomas]

and i said to not bus me boi come on. communication

[DoubtingThomas]

demon. that's a very fluffy way of saying you didn't read my posts

[DoubtingThomas]

read on me volxen?

[DoubtingThomas]

rc, you are on my dick way too much

[DoubtingThomas]

surprise surprise scums wagon me out of nowhere while constantly saying, "i am gonna lynch wazoo~ i am gonna lynch clemency~"

laughable

[DoubtingThomas]

RC ur scum game really took down hill, didn't it

[DoubtingThomas]

did demonlord leave after just saying that i am scum and rc is town?

[DoubtingThomas]

RC ur scum game really took down hill, didn't it

If you would like me to believe RC is scum you will have to convince me he is playing this incredibly well as scum, not that he has suddenly gotten bad at playing scum.

Who besides RC is scum

probably demon

[DoubtingThomas]

3rd can be in volxen, scum reading, fusco. perhaps shoshin in a less likely chance

[DoubtingThomas]

Who are you townreading

you, auro, and wazoo.

clemency is prob town once RC flips scum

[DoubtingThomas]

lel

once RC flips scum

prob giving him too much credit for a playstyle i like + mindmelding with me on you so i dont want to confidently say he is a town read yet

[DoubtingThomas]

RC, I await your case on me

[DoubtingThomas]

why did you say i was your secret town read and then 30 minutes later say i am not even your town read?

why did you constantly try to 'compromise' with irrel and shoshin 'town core' about clemency or wazoo and then come to the conclusion on me?

[DoubtingThomas]

What about Clemency is supposed to be towny for those of us who don’t mind meld with him
Same question re:wazoo

i literally just said i think clemency's carefree tone was what probably makes me give him too much town cred aside from the mindmeld.

i already answered the bit about wazoo? he has been asking genuine townie thought provoking questions while handling pressure well. i scraped specific posts

[DoubtingThomas]

RC pissing around the bush trying to shade me while putting 0 input into actually casing me

feels good about my vote

[DoubtingThomas]

RC I know you are a mentally weak person, but words dont hurt me so why don't you actually scum case me and play the game instead of just shitting in the thread yelling that i am scum while keep insulting my play

[DoubtingThomas]

Don't get baited into casing DT. He just wants to clutter the game with a pointless back-and-forth.

what an amazing way to play the game. i admire you

[DoubtingThomas]

what

[DoubtingThomas]

RC I know you are a mentally weak person,

This is gross.

i am referring to the bit where he said "words hurt me" in this thread

[DoubtingThomas]

Do you think Wazoo's been coached on how to behave?

what is the point of asking this question

[DoubtingThomas]

Hey DT, you're not going to get RC lynched today so why don't you vote someone else?

VOTE: shoshin

[DoubtingThomas]

shoshin you want to talk about stuff with me?

[DoubtingThomas]

guess not

[DoubtingThomas]

we are not lynching wazoo

[DoubtingThomas]

I'll talk about the game with you, DT, if you assume I'm town during our discussions.

ok. but you have to assume i am town too

[DoubtingThomas]

RC stop talking to me

[DoubtingThomas]

stfu

[DoubtingThomas]

shoshin why is fusco scum

[DoubtingThomas]

i thought we are having a conversation?

[DoubtingThomas]

i mean slips can 'look' fake for all you care, but like that can't be the sole reason that someone is scum lol

[DoubtingThomas]

Hey DT, you're not going to get RC lynched today so why don't you vote someone else?

RC's clearly not an easy mislynch tho i thought

[DoubtingThomas]

feels like only half the people play this game