Fire on the Mountain [Over]

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Hello

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Days are not actually 2 hours right?

could've sworn i fixed that. it's fixed now.

-nsg

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No one is here. Guess VOTE: mcqueen

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Hello everyone \o/

@NSG can you prod DDL please?

Prod dodge

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Why does everyone say they're not good at being mafia. Like if no one is good at being mafia then town wins 100 percent and obv that's not true

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being bad at mafia doesn't mean you are not an even worse town who feeds free win for mafia

Ah fuk why do you have to personally attack me?

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Reported to the mod

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I'll try to be more serious tonight. Maybe I should have asked for a words per post limit rather than a post per day limit

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VOTE: xtoxm

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god i dont want to add gasoline to the flame but eddie cane once self voted (a couple of times) very effectively and led town to a very difficult win

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I think shoshin is town. I think EE is town. I think DT is scum. His engagement in this line of fire is a bit over the top angry.

But my day 1 reads are typically awful so.

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ddl i assume you thought something in my rqs post was scum indicitive
id be midly interested in hearing about that whenever you turn up

oh i have to respond to this.

i found it kind of weird that you entered with just a response on the rqs, rather than commenting anything about the game state.

reads to me like you caught up, but you didn't want to comment anything to standout (cause it is a 14-3 game after all) , so responding to rqs like everyone else is a good way to fit in.

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i would agree with that thought. although im also in the camp of there's nothing wrong with a good self-voting

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what exactly do you mean by policy lynch
i think policy lynching is pretty fair in some scenarios
like if you caught someone in a role lie
or someone is making exclusively non game related posts

xtoxm that first quote in your sig. was that your scum game or town game?

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I'm a big fan of your poems

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Kinda weird so many people see xtoxm as strong town. Does that mean I have to re evaluate my reads?

I think Buj can also be scum tbh

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I'd rather away from DT but I'll lynch DT over Shoshin.

Well theres 15 other people you can park your vote on.

Actually 14 cause dont self vote I dont want another 10 pages of temper

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So I pick a vote out if vanity and just let Shoshin get lynched for bad reasoning?

i think it's too early to say the lynch is between shoshin and dt?

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Bujabber and Xtoxm, by revealed preference, I guess

"You know as much as a I do that a lynch can come out of no where. "

Yeah and that's I think exactly the reason why you shouldnt vote people you don't want to lynch, I think!

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talk about what?

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VOTE: Buj

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So uh
Why aren’t we punishing the person who tried to commit way too hard to lynching someone based on self-voting?
Why does town produce that overaction when trying to lynch what is the most obvious town slot in the game currently?

Because NerfedBuj is more likely to flip scum than DT imo

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Does this read as awkward and forced to anyone else?

It's only forced if you think that theres scum in DT vs shoshin and Vedith is trying to force a wagon elsewhere. Is that the case?

Otherwise I dont see what it is "forcing" to do

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Why isn't it just "I think I can get town points for calling myself town after having this weird awkward engagement with another player"

Feels farfetched? I dont see it getting any town points either

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wow
This was so enlightening
This told me everything I needed to know

I'm just answering your q.

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Mod Are you using autovotecounter? How accurate does to vote names have to be

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Not reading and making wild accusations is pretty scummy, EE

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Your play reminds me of Oka Poka scum play

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But I'd still lynch buj over you right now

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But I'd still lynch buj over you right now

This isn't a town post

you're just mad I called you scum.

anyhow you asked me where you are not reading and making wild accusations.

I noted your case on Vedith included a post-by-post why its scum. One of the post as Vedith called out was completely irrelevant and a joke between him and me, and was posted less than 24hr in a game. This feels more like scum tunnel, where scum bite down into a mislynch and then go back to look for supporting evidence no matter how relevant, rather than looking for scummy clues to identify scum.

At least that reminds me of something I do that when I'm scum so.

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I do not oppose Buj pressure.

I endorse PVT pressure.

I haven't had enough time to look over EE, and I probably won't do so today. I am outright admitting that his accusation of responding back without really considering his argument is true though, FWIW.

pvt hasnt posted in 2 days. is it worth it put pressure on someone who isnt even here?

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I'm not saying his reads are perfect but they're more accurate than people give him credit for and they're definitely more thoughtful than this.

^ This. + Buj's first couple of post are "thoughtful" discussions of largely irrelevant topics to scumhunting that he isn't really even a part of

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DDL please explain to me what you think RVS is.

time where people make memes and have fun before the game gets heated

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hey rei as a poetry expert can u evaluate my poem for me

twiddle twiddle twiddle i like to play my fiddle
twiddle twiddle twiddle my thumb i always i diddle
twiddle twiddle twiddle you can solve my riddle
twiddle twiddle twiddle what tastes good with mcgriddle

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wait in your spoilers you dont have any scum reads? or even lean scum reads? :/

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p o e is fine but having abs no one that pings you negatively after 37 pages is a bit strange that's all

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Is this entire game just shitposting

in your opinion, does scum shitpost more or town?

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I noted your case on Vedith included a post-by-post why its scum. One of the post as Vedith called out was completely irrelevant and a joke between him and me, and was posted less than 24hr in a game. This feels more like scum tunnel, where scum bite down into a mislynch and then go back to look for supporting evidence no matter how relevant, rather than looking for scummy clues to identify scum.

EE, what's your thoughts on this? Figured it deserves at least a one line comment

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Scum Dann. Sup you again?

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Grapes wagon is just eh.

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Grapes wagon is just eh.

Is your problem with it Grapes or the people voting Grapes?

Grapes. Like hes not obv town but there are much better lunches in the horizon. Plus the speed that the wagon developed smells a bit opportunistic, like people wanting off attn on Buj

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If player X is scum and player Y is scum, then getting offended by a partner would not translate to an immediate vote because it's game throwing, and more importantly player Y would not feel the need to apologize and replace out because his partner got offended and voted him. Regardless of whether you agree or not, I think it's pretty obvious that wasn't SvS.

Sorry remind me of what the analogy refers to again? What's the car theft situation?

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like 70 percent, Rei

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My logic was called dum so let me explain but I'll be using a stealing analogy.

Say that X is a player in this game who has had his car stolen.

Player Y uses an analogy involving car theft to make a point.

Player X gets offended and votes player Y.

If player X is scum and player Y is town, then using the real life victimness as a tool to rally votes on Y makes X a huge asshole.

If player X is scum and player Y is scum, then getting offended by a partner would not translate to an immediate vote because it's game throwing, and more importantly player Y would not feel the need to apologize and replace out because his partner got offended and voted him. Regardless of whether you agree or not, I think it's pretty obvious that wasn't SvS.

Therefore since scum!X would not vote for Y regardless of Y's alignment, unless X is a huge asshole, and I don't think anyone is that big of an asshole, Prince must be town.

yeah i read that part. So you have X = DT/Ephraim. Y = Shoshin. I agree that it's not S v S. Although I don't see the logic here why its not S v T. scum!DT is frustrated by Shoshin scum reading him for garbage reasoning and makes the unsavory comparison.

Your X and Y doesn't make any sense here. X=DT is the one that makes the analogy, Y is offended. No one is using the point to rally votes on anybody, people are just mad cause that was uncalled for.

I think again you're making crap cases on crap situations instead. Commenting rather than giving analysis, and you are scum.

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Spoiler: Cha-ching, v3

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Sorted Town
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DoubtingThomas
Jingle
Extrapolated Eagle
Vedith
Karmeleon
DrDolittle
PvtUrist (PoR)
NerfedBuJ
mcqueen
Alisae
Xtoxm
Lycanfire

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Leftovers
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Clemency
Gamma Emerald
grapes
Shoshin

I'm not too offended by the readlist. Are the town chaching ordered or nah

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i highlighted Buj's posts from page 1 - 10.
Please tell me why these are town posts. I can't see anything here that is remotely alignment inidcative.

Hello

I've never played with most of you.

VOTE: Alisae
First person on the list I haven't played with.

1. Comfortable as town. Nervous as scum

2. Good at: Game solving.
Bad at: Conforming to other peoples' expectations and not getting stressed out by not getting people to see my POV.

3. Scum hunting as town, messing with associatives as scum.

4. The site should not tolerate anti-town behavior, troll accounts also should not be allowed.

5. I have very limited experience with lycanfire, shoshin, DT, Clemency, DrD, vedith, mcqueen. I know Gamma a bit more. I'm excited because this game will decide if I want to continue playing forum mafia or end up just modding/spectating. I come here to relax. I failed at doing that while playing normally for 30 or so games so now I'm trying a different playstyle.

Things are done for a reason thats how we get out of RVS. We only take about what happens on these pages on these pages. These pages are actually very insignificant in the whole grand scheme of things. You aren't going to be refer to be basing things on page 1 to get a read on someone on page 50 or higher or whatever. You're just not.

however, if you're really looking forward to the game and you rand villager, its likely that your behavoir makes sense, so it comes out as awkward and trying to force a start of the game when simply put one doesn't exist. Because you're trying to force the game to start quicker, it looks awkward, therefore this interaction happens.

So ur probably just town tbh but I'll re-evaluate tomorrow just to be sure

Do you not think that town and scum post differently in RVS?

And if they do, can't we use this to build cases?

I agree that it becomes less and less important as the game goes on, but a lot of times one or more scum can be caught in RVS alone.

@DT - I thought there was some old game but it looks like our only game together is Jingle's Townsquare.

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@buj. I get your analogy now. Sorry for calling it crap I just didnt understand it previously, but now I think I agree with it, although not to 100 percent certainty.

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Hmm turns out you guys are good at league of legends

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Anyways I'm voting from folks off the grapes wagon today. Hammer came too fast and I think scum could possibly hope for wiggling out of getting grapes lynched

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dann you're an eager beaver. I haven't had time to really read since daybreak. just offering some thoughts. I do think scum is off the wagon tho. My scum read on Buj is faded. I don't really see why my primary suspect is gamma? Did I say it was? Is it cause gamma = intersection(not on grapes wagon, scum from rei)?

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Ok. yeah I should do some work for this game
Vedith(90) mcqueen(22) Xtoxm(21) Gamma Emerald(18), Dannflor(155), Karmeleon(33)
these are the 6 people that I should be considering

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out of these, I don't think its gamma - he just hasn't been online to push for an alternate wagon. I don't think its Kameleon. That teletubby gif is not a scum post. I don't think its Dann. Replacing in he would have had a higher urgency to move to either bus or rile up a counterwagon.

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Leaving Vedith, mcqueen, and Xtoxm. I rank them Vedith > Xtoxm > mcqueen in that order, but I do need to figure things out more. Ok sorry that's all the time I can put in today

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tbh, If I were not be, I'd probably be pushing me right now.

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I want to talk about Vedith and have people convince me he is town

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It seems like he's the one of the highest variance read person?

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VOTE: xtoxm

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Out of my three guys one of them isnt even playing the game

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No I said i think theres one scum there, not that's my only scum candidates...

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All right Mr smartypants good at mafia guy why dont you give me something good so I can sheep then.

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@ee you right on 1625

VOTE: Vedith

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Are we talking about how great nsg is?

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Tbf I like pR case on shoshin

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let me get this straight cause my reading comprehensive of big posts is bad. people right now (ali and pr i guess) are pushing for a shoshin/jingle solve, right? like they are not independently scum? or are they also that

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because of the mechanism of the game, lylo-s are weird this game. The asserting "shouldn't be allowed to live till lylo" needs to be taken more seriously.

@mod v/la 3 days till I sort my life out

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VOTE: shoshin

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ActuallyUNVOTE:

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Im a fire hydrant, apparently. Whats the deal with all the love?

I'm interested to hear you out. Anything you say I promise to read

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Hello Vedith. Im em sheeping dead shoshin s reads for today

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VOTE: Jingle

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You should vote jingle. Shoshin is pretty good at this game and I can sheep her knowing shes town

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It's the mechanically correct play if unless you think your reads are better than shoshin. Plus with the mechanics of the game, theres no additional information from night anyhow

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Oh rly huh. I actually didnt read why she voted jingle I just voted I think who ever she voted last.

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I'd be down tbh. I kinda town read clemency so lycan?

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I might be tired but doesnt "Making the argument that it's worth lynching me even if I'm town isn't ever something that town Jingle says about me."
Mean she thinks jingle is not town

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i think that my reads are better than shoshins.
i also think that reiuji's reads are better than shoshins
i don't think that of anyone else in this game.

Might be true might be false but you haven't flipped yet so irrelevant

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Why did I think you were town again?

Probably cause I'm good looking

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Interesting. While I agree calling for info lynch is null, maybe Jingle calling for info lynch is not null? Idk. I need to read the thread from that time tbh

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This game is not a game scum can be indifferent in . 3 v 14 is super tough and clemency is not invested at all

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Rei how do you lit remember every detail that has happened

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Oh LOL I like you

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Actually I'm just gonna take your word for it. Pretty unlikely both of you are scum trying to blackball me

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VOTE: Lycan

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Actually I'll still give it a read tomorrow. Feeling kinda funny about this

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My honestly thoughts are I probably should not have played in this game. 17 people is way out of my range and I cant keep track of everyone. The fact that only 1 person is dying per day is not really helping.

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He actually flaked, considering he's being replaced.
That is very different from not being invested.

He lasted a couple of weeks before flaking tho

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Also DDL defending clemency is stupid. He has flaked and repped out as scum before.

Can I get evidence on this?

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viewtopic.php?f=51&t=78448

I want to say these two scenarios are factually different. But there's more similarities than I'd like to admit. Is there town games where clemency also behaves as such?

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im not shading PoR's reads. i'm just saying that's the reason i trust shoshin's reads more.

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I dont want DDL votes tbh

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Cause I'm town

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Dont prese x cause I'm town.

More to the point why do you think its glacial? Asking yourself to be voted is no better than the discussion shoshins self vote generated

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EE not sure your point? But glad you are on Ddl town train

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Scums less likely to make this post abt a town slot

Actually clemency hasn't flipped so I'm not sure if it's a town slot

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REI is not scum Maxwell try again. Good effort tho

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Oh lololol

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Just doesnt seem very scummy. Im not getting hard town vibes, but i dont think hed repeat “im town” over and overas he has been if he werescum tbh. Just seemslike a cop out when i expect more from him.

On the contrary, literally everything I see coming from him is caring how he is percieved. Comparitively, ZoidsBoy seems to not give a shit how he's perceived, if you'd like to see what town not really doing anything looks like.

His push on me 'because Shoshin said so' seems like the most lazily veiled OMGUS of all time on someone who is demonstrably not efforting. Comparitively, Alisae is putting real energy into pushing eir scumread on me. E actually gives a fuck about eir reads, and there's clear thought going into it.

Ok I'm fine with you saying I care about how I'm perceieved that's objective

But who am I omgus ing? Is it you? Cause I unvoted you real fast when REI says I misunderstood shoshin. And I'm not even sure you scumread me in day2? Like I said 17 player is a lot to keep track of.

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She has a cute avi and is very much aware of what's going on with the game. Plus her grapes vote was good

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i fooled him in LNT and his suspicion of me here just kinda feels genuine
i think both scum are in
liger,

rei

, dann,

jingle

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ddl

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prince

Try again, but this time without the obvtown.

helped you out. game solved.

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i actually really like my anka scum read

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guys lets have some conviction and consolidate on a lynch.

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this game is getting quagmired imo, and the enviroment feels borderline apathy (or maybe it's just me)

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i want to vote alisae to save the mod from finding yet another replacement, but that slot is probs town.

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Here's roughly where I am at:

Town
Dannflor replaced DoubtingThomas
Reiuji Utsuho
Xtoxm *
Karmeleon *
NerfedBuJ
Extrapolated Eagle
Alisae

Null
Prince of Renais replaced PvtUrist
mcqueen
MaxwellPuckett replaced Clemency *
Liger_Zero replaced Gamma Emerald **

Scummy
Jingle replaced Frozen Angel
Vedith
Ankamius replaced Lycanfire *

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Actually flip jingle and vedith

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I don't even feel that strongly about anka - it's purely a shoshin sheep.

I really don't think scum is holed up in my town reads, but I'm a tad nervous about my null reads since a lot of slots there lack information

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iso-ing karmeleon i thought i'd feel worse about him, but i don't. iso'ing anka i thought i'd feel better about her, and i didn't either. i'm happy with where my vote is and y'all should come join

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Why am I not a townread?

Not sure. These reads are based on what I remember in thread, and I didn't recall anything particularly standout town you did. could be just that I missed some pages or forgot.

re: vedith wagon. i can do that but i prefer it happens when vedith comes back into thread

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fine its cause i like vedith and I don't want him to have a hard time even if he might be scum ok :<

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I know you said not 100 percent here but what made you lose the townread?

you are right - I forgot about your little case. PoR should be likely town.

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I thought we agreed on that xtoxm is town because of the whole grapes interaction (outlined below)...

re; https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p10785600

Alisae it feels a bit early for you give up trying to read me altogether?
I understand that grapes are inanimate objects but I am not.
Why the blind faith in xtom?

Cuz now that it's relevant and I'm thinking about it the couple games I've played with him was him-scum me-town... and gameboy advance mafia where he

lead a mislynch

on me...

VOTE: xtoxm

From GBA mafia:

idk about grapes. he's doing all the right things. refusing to claim though.

if he's scum he's good at fake towning.

anyway sorry grapes if you were town but it all points at you.

we have a fair amount circumstantial evidence for fire + knuckles being town. strong evidence for everyone else being town. i'm pretty much a counterclaim to you and town seems kinda OP if you're real.

grapes (4): Firebringer, Knuckles, Davsto,

Xtoxm

[LYNCH!]
Davsto (1) grapes
Not Voting: Vedith, Aj The Epic

With 7 votes, 4 to lynch

I don't know how in your world a hammer vote equates to leading a mislynch.

I don't know how in your world a hammer vote equates to leading a mislynch.

Gonna be honest here I was going from memory and forgot I was a utility lynch (maybe because to this day I still don't really understand why it happened :p)

but after going through your iso there you never really came around to town-reading me (matter of fact you thought I was scum most of the game) until i started viciously flailing about to get lynched as a cop mad close to EG (and even then you ultimately ended up voting me so even there I'm being too forgiving)


So... why exactly do you think you can read me?

i was going from memory too
i did think you looked very townie
lynched you in the end for role reasons
it gives me a baseline of what you are capable of as town
the 3 post thing was also entirely sarcastic if that wasnt obvious

hi jingle

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why r u here then

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make memes and tunnel people duh

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Ank not scum with DDL.

i told you im not scum period

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you caught me rei

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i knew it if i kept repeating im not scum people would believe me.

jingle why should i follow you on dann flor

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all the way from page 50?

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ok jingle you may be town

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oh wait you have a case on me on the previous page i missed. maybe you can be scum again

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why are my reads fake

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well youre wrong. like if im going to fake something id fake it better than 3064

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VOTE: vedith

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UNVOTE:

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Starting to get disinterested in this. We gonna get everyone on a wagon or something?

liger you still want vedith

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give me a quick case on what's wrong with Dannflor, RAS

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DrD is there a reason you were much more agressive and generally more emotional in that town game we won compared to this game, or is it just when I personally push you all of that comes out?

Like I've been ignoring that the entire game and trying to look at your posts objectively and I want you to tell me why I'm not wrong to townread you despite that.

please read this game and tell me how to be emotional

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give me a quick case on what's wrong with Dannflor, RAS

I only skimmed through some ISO's but both you and him are 2 people that stood out to me as great lynches today. I'm going to be changing my vote because I dislike how passive and distant you've been, and how you ignored what I said in my previous posts completely despite it looking like you faked a comment on purpose. You knew Jingle had a "case" on you, and you acted like he didn't for a second. When I brought it up, you ignored it and responded to other things instead. It was obvious that you knew since you acknowledged it, it's not something you can just forget.

I ISO'd Dannflor quickly this morning before I placed my vote and I felt like he was fillering and playing abnormally passive in a few of his later posts, but I just went through it again, and I'm not getting that vibe anymore. I don't feel like my vote on him was that great, and I'm more comfortable voting you since I've actually had the chance to interact with you, and I haven't been liking the way you've been acting ever since I've joined the game.

VOTE: DDL.

mmm

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i want to omgus but im committed to wagon building VOTE: anka

Self vote, get into an argument, and replace out.

oof

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I thought we agreed on that xtoxm is town because of the whole grapes interaction (outlined below)...

re; https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p10785600

Alisae it feels a bit early for you give up trying to read me altogether?
I understand that grapes are inanimate objects but I am not.
Why the blind faith in xtom?

Cuz now that it's relevant and I'm thinking about it the couple games I've played with him was him-scum me-town... and gameboy advance mafia where he

lead a mislynch

on me...

VOTE: xtoxm

From GBA mafia:

idk about grapes. he's doing all the right things. refusing to claim though.

if he's scum he's good at fake towning.

anyway sorry grapes if you were town but it all points at you.

we have a fair amount circumstantial evidence for fire + knuckles being town. strong evidence for everyone else being town. i'm pretty much a counterclaim to you and town seems kinda OP if you're real.

grapes (4): Firebringer, Knuckles, Davsto,

Xtoxm

[LYNCH!]
Davsto (1) grapes
Not Voting: Vedith, Aj The Epic

With 7 votes, 4 to lynch

I don't know how in your world a hammer vote equates to leading a mislynch.

I don't know how in your world a hammer vote equates to leading a mislynch.

Gonna be honest here I was going from memory and forgot I was a utility lynch (maybe because to this day I still don't really understand why it happened :p)

but after going through your iso there you never really came around to town-reading me (matter of fact you thought I was scum most of the game) until i started viciously flailing about to get lynched as a cop mad close to EG (and even then you ultimately ended up voting me so even there I'm being too forgiving)


So... why exactly do you think you can read me?

i was going from memory too
i did think you looked very townie
lynched you in the end for role reasons
it gives me a baseline of what you are capable of as town
the 3 post thing was also entirely sarcastic if that wasnt obvious

hi jingle

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Btw DDL/xtoxm has a lot of equity

in terms of the equity value is the sum greater than the parts?

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idk i was scumreading xtoxm and someone cited that and i thought it made sense, and since xtox hasnt posted anything significant since i guess that read stayed. do you think its no longer valid?

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maybe i should self vote get into an emotional arguement and replace out huh

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i wanted to say something but i forgot

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Lurking and trying to hide makes me think he's hoping to get to night and ignite me and hope the pressure goes away

oh i remember now
I thought igniting is available anytime, PoR

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Three times only during the game, in addition to dousing a player, the Arsonists may ignite, killing all previously doused players.

@por quoting from the rules page... during the game, not at night right?

maybe ask for a mod clarification

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oh i guess you are right - that dousing happens during the night, so igniting also must happen during the night. move along folks

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dang this game just feels even less exciting with the lack of a 5 person day kill

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i might try to effort tonight

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lol all you people thinking im trying to fake things im really not

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i do like making a show of stuff tbh tho

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me

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ur wrong

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i told you it said during the game on first glance

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The dousing thing is sorta whatever I kinda buy his explanation tho it doesnt look like tryna townslip it just looks like a dumb mistake

look if you believe i made a dumb mistake then im town. if you think im faking it then im scum. if you cant tell whether im faking it, then its null.

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I went back and looked at this cause I initially looked at the sample when this was first brought up, but DDL was quoting the line in the rules. The rules and the sample have different wording for it. Funnily enough, DDL picked the one that helped benefited his initial comments regarding dousing/igniting the most.

tell me when you are learning how to play the game. do you look at the rules or the character cards?

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Like yeah i agree its weird and it doesnt help that dolittles missing a bunch of shit but i dont see the point in scum choosing to fake any of the shit you say hes faking
Like when jingle shoved the thing in his face dolittle responded to it
I dont think his postings all that strong here but its not rly scummy

Fair enough. While I don't think there's any benefiting factor behind the things I'm claiming DDL has faked, the posts themselves are alarming. DDL has been responding to very select posts of mine, and coincidentally enough it's all of the posts where I'm not accusing him that he's responding to. He never gives me anything to work with, other than "I would fake better than that"--which doesn't mean anything.

To respond to your awfully formatted post: DDL saw the post in Post 3059. The "i knew it if i kept repeating im not scum people would believe me" comment proves that since it was right after Jingle's unvote in Post 3058. There's nothing else that this could be referring to. I don't buy that he completely forgot that Jingle had a case on him in the previous page simply 5 posts (Post 3064) after saying that.

you're posts are not very good and i don't feel like responding. and besides, maxwell responded pretty much what i wanted to say anyways

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fuck there are so many players in the game i cant keep track of reads. I forgot I had Vedith as town midway into day 2 because Vedith-scum has no reason to hard defend shoshin.

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Jingle engage me here, why is Anka and mcqueen green for you

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@Liger - Vedith scum tries really hard. I don't quite think he's scum here?

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^ Like I presume one of the reasons Ved is getting scumread is because he's barely putting in anything and coasting by, and I'm just saying that's more town indicative of him, I think. Evidence for example Mini 2057

I have some thoughts on Dannflor, but I'll wait till his catchup post tonight

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ugh DT read town to me cause scum-DT replacing out that scenario would be an extremely bitchy move after provoking shoshin and getting rebuffed. But I guess I don't recall Dannflor doing anything entering the game that makes me think oh gee that slot is town.

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Could Maxwell be town? I don't see scum!maxwell defending me for any reason. At most he can take a very neutral stance and not comment.
But I guess I am easily pocketed. Still that could be a mild town read rn

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Moving things round a bit... This time I think ordered reads

Town
Reiuji Utsuho
Extrapolated Eagle
Karmeleon *
Prince of Renais replaced PvtUrist
Xtoxm *
NerfedBuJ
MaxwellPuckett replaced Clemency *


Null
Vedith
Liger_Zero replaced Gamma Emerald **
Alisae RAS
mcqueen

Scummy
Jingle replaced Frozen Angel
Ankamius replaced Lycanfire *

???
Dannflor replaced DoubtingThomas

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No. I see absolutely no reason town would be more likely to make that mistake than scum. The mistake itself is NAI.

Jingle
You think scum doesn't know their own dousing mechanic, and if they are unsure
they wouldnt ask mod that the first thing?

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Why are you not interested in either of the not you options I'm okay with?

I think xtoxm is town. I outlined why I thought DT was town, but Dann's play has given me hesitations.

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mcqueen is town because he's an outsource read and no one has given a reason to lynch him. People have danced around saying 'well maybe' but there's been no actual reason.

Ank has been syncing up on a couple thoughts and her interactions with EE feel like town ank.

Why does that make mcqueen green town rather than yellow null.

Highlight to me where Ank's been making good thoughts. Is it purely based on her agreement with you that Dann is scum?

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If no one has scum cased me why has there had to be this much dialogue over my play? If I was anyone else, would this be happening?

whos your main por? I feel left out as the only one not knowing

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read dann flor's read list and tell me what you think

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maybe its conditional on a day 1 scum lynch

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i'm going to take EE's read on Anka as is. I think there's scum in Vedith/Buj. Leaning more on vedith.
VOTE: Vedith

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UNVOTE:

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where's your rainbow reads bud?

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question: is there anybody in the game that disagrees these people are town?

Prince
Reiuji
Karmeleon
Eagle

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there are votes on ank.

Oh right PoR is not consensus due to Xtoxm

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VOTE: liger

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RAS if you think Vedith is town, Buj's scum chances greatly rises.

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o/ Vedith

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I think Dann is trying to pocket me, but I really like Dann too

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VOTE: buj, i guess

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you can try again tomorrow ras

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liger. town is scattered as shit. we need to consolidate on something.

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There's nothing worse than an apathy scattered no lynch, and this game is damn close going to be like this if it keeps going on

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You aren't helping by just pushing random pushes without thinking about them.

ok, here's what i'm thinking: Buj is an all right push and a candidate for a late game deep mafia. I like it more than xtoxm and max, and indifferent between that and you

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why are you looking at buj's meta? his whole thing is that he's going to not play as meta

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i know i voted him yesterday, but im eh on liger.

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also not sure about ending the day so early.

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but like so many people are voting for him, that not everyone can be scum there right

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VOTE: Vedith

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VOTE: Vedith

Why is Vedith scum?

i think there's high chance one of buj/vedith is scum, as buj was a small counterwagon to grapes. buj flipped green.

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@rei i got 11 days to join you. im sure i will eventually when no one wants my wagons

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I went over this already but you can look at the VCs yourself. The Buj wagon existed prior to the grapes wagon.

sure. but doesn't mean its not a counter?

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scum pushes A, then town starts pushing the right person in B is perfectly reasonable

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hmm. yeah i just went back to nsg's vote counts and clemency (Max) or lycan (Anka)'s slot looks a lot worse than Ved

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I know! and I did say that im a third party, id be voting me rn

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im grossed out at the blantant display of ego...
but also intrigued at the opportunity to do nothing again this day

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VOTE: maxwell

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here's me dancing around center stage.

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hello im here

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wanna do some an actual thing?

lets dance

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I don't know lol

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gun to my head anka and maxwell

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vedith | RAS | jingle possible but less so

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gun to my head anka and maxwell

You mean my list?

meh I had these reads long before you came in.

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everyone tells me I'm wrong on Anka tho

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you replaced in like 20 minutes ago dude

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i mean he's not right? he even said that list was shoddy

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is there anything else anyone wants to talka bout

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ok lets talk about my reads

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Clemency tries to push shoshin as his only activity and that's pretty scummy. I was fooled earlier by his Jake Peralta image, but no more. I thought the endphase of Maxwell vs Liger, Liger definitely looked more town. Also Maxwell didn't want to take too hard of a stance on me, and that's pretty scummy.

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RAS was pretty mean to me. He comes in all gung-ho, but that evaporates as soon as he sees that I couldn't be mislynched that day. Now it could be that he's a forceful player, but what happened was he just went on whatever wagon was the biggest, and that doesn't seem like the type of play with that sort of entrance

4905's big letters also kind of helped.